Post by: ab56452001 on August 10, 2021, 11:13:59 AM
Post by: xcvator on August 10, 2021, 11:30:48 AM
Post by: Bird on August 10, 2021, 11:43:31 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-10/violent-assault-that-led-to-kimberley-fatality/100357514 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-10/violent-assault-that-led-to-kimberley-fatality/100357514)
But they had barely set up when they were confronted by seven teenagers and children demanding their car keys. They say some of the teens were physically much larger than them.
Unable to locate their keys immediately, the teens' demands turned violent with a metal chair used as a weapon.
"I remember the chair coming up and towards my face and then I blanked out," one of the women said.
"The attacker must have gone for my side as I woke up with bruising on my side."
The other woman has a scarred upper lip from where she was hit in the face with the chair.
"My jaw got quite bruised and my mouth got all quite cut up and my teeth are still quite wobbly," she said.
No one came to help
The women said that despite being surrounded by caravans, and it only being shortly after 9:00pm, their screams went unanswered.
"We began screaming for help, and then I think we both hit a point where we were screaming and we realised no one was coming," one woman said.
or
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-13/truck-rock-attacks/100288080 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-13/truck-rock-attacks/100288080)
Post by: Pete79 on August 10, 2021, 12:19:06 PM
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No one came to help
The women said that despite being surrounded by caravans, and it only being shortly after 9:00pm, their screams went unanswered.
That’s the worst bit.
I can’t believe not a single person did anything to help those girls.
Says a lot about today’s society. :(
Post by: ab56452001 on August 10, 2021, 12:57:21 PM
Post by: Bird on August 10, 2021, 02:21:09 PM
Quote from: Pete79
I can’t believe not a single person did anything to help those girls.
Says a lot about today’s society. :(
While I agree, most are probably wrinkly grey nomads... I'd be thinking twice about jumping into a pack of several scum who have no fear of the law as they know nothing will happen to them even if they beat you into a coma infront of your family and probably jump in and beat your missus just for giggles too and then rob you and your van.
YMMV
Post by: jclures on August 10, 2021, 02:44:04 PM
Nothing has changed, this will be the second generation of no gooders.
Post by: xcvator on August 10, 2021, 03:03:24 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-10/nt-education-union-umbakumba-violence-government-relocate-staff/100362504 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-10/nt-education-union-umbakumba-violence-government-relocate-staff/100362504)
Post by: Bird on August 10, 2021, 03:16:56 PM
And another 1, maybe the cat would teach them some respect, it did for O'mealleyWTF
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-10/nt-education-union-umbakumba-violence-government-relocate-staff/100362504 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-10/nt-education-union-umbakumba-violence-government-relocate-staff/100362504)
"Teaching staff [are] repeatedly the victim of break-ins, often during the middle of the night, by intruders wielding machetes and axes," AEU NT branch president Jarvis Ryan said.
"They have damaged school buildings and vehicles, often leaving behind large weapons."
"A small number of children under the age of 11 have been identified as being principally responsible for the behaviours and police are working with their families and other authorities to address these behaviours," he said.
Post by: bmwfreak on August 10, 2021, 03:43:34 PM
Post by: edz on August 10, 2021, 04:38:52 PM
That’s the worst bit.
I can’t believe not a single person did anything to help those girls.
Says a lot about today’s society. :(
I Can understand it .. Been plenty of good sumaritans that have met their death or ended up life long injured .. with little or no compensation / justice through the legal system ...
Example : Just the other night getting home from work, midnight + [ Security ] .. Neighbour [ Big bloke in his 60's ] two doors down laying out on the footpath legs out on the roadway , Medical episode ? drunk ? been bashed ? went to check him, No real responces then finaly got him to come round start sort of talking, He wanted help to get up, so gave him a hand up, then NEXT Minute grabs for my throat and starts to babble about its just starting .. Cleared his grabs at me faced him and sent into his open garrage and left him to himself .
With no one around and been not a fit capable person, .He's lucky Im not an excitable type and Im lucky he didnt have a hidden weapon, Who knows how it could have ended . Hindsight if you get the chance is a good thing ... So I can understand why people are reluctant to want to help ..
Post by: NZMarkb on August 10, 2021, 04:46:14 PM
Good people need do nothing
Post by: ab56452001 on August 10, 2021, 08:06:12 PM
WTFFunny how it mentions kids 11 yoa . This week in Canberra a gathering of State Reps to consider raising the age where a person can be charged for serious crimes , to over 10 yoa ! , if that comes to pass , watch the goings on in Broome etc magnify many fold .
"Teaching staff [are] repeatedly the victim of break-ins, often during the middle of the night, by intruders wielding machetes and axes," AEU NT branch president Jarvis Ryan said.
"They have damaged school buildings and vehicles, often leaving behind large weapons."
"A small number of children under the age of 11 have been identified as being principally responsible for the behaviours and police are working with their families and other authorities to address these behaviours," he said.
Post by: ab56452001 on August 10, 2021, 08:07:50 PM
The recurring theme in the quoted report re safety of teachers is to improve the security around the government housing. I call this BS, fix the problem. Additional security just encourages a different form of attack. If the savages can’t damage property they will go for the people instead. The kids’ behaviour causing the problems needs to be addressed by their parents/guardians.Unfortunately won't happen , and we all know it !
Post by: ab56452001 on August 10, 2021, 08:13:12 PM
Sad as it sounds , that's why many older Travellers , at least those with an Ounce of common sence , think of this possibly happening to themselves and are prepared .
I Can understand it .. Been plenty of good sumaritans that have met their death or ended up life long injured .. with little or no compensation / justice through the legal system ...
Example : Just the other night getting home from work, midnight + [ Security ] .. Neighbour [ Big bloke in his 60's ] two doors down laying out on the footpath legs out on the roadway , Medical episode ? drunk ? been bashed ? went to check him, No real responces then finaly got him to come round start sort of talking, He wanted help to get up, so gave him a hand up, then NEXT Minute grabs for my throat and starts to babble about its just starting .. Cleared his grabs at me faced him and sent into his open garrage and left him to himself .
With no one around and been not a fit capable person, .He's lucky Im not an excitable type and Im lucky he didnt have a hidden weapon, Who knows how it could have ended . Hindsight if you get the chance is a good thing ... So I can understand why people are reluctant to want to help ..
Post by: ab56452001 on August 10, 2021, 08:17:46 PM
To be honest , in all my Years of Travelling , mainly by myself , i'm more worried about the Crazy Druggie types than anyone else , and you seem to meet/see them Further and further away from the Big Cities and Towns and more often .
I Can understand it .. Been plenty of good sumaritans that have met their death or ended up life long injured .. with little or no compensation / justice through the legal system ...
Example : Just the other night getting home from work, midnight + [ Security ] .. Neighbour [ Big bloke in his 60's ] two doors down laying out on the footpath legs out on the roadway , Medical episode ? drunk ? been bashed ? went to check him, No real responces then finaly got him to come round start sort of talking, He wanted help to get up, so gave him a hand up, then NEXT Minute grabs for my throat and starts to babble about its just starting .. Cleared his grabs at me faced him and sent into his open garrage and left him to himself .
With no one around and been not a fit capable person, .He's lucky Im not an excitable type and Im lucky he didnt have a hidden weapon, Who knows how it could have ended . Hindsight if you get the chance is a good thing ... So I can understand why people are reluctant to want to help ..
Post by: austastar on August 10, 2021, 08:59:33 PM
At one small town on the Darling River a local park had small fire pits strangely positioned by the river, and the notice advertising the security fencing at the local caravan park reinforced the spidey senses even more.
We rolled on through and found our own quiet spot for the night well out of town.
Cheers
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Post by: Fizzie on August 11, 2021, 09:15:04 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-11/kids-dying-in-kimberley/100362742 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-11/kids-dying-in-kimberley/100362742)
It's not just us that are unhappy about it all! :'(
Post by: Bird on August 11, 2021, 10:09:34 AM
Quote from: Fizzie
& the follow up ...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-11/kids-dying-in-kimberley/100362742 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-11/kids-dying-in-kimberley/100362742)
It's not just us that are unhappy about it all! :'(
"Tribal punishment is discipline really, it teaches you what's wrong from right. If you do wrong, you get a hiding," Putuparri says.
The punishment can be violent, anything from a clip around the ear for a child, to a public whacking with sticks performed in a public place.
All they'd get is a "clip around the ear" for bashing 2 innocent women.
then again hope they stream it live on line :cup:
Post by: edz on August 11, 2021, 11:08:33 AM
A community service order and good behaviour bond and a fine [ Most have lists of offences and 100th chances longer than arms ] or even time in the Klink isnt a deterant or a punishment ..For a lot, time in the klink is better than home or on the streets .
Cant honestly say Ive ever heard or seen anywhere of anyone saying they enjoyed getting XXX amount of lashes and loved it that much theyed like a few more .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoHoxHD-bNU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoHoxHD-bNU)
Post by: bmwfreak on August 11, 2021, 01:01:20 PM
"These kids wander the streets all night and some of them have got good reason – it's because of the alcohol and the abuse that's happening at home.
"They don't want to go home while everyone's drinking, so they'll go home at three or four in the morning when everyone's asleep so they know they're safe."
Perhaps they need to punish their adults before the kids, if the above is a contributing factor. Once the adults are brought into line with an agreeable behaviour towards the community AND their own kids, it’s possible the rehabilitated adults will then be able to domesticate their own children??
Post by: gronk on August 11, 2021, 03:42:29 PM
Perhaps they need to punish their adults before the kids, if the above is a contributing factor. Once the adults are brought into line with an agreeable behaviour towards the community AND their own kids, it’s possible the rehabilitated adults will then be able to domesticate their own children??
Not condoning it, but maybe you could understand the reasoning behind the “stolen generation” idea.
The idea was good, and probably was well meant, but the execution wasn’t good. Don’t forget it wasn’t only indigenous kids being “stolen”……there were nearly as many white kids “stolen” as well.
There hasn’t been a solution to this problem for over 50yrs….can’t see one for another 50 !!
Post by: Bird on August 11, 2021, 03:59:03 PM
Post by: McGirr on August 11, 2021, 05:25:05 PM
Having worked in over 14 indigenous communities, you get a real understanding of what goes on.
We will take race, creed and colour out of this for now.
You are bought into the world and you are exposed to violence, rape, incest, swearing, drunkenness etc.
Your mother and father are either not together or it was a fling for both. They are either in jail, gone off to the nearest town drinking and the kids are left with friends.
You are bullied constantly, no food, sleeping in numerous houses, raped both male and female, incest comes into play also.
You do not have to go to school, so you wander between families and learn to survive on your own. This happens to kids as young as 5.
You join gangs. You learn to have no respect for anyone, you are there to survive. Break into places, steal from any one, bash people to get money. Normally kids are between 7 and 15 and know the law and cannot be touched.
You head into towns, in gangs, and prey on tourists who have money, break into their cars, caravan etc. You just want money for food.
Like I said I will never condone violence but they know no better. It is a forgotten society that no one can ever fix.
Now imagine if this was a white person !!!
Mark
Post by: plusnq on August 11, 2021, 05:50:07 PM
My 2c worth. By no means am I condoning what went on. It's deplorable.
Having worked in over 14 indigenous communities, you get a real understanding of what goes on.
We will take race, creed and colour out of this for now.
You are bought into the world and you are exposed to violence, rape, incest, swearing, drunkenness etc.
Your mother and father are either not together or it was a fling for both. They are either in jail, gone off to the nearest town drinking and the kids are left with friends.
You are bullied constantly, no food, sleeping in numerous houses, raped both male and female, incest comes into play also.
You do not have to go to school, so you wander between families and learn to survive on your own. This happens to kids as young as 5.
You join gangs. You learn to have no respect for anyone, you are there to survive. Break into places, steal from any one, bash people to get money. Normally kids are between 7 and 15 and know the law and cannot be touched.
You head into towns, in gangs, and prey on tourists who have money, break into their cars, caravan etc. You just want money for food.
Like I said I will never condone violence but they know no better. It is a forgotten society that no one can ever fix.
Now imagine if this was a white person !!!
Mark
There are white communities with the same issues. It just attracts less media attention. The same family dynamics, unemployment, drugs , absent patents, and just survival exists in lots of communities across Australia. Having also worked in many Indigenous communities and poorer city areas, I have no idea what a solution looks like as it is often multigenerational.
Post by: Bird on August 11, 2021, 06:50:35 PM
Quote from: McGirr
15 and know the law and cannot be touched.This is the problem... Lock em up - no matter what colour or race they are.. the "race of people" from SE melbourne have no concern for the law, that was what an ex cop that gave up told me..> No support from the judges etc.
Also as Richo found out when his $4000 of camera gear was stolen from his car in Dubbo years back - those people for some reason cant be touched... Caravan park owners didnt give a Shit, and the cops had more interest in watering the garden. They even suggested they knew who it was.
Now imagine if that was a white person !!
Post by: Robbo on August 11, 2021, 07:30:36 PM
& the follow up ...What this article clearly shows is that there are consequences for your actions. This is something that most of us knew when growing up as children and teenagers. The fact that today there do not appear to be any significent concequences has led to society becoming what it is regardless of race, colour, creed etc. Also society seems to be more concerned with these little criminals and their upbringing and how to help them than showing any assistance or sympathy towards the many victims of their actions. The time has come for respect to be drummed into these criminals and if corporal punishment has to be used to achieve this then so be it.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-11/kids-dying-in-kimberley/100362742 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-11/kids-dying-in-kimberley/100362742)
It's not just us that are unhappy about it all! :'(
Rant Over
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Post by: Fizzie on August 12, 2021, 07:47:34 AM
There are white communities with the same issues.
Yep :'(
For a while now, there have been a rash of cars being stolen all over SEQ, frequently involving 13 - 14 year olds.
Was chatting to a friend of ours, who's a :police:, & said something about Where do the parents think their kids are at 3am ???
She said that in a lot of cases, there are no parents - in jail, just gone, frequently dead, or if they are there, they're full of dope themselves so don't know, or care, what the kids are doing. Either that or the kids are already living on the streets, or are with foster parents who can't control them. :'(
The Boot Camp concept to try & instill a bit of self-discipline into them may work - certainly been some success stories about them
Post by: dogbox on August 12, 2021, 10:01:00 AM
Yep :'(
For a while now, there have been a rash of cars being stolen all over SEQ, frequently involving 13 - 14 year olds.
Was chatting to a friend of ours, who's a :police:, & said something about Where do the parents think their kids are at 3am ???
She said that in a lot of cases, there are no parents - in jail, just gone, frequently dead, or if they are there, they're full of dope themselves so don't know, or care, what the kids are doing. Either that or the kids are already living on the streets, or are with foster parents who can't control them. :'(
The Boot Camp concept to try & instill a bit of self-discipline into them may work - certainly been some success stories about them
is that how the stolen generation thing happened ? it would appear that some of the stolen generation victims had a far better upbringing than what is happening in a lot of places now
Post by: gronk on August 12, 2021, 06:47:57 PM
is that how the stolen generation thing happened ? it would appear that some of the stolen generation victims had a far better upbringing than what is happening in a lot of places now
As I mentioned, in hindsight it could have been done better, but for most of the “stolen” children it was more like “rescued” generation.
Nowadays, DOCS are very reluctant to remove kids from a household, so the experts believe it’s better to have a kid grow up with the exact same “problems” that years ago we “stole” the kids from ??
Post by: plusnq on August 12, 2021, 06:52:45 PM
Nowadays, DOCS are very reluctant to remove kids from a household, so the experts believe it’s better to have a kid grow up with the exact same “problems” that years ago we “stole” the kids from ??
That’s not been the experience in our family
Post by: dogbox on August 12, 2021, 07:22:50 PM
That’s not been the experience in our family
nor ours ! docs , facs or what ever they call themselves today ( it cost millions to change the name of a goverment dept) answer to no one and are responsible only to the minister , so if you get offside with them you might as well give up as they do as they please they will crush you with legal fees and court costs
Post by: plusnq on August 12, 2021, 07:56:34 PM
Post by: gronk on August 12, 2021, 10:01:24 PM
That’s not been the experience in our family
So you’re saying DOCS are doing a good job ?
Post by: ab56452001 on August 12, 2021, 11:41:16 PM
Post by: plusnq on August 13, 2021, 04:07:52 AM
So you’re saying DOCS are doing a good job ?
Not in my personal experience
Post by: Fizzie on August 13, 2021, 07:33:37 AM
i dont know how to link
Is the article online ???
If so, just copy the address that appears up the top of the page eg https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-11/kids-dying-in-kimberley/100362742 , & post that as part of your reply.
If you want to get really fancy, click on the button there ^ that looks like a piece of paper in front of a globe & that will set it up so that anybody can go straight to that link.