MySwag.org The Off-road Camper Trailer Forum
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: me217 on January 04, 2017, 06:13:04 PM
-
we were one of the lucky many, that received a nice little xmas gift from the government, a debt for $6000.
after looking into it, they say my wife didn't report her earnings for the whole time she was working at her last job, which is a load of crap, cause i know she was. and of course there is no record of what she reported as it's from 2013. and the centrelink website doesn't let you go back that far to check it out.
i was told to go on their website to sort it out but there is no option for that, they just ask if you can pay it in full.
has anyone else gotten a nice xmas gift from them, if so did you get it sorted and how?
as you can see, i'm not the only one.
http://www.gympietimes.com.au/news/welfare-recipients-told-pay-back-false-centrelink-/3127727/ (http://www.gympietimes.com.au/news/welfare-recipients-told-pay-back-false-centrelink-/3127727/)
http://www.gympietimes.com.au/news/centrelink-debacle-worsens-aussies-face-forced-deb/3128382/?ref=hs (http://www.gympietimes.com.au/news/centrelink-debacle-worsens-aussies-face-forced-deb/3128382/?ref=hs)
-
we were one of the lucky many, that received a nice little xmas gift from the government, a debt for $6000.
after looking into it, they say my wife didn't report her earnings for the whole time she was working at her last job, which is a load of crap, cause i know she was. and of course there is no record of what she reported as it's from 2013. and the centrelink website doesn't let you go back that far to check it out.
i was told to go on their website to sort it out but there is no option for that, they just ask if you can pay it in full.
has anyone else gotten a nice xmas gift from them, if so did you get it sorted and how?
as you can see, i'm not the only one.
http://www.gympietimes.com.au/news/welfare-recipients-told-pay-back-false-centrelink-/3127727/ (http://www.gympietimes.com.au/news/welfare-recipients-told-pay-back-false-centrelink-/3127727/)
http://www.gympietimes.com.au/news/centrelink-debacle-worsens-aussies-face-forced-deb/3128382/?ref=hs (http://www.gympietimes.com.au/news/centrelink-debacle-worsens-aussies-face-forced-deb/3128382/?ref=hs)
Mate feel for you and I hope i gets sorted ASAP , the timing in this sucks and some beurcrat need their arse reamed . But with iam all for government trying to keep a bettercheck on we're our monies going .
-
Mate feel for you and I hope i gets sorted ASAP , the timing in this sucks and some beurcrat need their arse reamed . But with iam all for government trying to keep a bettercheck on we're our monies going .
i agree with that too. but when they are using an incorrect algorithm to work it out and what they say is final. its bordering fraud on their side.
-
This is nothing new. At a point when things were chit in our life, we copped one for $7000, even though they were notified of my change of circumstances and copies of pay slips given to them. They even had it on record, that they had received said information but the stuff up was their fault. We had a solicitor contact them and and say... You prosecute these people and we will go public with your stupidity. >:D
We still had to pay it back but the kicker was, they still hadn't changed things a couple of months later! >:(
Foo
-
edit: similar to Foo.
went through similar years ago when I was doing short term contracting. with child support payments (or similar)
Start of financial year -> "estimate your yearly income"..
How do you do that contracting?
how long will the contract it be?
how much?
and they want to know all this at the start of the year.... almost impossible,
but as you have found out - there was no way to get it through to staff there with the IQ of a sock.
Then you get it wrong and your on par with the apex gang - bend over and think of a happy place. We want our X thousand back in 7 days etc..
-
and from the comments
"Centrelink's robo-debacle will dwarf bungled Census "
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/centrelinks-robodebacle-is-a-litany-of-inhuman-errors-20170103-gtl77k.html (http://www.theage.com.au/comment/centrelinks-robodebacle-is-a-litany-of-inhuman-errors-20170103-gtl77k.html)
"Meanwhile the Big End, the real cheats look down and laugh at us from their Ivory Towers.
The Govt might be believed if they were actually focusing on the real cheats rather than the unemployed or unwell.
And just wait till they engage this system with the Pensioners, under the new rules."
-
Centrelink is a farkin debarcle with or without this system. Best of luck to any and all that have to deal with the bastards
-
Centrelink is a farkin debarcle with or without this system. Best of luck to any and all that have to deal with the bastards
4th of January and we already have the Post of the Year.
-
4th of January and we already have the Post of the Year.
New thread poll ??? :cup:
-
4th of January and we already have the Post of the Year.
(http://i.imgur.com/kw7NBmZ.gif?1)
Thank you I am on fire tonight after writing a few very pointed emails to certain tards.
-
I thought I heard something on the radio about this today and they were saying the notices were not to pay the amount but questioning whether you owe that amount. In other words there's doubt in there minds that you actually owe the money. Something about teaming up with the ato to sort it out. Unfortunately I only caught the tail end of it on triplej
-
http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/heres-the-lowdown-on-the-centrelink-debt-crackdown/d1370da7-6317-4e18-bb05-a45cc71a920b.htm (http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/heres-the-lowdown-on-the-centrelink-debt-crackdown/d1370da7-6317-4e18-bb05-a45cc71a920b.htm)
-
Ask Not what you can do to this country , Do what it takes to screw it over & Do this till it brakes . Then WheretheFrakRyouthenbucko . & then :cheers:
Stump Up Get A Job , Contribute :cup:
-
i got one too....
back in 2013 i was working part time with TJM coffs, and a top up with centrelink...every fortnight claimed every cent- now they are saying they over paid me...FFS.....they want it back
you do the right thing, but after 3 years how can they demand money back ??
-
Your being punished for their Shit systems and Shit staff...
(http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/shut-up-do-as-your-told-bend-over-and-take-it-like-a-man.png)
-
Your being punished for their Shit systems and Shit staff...
(http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/shut-up-do-as-your-told-bend-over-and-take-it-like-a-man.png)
sounds about right.
-
They should have a record of every time that you spoke to them on the phone and when you came to see them. ;)
Foo
-
I can beat you all. I received a "request" for documentation for financial year 2010/2011 with regards to payment I supposedly received for NewStart for the sum of $21,975.
I have never been on New Start or unemployment, the dole or any other government payment. EVER.
Neither my wife or I have ever received a dollar for anything. Including a tax refund.
I'll be going public with this after I see my solicitor tomorrow.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
^^^^ WTF? ^^^^
Foo
-
Missus got this call today.. absolute joke, this is going back to 2010 to 2012 where they (the government) said they over paid her single parent allowance. She was a single parent at the time trying to make ends meet. Now they demand $6,900 back - almost 7 years later?????? WTF.
If this was a company, they would have no chance at getting it back not without protracted legal action as fear all all accounts are supposed to have their due diligence done by the party (the government in this case) paying!
Someone should take this on with a class action. Volunteers?
Centrelink said they were too busy over the last few years sorting out the bushfire claims when she asked why its taken this long.
-
My tips to you all.
Don't ever (EVER) get rid of payslips.
Always appeal any decision you don't agree with.
Don't take it out on the staff. They know the issues with the processes but are obliged (forced) to implement them as they are written.
Good luck peoples.
-
Just to add to the ridiculous state of the government system.
Before Xmas, has an ATO request pay more tax by the 28th Dec, guess what their system went down, tried again and again for the best part of a week no success, then told it had to be paid by the 28th Dec, the site was down from the 26th - 28th WTF? So the demand payment and then can fulfil their obligations?
Went to the doctors on the 30th, usually bulk billed, however Medibank was down so had to DI is manually yesterday.
REALLY is this the Australian Government promoting its service for the people???
-
I can beat you all. I received a "request" for documentation for financial year 2010/2011 with regards to payment I supposedly received for NewStart for the sum of $21,975.
I have never been on New Start or unemployment, the dole or any other government payment. EVER.
Neither my wife or I have ever received a dollar for anything. Including a tax refund.
I'll be going public with this after I see my solicitor tomorrow.
Probably someone else with the same name.
They can't find them, so you're it.....
-
Yes, Gov bureaucracy – don’t you love it. But maybe the real problem, and I could be wrong, are all the low life bludgers that abuse the system and that means stealing money from all of us tax payers. Remember the welfare bill for this year will be 160 Billion Dollars! You see the bludgers everywhere, in every town/city. Obviously dressed and well presented for work or a job interview. Yes, there are genuine people who need support. But there are a lot of the others. And the worker gets screwed... Kevin
-
My tips to you all.
Don't ever (EVER) get rid of payslips.
Always appeal any decision you don't agree with.
Don't take it out on the staff. They know the issues with the processes but are obliged (forced) to implement them as they are written.
Good luck peoples.
Great advise
-
Remember this, deal with Centrelink, the ATO or any other Government department and you invite them into your life. The ATO cannot be avoided but Centrelink certainly can. Opt out, go independent, seek no "benefits" and you will be better off for having avoided these bludgers.
-
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/what-should-you-do-if-you-get-a-centrelink-debt-letter-20170104-gtlmgl.html (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/what-should-you-do-if-you-get-a-centrelink-debt-letter-20170104-gtlmgl.html)
What the ****?
"On Tuesday, Social Services Minister Christian Porter admitted one in five people who received one of those letters did not owe a debt."
-
Whilst I haven't received a letter in the recent debacle I did a couple of years back, whilst I don't condone taking it out on staff they were the cause of a lot of my issues, my business is a partnership between myself and my wife but the partnership agreement has all income going to me, this isn't that uncommon.
We had to go in for them to evidence some papers for the family assistance my wife receives and although having all the relevant documentation the incompetent employee decided to attribute half the income to my wife despite me pointing out to her the error at the time, so we now had a debt for thousands >:(.
Here comes the big issue, dealing with Centrelink in order to correct their stuff up makes banging your head against a brick wall look enticing. I can't remember the exact time I spent on the phone and actually in Centrelink getting this resolved (days not just hours) but it would have easily cost me four figures in lost income, a number of times we were told it had been rectified only for it not to be, eventually thankfully we found a rare competent employee who actually knew her job and actually resolved the issue.
Then there was the time that they overpaid us because although they had asked for my expected income for my wife's family assistance and I deliberately waaay overestimated it to avoid receiving any overpayments, they for some inexplicable reason decided to use a smaller figure resulting in us being overpaid and having to repay a debt ::).
I feel for those going through this as I have been there myself, hopefully, due to the magnitude of it and the media attention your issues won't drag on as long.
-
Yes, Gov bureaucracy – don’t you love it. But maybe the real problem, and I could be wrong, are all the low life bludgers that abuse the system and that means stealing money from all of us tax payers. Remember the welfare bill for this year will be 160 Billion Dollars! You see the bludgers everywhere, in every town/city. Obviously dressed and well presented for work or a job interview. Yes, there are genuine people who need support. But there are a lot of the others. And the worker gets screwed... Kevin
Spot on.
-
After spending the last 2 - 3 years on a mixture of reduced pay, partial welfare payments, compo & then an injury claim payout, I'm just waiting with bated breath to get one of these myself :'( >:(
-
But maybe the real problem, and I could be wrong, are all the low life bludgers that abuse the system and that means stealing money from all of us tax payers. Remember the welfare bill for this year will be 160 Billion Dollars!
While there are some people that are ripping everyone off, that $160bill is not just the dole, it's all types of welfare - AusStudy for kid's in Uni, Youth Allowance while they're getting a full-time job, Newstart, Age pension, NDIS, aged-care accomodation & support etc etc etc
I believe the NewStart side of things is only about $4bill ???
-
Yes, Gov bureaucracy – don’t you love it. But maybe the real problem, and I could be wrong, are all the low life bludgers that abuse the system and that means stealing money from all of us tax payers. Remember the welfare bill for this year will be 160 Billion Dollars! You see the bludgers everywhere, in every town/city. Obviously dressed and well presented for work or a job interview. Yes, there are genuine people who need support. But there are a lot of the others. And the worker gets screwed... Kevin
Is this figure a genuine amount or is it a figure that the Government wants us to believe so that they 'the Government' can take monies away from those who are in need ? IE - pensioners who have paid tax all there working lives or those that are genuinely disabled.
-
Yes, Gov bureaucracy – don’t you love it. But maybe the real problem, and I could be wrong, are all the low life bludgers that abuse the system and that means stealing money from all of us tax payers.
I don't think anyone has an issue with rorters being caught out, the issue is the drastically flawed way of doing it is catching up many innocent people who then have to deal with an unbelievably incompetent government department to clear their name/debt.
-
Is this figure a genuine amount or is it a figure that the Government wants us to believe so that they 'the Government' can take monies away from those who are in need ? IE - pensioners who have paid tax all there working lives or those that are genuinely disabled.
That's probably the total figure of every single payment made + 80% to make it look worse then seasonally adjusted...
-
I still find it unbelievable that people can get the dole immediately on leaving school. How is that for incentive to get a job? And I know a few nephews who had well paid jobs and decided they wanted a change of career. So they quit work to go to uni and get tax payers money to live on while they do this. I mean WTF. I recall not that long ago if you wanted a change of career you had to save up and fund yourself? Or keep working and go to TAFE at night? And then the dole bludgers who call it their pay day. Pay day >:( But I know there are genuine ones and really feel for them, not a good place to be. Kevin
-
Common sense logic says that the best bet would be to Let bygones be bygones: Don't worry about the past, set the system up so it works from 1st July 2017
Resulting in:
Less disruption from the point of view of everyone, and then a nice clean sheet from the 1st July with a joined up system (in theory...)
No $hitty letters to people
Less stress for Centrelink staff
People can ensure that they are going to have the records they need from the 1st July, instead of trying to find things from many years ago
-
Just wait until they offshore the call centres to Manilla...
Centrelink are Shite, the only reason we deal with them is for the childcare allowance to make the $47k a year full-time daycare fees a bit easier on the pocket...
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
-
Common sense logic says that the best bet would be to Let bygones be bygones: Don't worry about the past, set the system up so it works from 1st July 2017
but how does the minister beat his chest saying he has recouped millions!!!
... instead of trying to find things from many years ago
but this is what they are counting on... people not being able to do so the get more back.
-
Is this figure a genuine amount
2016 budget
Social Security & Welfare $158.61b
Assistance to the Aged $63.3b
"" Families with children $37.6b
"" People with Disabilities $33.4b
"" Unemployed & sick $10.5b
"" Veterans & dependants $6.5b
"" Indigenous Australians $2.2b
Other welfare programs $1.6b
General admin $3.6b
-
I know a few nephews who had well paid jobs and decided they wanted a change of career. So they quit work to go to uni and get tax payers money to live on while they do this. I mean WTF.
I recall not that long ago if you wanted a change of career you had to save up and fund yourself? Or keep working and go to TAFE at night?
Austudy has been around for 30yrs now and the tertiary assistance scheme before that, University used to be free but has steadily gotten more expensive due to less government assistance. Most current students need to fund themselves to some extent unless they can somehow live on a maximum Youth allowance/ Austudy rate of less than $220/wk
-
[quote ]
I still find it unbelievable that people can get the dole immediately on leaving school.
[/quote]
I dont know how they do this, We were told the only way our daughter could get assistance was to file a case against us that she could not stay at home because of it being unsafe IE: abusive / unfit house hold ..
But we couldnt dodgy that up as Childrens services would step in and we would lose her little sister .
So we were advised by the staff at Centerflunk and had to support her till she got a job or turned 24 .We put her through tafe and covered her till she picked up work and in between jobs which was a struggle .
-
I'm not too worried that my taxes partially go to paying the bludgers on welfare. Imagine how much more crime there would be if these low lifes had zero $$$ help from the government????? I'm just thankful that I have been lucky enough not to need any of their services...
-
If you do get a letter of debt....there's no point going to a centre to try and deal with it, the staff have no idea about any of it and can't help you at all...not having a go at the staff, just letting you all know it is a completely different section that is dealing with this stuff, hence need to call the number on the paperwork you get. If that don't work then you're out luck, the staff at a centre have no option to help at all.
Don't muck around trying to sort it out either, they have (or are just about to atleast) introduce incurred interest on debts owed now also...something that didn't happen previously I believe.
-
the thing that pisses me off, is they are trying to say that my wife didn't report her income even though she did every fortnight. which they don't give you any way of checking up on. so its their word against ours, and who are they gonna believe.
-
Remember this, deal with Centrelink, the ATO or any other Government department and you invite them into your life. The ATO cannot be avoided but Centrelink certainly can. Opt out, go independent, seek no "benefits" and you will be better off for having avoided these bludgers.
Sometimes hard workers, genuine battlers & people down on their luck need a hand too, these days it's hard to live off grid while in a rental with a family & moderns services. These are the ones I want Centrelink to help out as I think it's a great service to help these guys back on their feet. Life long bludgers I couldn't give two Shits about. I bet they don't get a bill.
-
Life long bludgers I couldn't give two Shits about. I bet they don't get a bill.
I got mates back in the shire that have never worked an "Honest" day in their 50+ years... few odd cash days here and there, or selling pot for a living seems to get them further than I have working like a fool.
-
I got mates back in the shire that have never worked an "Honest" day in their 50+ years... few odd cash days here and there, or selling pot for a living seems to get them further than I have working like a fool.
that really annoys me, i got people living next to me who has blow ins live with him for a couple weeks at a time, none of them work. you see at least one carton enter the property everyday, and taxi's in and out all day.
i work full time, have done since 14 and my wife has only left work to raise our newest daughter, and we get a massive debt as a thanks for the hard work. yet the drug ****ed pieces of **** that just scam centrelink all their life get away with it.
i bet anyone who hasn't worked in the last ten years isn't getting a bill.
-
....
i bet anyone who hasn't worked in the last ten years isn't getting a bill.
Of course they won't. Centrelink has all their payslips....
-
i bet anyone who hasn't worked in the last ten years isn't getting a bill.
This may be the reason for all the bills to be sent out? Someone has to pay for their long service...
-
Whilst I haven't received a letter in the recent debacle I did a couple of years back, whilst I don't condone taking it out on staff they were the cause of a lot of my issues, my business is a partnership between myself and my wife but the partnership agreement has all income going to me, this isn't that uncommon.
We had to go in for them to evidence some papers for the family assistance my wife receives and although having all the relevant documentation the incompetent employee decided to attribute half the income to my wife despite me pointing out to her the error at the time, so we now had a debt for thousands >:(.
I don't mean to be rude, but even though this practice may not be uncommon (probably why our country is broke) but it looks to be unethical.
I don't know what your financial set-up is for your business and if its done to reduce tax - fair enough. But If you fudge the figures to make it look like your wife earns nothing so she can get a centrelink payment. Then I don't think you should getting on your high horse as isn't that scamming the system just as bad as the bludgers?
-
I don't mean to be rude, but even though this practice may not be uncommon (probably why our country is broke) but it looks to be unethical.
I don't know what your financial set-up is for your business and if its done to reduce tax - fair enough. But If you fudge the figures to make it look like your wife earns nothing so she can get a centrelink payment.
It's set up as a partnership as it was our capital (not just mine) but I get the income because I do all the work, if she was doing some of the work but I were claiming all the income as my own it could potentially be dodgy as you say but likely my increased taxes (losing a tax free threshold etc) would probably cancel out any additional family assistance benefit.
The most common issue is people doing the opposite and splitting the income equally to reduce the tax when the partner doesn't contribute equally, this is against the law and if my wife was to claim an income from the partnership as you suggested it would be illegal.
If you want to take a swipe and legal but ethically questionable tax avoidance practices then family trusts are the legal way for companies to divide up the income between family members that business cannot.
Then I don't think you should getting on your high horse as isn't that scamming the system just as bad as the bludgers?
I don't know where you got that I am getting on my high horse about the "bludgers" from as my attitude towards it is akin to nabs comment earlier, my issue is with centrelinks lack of competence.
-
It's set up as a partnership as it was our capital (not just mine) but I get the income because I do all the work, if she was doing some of the work but I were claiming all the income as my own it could potentially be dodgy as you say but likely my increased taxes (losing a tax free threshold etc) would probably cancel out any additional family assistance benefit.
The most common issue is people doing the opposite and splitting the income equally to reduce the tax when the partner doesn't contribute equally, this is against the law and if my wife was to claim an income from the partnership as you suggested it would be illegal.
If you want to take a swipe and legal but ethically questionable tax avoidance practices then family trusts are the legal way for companies to divide up the income between family members that business cannot.
I don't know where you got that I am getting on my high horse about the "bludgers" from as my attitude towards it is akin to nabs comment earlier, my issue is with centrelinks lack of competence.
Sorry my bad. Confused other peoples posts with yours so i apologise. I have seen so much scamming that rorts our tax systems from businesses transfer pricing, trusts etc to avoid paying any tax - and then have a go at welfare recipients so it irks me a bit, as it is just as bad.
Don't get me wrong - reducing tax is no problem. But paying none - like the 450+ big companies in australia that don't, is unethical.
-
I'm pretty sure "income splitting" isn't "illegal". I do it and have been encouraged by the accountant to do so. The proportions actually vary each year according to our situation. Its been going on since adam was a boy & i would suggest if you think govt dont recognize spousal contributions then why would a split be 50-50 (at best) in divorce cases.
Now if you're getting additional support from govt then they may take a different approach.
Really though you shouldn't be surprised by this, the govt revenues are down by billions, so they have to try and get some money somehow, 8f they raised taxes, then we have a revolving door of politicians, which cant possibly be good for the country.
I might add that i refuse to deal with centrelink & the only time we have was when gst was introduced & i refused to go there. The person my wife had to deal with must've felt sorry for her & did the whole assessment based on bank statements. After 6 months i told her to cancel, not because we were flush with work again, but because i didnt want to owe the pricks anything
Theybactually ended up giving a bigger tax return & lump sum payments, their assessment not mine, the account always said if they get it wrong its their problem 😀
-
This may be the reason for all the bills to be sent out?
They had something go haywire with their BigData analytics engine, which sent the letters...
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
-
I'm pretty sure "income splitting" isn't "illegal". I do it and have been encouraged by the accountant to do so. The proportions actually vary each year according to our situation. Its been going on since adam was a boy.
If by your situation you mean how much you wife has contributed then yes that would be correct, if you mean by how much you have earnt then it's probably dodgy but yes not "illegal" (bad choice of words on my behalf) they won't send you to jail but could make you pay the extra tax if audited.
According to my accountant and what I have read from the ATO you can't just allocate part of your income to your wife if she doesn't contribute something substantial to the business (just answering the phones doesn't count). Like most things with tax law, it isn't simple and lots of factors come into play but it's safe to say that the typical tradie out doing the work and the wife doing the accounts wouldn't be considered close to a 50/50 split if the ATO had a look at it and would split partnership income in proportion to your respective personal efforts.
Your accountant would know far more than I would and yes it has been happening forever and your accountant is probably basing it on what you can likely get away with as opposed to reality like most things when it comes to tax.
Its been going on since adam was a boy & i would suggest if you think govt dont recognize spousal contributions then why would a split be 50-50 (at best) in divorce cases.
Totally different examples, one is pre-tax income of a business/company and one is the division of a family's assets, if kids are involved then they generally base it in a way that means the government's likely contribution to raising your kids is minimised, prenups are pretty useless once kids are involved for this reason but I am now way off topic.
-
Looks like Centerlink can not get any thing right.
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/centrelink-wrongly-hits-70000-families-with-bills-for-up-to-800-20160107-gm18jy.html (http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/centrelink-wrongly-hits-70000-families-with-bills-for-up-to-800-20160107-gm18jy.html)
http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/thousands-of-people-forced-to-pay-back-part-of-their-welfare-payments-due-to-suspected-computer-glitch/news-story/10da94686ee8253c8cb2fca848ca00ff (http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/thousands-of-people-forced-to-pay-back-part-of-their-welfare-payments-due-to-suspected-computer-glitch/news-story/10da94686ee8253c8cb2fca848ca00ff)
-
Looks like Centerlink can not get any thing right.
Centerlink...
****ing things up right royally since 1980
-
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/public-service/centrelink-would-be-shut-down-for-fraud-over-debt-letters-says-malcolm-turnbulls-former-digital-guru-20170108-gtnz12.html (http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/public-service/centrelink-would-be-shut-down-for-fraud-over-debt-letters-says-malcolm-turnbulls-former-digital-guru-20170108-gtnz12.html)
Centrelink would be shut down for fraud for its conduct in the recent botched "debt" recovery efforts if it were a private company, according to the Commonwealth's former digital government chief. :cup: :cup: :cup:
-
mickytd 31 has some good advice for those receiving notices and remember at this stage they're simply computer generated from data matching. Now you were either overpaid your entitlement at the time or you weren't and it's no different than us being in business and dealing with the ATO, etc. In that regard if your home doesn't have a filing cabinet and you're not keeping important records like this in this day and age, then you deserve being blindsided every time there's an administrative hiccup like this and you're a mug still living in the past.
I drum it into the kids and I have no sympathy for them discarding important records. Do you have a simple warranty file where you lodge receipts for relevant purchases where you can lay your hands on them quickly for a claim? Do you have another file with those handbooks and instructions for various appliances, etc? If not why not as you're supposed to read the instructions stoopids and pass them on if you resell items.
So if it transpires you were overpaid your legitimate entitlement then you enjoyed the extra benefit of that and you only have to pay it back in todays lesser value nominal dollars and you've had the benefit of the interest all that time so get over it and cough up because half this bloody country pay no net tax nowadays considering their clawback and Gummint handouts. Centrelink will no doubt help you out with the budgeting with an affordable repayment plan too.
-
we were one of the lucky many, that received a nice little xmas gift from the government, a debt for $6000.
after looking into it, they say my wife didn't report her earnings for the whole time she was working at her last job, which is a load of crap, cause i know she was. and of course there is no record of what she reported as it's from 2013. and the centrelink website doesn't let you go back that far to check it out.
i was told to go on their website to sort it out but there is no option for that, they just ask if you can pay it in full.
has anyone else gotten a nice xmas gift from them, if so did you get it sorted and how?
as you can see, i'm not the only one.
http://www.gympietimes.com.au/news/welfare-recipients-told-pay-back-false-centrelink-/3127727/ (http://www.gympietimes.com.au/news/welfare-recipients-told-pay-back-false-centrelink-/3127727/)
http://www.gympietimes.com.au/news/centrelink-debacle-worsens-aussies-face-forced-deb/3128382/?ref=hs (http://www.gympietimes.com.au/news/centrelink-debacle-worsens-aussies-face-forced-deb/3128382/?ref=hs)
JUst a matter of record, it was the previous mob that introduced the data matching process
-
And lest we forget those periodic ABS surveys of household income and expenditure-
"Only the top fifth of households ranked by their income - those with incomes of more than $200,000 a year in the financial year ending June 2012 - pay anything into the system net of the value of social security in cash and kind received, according to data from the latest Australian Bureau of Statistics survey of household income.
The distribution of personal income tax - the federal government’s biggest source of revenue, raising about 45 per cent of the total ($165 billion this year) - is far more progressive than headline marginal tax rates suggest. Including the 1.5 per cent Medicare levy, Australia’s income tax rates range from 19 per cent for every dollar of income above $18,200 to 46.5 per cent for every dollar above $180,000. Most taxpayers face a 34.5 per cent marginal rate.
But average income tax rates on households’ privately generated income (ordinarily wages and salaries, but dividends and rental income too) ranged from 1.5 per cent for the bottom fifth of households in 2012 to 22 per cent for the top fifth.
The 1.73 million households in the middle quintile paid an average tax rate of 12.3 per cent on average incomes of $88,900. But the ABS survey estimates these households received $31 a week in Age Pension payments, $13 in disability payments, $48 in child-related payments and $12 in unemployment benefits, along with a host of others that whittle their average net tax payments down to $84 a week.
This sort of analysis excludes the value of government benefits beyond cash: “free” schools, hospitals, public transport and the like, which the ABS estimated to be $413 a week for these middle-ranked households. Netting everything off shows even “average”, let alone lower-income, households got back $2.70 for every $1 they paid in tax. Households in the bottom quintile enjoyed benefits worth more than 320 times what they paid in tax compared with about 10 times for those in the second-lowest quintile.
Notwithstanding the enormous variation in the circumstances of individuals and households within each of these five buckets - for instance, childless, healthy workers will pay in much more than unemployed families with sick children - the disparities are as remarkable as they are little-known."
So if you've been overpaid then suck it up princesses.
-
So if you've been overpaid then suck it up princesses.
:cup:
-
I bet not one single you've been under paid letter gets sent ;D
-
I bet not one single you've been under paid letter gets sent ;D
(https://armstrongmedia.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/GOLD-Text.gif)
-
So if you've been overpaid then suck it up princesses.
Damn straight!!!
EVERYONE who has been over paid or made false claims to be given money they are not untitled to should be forced to repay every cent. No excuses!!
Lets start here first:
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/the-10-most-outrageous-things-pollies-have-spent-our-money-on/news-story/254c2cb0858b56fb89ed65f547bee3f0 (http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/the-10-most-outrageous-things-pollies-have-spent-our-money-on/news-story/254c2cb0858b56fb89ed65f547bee3f0)
And don't get me started on those bloody pensioners;
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/retiring-federal-politicians-will-get-sixfigure-pensions-for-life-20160303-gna6c1.html (http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/retiring-federal-politicians-will-get-sixfigure-pensions-for-life-20160303-gna6c1.html)
Time to clean up the whole lot I say.
If the relevant department is having troubles wording their letters to send out to these thieves I will gladly help them out......
-
JUst a matter of record, it was the previous mob that introduced the data matching process
I was just about to post the same... We tendered for the Centrelink outsource, and it wasn't done by the current party
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
-
Just for the record....Centrelink (aka DHS / Department of Human Services) are the service delivery agency being blamed for this debacle, DSS (Department of Social Services) are the ones that gave the go ahead to implement this, even though they were told before it's release that the way it is being worked out is incorrect and doesn't work
-
I can beat you all. I received a "request" for documentation for financial year 2010/2011 with regards to payment I supposedly received for NewStart for the sum of $21,975.
I have never been on New Start or unemployment, the dole or any other government payment. EVER.
Neither my wife or I have ever received a dollar for anything. Including a tax refund.
I'll be going public with this after I see my solicitor tomorrow.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Chapter 2
Wife and spent 4 hrs in a meeting with our legal representative and our local Federal Member
Rep from Centrelink was invited but no answer
The upshot of it all is until CL provide documentation that I was unemployed and on benefits, the can get stuffed
We have also billed them for our legal team and harassment an this has been signed off by our Member who also reckons "unofficially" we aren't the only ones in this situation
More to follow??
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
So if you've been overpaid then suck it up princesses.
This bit 100%
"Only the top fifth of households ranked by their income - those with incomes of more than $200,000 a year in the financial year ending June 2012 - pay anything into the system net of the value of social security in cash and kind received, according to data from the latest Australian Bureau of Statistics survey of household income.
The distribution of personal income tax - the federal government’s biggest source of revenue, raising about 45 per cent of the total ($165 billion this year) - is far more progressive than headline marginal tax rates suggest. Including the 1.5 per cent Medicare levy, Australia’s income tax rates range from 19 per cent for every dollar of income above $18,200 to 46.5 per cent for every dollar above $180,000. Most taxpayers face a 34.5 per cent marginal rate.
But average income tax rates on households’ privately generated income (ordinarily wages and salaries, but dividends and rental income too) ranged from 1.5 per cent for the bottom fifth of households in 2012 to 22 per cent for the top fifth.
The 1.73 million households in the middle quintile paid an average tax rate of 12.3 per cent on average incomes of $88,900. But the ABS survey estimates these households received $31 a week in Age Pension payments, $13 in disability payments, $48 in child-related payments and $12 in unemployment benefits, along with a host of others that whittle their average net tax payments down to $84 a week.
This sort of analysis excludes the value of government benefits beyond cash: “free” schools, hospitals, public transport and the like, which the ABS estimated to be $413 a week for these middle-ranked households. Netting everything off shows even “average”, let alone lower-income, households got back $2.70 for every $1 they paid in tax. Households in the bottom quintile enjoyed benefits worth more than 320 times what they paid in tax compared with about 10 times for those in the second-lowest quintile.
Notwithstanding the enormous variation in the circumstances of individuals and households within each of these five buckets - for instance, childless, healthy workers will pay in much more than unemployed families with sick children - the disparities are as remarkable as they are little-known."
This bit 0%
Where to start on such a one-sided BS opinion piece, The whole schtick about the indignation due to minimal net tax payers doesn't hold up to analysis, from the article
1)less than half the government's "pot" of money comes from income tax, the majority then comes from other sources
2)the government then uses this pot of money to provide services, which is why they exist
We are then supposed to be surprised that the majority of us get more back in the form of services than we put in purely in income tax? The government has other income to, like it taxes business, on our behalf to provide it's services and the businesses make their money from you guessed it, us.
The title of this article (not quoted here) was "No, the rich don’t pay a ‘fair share’ of tax. They pay all of it" which is so unbelievably wrong I don't know how it ever got published, again from the article "Based on income tax returns from the 2010-11 financial year, the top 1 per cent of individual income earners - who in the 2010-11 tax year were those with taxable incomes of more than $281,800 a year - paid $23.55bn or 17.7 per cent of the total income tax haul" this is 17.5% of the 45% that makes up the governments pot. That makes up just 7% of the Governments income which is a long way from "all of it".
Yet it's trying to convince us that we should somehow feel for these top 1% as they contribute 7% of the Governments income, even though their share of the income pie is 8% and that 8% figure is from after they have most likely benefited from multiple creative deductions.
Bottom line is, no the rich don't pay all the tax, far from it and the talk of net taxpayers is flawed unless you take into account more than just income tax.
-
tryagain you don't understand quintile statistics so you're blathering emotion against facts but it's a common malaise. High income earners also pay more GST and property rates, taxes and charges so there's no relief for them there unless they're non drinkers and smokers.
Anyway here's Robert Gottliebsen reporting in The Oz on the flip side of the coin and those of us in business who've always paid our bills on time would wholeheartedly support the ATO with measures to clean up the amateurs and crooks-
"The government plans to allow the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) to disclose to credit reporting bureaus the names of those who owe the money unless they have “effectively engaged with the ATO to manage these debts”.
The reality is that the moment those names are published all bank and supplier credit will be withdrawn — that’s what happens in the small business community. And as soon as bank and supplier credit is withdrawn almost all the businesses will fold.
Accordingly, Turnbull and Morrison must know they are taking a step that will send broke tens of thousands of businesses. Taking such a draconian step requires a structure that is clear and fair to all.
To everyone’s credit the Australian Taxation Office says that anyone who enters into a payment arrangement will not be named. But much more that that is required to deliver fairness.
Before I detail how Turnbull and Morrison can deliver fairness I want to emphasise that, despite the draconian consequences, in principle, I support the action. I have met small business after small business that, when there is a snag, they stop paying the tax man (and superannuation). Before long they are in a deep mess. It seems that in 2015-16 some 28 per cent of small business tax liabilities were paid late. While this confirms the above pattern it also underlines the brittleness of large parts of the Australian entrepreneurial and small business community in the current economic environment.
If they knew they were going to be named to credit bureaus ---and therefore be bankrupted — small enterprises would think twice about going down the non-payment of tax route and instead change their business model and/or raise capital.
The time to take such action is when the problem arises and not when some huge back tax bill has arisen. Accordingly going forward this “naming measure” will save thousands of businesses and make the small business sector much more healthy."
Hear hear!
-
So we downloaded the letter today. They are claiming over $6k of over payments.. the problem is the dates they have given that the missus worked don't even tie up with when she was employed.
What an absolute farce..a call tomorrow to tell them to actually get their facts right before demanding anything. Just to add insult to injury they were informed on a weekly basis going back to 2010 to 2011 what was earnt and when. Perhaps they can get this out of their own system instead of wasting our time repeating this information again?
I have no issue if it is indeed an overpayment, however I have a big issue with incorrect details, demands and no evidence of their claims.. just a pay us now.
**** wits
-
Guys, this is the public circus you're dealing with, so all you need do is write a letter telling them basically they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery and none of it concurs with your records and that'll kick it upstairs to some middle ranking bozos intray and that'll probably be the last you'll hear of it, except for a letter to say after reviewing your details, etc, etc we have amended your account to zero. Yours sincerely the nanny state.
-
Yeah but what planet does any government spend huge amounts of money sending out automated letters knowing they are wrong. How much doe this cost us the taxpayer in the longer term and the poor folk who are receiving such drivel without even the basic facts.
-
tryagain you don't understand quintile statistics so you're blathering emotion against facts
you quoted from an opinion piece, yes he used statistics and I didn't question those but his use of them was terrible and his main argument sensationalised and unsupported by them. If you want something far more factual and less op-ed here (https://taxpolicy.crawford.anu.edu.au/files/uploads/taxstudies_crawford_anu_edu_au/2016-11/zero_net_taxpayers_whiteford_nov_complete.pdf) is a policy brief compiled by an academic that makes similar points that I did, although it's a much longer read.
High income earners also pay more GST and property rates, taxes and charges so there's no relief for them there unless they're non drinkers and smokers.
I never claimed high-income don't pay more tax, of course they do, but to quote from the above-linked doc "To come back to the argument put by the former Treasurer, Joe Hockey, that high income groups pay a very high share of taxes, the main reason for this that they have a much higher share of income than their share in the population. "
"
-
Many years ago, Kerry Packer openly & publicly admitted to a Parliamentary enquiry that he paid 1c in the dollar income tax. OK, on $4bill (or whatever he was worth) that still adds up to quite a bit, but it's certainly not the 46.5% that "rich people" supposedly pay.
At the time, he also said that anyone who doesn't do everything legally possible to reduce the amount of tax they pay is a drongo.
-
At the time, he also said that anyone who doesn't do everything legally possible to reduce the amount of tax they pay is a drongo.
in reality he is right...
I don't have jack Shit I can claim each year... Kills me to see mates getting $x000's back each year, and I get $90 and pay $130 to get me tax done. Yes I've tried doing it online, but it cost me a new screen.
-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoD0efoHzeA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoD0efoHzeA)
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoD0efoHzeA#)
-
I'am not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. But for all the people that are saying you don't have records for the time Centrelink overpaid you, couldn't you contact your employer at that time as they should have records of your wages and when you worked.
-
I'am not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. But for all the people that are saying you don't have records for the time Centrelink overpaid you, couldn't you contact your employer at that time as they should have records of your wages and when you worked.
As of July 2015, my former employer no longer exists - so i'd have no hope. I'm sure there would be a lot of others in this situation too
-
... couldn't you contact your employer at that time as they should have records of your wages and when you worked.
true... but why should you have to?
This whole thing has been like its been planned and implemented by some kid needing a project for a year 9 school assignment.
And when the minister admits
"On Tuesday, Social Services Minister Christian Porter admitted one in five people who received one of those letters did not owe a debt." THEN WHY THE **** DID THEY GET THE LETTERS???
what more can you say? Why should people need to take days off work to go to centerstink, chase up old employers - maybe they left on bad terms and the bloke will tell you to GAGF, what then???
-
true... but why should you have to?
This whole thing has been like its been planned and implemented by some kid needing a project for a year 9 school assignment.
And when the minister admits
"On Tuesday, Social Services Minister Christian Porter admitted one in five people who received one of those letters did not owe a debt." THEN WHY THE **** DID THEY GET THE LETTERS???
what more can you say? Why should people need to take days off work to go to centerstink, chase up old employers - maybe they left on bad terms and the bloke will tell you to GAGF, what then???
Exactly, only creates acrimony and makes the whole situation WORSE...........
Well said Bruce.
-
true... but why should you have to?
This whole thing has been like its been planned and implemented by some kid needing a project for a year 9 school assignment.
And when the minister admits
"On Tuesday, Social Services Minister Christian Porter admitted one in five people who received one of those letters did not owe a debt." THEN WHY THE **** DID THEY GET THE LETTERS???
what more can you say? Why should people need to take days off work to go to centerstink, chase up old employers - maybe they left on bad terms and the bloke will tell you to GAGF, what then???
said it earlier...there is no point going to Centrelink offices, the staff at the offices have no option to help in any of this stuff, you need to ring the number on the paperwork you get, they are the only ones who can deal with this mess.
-
What a clusterf#*%!!
-
tryagain you don't understand quintile statistics so you're blathering emotion against facts but it's a common malaise. High income earners also pay more GST and property rates, taxes and charges so there's no relief for them there unless they're non drinkers and smokers.
Anyway here's Robert Gottliebsen reporting in The Oz on the flip side of the coin and those of us in business who've always paid our bills on time would wholeheartedly support the ATO with measures to clean up the amateurs and crooks-
"The government plans to allow the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) to disclose to credit reporting bureaus the names of those who owe the money unless they have “effectively engaged with the ATO to manage these debts”.
The reality is that the moment those names are published all bank and supplier credit will be withdrawn — that’s what happens in the small business community. And as soon as bank and supplier credit is withdrawn almost all the businesses will fold.
Accordingly, Turnbull and Morrison must know they are taking a step that will send broke tens of thousands of businesses. Taking such a draconian step requires a structure that is clear and fair to all.
To everyone’s credit the Australian Taxation Office says that anyone who enters into a payment arrangement will not be named. But much more that that is required to deliver fairness.
Before I detail how Turnbull and Morrison can deliver fairness I want to emphasise that, despite the draconian consequences, in principle, I support the action. I have met small business after small business that, when there is a snag, they stop paying the tax man (and superannuation). Before long they are in a deep mess. It seems that in 2015-16 some 28 per cent of small business tax liabilities were paid late. While this confirms the above pattern it also underlines the brittleness of large parts of the Australian entrepreneurial and small business community in the current economic environment.
If they knew they were going to be named to credit bureaus ---and therefore be bankrupted — small enterprises would think twice about going down the non-payment of tax route and instead change their business model and/or raise capital.
The time to take such action is when the problem arises and not when some huge back tax bill has arisen. Accordingly going forward this “naming measure” will save thousands of businesses and make the small business sector much more healthy."
Hear hear!
Bullsh1t, high income earners employ top line accountants, have family trusts etc to right off these expenses against income. I know this for a fact, I did it as a middle income business for 35 years, every step we did was legal
Have you actually run a small business, 1 that relies on prompt payment from clients. In the building and construction industry late payments, up to 100 days is common, and unless you have a good accountant you are going to get screwed, then of course there is that wonderful "provisional tax" on money the ATO think you might earn next year.
"Change their business model and/or raise capital " are you living under a rock ffs. >:( >:(
90% of small businesses or hocked to their ears in their 1st few years and have absolutely NO way of raising more capital
These dumb arsed proposals that you are writing about won't happen . the government knows that small business employs 90% of working Australians
Other figures that you quote a very misleading " 28% of business taxes were paid late" I'd like to see an actual breakdown of that figure .I'd be betting that maybe 5% was deliberately late for various reasons, ie simply forgot, away on holidays etc, 18% got a provisional tax bill and didn't know how to pay it, the other 5% probably didn't have a separate GST account, just bunged it all into their trading account and at the end of the month they said something like "holly sh1t we're in trouble.
With all due respect Prod, you talk like a book keeper or an academic that has never actually RUN a small business.
cheers Keith :cheers:
-
Yes I have run a number of businesses and as a matter of fact I haven't received a pay cheque for 30 odd years and now I'm retired I wouldn't get the steam off a politician's manure to warm my coffee and that's the way I like it. About bloody time too they treated all assets for pensioners equally, including the family home as there's a heap of self entitled baby boomers my age who think the Gummint owes them a living and they're sitting in million dollar homes and expect the kids to pay the taxes.
As for Gottleibsen's 28% of SMEs paying their taxes late in a year, that wouldn't be over the top, as I've had a couple of reminders from the ATO over the years with a late BAS lodgement on the odd occasion, bearing in mind there's 4 returns a year. The ATO are pretty good if you ring them and explain the situation but I know full well there are plenty of business folks that don't pay their bills regularly, including their workers' super so get rid of them as far as I'm concerned.
Every business is capital hungry, particularly starting out, but you learn to go without and you only spend what's left after all the hungry mouths are fed. Most small biz fails because too many hopefuls are like so many consumers with maxed out credit cards. If there's one thing the lad in biz knows from me, you pay hard earned or you only borrow modestly to put a roof over your head or back yourself in biz. Anything else is for existential dopes who don't get borrowing for consumption is a one off sugar hit before the interest kicks in. I've never paid interest on a credit card in my life and neither will my son in biz or he'll answer to me.
Still you never know the Gummint might owe you after the bill shock-
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/perth-woman-claims-centrelink-hounded-her-for-dollar26000-debt-but-she-was-owed-dollar5k/ar-BBy8WEQ? (http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/perth-woman-claims-centrelink-hounded-her-for-dollar26000-debt-but-she-was-owed-dollar5k/ar-BBy8WEQ?)
Dopey woman. Fancy not knowing what her entitlements were at the time and relying on the public circus to work it out for her? Don't owe me money or you'll have me on your doorstep with a reminder and I've heard all the excuses.
-
& all this !@#$ going on, while it turns out that we are paying ex-pollies - half of whom were sacked! - $40 million a year! >:(
You want to save money? I've got a real good spot to start >:D
-
Many years ago, Kerry Packer openly & publicly admitted to a Parliamentary enquiry that he paid 1c in the dollar income tax. OK, on $4bill (or whatever he was worth) that still adds up to quite a bit, but it's certainly not the 46.5% that "rich people" supposedly pay.
At the time, he also said that anyone who doesn't do everything legally possible to reduce the amount of tax they pay is a drongo.
Just a few business expenses and running costs.
Employee Work Cover anywhere from 1%- 6% of wages/sal depending on industry
Employee Super 9.5% of wages/sal
Employee wages/sal
Long service leave
Christmas Parties
Employee gifts, birthdays etc.
Sales Commissions
Bonuses
Overtime
Holiday pay
Sick leave etc
Commercial Rent/lease far higher than residential and cpi increases every year.
Shop fitouts.
Advertising & Marketing
Stock, Samples, Displays
Insurances, business, contents, 3rd party, vehicles
Computers, faxes, electricity, water, cleaning, etc
Repairs/replacements
postage costs
Couriers
Interstate Transport cost.
Vehicles
Mistakes
Theft
Security system
Security monitoring system
Bank fees
Merchant fees. 2-4% of takings.
Accountant
Lawyer
GST 10% of takings
Company tax.
Personal tax.
Interstate EXPO's
Training
Upgrading
Bank Loans
I can keep going :D
"Profit" most has to go back into the business if you want to grow and try to make more money............so all the above grows as well.
These are just a few :D
Yes they do pay the correct tax margins but they also have a hell of a lot of overheads and carry all the risks to supply you with what you want :D
And trying to compete against "cheap copies" from overseas which most consumers complain about the poor quality and they don't last the test of time but still buy them ???
Yes these are tax deductible, if they weren't, a very high % would not be in business and you would be living in a cave wearing a grass skirt, rubbing 2 sticks together, eating weeds.
Just saying
But to stay on topic..................CL does suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great employee tax funded pay and retirement packages for very little quality workmenship. I know someone ;D
:cheers:
-
Many years ago, Kerry Packer openly & publicly admitted to a Parliamentary enquiry that he paid 1c in the dollar income tax. OK, on $4bill (or whatever he was worth) that still adds up to quite a bit, but it's certainly not the 46.5% that "rich people" supposedly pay.
At the time, he also said that anyone who doesn't do everything legally possible to reduce the amount of tax they pay is a drongo.
Classic KP in full flight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WTfoT_y-BQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WTfoT_y-BQ)
-
The Channel 10 News crew must have been trying desperately not to ROFL at Doctor Hyphenated- O'Connell outraged at having to 'trawl through his records' in order to disprove an overpayment of $300 when he took a couple of years off to get his Phd (check the video)-
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/vinnies-urges-government-to-stop-intimidating-poor-centrelink-customers-to-pay-off-its-own-deficit/ar-BBy8Ovm? (http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/vinnies-urges-government-to-stop-intimidating-poor-centrelink-customers-to-pay-off-its-own-deficit/ar-BBy8Ovm?)
Welcome to every businessman's daily grind doc and we don't get subsidised by the Gummint singing for our supper with the punters. Wouldn't you think, given the largesse this country's given him and being a busy doc earning top dollar, he'd happily throw in the $300 as a donation. Wonder if he only charges the scheduled Medicare fee for the poor folks? Cry me a river doc and welcome to the good old Aussie sense of entitlement.
-
I can beat you all. I received a "request" for documentation for financial year 2010/2011 with regards to payment I supposedly received for NewStart for the sum of $21,975.
I have never been on New Start or unemployment, the dole or any other government payment. EVER.
so how are you going with this?
-
Chapter 2
Wife and spent 4 hrs in a meeting with our legal representative and our local Federal Member
Rep from Centrelink was invited but no answer
The upshot of it all is until CL provide documentation that I was unemployed and on benefits, the can get stuffed
We have also billed them for our legal team and harassment an this has been signed off by our Member who also reckons "unofficially" we aren't the only ones in this situation
More to follow??
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Latest posting Bird..........
Haven't heard anything in the last day or so
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
You know the older I get the smarter I realize my parents were. Anyone still believe in Big Gummint?
-
You know the older I get the smarter I realize my parents were. Anyone still believe in Big Gummint?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170113/65a17c08c9ca0041bdd2f2f310be7138.gif)
Cheers Glen
-
Things are pretty tight these days, we've all got to do our bit you know.
So looks like we'd better send out another couple of dozen letters to raise some extra cash to cover this one too.....
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/finance-minister-mathias-cormann-bills-taxpayers-23000-for-weekend-trips-to-broome-20170114-gtrg3o.html (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/finance-minister-mathias-cormann-bills-taxpayers-23000-for-weekend-trips-to-broome-20170114-gtrg3o.html)
-
and then there's this below... drag out paying it back on a payment plan and all
Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young has to repay $15,186 to taxpayers — almost twice the debt she was originally thought to have — after blowing her electorate staff travel budget.
The Australian revealed in December that Senator Hanson-Young had the largest debt of any MP or senator, at that point $8686.34 owed to the Department of Finance, and had negotiated a rare payment plan.
But documents released late yesterday under Freedom of Information laws show the total debt was actually $15,186.34. It relates to staff travel in 2013-14 — which for Senator Hanson-Young was also an election year — when her office had a $49,549.80 budget but exceeded it by about 30 per cent.
The South Australian senator, who holds three portfolios for the Greens, has previously come under scrutiny for the use of charter flights and overseas trips to environmental meetings and refugee camps.
Senator Hanson-Young has declined to explain why her electorate staff travel budget blew out by almost a third.
While the department sent Senator Hanson-Young an invoice for the total amount outstanding on April 8 last year, requiring her to pay within 30 days, within three weeks she had convinced the department to agree to a $1300-a-month payment plan. It was initially due to begin on April 30 last year but the difference between the total amount originally owing and the $8686.34 still owed at December 15 equates to five repayments of $1300. A department spokeswoman declined to comment on the case.
Senators have a base salary of $195,130 and at least four staff who are allowed to accompany them anywhere in Australia on official business. They also have electorate resources, which for Senator Hanson-Young relates to her principal office in Adelaide.
The documents suggest the bulk of the overspend related to taxi fares, through Cabcharge payments, but there were also payments through the government travel provider FCm Travel Solutions.
In August, after a furore over then Speaker Bronwyn Bishop’s use of taxpayer-funded helicopter charters for Liberal fundraisers, the government announced a review of the entitlements system.
The review committee, headed by former department secretary David Tune, is due to report to the government within months.
-
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8c9nRYS_XfE/VSA47Fm7bJI/AAAAAAAASwM/9uA1BjHyZWs/s1600/please-disperse.gif)
http://abc.net.au/news/2017-01-16/government-to-change-centrelink-debt-recovery-program/8185366 (http://abc.net.au/news/2017-01-16/government-to-change-centrelink-debt-recovery-program/8185366)
-
Well I'm dam sure if I was a CEO [ Prime minister ] and one of my managers [ Minister ] didnt run his department properly and over paid 3 Billion dollars in payments .. He wouldnt be a manager [ Minister ] for very long .. and to go along with that the next in line right up the chain to the top should expect get the Heave Ho by the investors [ tax payers ] for allowing it to happen too .
-
Its going to get easier to deal with this Shithole...
Public servants could find themselves replaced with robots sooner than anyone expected with Centrelink soon to step up experiments with "virtual" welfare officers manning the agency's shopfronts around Australia.
Centrelink will soon have two robo-assistants answering questions from the public, one of them about the National Disability Insurance Scheme, the other helping young people with the complexities of claiming student benefits.
If the trials are successful, the virtual assistants look set to be rolled out across other areas of Human Service's vast responsibilities, replacing the traditional public servant behind a desk or at the end of a phone line.
The giant department is already using a virtual assistant called 'Roxy', which answers internal questions from DHS's processing officials.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/public-service/introducing-centrelinks-robopublic-servant-20170117-gtt2na.html (http://www.theage.com.au/national/public-service/introducing-centrelinks-robopublic-servant-20170117-gtt2na.html)
-
Its going to get easier to deal with this Shithole...
Probably a win win for all involved.
I know a bloke that worked at Centrelink for about 18 months a few years ago. Reckons it's the only time in his life he felt seriously depressed and verging on suicidal, no exaggeration.
For obvious reasons there are lots of unhappy and stressed out people that enter through the Centrelink doors and more often than not their anger and frustrations are taken out on the people behind the counters. Verbal and physical assaults were common place. He said the Centrelink IT systems were / are very antiquated, and were slow which made their job difficult. Often they couldn't provide answers to even simple questions because they simply couldn't get the info from the system, or there was some access issue that needed authorisation from someone more senior.
It was just a Shit, demoralising place to work where the majority of 'customers' more often than not left unhappier, than when they walked in. Consequently staff absenteeism is high as is staff turn over, from junior staff through to senior managers and every day felt like they were under staffed to deal with the volume of people. Dealing with agro and irate customers daily, staff very quickly become de-sensitised and had minimal empathy for others. He often wondered whether it would be one of the staff or customers first that would snap one day, and walk through the door firing bullets....
Absolutely soul destroying environment to work in apparently.
-
It was just a Shit, demoralising place to work where the majority of 'customers' more often than not left unhappier, than when they walked in.
I actually thought that was why they were there...
Remember going there decades ago, and they ask for 3 bits of ID from a list, I took 4 bits from their list with me..
Apparently that wasn't good enough for the brain dead zombie.
There is no way.. NO WAY they are there to assist first time you walk in. Its just not possible to be that ****ed up.
You wonder why people wanna beat the **** out of them? I've seen blokes dragged out of the old Caringbah branch by the cops before.. quite funny when you hear the cops say '... we understand'
-
and then there's this below... drag out paying it back on a payment plan and all
That's funny. Sad, but funny.
And that Hanson-Young debt is probably a fraction of what the government spent on private investigators and the like to follow her around and spy on her while she visited those detention camps.
What was the code name they gave her..... 'Raven'.... :|
What a sad joke, that's just another example of the many thousands where our money has been wasted by these clowns. But rather then closing these travel expenses loop holes and trimming the fat off their other perks, they pick on the poor and less fortunate in society.
Now I'm not for a second saying there isn't people ripping of the welfare system. I know there is, I grew up with a career dole bludger, claiming everything he possibly could and still getting away with it for nearly 30 years now.
But sending out letters to innocent people based on flawed algorithms to say; "You stole from us, now prove you're innocent!"
While at the same time in just 6 months those in power are claiming over $55 million in extra benefits from us tax payers.
These letters are going back over 6 years and how much revenue is the gov claiming they get back?
Bet it actually gets them much, much less then 6 years worth of pollies false expenses claims.
There must be some questions asked and answers given.
Hey I know lets have a parliamentary inquiry! They can all compare notes and find the best way to hide from public view how much money they actually waste, so we'll back them up next time they want to pick on the lower society classes.
Its going to get easier to deal with this Shithole...
Guaranteed the robots will be called a success by the gov and rolled out ASAP, regardless of how they actually perform.
Bit like these letters really....
-
My simplistic view of it ...
If the bosses and workers are that incompetent and lost [ overpaid ] 3 billion dollars of tax payers money, they should all be kicked out and should loose all entitlements as punishment .. Right from the Prime Minister for allowing it to happen, all the way to the lowest in the chain of incompetence .
Just the same way as any big CEO and his staff would be by the Directors / investors / share holders of any company .
-
It'll be just like TELSTRA and the robotic AI assisting you with Directory Assistance.
Not that hard to cause it to step aside and hand you on to a real human.
-
Watch the scammers get on the band wagon.
Cheers Glen
-
What a sad joke, that's just another example of the many thousands where our money has been wasted by these clowns. But rather then closing these travel expenses loop holes and trimming the fat off their other perks, they pick on the poor and less fortunate in society.
On that subject, got an e-mail from am mate yesterday:
https://www.change.org/p/stop-mps-wasting-taxpayers-money-on-personal-expenses-federal-corruption-watchdog-now?recruiter=43866863&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive (https://www.change.org/p/stop-mps-wasting-taxpayers-money-on-personal-expenses-federal-corruption-watchdog-now?recruiter=43866863&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive)
Petition to set-up a federal corruption watchdog - they're chasing 150000 names & have ~80000 in 5 days! >:D
-
Petition to set-up a federal corruption watchdog - they're chasing 150000 names & have ~80000 in 5 days! >:D
They could get 110,000,000 signatures, it wont change a ****in thing.
Theres too many high up with too much to lose.
-
For an Anti-corruption watchdog to be set up with decent terms of reference, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY PARLIAMENT!
I rest my case.
-
They could get 110,000,000 signatures, it wont change a ****in thing.
Theres too many high up with too much to lose.
Pretty much what I was thinking
-
Pretty much what I was thinking
cause this is the reason
For an Anti-corruption watchdog to be set up with decent terms of reference, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY PARLIAMENT!
not going to snare yourself are you ??? and they wonder why nobody has respect for them.
-
didn't take long for someone to "come out"...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/19/centrelink-staff-told-not-to-fix-mistakes-in-debt-notices-whistleblower (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/19/centrelink-staff-told-not-to-fix-mistakes-in-debt-notices-whistleblower)
-
didn't take long for someone to "come out"...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/19/centrelink-staff-told-not-to-fix-mistakes-in-debt-notices-whistleblower (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/19/centrelink-staff-told-not-to-fix-mistakes-in-debt-notices-whistleblower)
I cant believe this is happening.
The union says it has independently verified some, but not all, of the whistleblower's allegations while Get-Up pledged on Thursday to heap more pressure on the Coalition to rethink its strategy and will look to open up a legal front in its fight against the robo-debt campaign.
The insider, who has defied public service bosses' threats on leaking against the program, also alleges that Centrelink managers are well aware that bogus debts are being pursued and are ignoring pleas from compliance staff to take a fair approach to the debt recovery process.
"We are struggling with our consciences and pushing back against our leaders daily," the whistleblower wrote.
"We are telling the...helpdesk that what we are doing is wrong.
"I see these reviews every day and I am horrified at what I am being directed to do."
-
Now watch how many people go into a Centrelink office trying to point out to counter staff the error in the letters they got and get irate thinking those staff are fobbing them off...pity there's no one there that can help them. The dept. dealing with this mess is only contactable online or over the phone, there isn't any "Compliance Team" staff in general centres that people can walk in to see, they are at different locations that the public can't meet with.
-
Might have been a bit prophetic or pathetic this one ;D ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpY8nX6A3jk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpY8nX6A3jk)
-
Might have been a bit prophetic or pathetic this one ;D ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpY8nX6A3jk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpY8nX6A3jk)
Gold " Dont cry, we voted Greens"
Cheers Glen
-
Its important that our government saves as much money as it possibly can.
How else can it continue to give Indonesia and other countries billions of dollars for nothing but insults in return?
How can we expect our government to fund even more worthless public service departments without money?
How can they ensure that they can bury their noses deeper and deeper if the feed trough is not constantly filled?
Our grubberment have excelled in the art of trough diving and it has been noted that they are even evolving to have breathing holes in the back of their necks to ensure that they never have to come up.
But
Never will you see them putting any real effort into industry tax avoidance.
Never will multinationals see a tax investigator on their doors.
Never will the mega rich be expected to pay their fair share.
Simply because the brown paper bags might suddenly be in short supply.
We have the most corrupt, narcissistic, bombastic and self centered grubbermnent IN THE WORLD.
The only time a politician or senior public servant improves the world in any way.
Is when they throw off their mortal coils.
Simply having one less of the parasites on the planet, they improve it.
-
We have the most corrupt, narcissistic, bombastic and self centered grubbermnent IN THE WORLD.
The only time a politician or senior public servant improves the world in any way.
Is when they throw off their mortal coils.
Simply having one less of the parasites on the planet, they improve it.
I can understand why people are upset by this latest exploitation of people with little power HOWEVER don't you think you have gone a little over the top??
If you think Australia is this bad then you need to get out more. I can think of a number of places that are a little worse at the moment (North Korea,Somalia, Afghanistan, Sudan, Syria, Russia, Iraq, Pakistan, Turkey etc)
We do no one any favours if we confuse criticism with bigoted attacks on institutions and people that make our country a good place to live.
-
Well said Alan :cup: Not matter what they do some will not be happy. But we are very lucky to live in this wonderful country. Very lucky! Kevin
-
Well said Alan :cup: Not matter what they do some will not be happy. But we are very lucky to live in this wonderful country. Very lucky! Kevin
yes but what does that have to do with wat stabi said?? He hit every nail on the head... just cause other countries are ****ed doesnt make our system or "leaders" worth a pinch of Shit
-
just an update of the situation, i have found out that they think that we owe them money because my wifes previous employer was paying her from their personal bank account not there work account that was linked with the ATO.
so centerlink thinks that she was getting paid for two jobs, not only that they think that she worked for 6 months longer then she did, and they just estimated her income over the last 6 months.
now we are waiting to hear back from centerlink to find out if they have fixed their balls up yet.
What a friggin joke. and as bird said, just because there is worse countries out there, doesn't mean Australia should be one of them. kick all the useless bunch of pricks out and start again.
-
yes but what does that have to do with wat stabi said?? He hit every nail on the head... just cause other countries are ****ed doesnt make our system or "leaders" worth a pinch of Shit
This bit
If you think Australia is this bad then you need to get out more. I can think of a number of places that are a little worse at the moment (North Korea,Somalia, Afghanistan, Sudan, Syria, Russia, Iraq, Pakistan, Turkey etc)
We do no one any favours if we confuse criticism with bigoted attacks on institutions and people that make our country a good place to live.
In relation to this bit
We have the most corrupt, narcissistic, bombastic and self centered grubbermnent IN THE WORLD.
is pretty spot on.
-
The Australian reports Jan26-
'Labor’s attempts to mount a repeat of its discredited Mediscare campaign against Centrelink’s automated debt recovery system have been exposed, with at least two-thirds of those publicly claiming to be victims of Centrelink found to owe significant debts to the taxpayer.
In an embarrassing blunder for the opposition, it has also been revealed that a third of the people used to fuel a media campaign against the government were not subject to the automated system.
An assessment of the 52 cases of people publicly claiming they were being harassed by Centrelink with automated debt notices has revealed that 18 had in fact been identified under a manual system set up by the former Labor government.
The opposition had called for the automated debt recovery program — designed to assist in the recovery of an estimated $4 billion in welfare overpayments — to be suspended. But Labor could not guarantee yesterday that all the so-called victims, whose names it had supplied to the media, were “innocent”.
The assessments, carried out by the Department of Human Services following inquiries by The Australian and requested by the opposition, contradict the majority of the claims of supposed inaccuracies made by the 52 self-identified public cases in which people complained of being victims of the automated system.
The department also confirmed that a number of those who claimed to have been wrongly targeted had in fact accepted that the debt was owed, with some even having entered into repayment programs.
One claimant, seized upon by Labor after being championed in a television program as a victim, was discovered to have been claiming the Youth Allowance while not studying and failing to declare income from several jobs, leading to a debt to the taxpayer of almost $12,000.
Another had been working for a full year but had not declared a job, leading to a welfare repayment debt of $4000.
A woman who claimed to have been wronged had failed to declare income of $37,500 from a small business while on carer and parenting payments. The woman had already entered into a repayment agreement.
Of the 34 self-identified cases subject to the new system, almost 60 per cent had been found to have been overpaid for failing to declare other income or employment. A further 12 per cent who had been found to owe money had asked for a reassessment. The remaining number of aggrieved welfare recipients had not bothered to contact Centrelink.'
-
Hahaha, I love it. There is always more than one side to every story eh....
-
It just gets better and better.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-08/centrelink-debt-recovery-program-senate-committee-investigation/8252898 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-08/centrelink-debt-recovery-program-senate-committee-investigation/8252898)
-
Its important that our government saves as much money as it possibly can.
How else can it continue to give Indonesia and other countries billions of dollars for nothing but insults in return?
How can we expect our government to fund even more worthless public service departments without money?
How can they ensure that they can bury their noses deeper and deeper if the feed trough is not constantly filled?
Our grubberment have excelled in the art of trough diving and it has been noted that they are even evolving to have breathing holes in the back of their necks to ensure that they never have to come up.
But
Never will you see them putting any real effort into industry tax avoidance.
Never will multinationals see a tax investigator on their doors.
Never will the mega rich be expected to pay their fair share.
Simply because the brown paper bags might suddenly be in short supply.
We have the most corrupt, narcissistic, bombastic and self centered grubbermnent IN THE WORLD.
The only time a politician or senior public servant improves the world in any way.
Is when they throw off their mortal coils.
Simply having one less of the parasites on the planet, they improve it.
Have you heard of Zimbabwe?
But yes, I do agree with you. they are self serving grubs......
-
https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2017/feb/21/laughter-on-qa-as-george-brandis-defends-centrelink-video?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-3 (https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2017/feb/21/laughter-on-qa-as-george-brandis-defends-centrelink-video?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-3)
-
yes but what does that have to do with wat stabi said?? He hit every nail on the head... just cause other countries are ****ed doesnt make our system or "leaders" worth a pinch of Shit
Well, he did say "We have the most corrupt, narcissistic, bombastic and self centered grubbermnent IN THE WORLD."
Which is obviously utter tripe.....
-
Just wondering when the 5 dual citizen politicians will be getting their letters demanding that they pay back the salaries??
Seems the only thing to do now that it has been proven in the highest court in the land that they all have made false claims and effectively stolen these wages from us tax payers.....
-
Just wondering when the 5 dual citizen politicians will be getting their letters demanding that they pay back the salaries??
Seems the only thing to do now that it has been proven in the highest court in the land that they all have made false claims and effectively stolen these wages from us tax payers.....
I will preface this to say that I am non political and my only hope is that the elected representatives have the balls to have a dig.
I would disagree that the 5 should be forced to hand back the salary paid. They were "employed" to do a job, and for what it is worth did that job. For instance, Barnaby Joyce never knowingly committed to the role thinking " hey this is illegal but I will see if I can get away with it".
"Everywhere I go, the overwhelming sentiment in the New England is people are saying: 'How could you be born in the Tamworth Base Hospital, where your great grandmother was born in Tamworth, where your great grandfather was born in Glen Innes, where you served in the Australian Army Reserves and somehow you are not an Australian? I mean, does that work?'" Mr Joyce told RN.
He never knowingly stole that salary. He committed to the role and had a dig.
It seems a farcical situation that someone can serve and be payed to be a ADF member yet can't serve on our Parliment. A throw back to our Colonial days.
I don't think you would expect to repay a salary if found through unknowingly being in-eligible for a job.
-
Is that for entire time they have been a polly or just since the election ;D ;D Some go back at least 9 odd years as a Polly ..
Lets not mention all the other costs too, secretary / office / office refurbishment / travel and accomodation / living away from home / gold card medical and amongst other things Superannuation perks .
Wasnt there something in the paper work they had to fill out and sign to become a polly about the heritage of your family and had show that you you taken all reasonable steps to find out if you could be a dual citizen or not .. and thats why all 7 judges of the high court dumped them because they hadnt ?
-
I do agree it's a throw back to older times.... BUT, rules is rules.
It was 100% their responsibility to confirm for 100% that they didn't hold any other rights to other countries. They all knew that when they ran for their positions.
Just as apparently every other normal citizen should know every single rule about taxation and be 100% responsible if they ever happen to claim payment that where perhaps not entitled to.
As the pollies told those dole bluggers, ignorance is no excuse....
-
I do agree it's a throw back to older times.... BUT, rules is rules.
It was 100% their responsibility to confirm for 100% that they didn't hold any other rights to other countries. They all knew that when they ran for their positions.
Just as apparently every other normal citizen should know every single rule about taxation and be 100% responsible if they ever happen to claim payment that where perhaps not entitled to.
As the pollies told those dole bluggers, ignorance is no excuse....
That's Totally correct, until it involves the Pollies themselves.
-
The pay back period would then be dependant of when did they become ineligible.
When do their decisions start becoming dicey?
This is where the experts are divided.
Labor's advice, from Matthew Collins QC (who represented actress Rebel Wilson in her recent defamation case) and Matthew Albert QC, reckons it comes three months after they were sworn in as ministers — October 20, 2016.
But constitutional experts such as Professor Anne Twomey from the University of Sydney and Professor George Williams from the University of New South Wales seem to disagree with the Opposition.
They argue it's more likely challenges could be allowed against decisions made after Mr Joyce and Ms Nash were under a dual citizenship cloud.
Until then, they had the apparent authority to act as ministers. After those revelations, their authority was questionable.
That would mean the date for Mr Joyce is August 14, 2017 and for Ms Nash it would be August 17, 2017.
-
Wonder what the penalties for making a false declarations on official government documents at the state and federal level are ...
Reckon if it was you or I, we would be cowering in the corner of a Long Bay 8 x 6 one window holiday unit hoping not to meet Ben Dover .
-
I do agree it's a throw back to older times.... BUT, rules is rules.
It was 100% their responsibility to confirm for 100% that they didn't hold any other rights to other countries. They all knew that when they ran for their positions.
Just as apparently every other normal citizen should know every single rule about taxation and be 100% responsible if they ever happen to claim payment that where perhaps not entitled to.
As the pollies told those dole bluggers, ignorance is no excuse....
Every citizen is not expected to know every rule regarding taxation. They are expected to truthfully complete their taxation responsibility. For some with complex affairs they can entrust accountants to assist. Entrusting an accountant does not obsolve the tax payers obligation.
Every citizen, particularly receiving benefit provided by me and other tax payers are expected to report their situation.
It is a bit hard to expect that all folk would know there infinite heritage or reciprocal citizenship entitlements.
With regards politicians taking salaries, I have more issue with a representative receiving protection and salary whilst facing criminal charges for stealing Union members money to satisfy their desires and then being found guilty.
But hey that wouldn't happen.
-
https://www.ancestry.com.au ;)
My mum can tell you both sides of my family trees going back to about 1735. If you've got a spare 30 hours or so she'll happily tell you all about them.... ;D
But I'm clearly just having a dig here.
Just pointing out another little bit of hypocrisy between these 2 cases of claiming things you're not entitled to.
Obviously it's just bad luck for these hard working politicians that they didn't do their due diligence before applying for a position they where ineligible to hold... ;)
-
https://www.ancestry.com.au (https://www.ancestry.com.au) ;)
My mum can tell you both sides of my family trees going back to about 1735. If you've got a spare 30 hours or so she'll happily tell you all about them.... ;D
I too can provide a history of both my paternal and maternal family trees, both sides are from the original boat people's. In fact my fathers sides story is in print in the State Library. I am descendant to a black slave who found his way via a free trip to Australia on the first fleet. My descendant was Gov Phillips own non-indigenise black fellow working on Elizabeth Farm, who done good and ended up with his own land grant on his pardon.
In saying that I don't have a clue if I have any entitlement to citzenship to another country. Like Barnaby I was born to Australian parents who were children of Australian born parents.
-
Don't quite understand all the carry-on about decisions now being illegal, & possibly challenging everything that's been voted on by these "foreigners" :D
It's written up in the Rules for Associations etc that even if it turns out that somebody shouldn't have been on the Committee, then anything that happened while they were is still OK.
Just for the sake of it, I looked it up:
"28 Acts not affected by defects or disqualifications
(1) An act performed by the management committee, a subcommittee or a person acting as a member of the management committee is taken to have been validly performed.
(2) Subrule (1) applies even if the act was performed when—
(a) there was a defect in the appointment of a member of the management committee, subcommittee or person acting as a member of the management committee; or
(b) a management committee member, subcommittee member or person acting as a member of the management committee was disqualified from being a member."
If something like that is specified for the operation of every little 2-bit Association in Oz, then wouldn't something similar apply to actually running the Country ???
-
Challenging past decisions is a complete waste of money yet again...get on with doing something constructive for the country's good instead. No wonder so many people think our pollies are useless knobs, they are only concerned about political point scoring rather then setting our country up for the future ::) ::)
-
Challenging past decisions is a complete waste of money yet again...get on with doing something constructive for the country's good instead. No wonder so many people think our pollies are useless knobs, they are only concerned about political point scoring rather then setting our country up for the future ::) ::)
Agree, Rumpig. Just time wasting rather than doing something worthwile.