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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jakster1 on July 22, 2016, 07:02:24 PM
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Hi everybody,
So I am currently trying to sell my soft floor johnnos off-road deluxe and are having no luck at all, I have had one guy offer half of what I'm asking, and after speaking to the local jayco mob I could get more from a dealer as a trade in.
Going off gumtree and caravancampingsales i am similarly or better priced to others, same make, model, condition sort of thing.
Now I see a lot of "ABC" branded campers for sale for 5-6 grand that advertise "with all the fruit".
How can you compete with that?
Are people still buying good quality Australian made for more $$$ or has the import market stuffed that segment?
Has anyone actually had any luck selling a good quality camper for reasonable price? Or did you have to give a big discount to compete with the el cheapo " off-road camper with all the fruit".
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It's definitely a buyers market especially now with every 4wd mag partnering up with multiple camper trailer manufacturers and convincing new players this is what you 'need'.
I haven't sold one but I bought a 100% Australian made camper for a ridiculously low price, most people I've spoken to that own an 'ABC' camper don't even know the difference between Australian and imported, had one even try to tell me his bright blue tent was Australian Canvas cause that's what the salesman told him.
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Set your price & stick to it . lts your to sell not theres to take .
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My soft floor was on the market for over 18 months for all the reasons mentioned about ABC being the same as my 2nd unit.
In the end one of my nephews bought it after looking at Shit for the same price as my custom aussie one.
Good luck with it but it's a struggle to compete against misinformation.
Steve
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Good thread Jakster. I bought my Aussie made camper 18 months ago and looked at both new Chinese options and second hand Aussie campers around $15k and a couple of older Kimberley Kampers around $20k. It was hard to go past the allure of a shiny new Ecomate (GIC and MDC were similar prices too) hard floor with "all the fruit" for the same money we paid for our 6 year old soft floor camper.
We've had a good time with our camper, and it's done a few trips including the Cape with no dramas. Actually, I had to replace a shockie after a rubber bush failed on the PDR corrugations. $100 for a new set of shocks. No biggie. I'll never know if a Chinese camper would have coped with the trips we've done.
I'm reluctantly trying to sell ours now, but I think the market has gotten even worse since we bought it and I fully expect it to be a battle. If it doesn't sell, and I won't be giving it away, I'm tempted to mod it to become something like a Drifta DOT gear trailer as that's the sort of thing I'd go for next time around. My wife wants a caravan, but that's a whole 'nother story....
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All depends how urgent u wanna sell it... if your happy to take cheaper now then do it.. or ask top $ and wait 12 months - then sell ut for the chealer price in the end anyway..
There was a KK on here 2yrs forsale.. but he was asking phone numbers for the price...
The market will determine the price... lucky ding has ****ed the market. But this subject has been done numerous times... your not alone.
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how long has it been for sale?
If your that keen too move on then take the hit and trade it in...
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Sounds like a tough market for this kind of thing for anyone in the same boat. And it's correct that Most people don't know or care about the difference between good quality Aussie built and cheap imported crap.
I am keen to sell, however don't want to give it away, but, I do have a big trip planned in November and want to get the new jayco camper by then. That gives me 3 and a bit months to sell and buy.
Mine has only been for sale a few weeks but there has been ZERO genuine interest.
We bought it new 2 years ago and didn't expect to be selling so soon, but things change as they do so its time to move on. Looks like I'll be taking a fair $$$ hit either way, hopefully someone sees the value in it and snaps it up.
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Are you on the fAcebook sites mate, that's where I sold my Jayco in 15 mins
Swannie
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Are you on the fAcebook sites mate, that's where I sold my Jayco in 15 mins
Swannie
Yep, the local camping, buy swap and sell pages and camper trailer ones... No hits there either.
Which page did you use?
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I think it's caravan and camping fit swap sell has 107,000 members
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Interesting read.. I too am in the same situation.. Basically a very well looked after and lightly used Johnno evolution with a lot of extras including boat rack etc and a genuine reason for sale as we are off around oz and need a caravan.. I must have spent close to $35k a few years ago with all the additions and extras and grown to love it.
Put the ad on gumtree a few weeks ago for $26k negotiable and zero interest not even an enquiry.. So looks like I'll have to drop a lot more to even get a bite or I might just store for a year.
I do think the Chinese cheaper imports have a lot to do with it and the fact that the booms are over there isn't that much disposable cash around.
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I am on the buy side at the moment and unfortunately i am budget limited to $5000. Not rushing into it.
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You need to look at wat else 26k will get you... jaycos... KKs...etc etc.
I think yours is a soft floor... i think youll struggle to get half that... it would be a very specific buyer to spend 20k on a used softy instead of a KK...
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It's just not campers either.
Dirt bikes and jet skis are also affected.
Try selling a good jap bikes for kids when you can buy a Wang King import bike for $500.
Or sell a 18month old Seadoo GTS when you can buy a brand new plastic Spark for less.
I've given up on selling now. I'm now a hoarder.
Instead of giving my Shit away, we are going to keep what ever we have when we upgrade. It's going to make a nice toy collection. They don't cost anything siting in the shed.
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We had a 2012 Lifestyle Walkthrough (with their imported canvas tent) that was used once when we purchased a Junco Eagle.
We tried to sell it, I was very close to keeping it and having the best of both worlds since we owned them.
Same issue, I'd get some dude offer less than half (sale price was only $9000) with a justification of they can buy a brand new Yum Cha model for less.
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Timing might have a lot to do with it.
Trying to sell a camper trailer in the dead of winter when only the hard core go camping will be difficult. Maybe hold on to it until the peak camping season when there are a few long weekends coming up ?
When it came time to sell my old Cub, I put up for sale in Feb/March to capitalize on the long weekends and people wanting one for the Easter break..........sold in 2 weeks with no haggling over price.
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I think it's the sign of the times.
A lot of Aussie's are doing it tough these days. High cost of living puts a dent in a lot of markets. Most people are on a strict budget and want value for money......................quality is in the eye of the beholder.
I'm in the market to buy a camper at the moment. I was lucky only to lose $1000 selling my last 2002 Jayco OB Finch after purchase price and all the modding to a family that knew what they were buying.
This time my strategy is the same, to buy something that holds its value and is a bit rarer BUT to purchase the camper in great condition with at least 90% of mods already done it's cheaper that way and time is on my side this time.
I'm waiting for late spring to hit as the market traditionally gets flooded by then and the prices get better.
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I have bought and sold a few campers, including selling my Vista recently. To sell a camper you need to get one (at least) person to see it. The challenge is convincing someone it is worth viewing. All my camper sales had just one viewer. Good quality photographs are absolutely essential.
If your yard or driveway is not suitable and you don't have photographs taken in a camping location, take it to a local park/reserve/open area and photograph it extensively. Phone shots (I know many will not agree) will not have the desired quality in my opinion.
Once you have a viewer you must establish his/her viability and have a plan. You cannot let the 'right person' escape. For example solar panels and fridge could be a sweetener that could swing the deal. I know the Engel might be your prized possession, however if you REALLY want to sell you may have to compromise.
Good luck with the sale.
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You need to look at wat else 26k will get you... jaycos... KKs...etc etc.
I think yours is a soft floor... i think youll struggle to get half that... it would be a very specific buyer to spend 20k on a used softy instead of a KK...
You are probably right, however it is in fantastic condition, Aussie made etc.. I am also thinking it's the wrong time of the year to sell.. It's only 15deg c today.. I wouldn't be looking at buying a camper in this weather!
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I wouldn't be looking at buying a camper in this weather!
I would ........................If I thought I could get a bargain.
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If only Toyota made campers, they'd hold their value real well :)
It is not just campers, I can't even sell at a give away price a top quality NZ canvas touring tent.
The consumer society we live in and the race to the bottom with price, and therefore quality, has killed the 2nd hand market for sellers, good if you're a buyer though.
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The old adage of it's only worth what people are willing to pay for it is always true. Time of year can have an effect on it but I think the days of camper trailers holding high value are well in the past. Maybe look at what $15,000 will buy you in the new import market as that is probably what the real competition is, most people will pay a premium for Quality Australian made but not a whole lot. You also have to take into account the "showroom tax" which can be high and I think is the bigger issue than the Aussie vs import effect, My trailer was used once 6 moths old and I got it for almost 40% less than the purchase price.
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If only Toyota made campers, they'd hold their value real well :)
in a way they do... they're called a Tvan. With 2002 models still selling for $22k
I've never seen a trailer sell for more than it cost... 15 years after it was manufactured.
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Just listed one this week. So far no bites but have started to spread the field to get a bit more bait out for buyers. I believe i have given the old Tambo every chance to sell and with a great price that makes it attractive.
Its not really the season to be selling either but you have to start some time.
GG
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The dead of winter??? This is the BEST time of the year for camping here in central and north QLD. Absolutely perfect weather, 26 and sunny days and a comfortable 16 at night.
Someone should come up and buy my camper and use it while they're here.👍🍻
I checked out some of the import stuff online today and $15g will get you a brand new hard floor camper, with everything!! DOH!
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I've never seen a trailer sell for more than it cost... 15 years after it was manufactured.
We sold our TrakShak for more than we paid new, after 7 years of use.
:cheers:
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We sold our TrakShak for more than we paid new, after 7 years of use.
:cheers:
We sold our 4.2 GU Patrol for more than what we paid for it.....Ok so its not a camper, Im just saying ;D
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The consumer society we live in and the race to the bottom with price, and therefore quality, has killed the 2nd hand market for sellers, good if you're a buyer though.
Jamie has hit the nail on the head here.
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cars/4wds are probably a different 'kettle of fish' but I sold my 20-yr old pajero recently after having it on the market for nearly six months - I had dropped the price from around 15% above others of similar age/spec to around 5% above it but in the end the right buyer literally came through town and didn't try to talk me down as it was in quite good condition for its age with a few nice extras as I imagine your camper would be. I do suspect they had an 'agent' in town who had seen it and perhaps saw the price drop but almost as soon as they saw it and began to discover more little 'nice extras' they almost bought it on the spot
I guess what I'm thinking is the right buyer will be out there with their eye on all the extras and mods and its amazing what a little price drop can do if they've been watching
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I always like the expression" I am not giving it away"
Perceived value will always be different between the seller and buyer.
As mentioned Always get great pics of what your selling. If you have to pay someone to take the photos.
It depends also on how long you want to wait to get your price. It could take months or over a year.
Listen to the maket and you will achieve a sale. Yes, there will always be bargain hunters out there.
Mark
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I do have a big trip planned in November and want to get the new jayco camper by then. That gives me 3 and a bit months to sell and buy.
This is where your in could be in trouble...
Have you ordered the Jayco?
The difference in Wanting to sell and Needing to sell to pay for the new toy..
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Photos are a big draw card.
I've started to slowly look at Jayco Swans and seem good and bad pics. Looking at a van that doesn't have the bag end flys set up makes me think that either these are lazy photos or worse a lazy owner/user.
For a camper trailer I would have pics of all 4 sides packed up, maybe attached to the car.
Then set up, then with annex. All the canvas nice and tight. And good inside shots with good lighting so it looks warm and inviting. If you have camping shots then get rid of the excess clutter as it likes like there is no storage room. When you have your pics sit back and think "would I buy that?"
Basically you are trying to sell a dream holiday.
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Photos are a big draw card.
I've started to slowly look at Jayco Swans and seem good and bad pics. Looking at a van that doesn't have the bag end flys set up makes me think that either these are lazy photos or worse a lazy owner/user.
For a camper trailer I would have pics of all 4 sides packed up, maybe attached to the car.
Then set up, then with annex. All the canvas nice and tight. And good inside shots with good lighting so it looks warm and inviting. If you have camping shots then get rid of the excess clutter as it likes like there is no storage room. When you have your pics sit back and think "would I buy that?"
Basically you are trying to sell a dream holiday.
Absolutely, the message given by poor photographs is enough to scare away many or even most potential buyers.
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Just listed one this week. So far no bites but have started to spread the field to get a bit more bait out for buyers. I believe i have given the old Tambo every chance to sell and with a great price that makes it attractive.
I think there are a lot more in the market for $5K used soft floors than $15K.
I checked out some of the import stuff online today and $15g will get you a brand new hard floor camper, with everything!! DOH!
So you need to show/communicate why yours is better than those for the same price. I'd make sure I included something like "cost $22,000 (or whatever it was) still like brand new"
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It works both ways. Recently purchased a 2010 Trackabout for a real good price; so I have dropped my 2009 Trackabout to a good price. I have a trade up figure that I believe will be achievable. On the market for a few months now, a few tyre kickers and 2 couples interested enough to look at it last weekend and next weekend. In no rush, worst case, it will be the best built box trailer doing round trips to the tip and the builders merchants.
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This is where your in could be in trouble...
Have you ordered the Jayco?
The difference in Wanting to sell and Needing to sell to pay for the new toy..
I will get a near new, hardly used one, a few years old and save 5-10 grand.
I always seem to be the one getting hit with the initial depreciation so someone else can wear it this time.
There is always a few available from what I have seen just might have to travel a bit but that's ok.
Same goes for Selling a second hand jayco or almost anything I suppose, someone has to take a $$ hit somewhere along the line.
I don't necessarily "need" to sell but i think the kisses would kill me if we had 2 campers sitting in the shed.
I'm not in a super hurry to changeover-but it would be nice to have the jayco for our trip as we will be doing a few overnighters in different places. But whatever, if we still have the soft floor then that wil be what we take.
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I think there are a lot more in the market for $5K used soft floors than $15K.
Got that right! And some of the $5k ones look pretty well setup and have a lot of extras too. Maybe not quite the same quality, but what does average joe know.....
So you need to show/communicate why yours is better than those for the same price. I'd make sure I included something like "cost $22,000 (or whatever it was) still like brand new"
I have quoted replacement new cost, but as you say, the 5k soft floor market is larger than the 15k market so it takes a lot of convincing.
Having a Think about it, for a lot of family's that do 1 or 2 trips a year, 5 grand Would get you a pretty bloody good tent let alone 15grand for essentially the same thing.
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I wonder if the fairly rapid change in the market place has caught some out.
If campers, from cheapest to dearest, range from soft floor to hard floor to hybrids - the recent availability of cheaper and better quality hard floors, that seem to be adequate for most customers, has meant that the perceived value of soft floors has reduced, the value of hard floors has reduced and now hybrids are under threat from the likes of MDC's overseas manufactured / locally assembled hybrid offerings. Each level places a price ceiling on the value of the range underneath it with few exceptions.
So purchasers of mid to high end soft floors and hard floors seem to be hit by a perception (or reality) that their campers are over priced. Thinking here of CC soft floors and KK hard floors and similar. The exception being the ever diminishing group of customers that appreciate the value of strongly engineered products.
Extrapolate this forward a few years and will the same happen with hybrids?
TC
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I wonder if the fairly rapid change in the market place has caught some out.
If campers, from cheapest to dearest, range from soft floor to hard floor to hybrids - the recent availability of cheaper and better quality hard floors, that seem to be adequate for most customers, has meant that the perceived value of soft floors has reduced, the value of hard floors has reduced and now hybrids are under threat from the likes of MDC's overseas manufactured / locally assembled hybrid offerings. Each level places a price ceiling on the value of the range underneath it with few exceptions.
So purchasers of mid to high end soft floors and hard floors seem to be hit by a perception (or reality) that their campers are over priced. Thinking here of CC soft floors and KK hard floors and similar. The exception being the ever diminishing group of customers that appreciate the value of strongly engineered products.
Extrapolate this forward a few years and will the same happen with hybrids?
TC
I remember when I first started looking years ago and the price for used campers was ridiculous and thinking they were too expensive for me to justify. This is the kind of environment that made it quite easy for importers to get a foothold, in comparison to China, Australia is far too expensive labour wise for low-tech manufacturing to compete. I think there has also been a reasonable improvement in the quality of the imports which has also added to this, they still have a way to go but just like the "Jap Crap" cars of a few decades ago soon surpassed and have now supplanted the local manufacturers I think that campers will also, to a large degree follow.
I can't see any reason why it won't (probably already is) happen with the hybrids.
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I can't see any reason why it won't (probably already is) happen with the hybrids.
but I don't see the appeal in these things.. $70k gets you something you cant swing a flea in...
Looking at the 2005 model thing that Yogi just bought for 1/2 that price... With luxuries.
(http://industrysales.li.csnstatic.com/caravancamping/general/content/gc5181421704291630038.jpg)
That's a lot of fuel... or even a KK for mid 20k's... more than enough for most.
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As others have said, there are a couple of points to make a sale easier:
- Pictures: Good pictures, well composed with everything clean and tidy. When ever I've sold cars I've always taken them to somewhere away from home (only 10mins or so) but with a nice background and good lighting. Worked my way round taking side, both front quarters side and both rear quarters. I'd be doing the same to sell a trailer, both with the tent packed away and set up. May sound like a lot of work, but it can pay dividends in the interest you get and the questions you get asked.
- Where you advertise it: In one case selling my car it was right place, right time as someone walked past it and saw the advert in the window. Other times it's been a slower process, but again right advert right place... My trailer came from Gumtree found on an Australia wide search.
- Sell it the old fashioned way: Feature... Benefit. So many people just sell on a feature point, but don't always mention why that feature is worth a premium
- Price it a little high, and expect people to low ball you. That seems to be the norm - when I sold my Land Cruiser I was chasing 9K for it... someone offered me $4k... I got $8500 in the end for it after advertising at the right place. Sort of sad I did in a way... I go in with a target price (either side of the deal) and I know what I'd like to get which is where I often end up near
- Time of year: As others have said, now is the buyers market, but not the sellers market... as soon as people get closer to the holidays, or come back from them and want a new ______ or one like they saw, then they'll buy...
- Imports will make a difference: This comes back to feature benefits; we know what the benefits are in a decent camper, but Joe Public doesn't - I see the $5k campers get snapped up locally; my $2k box trailer with independent suspension not so quick (but I still had to be quick to get it)
One that I've not mentioned (mainly because I don't know how it would work) is finance - how many people can put down $25k or so in cash without needing to take finance out for it? As a private seller/purchaser it's not going to be quite as easy as buying from a dealer to organise finance.
And the final one... one that someone else alluded to is the shift in spending by some who in the past had a higher disposable income and ran up the never-never a bit on toys... expensive trailers are one of those things that look flash on the driveway, but if that flash can be done for less, then they are likely to try that option...
Hope that helps, and good luck with the sale; we've got a friend with a Johnno's and it looks really good with lots of nice features... just about 400kg too heavy for us and about $20k too expensive!
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Hey Jakster,
I am not sure where on the Central Coast you are but my Real Estate contacts aren't having much fun with selling real estate in the major regional centres like Gladstone, Rocky, Bundy etc since the mining boom stopped so I think you are probably dealing in an immediate market that is not flush with cash or the ability to go an extend a home loan to buy toys.
Perhaps advertising it on the Sunshine Coast, Brisbane, Gold Coast markets might work better for you, even though distance is a tyranny someone may be willing to drive up and pay for it.
The above three regions are back into a boom period with constantly increasing real estate values, fairly high levels of population growth and employment.
My thoughts on the secondhand market reflect most of the opinions presented and whilst not a camper purchase I have recently bought a boat after a good 12 months of looking at secondhand boats from Maryborough to Brisbane. What did find was that sellers generally had the opinion that the market would overlook the faults of the product and a buyer wouldn't factor the cost of a repair / upgrade into any purchase.
What pushed me over the line to pay more than my budget for a new boat as opposed to a secondhand boat was the fact that I saw a secondhand boat that I liked for sale for $38K it was in fairly good condition but was 5 years old, and the motor had about 80 hours on it. The seller would not budge on price. I bought new for $46k. No hours, warranty, new boat smell etc etc. So for an extra $8k I got the piece of mind of buying new.
I think with all the new shiny trailers on the market that significant depreciation needs to be factored in to any purchase that you make when selling
The market has changed, it used to be fairly common to walk into a any manufacturer and have a wait time of 3 to 6 months. Now only the premium brands can expect that.
I also think that with the internet these days buyers are much much more aware of a product before they even approach a seller, and as such know more about what something, anything, is worth.
Before I made my purchase I was peppering the CT market with offers and the responses I was getting were quite surprising, I would offer $5k on a trailer asking $10K plus and getting reasonably positive responses. The only trailer I really would have bought though was the trailer Evo was selling for his father. It was asking $6k and new they are closer to $25k.
Some selling tips:
Professional Photography, talk to your local newspaper and ask to speak to their photographer, you will be surprised what their photographer will do for a box of beer and professional photography makes a Shit load of difference in comparison to the every day hacker.
List every feature section by section. Do it to the point the you almost overload the buyer with information. This serves a number of points the main ones being that the buyer has as much information as they can possibly get and only have to ask you limited questions at the inspection and it shows that you love it as well, even if you don't anymore.
Don't embelish, but talk it up.
Give them a reason to buy. Why are you selling, you need to give them a hook to sink their teeth into.
I wouldn't say to much about the fact that it cost $35k new, yeah mention it, but don't make it a headliner as all you are doing is challenging the buyer to discount it more.
Timing. I sold my CT in February, and I thought that might have been a bit late, but what I realised was that people had been tent camping over summer and had got the Shits with it, seen a bunch of people enjoying CT's and got themselves into the mindset of wanting to be in one of them.
I don't think places like ebay are great for selling either. Too much competition these days from new crap and definitely price specific buyers. I bought my CT on ebay for $4600 from a desperate seller, spent $1k on it and sold for $8K on gumtree.
Cheers Nomad.
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All markets are moving their average price as the world gets smaller. Countries with economies of scale in manufacturing found new markets in Australia when the dollar went up. American boats have crueled local manufacturers, grey import cars, Chinese goods.... Any cottage retailers have found it extremely difficult to compete.
If you own a high end product which is well patronised and has an ever increasing purchase price, your second hand price will also get dragged up - making you money against the market, but not essentially against replacement cost. Cruise craft boats have always done this if looked after as an example. The camper market was good to local cottage manufacturers for a long time but something so easily replicated (and expensive for what it is) was always going to be a target for a mass producer.
Anybody here a dental technician? Another example of an industry stripped bare by overseas competition. Only the high end ones are surviving.
Getting anything like what the op is asking imho is going to be a mission. Good luck though.
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Consider contacting where you bought it from and enquire about them selling it through consignment, that way it will better target the market you are chasing. A unit that presents in as good condition as yours will look pretty attractive to a new buyer if it is selling for several thousand cheaper sitting side by side with the new ones.
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The problem I've found with campers/vans being sold on consignment is that they are over market value so the seller makes % commision.
In the past 2 months I've offered market value on a few vans being sold on consignment and never has it been accepted and they're still for sale today.
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I don't think places like ebay are great for selling either. Too much competition these days from new crap and definitely price specific buyers. I bought my CT on ebay for $4600 from a desperate seller, spent $1k on it and sold for $8K on gumtree.
I think it can go either way with eBay, I think if you want to sell something start with a 99c start and no reserve, I have had things listed on ebay with a reserve of what I wanted for weeks and weeks with no bites, drop the reserve, 99c start and it sold for more than it had been listed previously, this has happened on a few occasions now. It is against eBay's conditions to have a dummy bidder(s) pushing up the price but it sure helps Just be prepared for the exorbitant cut they want on big dollar items.
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It's a hard situation for me, to settle for what ever you can get & take the loss on the chin or hold out for the right person if you're competitive with similar sellers? I'm not sure what I'd do if selling to be honest, but from the outside, I'd be hanging on to it & still enjoying it while I had it.
Most people seem to want cheaply built stuff, but there are some that would still prefer to pay extra for good quality stuff that lasts.
The other thing is, there's just not a lot of money out there at the moment so you have a smaller group to advertise to for that reason also.
As a guy that has absolutely no interest in a hard floor camper, I'd be willing to pay that price for a good soft floor, surely I'm not the only one out there.
I think it all depends on how fast you want it moved on. Good luck with it though, it's a nice camper
Listo
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I have a mate who, when he buys something, he always goes for the top line stuff. But he always buys new as a secondhand unit may have issues therefore he wouldn't be buying the best - his words. Just another way to look at it.
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The problem I've found with campers/vans being sold on consignment is that they are over market value so the seller makes % commision.
In the past 2 months I've offered market value on a few vans being sold on consignment and never has it been accepted and they're still for sale today.
Interesting. I wonder if they are obligated to / or do pass all offers onto the seller like real estate agents do. Would put me off selling on consignment as I imagine they couldn't care less about the sellers situation as long as they are getting turnover.
Like anything there would be a few bad apples dragging the whole concept perception down I imagine
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I've sold a couple of tinnies through consignment and you basically discuss a realistic dollar figure with consideration of the salesmans cut and when an offer is made you get a phone call saying there's an offer that will put x amount in your hand and you accept it or not. By having something sitting in a yard you get possibly hundreds of potential buyers walking past it instead of hoping to get one or two people ringing you up about it. In jaksters case I reckon his market is mostly going to specifically be chasing that brand of trailer so consignment could be a worthwhile consideration.
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There is one other thing that camper trailer and caravan owners have a nasty habit of.
That is getting overly emotionally attached to your camper
Just because you paid 10 for it then put another 20k of mods and time in it does not mean that i am going to pay 30k for your camper.
I don't care if you put a hot tub in it i refuse to pay more for a second had camper when i can get the same model new for the same or cheaper price (yes Jayco and Goldstream owners im looking at you)
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There is one other thing that camper trailer and caravan owners have a nasty habit of.
That is getting overly emotionally attached to your camper
Just because you paid 10 for it then put another 20k of mods and time in it does not mean that i am going to pay 30k for your camper.
I don't care if you put a hot tub in it i refuse to pay more for a second had camper when i can get the same model new for the same or cheaper price (yes Jayco and Goldstream owners im looking at you)
^^ this!
I see the same thing with used Prados. I don't care if they're highway miles and it's got a bonnet protector and weather shields... I'm not paying $50+k for your 3 year old GXL with 95,000km on it that's just out of warranty...
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Like Grampa's old tools, they just don't make them like they did. Now you by a drill for $20
Campers have come down so much these days and will continue to. With the supply and demand the market is ripe with so cheap deals why would you pay top dollar in something that in today's market won't hold it's value.
I brought a $20,000 one and could replace it 3 times in a lifetime to buying one Kimberly Kamper. Well every 4 years sell it for $5000 I could buy 4 in a lifetime and the new technology that will be added every year, why buy a brick for life :-)
Once you have gone through the teething problems and fixed it up, just as good as.
Don't over capitalize on your campers, they just don't hold their value. I talked to a bloke who paid $24,000 two years ago and can't get $16,000 for it now. Why pay $16,000 secondhand when you can buy a new one, 5yrs warranty and heaps of extras for $20,000
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I don't care if you put a hot tub in it i refuse to pay more for a second had camper when i can get the same model new for the same or cheaper price (yes Jayco and Goldstream owners im looking at you)
it is funny when you see ~2007 models listed amongst the 2013 models..
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I don't care if you put a hot tub in it i refuse to pay more for a second had camper when i can get the same model new for the same or cheaper price (yes Jayco and Goldstream owners im looking at you)
But they seem to buy them >:D
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.... i refuse to pay more for a second had camper when i can get the same model new for the same or cheaper price (yes Jayco and Goldstream owners im looking at you)
Not quite the same thing, but......
....when we were selling our TrakShak, one caller abused me for asking more for it than we'd paid.
He seemed to think that was unfair, and was quite vocal about it.
Never mind that the price of the new units had taken off in the mean time. I doubt he'd ever get one.
Expecting people to sell at a price that suits your budget will probably lead to disappointment.
We sold the TrakShak a couple of weeks later. It was a classic case of "first to see will buy".... ;D
:cheers:
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sold a Travelander SlideOn in the Trading Post . .. more or less got back the same dosh that I had bought the thing for . ...
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I just bought a full Aussie made 'River gum' with extras 2 years old hardly used for 4k, their 9k + new so theyve taken a big hit. Would much rather a 2nd hand Aussie made one than a brand new import!
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I think I found your add on caravan and camping sales.. I sold a Johnnos evolution, spent a lot of time on the photos but I found the extras I offered helped get a reasonably quick sale as others have suggested.
From memory I also included the fridge, solar panels, hot water (which it came with anyway) and all my extensive electrical mods... I also cleaned the thing extensively and repainted the drawbar to remove all the stone chips, spent a weekend or 3 getting it 'sale ready' It certainly helped..
I've just bought a new camper, hopefully it will be at least 20 years before the full caravan is required and another sale is required.
Best of luck with your sale.