Post by: steelman on September 07, 2015, 07:03:43 PM
Post by: Vitara_JaycoSwift_Outback on September 07, 2015, 07:10:46 PM
Post by: scarpsD40 on September 07, 2015, 07:10:48 PM
How old are family members? If 2A & 2K, then should be ok. If 4A's or close too, then you're probably maxing out load carrying capacity and a Paj might be better
Post by: steelman on September 07, 2015, 07:30:13 PM
Post by: Swannie on September 07, 2015, 07:33:28 PM
Swannie
Post by: Beefa Toyota on September 07, 2015, 07:39:53 PM
My missus has a Rav 4 of which we tow our camper trailer, does it no worries, I would recommend the 2.5 litre petrol as it has a tow rating of 1500 kg
Cheers Beefa
Post by: JusyApples on September 07, 2015, 07:45:24 PM
Post by: steelman on September 07, 2015, 07:47:09 PM
Considered everything, liked the Klugers and also Ford Territory, haven't heard a bad thing about either really.
Post by: steelman on September 07, 2015, 07:51:21 PM
Post by: Vitara_JaycoSwift_Outback on September 07, 2015, 08:08:10 PM
Yep liked Forrester too. Really our issue is picking that sized car, Rav/ Forrester/ xtrail with Kluger/Outlander and Paj because I happened across one of them. Everyone seems happy towing with a Rav just not sure if we will fit all of us and our stuff.
I traded my Suzi for a Kluger, love it!! heaps of leg room in the back for growing kids. My 6 foot 4 Dad has enough room to sit in the back. Very comfortable for long touring but a little petrol thirsty around town.
Post by: scblack on September 07, 2015, 08:23:08 PM
Post by: steelman on September 07, 2015, 08:45:35 PM
Post by: dazzler on September 07, 2015, 09:45:54 PM
Usual fantastic Toyota quality and reliability.
The AWD system is nowhere near as good as the Subaru's asymmetrical layout.
I would go Forester or Liberty just for the 4wd system. (youtube has some interesting stuff on the benefits)
Post by: steelman on September 07, 2015, 10:32:39 PM
Post by: Big Damo on September 07, 2015, 10:41:45 PM
Post by: prodigyrf on September 08, 2015, 01:32:56 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_X-Trail
very roomy for the 4 of you and would eat the load you're towing (we tow an 1182kg rated Jayco with a 1200kg rated Suzy SX4 with a 2L motor as the missus doesn't like large cars in town) The X-Trails are popular model and consequently plenty of aftermarket stuff and spares on ebay you'll note and they carry a lot in the back.
I managed to pick up a schmick 2008 auto with 63000k on the clock in Jan for $12k and to be honest I wanted to keep it driving it home but at least I'm a big hit with the future DIL. She liked mum's SX4 and we looked at one for her but a drive of the X-Trail killed that idea as she's thinking of more than the two of them in future ;D
Post by: Trailer Bloke on September 08, 2015, 08:03:26 AM
Post by: Peter The Greek on September 08, 2015, 08:49:10 AM
My in-laws have a v6? Rav 4. Its terrible to drive IMO.
If I was not going off road I'd check out the Outback - running costs are higher than a 4wd Rav 4 as you can't turn off the AWD, but its a much better car to live with as a daily drive
Post by: steelman on September 08, 2015, 08:05:42 PM
Lots of xtrail fans around. My mum and dad have one, think its great too. I thought the awd on Rav 4s meant if it needed to be in awd or for when it was locked on. I thought it was a 2wd most of the time, would like to know the answer there.
Post by: feisty on September 08, 2015, 08:12:47 PM
Post by: Beefa Toyota on September 08, 2015, 08:52:41 PM
Here is a rundown on the Rav 4 system! The best AWD systems leverage software and wheel sensors to detect wheel slip as fast as possible. They then react by activating traction control to reduce or eliminate wheel slip while re-routing engine torque to the wheel with the best grip on the road. AWD with dynamic torque control are a riff on this theme and utilize an electro-magnetic coupler or (ECU). During normal driving, the RAV4 defaults to front-wheel-drive for improved fuel economy while still sending power to rear wheels during turns for improved cornering and driving performance (up to a maximum of 45% rear and 55% front torque distribution.)
Lock mode, on the other hand, essentially acts like Full-Time AWD on the RAV4 at speeds below 25 MPH by directing 50% of engine power to the rear wheels. Sport Mode provides smoother torque transfers between the front and rear wheels to improve steering by maximizing the traction of each wheel. Braking in a straight line is also enhanced in this mode by stopping torque to the rear wheels, allowing ABS and vehicle stability control to work unmolested. Hope this answers a few questions for you
Cheers again
Beefa
Post by: prodigyrf on September 08, 2015, 09:21:58 PM
Thanks fellas,
Lots of xtrail fans around. My mum and dad have one, think its great too. I thought the awd on Rav 4s meant if it needed to be in awd or for when it was locked on. I thought it was a 2wd most of the time, would like to know the answer there.
Hmmm...looks like they're a permanent AWD with stability and traction control which is fine unless there's a hiccup with the ECU registering a fault as described here-
http://www.rav4world.com/forums/99-4-3-mechanical/85765-check-engine-light-vsc-4wd-lights-explained.html (http://www.rav4world.com/forums/99-4-3-mechanical/85765-check-engine-light-vsc-4wd-lights-explained.html)
and that sort of problem is not a rare occurrence when you ask Google mechanic-
https://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=toyota+rav4+4wd&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4NOOH_enAU615AU615&q=toyota+rav4+4wd+light+stays+on&gs_l=hp..2.0l5.0.0.0.25565...........0.yvCpH0nSKw8 (https://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=toyota+rav4+4wd&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4NOOH_enAU615AU615&q=toyota+rav4+4wd+light+stays+on&gs_l=hp..2.0l5.0.0.0.25565...........0.yvCpH0nSKw8)
Let me say here having experienced the AWD setup on the Suzuki Sx4 auto I'm a complete convert for automatic AWD for the general use you describe ie most of our driving is urban and the offroad is largely towing on reasonable dirt roads and tracks with some more adventurous solo tracks. In that regard the Suzuki is brilliant with 2WD for the tar, flick the switch to middle AWD auto and third position is AWD lock but to be honest with you the 'lock' is completely superfluous punting it through sand and gravel creek beds up the Alice.
It's a lot like cameras. Yes the purists want to piss around with all the manual settings but most of us just want to point and shoot on auto and enjoy the view when we get there.
Post by: steelman on September 08, 2015, 09:40:47 PM
Post by: prodigyrf on September 08, 2015, 10:48:24 PM
https://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=hts&oq=&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4NOOH_enAU615AU615&q=2013+Rav+4+oil+consumption (https://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=hts&oq=&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4NOOH_enAU615AU615&q=2013+Rav+4+oil+consumption)
Post by: jeeps on September 08, 2015, 11:04:23 PM
cheers
Post by: steelman on September 09, 2015, 07:21:35 PM
am considering a 2012 petrol rav4 2.5 litre and also an Outlander similar age. Anyone know much on Outlanders?
Post by: rockinj on September 09, 2015, 08:07:08 PM
Post by: steelman on September 09, 2015, 08:11:34 PM
Post by: rockinj on September 09, 2015, 08:26:53 PM
Post by: Beefa Toyota on September 09, 2015, 08:47:02 PM
told it was 750 unbraked 1500 braked.This is definitely correct for the new model Rav 4
12/2012 on, 2.5 lt petrol
the diesel is only 1000 kg braked
and the 2 lt petrol is only 800 kg
Hope this helps
Cheers Beefa
Post by: prodigyrf on September 10, 2015, 12:25:34 AM
Thanks guys,
am considering a 2012 petrol rav4 2.5 litre and also an Outlander similar age. Anyone know much on Outlanders?
Well here's the lowdown on the Outlander-
http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/mitsubishi-outlander-used-review-2003-2012-13635#.VfA0mM7ovIU (http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/mitsubishi-outlander-used-review-2003-2012-13635#.VfA0mM7ovIU)
and in particular 2012 -
http://www.caradvice.com.au/compare-specs/qu915a-mitsubishi-outlander/ojr12k-mitsubishi-outlander/ (http://www.caradvice.com.au/compare-specs/qu915a-mitsubishi-outlander/ojr12k-mitsubishi-outlander/)
where you'll note the 1600kg tow capacity for the petrol and 2000kg for the diesel which means the chassis/body is doing it easy in petrol mode with 1600kg
Mitsi make strong motors and hence their 5 year 130000km warranty and 12 month/15000km service intervals and their motors have often been used under licence by other brands (Great Wall for example). Personally I'm not interested in 3 year warranty stuff nor Mazda's 6month service intervals and the like as that's yesterdays. I can vouch for Mitsis in that regard and their CVT transmission in the Mitsi Colt we bought new for the missus before the Zook (Mitsi gave it a 10yr/160000km power train warranty to boot).
So that's what I look at before I go test driving and picking the used car dealers brains (yes some are tossers but most know their stuff) and nowadays if I'm interested in a particular model I'll net search 'Mitsubishi Outlander 2012 problem' and see what I come up with. Now you'll always get the tosser owner griping but what I'm on the lookout for is any regular and major problems. Happy to say nothing to worry about with the Outlander but to be frank there's some common threads with the Rav4 which makes me nervous (oil consumption on the diesel and that ECU/AWD complaint)
I recall the BIL saying daughter was keen on a secondhand retro VW bug and he was looking at one so I googled it for problems. Bingo seems they had a problem with coolant bottle level sensor leaking back into the wiring loom and all sorts of electrical problems as a result. Even finds its way into the dash wiring and kills instruments and guess what the one he was looking at had? A dead tacho so he scratched one of those off the list.
Bottom line is there's lots of nice reliable cars to choose from and you need to spec them out and then drive them to see if they suit but then there's that net searching for insurance against known manufacturing problems and getting stuck with a lemon.
Post by: steelman on September 12, 2015, 09:32:37 PM