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Title: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: Callan on August 17, 2015, 12:38:32 AM
Evening Gents and Gentette's,

I am after some no holes bar feed back please. We were looking at an MDC then we seen the Black series. We have seen mixed reports on both. The Black Series seems to be standing up better feedback wise. However; you people are the people who use this gear everyday. Your feedba,c is appreciated.

Cheers

C.
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: sol on August 17, 2015, 05:16:48 AM
O no a no holes bar feed back ???
Please guys please be nice. ;D ;D

     :cheers:
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: ATC on August 17, 2015, 08:28:48 AM
I'll start with - have you ready this posting - no discussing GIC, and I assume their other brands they own?

GIC Trailers (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=31568.0)

Good luck with the choice.
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: UIZ733 on August 17, 2015, 08:55:31 AM
Hmm. This comes to mind.
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: Bird on August 17, 2015, 09:14:18 AM
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..............


Buy a good quality used Aussie trailer...
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: Callan on August 17, 2015, 11:34:16 AM
Gents,

Thank you I am new to the site and was not aware of this. Happy to get inboxes.

Cheers for your time,

C.
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: muzza01 on August 17, 2015, 01:06:08 PM
Evening Gents and Gentette's,

I am after some no holes bar feed back please. We were looking at an MDC then we seen the Black series. We have seen mixed reports on both. The Black Series seems to be standing up better feedback wise. However; you people are the people who use this gear everyday. Your feedba,c is appreciated.

Cheers
C.
The company you mentioned selling the Black Series (that we are not allowed to mention) held a FB competition rewarding people if they left good feedback about their CT's on the website called Product Review as the feedback for this company was mostly negative.  I would only read or acknowledge comments by people that have the words"Verified Purchase" against their comments and perhaps ignore all others.
Most 4wd or camping forums received a legal letter that all feedback be removed from their applicable websites.
Up until a little over 12 months ago, the reviews weren't the best. Good luck with your decision.
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: tk421 on August 17, 2015, 03:42:50 PM
The company you mentioned selling the Black Series (that we are not allowed to mention) held a FB competition rewarding people if they left good feedback about their CT's on the website called Product Review as the feedback for this company was mostly negative.  I would only read or acknowledge comments by people that have the words"Verified Purchase" against their comments and perhaps ignore all others.
Most 4wd or camping forums received a legal letter that all feedback be removed from their applicable websites.
Up until a little over 12 months ago, the reviews weren't the best. Good luck with your decision.

Interesting. I just googled that name we can't mention. It appears that URL doesn't exist anymore and that it re-directs somewhere else...
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: WCN_Bren on March 17, 2016, 06:45:32 PM
what did you buy?
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: mrdenn1s on March 17, 2016, 07:16:48 PM
Woowee.

Just went to productreview.com.au and searched "Gee Eye See".

The people have spoken.

Black Series appears to be more Black Sheep than anything. Gee Eye See after visiting depol to change their name.
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: Bird on March 17, 2016, 07:42:25 PM
Quote from: muzza01
I would...
save your time and contact this bloke
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=45870.0 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=45870.0)

You will find it near on impossible to find someone who stands by the product he sells more than evo..
Johnny Trackabout was another..
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: corndog on March 17, 2016, 07:52:21 PM
I wouldn't buy either of them.
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: WCN_Bren on March 18, 2016, 09:34:49 PM
Woowee.

Just went to productreview.com.au and searched "Gee Eye See".

The people have spoken.

Black Series appears to be more Black Sheep than anything. Gee Eye See after visiting depol to change their name.
If you call them they answering machine says some thing like "Welcome to GIC, home of the Black Series Camper Trailers..."

In my hunting around I've found 4 retailers that sell GIC spec campers and none seem to have many bad reviews. Makes me think its more about customer service than it is about the product.
what did you buy?


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Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: GBC on March 19, 2016, 06:18:04 AM
Evening Gents and Gentette's,

I am after some no holes bar feed back please. We were looking at an MDC then we seen the Black series. We have seen mixed reports on both. The Black Series seems to be standing up better feedback wise. However; you people are the people who use this gear everyday. Your feedba,c is appreciated.

Cheers

C.

Join the MDC owners group on fb and see what actual owners have to say about them and where they take them. Currently the mdc appears to be using later generation trailers and heavier canvas (16 oz) at the moment - next week that will change no doubt, such is the world of importing. The modcon is the same trailer as the mdc just different stickers.
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: fergy on March 19, 2016, 01:42:32 PM
is this true Evo?
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: evolution on March 19, 2016, 02:43:25 PM


is this true Evo?
NO.

Join the MDC owners group on fb and see what actual owners have to say about them and where they take them. Currently the mdc appears to be using later generation trailers and heavier canvas (16 oz) at the moment - next week that will change no doubt, such is the world of importing. The modcon is the same trailer as the mdc just different stickers.

Not correct in the slightest.


Just to clarify, The Modcon FF1 is most certainly not the same camper as an MDC. They are built in completely different factories, assembled by different people and are constructed off vastly different designs.
The only comment I am prepared to make about an MDC ff camper is that apart from the fact they both fold forward, they are different. Modcon forward fold campers are designed by Modcon in Brisbane. If you compare an FF1 to the fully Australian made HFD or Elysium you will see allot of the design elements from those in the FF1.
The bed base (lid) is different, the main door is different, the kitchen is different, the fridgebox area is different, the inside area is different, the tent is different, the pole structure and set up is different, the chassis is different. Even the Jerry can holder is different etc etc.

Feel free to compare campers as much as you like, but please don't make blanket statements that are actually untrue.  :cheers:

Kind regards
Nick
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: fergy on March 19, 2016, 05:54:00 PM
didn't think so and glad you cleared that up
I have your vendors thread also open ATM trying to figure if a FF1 tent could possibly be put onto the top of a travel trucks style camper on a daily 4x4
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: evolution on March 19, 2016, 06:53:19 PM
didn't think so and glad you cleared that up
I have your vendors thread also open ATM trying to figure if a FF1 tent could possibly be put onto the top of a travel trucks style camper on a daily 4x4
That's ok. Hard to not come across as rude,  but incorrect statements don't help anyone unfortunately. 
In regards to the tent section fitting on that style of set up. It is certainly possible.  I would suggest possibly rethinking though as your total height would be huge when open. The tent section is nearly 2m high at the peak, so add that to the height of your 4x4 at roof line and you would be tipping 5m I'd say. It would be hard to open anywhere near a tree or under cover. Unless I misunderstood? 

Cheers
Nick
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: Bird on March 19, 2016, 08:52:13 PM
Join the MDC owners group on fb and see what actual owners have to say about them and where they take them. Currently the mdc appears to be using later generation trailers and heavier canvas (16 oz) at the moment - next week that will change no doubt, such is the world of importing. The modcon is the same trailer as the mdc just different stickers.
this incorrect drivel was brought to you buy one of the staff of MDC.
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: GBC on March 19, 2016, 08:59:25 PM
Wrong again fool. They are all Chinese trailers. Only an idiot couldn't see that. I tried them all before I bought one. What skin have you got in the game?
If they are different it isn't by much.
Apologies to modcon, but if you want to set your trailers apart you'll need to do better. Your rear fold was cheaper but I didn't buy it. Good luck in the future.


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Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: Snow on March 19, 2016, 09:07:17 PM
Keep it civil y'all.  :police:
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: evolution on March 19, 2016, 10:02:02 PM
Wrong again fool. They are all Chinese trailers. Only an idiot couldn't see that. I tried them all before I bought one. What skin have you got in the game?
If they are different it isn't by much.
Apologies to modcon, but if you want to set your trailers apart you'll need to do better. Your rear fold was cheaper but I didn't buy it. Good luck in the future.


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???????
Not sure why the aggression,  but this post doesn't help anyone in anyway.
I'm not sure how you "tried" a Modcon as I know of no hire units anywhere. 
Just to clarify are you referring to rear fold or forward fold?

Cheers
Nick
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: fergy on March 19, 2016, 10:26:25 PM
Evo
did you get a pm from me ?
Not sure they work from the ipood
Fergy
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: Bird on March 19, 2016, 10:34:33 PM
Quote from: GBC
Wrong again fool.
Vaughan?

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/b7/b7506e59c689c175286d8cec59865bb6bdb257effb1ee70dae5037b428c3fd16.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: evolution on March 19, 2016, 10:40:57 PM
Evo
did you get a pm from me ?
Not sure they work from the ipood
Fergy
I did mate, I sent you a reply. Anything else I can help with just let me know.  :cheers

Cheers
Nick
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: fergy on March 19, 2016, 11:27:23 PM
Yeah got it nick
Think I might just get some popcorn and hang here for a while  :4x4: :4x4:














One too many jeeps
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: GBC on March 20, 2016, 06:01:55 AM

???????
Not sure why the aggression,  but this post doesn't help anyone in anyway.
I'm not sure how you "tried" a Modcon as I know of no hire units anywhere. 
Just to clarify are you referring to rear fold or forward fold?

Cheers
Nick

The aggression wasn't towards you, Let's get that very straight.
It was toward a pathetic troll with an opinion as rubbery as his mentality. One minute he's saying buy Australian, the next he's jumping on threads like this as a modcon sycophant, which, you'd agree as an importer of Chinese trailers, is absurd.

Now he's accusing me of being the owner of mdc (yes bird, I met him through the owners page) and masquerading as a random person to railroad you guys.

His bullShit hurts you more than it hurts anybody else, such is often the case.

I apologised to you first time around and wished you all the best as I recall.

FYI, your company was recommended by a couple of friends who have had modcon trailers in the past, and was one of about 5 we shortlisted. We booked and spent half an afternoon at Capalaba going through both fwd and rear folds. My wife and I came away wondering (apart from stickers and paint jobs) what your point of difference was. You've pointed a few out and that's nice. I'd argue that a casual observer might take a more Prima facie view than an industry insider and miss most of the things you mentioned.
I don't need to go any further.
Again, I wish you well, your product made it to our Shortlist and we had a pleasant experience dealing with your company. I hope you take this feedback in the way it was intended.




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Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: Bird on March 20, 2016, 10:47:21 AM
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Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: WCN_Bren on March 20, 2016, 08:09:21 PM
nom nom nom *** munches on popcorn *** nom nom nom
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: GGV8Cruza on March 21, 2016, 07:56:11 AM
Last warning or the the thread will be removed  :police:

GG
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: castlemaine49 on April 04, 2016, 10:55:35 PM
The modcon is the same trailer as the mdc just different stickers.

I just bought a Modcon FF1 recently and you don't have to go to a showroom, just look at the pics on their websites and you'll see they are different, not rebadged.
 
I have no problem with a MDC product or any Chinese product (including Modcon's FF1) as long as it is of good quality, my decision was that I was dealing with the business owners not sales people.

I was impressed with a Western Australian CT but decided it was too far away to talk to the people in charge.
GBC you need to rethink how you word what you intended to say, they are not from the same factory.
Misinformation and innuendo can do a quality importer/manufacturer untolded damage.
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: WCN_Bren on April 16, 2016, 05:25:31 PM
I finally pulled the trigger on a CT and I gotta say it's bloody hard to sort through the Chinese whispers, facts, half-truths and sales-pitches in the $18K to $25K price bracket. I see heaps of people say "get an aussie secondhand one" but the spec lists don't compare. Therefore you are left with the decision of specs + perks v aussie made quality + maybe not what you really want. Sure, spend another $10k to $20K and you will be fine but you're asking people to add 50% to 100% to their budget.
I looked at the Patron and a few other similar ones (built on GIC spec) and wondered why these other companies hadn't had the complaints that GIC had. These other companies were about $6k more but had dealt with some of the GIC issues before delivery and offered much better after sales support. Thankfully the latest Patron resolved some of the issues themselves and I got to see these in the Melb showroom where they have the older model there to compare.
Prob the best person I have dealt with was Evo. He repeatedly said "you need to find the right camper trailer for YOU". i loved the Quattro but in all honesty (and hindsight) it wasnt the right one for us, although the reasonably quick setup was very alluring and initially had me sold. The room of the Patron (inc size of kitchen) turned out to be what we needed.
Also, I was very frank with GIC about some of the reviews I had read and they were very honest and frank in return. (I feel for those that had problems during 2015). (i must add - 70% of owners i have actually had direct contact with have been overall positive about the GIC purchase and all the owners i have met camping have only had good things to say.)
Anyway, I really just wanted to say that if you are thinking of a Patron or a Dominator I'm happy to share what I have learned and it's not as scary as you think. BUT if evo sold an equivalent to the patron (for not too much more money) i would have bought that because I know the guy would do everything he could to sort out any problems. And I'm not just saying that because i probably should buy the guy a bottle of Scotch ;)
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: mrdenn1s on April 16, 2016, 05:49:45 PM
If it only has three letters in its name, avoid.
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: WCN_Bren on April 16, 2016, 06:00:37 PM
Blue Water were the ONLY camper trailer company to tell me their camper trailer (Snowy) wouldn't meet my standards and I probably shouldn't buy one - after I questioned some of the build issues and asked many times over 8 weeks for proper photos or any video on the current model. Definitely the WORST CT company I dealt with.
I previously owned a Blue Water Tirari. The after sales support was shocking.
I drove to their Melb showroom (4.5hrs) after speaking to salesperson who said they had one on display. Got there and the front box wasn't mounted straight and you couldn't even open it up because it hadn't been fitted out. 8 weeks later I asked if they were displaying one at the Adelaide leisure show and was told definitely. Flew there and guess what? No CT. It did however arrive two days late so I asked if they could please take photo's (preferably video) of the set up. Nope - didn't happen.
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: mrdenn1s on April 16, 2016, 06:26:36 PM
Blue Water were the ONLY camper trailer company to tell me their camper trailer (Snowy) wouldn't meet my standards and I probably shouldn't buy one...

See. Honest boys :)
Title: Re: Black Series Camper (Patron) vs MDC Forward Fold (Jackson)
Post by: WCN_Bren on April 16, 2016, 07:02:35 PM
See. Honest boys :)

lol. it took em almost 3 months to admit it but they got there.