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Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: patroldude on June 16, 2015, 07:49:31 PM
Smurfs brace yourselves - here we come to smash you again
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Kangaron on June 16, 2015, 08:02:20 PM
;D

fixed it
and yes, not politically correct but IDGAS

Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: kizza1 on June 16, 2015, 08:13:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbgShiaal6E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbgShiaal6E)
few years old but still funny
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: sol on June 17, 2015, 06:43:40 PM
QUEENSLANDER :cup: ;D ;D
May the best team win. ;D
Should be a beauty. :cup:

      :cheers:
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: patroldude on June 17, 2015, 08:00:21 PM
Wooo Hooo game time go QLDEERR
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: patroldude on June 17, 2015, 08:01:20 PM
Look out you SMURFS
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: macca on June 17, 2015, 08:06:05 PM
Ready to go

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Go QLD
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: wilson79 on June 17, 2015, 08:13:41 PM
"QUEENSLANDER"
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Sixpack on June 17, 2015, 08:13:51 PM
Go the Maroons.  Hope there is a little more than one point in it. 
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Sixpack on June 17, 2015, 08:15:16 PM
Great photo macca.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: kylarama on June 18, 2015, 02:12:24 AM
Boss came to me at 3pm and told me I had to work back tonight. Something about drinking... I mean smoozing clients


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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: sol on June 18, 2015, 05:15:49 AM
1-1 and off to Brisbane we go  ;D
I'd say there'd be a few sore players this morning.
91,000 crowd. :cup: well done Melbourne  :cup:
Congrats NSW.

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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on June 18, 2015, 07:06:03 AM
Is it just me or did anyone else think the referees had a direct influence on the outcome of this game. (More than game 1)
Anyway as long as Cowboys players get through unscathed i dont give a $hit

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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: paceman on June 18, 2015, 07:15:53 AM
Is it just me or did anyone else think the referees had a direct influence on the outcome of this game. (More than game 1)
Anyway as long as Cowboys players get through unscathed i dont give a $hit

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not just you, i'll wager... :)

DCE looked lost.  some blokes just can't hack origin.  maybe he is one of them....  hopefully cooper will be right for game 3...  hunt might be a better option as the utility...

myles is done and guerra doesn't offer much in attack...  would like to see napa and papalii get a run...  bring mcguire into the run-on side...
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on June 18, 2015, 07:25:44 AM
^^^ Mate your right about DCE pretty ordinary game. Bit disappointing really it would've been a good opportunity to shut the any of the nay sayers  (of which i am one) up.
I still think the biggest problem is game plan, so predictable, 4 hit ups the push it wide.
Probably need the Qld head of racing to be manager,  he'll know a bit about "blooding" players. I hear he's looking for a job ????

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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: achjimmy on June 18, 2015, 07:27:51 AM
Is it just me or did anyone else think the referees had a direct influence on the outcome of this game. (More than game 1)


Yep sure did, both disallowed try decisions were crap. I felt the upstairs ref disallowed GI because of the obvious mistake made ten minutes before with NSW. 
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: paceman on June 18, 2015, 07:34:34 AM
^^^ Mate your right about DCE pretty ordinary game. Bit disappointing really it would've been a good opportunity to shut the any of the nay sayers  (of which i am one) up.
I still think the biggest problem is game plan, so predictable, 4 hit ups the push it wide.
Probably need the Qld head of racing to be manager,  he'll know a bit about "blooding" players. I hear he's looking for a job ????

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in fairness to DCE, he did do a load of defense last night... hoffman running at him every chance he got...

kicking game just wasn't there... our forwards don't have as much go-forward as nsw... tamou, klemmer, woods all make metres coming out of their own end...
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Bird on June 18, 2015, 07:41:19 AM
Quote from: paceman
DCE looked lost
massive understatement.. I didn't even know he was on the field until late in game when he kicked down field.


Quote from: achjimmy
Yep sure did, both disallowed try decisions were crap. I felt the upstairs ref disallowed GI because of the obvious mistake made ten minutes before with NSW.
..the GI run away try was either knock on (Although barely clipped the dudes fingernail ends and I don't agree that it was a knock on as the dude was making a tackle, not playing for the ball), or offside... as it bounced off some dudes fluro boot on the way to GI who was infront of him...

I gave up waiting for the game to start, turned tele on at 7.40, and at 8.10 gave up as the ****in game didn't even look like it would start any week soon, but the sports bet ads were going off their tits... :( Started channel surfing and missed most of the first 1/2
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Green rv on June 18, 2015, 07:49:12 AM
at least the tries that we did score were good solid tires. not tries off the back of poor ball handling
i think the refs are tied in with fifa somehow
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: paceman on June 18, 2015, 07:51:47 AM
..the GI run away try was either knock on (Although barely clipped the dudes fingernail ends and I don't agree that it was a knock on as the dude was making a tackle, not playing for the ball), or offside... as it bounced off some dudes fluro boot on the way to GI who was infront of him...

the annoying thing is, though, is that if he was tackled before scoring the try, it's play on...  they don't go back and check it then...

i'm not convinced that it shouldn't just be ruled a loose carry...

i'm more annoyed about the morris 'try'... no way he has control.  in every NRL game this year, that's a no try...

i guess the NRL makes more money with a decider...
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Bird on June 18, 2015, 07:54:01 AM
Quote from: paceman
i guess the NRL makes more money with a decider...
now your getting it... Im surprised that every series isn't 1-1 with a decider.


Work it out, bloke at coffee shop, his son is MCC member $35 for son, $105 for dad... 90,000 people there... most would have paid lots more than $105... = popping champagne corks.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: achjimmy on June 18, 2015, 07:58:55 AM
the annoying thing is, though, is that if he was tackled before scoring the try, it's play on...  they don't go back and check it then...

i'm not convinced that it shouldn't just be ruled a loose carry...

i'm more annoyed about the morris 'try'... no way he has control.  in every NRL game this year, that's a no try...

i guess the NRL makes more money with a decider...

Sorry Pacemen I had no problems with Morris try. He had downward pressure. That's a decision to get right pretty easily imo the ball will travel or bounce up if lost before ground not just roll out.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on June 18, 2015, 08:02:13 AM
Most of the punters will pay $200+. Even as a Qrl member the price is $280 +/-.
Bit like boxing day test covers costs of CA for the whole year.
Its a great ground the MCG but when will the NRL realize round grounds & league just aren't a good mix
I reckon you can tell on tv as well that cameras are so far away from action
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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: paceman on June 18, 2015, 08:05:29 AM
Sorry Pacemen I had no problems with Morris try. He had downward pressure. That's a decision to get right pretty easily imo the ball will travel or bounce up if lost before ground not just roll out.

the thing is:  commentators (both ch9 and abc) were both happy to spout on about pearce's drop ball (leading to GI try) being just a loose carry...

how is morris's try not a loose carry as well?  you can't tell me he had control when the ball touched the ground...

we can agree to disagree, i guess... :)
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Bird on June 18, 2015, 08:29:22 AM
Its a great ground the MCG but when will the NRL realize round grounds & league just aren't a good mix
when will people realise that ALL forms of sport are only TV production companies these days, NRL, AFL, RU, Cricket etc....

In reality they couldn't give a rats left nut about those that go to the grounds.. the money is in TV rights.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on June 18, 2015, 08:41:20 AM
^^^ 50-50 calls aren't they really & last night they went to nsw. That was probably the best soo game Jennings has had, so hopefully he'll go back to his normal fumbling self in G3 & qld get the 50-50 calls

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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: paceman on June 18, 2015, 09:00:36 AM
^^^ 50-50 calls aren't they really & last night they went to nsw. That was probably the best soo game Jennings has had, so hopefully he'll go back to his normal fumbling self in G3 & qld get the 50-50 calls

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hodges too slow to contain jennings... maybe switch with chambers?
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: gronk on June 18, 2015, 09:40:59 AM

i'm more annoyed about the morris 'try'... no way he has control.  in every NRL game this year, that's a no try...


No way, in every game I've seen, that is better than some of the dodgy decisions that have been happening.

You don't have to have control anymore....as long as a fanny hair is touching the ball at the instant of contact with the ground...it's a try..

Don't agree with it, but thems the rules..

Same as the disallowed fwd pass try by NSW....let 5 fwd passes go unchecked, but pull a marginal one up that led to a possible try ???

Maybe the dunce ref on the sideline should be keeping up with play and tell the ref when a fwd pass happens ??

But, what about Klemmer......if they fired him up any more, he was gunna spend 10mins in the bin....but he was good to watch !!
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on June 18, 2015, 09:50:50 AM


In reality they couldn't give a rats left nut about those that go to the grounds.. the money is in TV rights.

Dont think thats quite a valid statement, as you pointed out earlier its a good money earner for the sports admin, so without bums on seats where would that leave them.
You are right about the TV deals though,  but it always looks better to watch a game with a full stadium than an empty one

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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on June 18, 2015, 10:10:30 AM

But, what about Klemmer......if they fired him up any more, he was gunna spend 10mins in the bin....but he was good to watch !!

Did he come off the bench, run in and throw that cheap shot punch, then run back off the field only to be subbed on a minute later?

Anyone else notice that?
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: macca on June 18, 2015, 11:08:59 AM
Most of the punters will pay $200+. Even as a Qrl member the price is $280 +/-.
Bit like boxing day test covers costs of CA for the whole year.
Its a great ground the MCG but when will the NRL realize round grounds & league just aren't a good mix
I reckon you can tell on tv as well that cameras are so far away from action
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Dunno Moggy,  didn't cost me anything like that to go mind you dropped a fair bit in the Dirty Swan before the game. Most of the cameras were on the ground anyway just behind the line. But it is bloody hard watching the game from up the top of the Ponsford stand, still a great experience tho, except for those knobs that were so disrespectful during the Ron Clarke tribute
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: gronk on June 18, 2015, 11:25:09 AM
Did he come off the bench, run in and throw that cheap shot punch, then run back off the field only to be subbed on a minute later?

Anyone else notice that?

Notice what ?????   ;D

No punches thrown last night.....but it was close..
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Rumpig on June 18, 2015, 12:09:28 PM
Sorry Pacemen I had no problems with Morris try. He had downward pressure. That's a decision to get right pretty easily imo the ball will travel or bounce up if lost before ground not just roll out.
that was the ruling up till this year, they changed it for the start of this year to say you needed proper ball control. That "try" would be disallowed most weeks in a club game now.
Inglis was a 50/50 call, I thought maybe more he came from offside position but wanted to see if picked the ball up behind the line or not, as he'd have been onside again then.
End of the day NSW deserved the win, but the constant penalties given for offside by both teams made me lose a lot of interest in the game last night. Refs were told to keep a good 10 apart before the game, but I just got sick of hearing that whistle getting blown.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Bird on June 18, 2015, 12:52:53 PM
Quote from: Rumpig
Refs were told to keep a good 10 apart before the game, but I just got sick of hearing that whistle getting blown.
yea Cameron Smith mentioned it at 1/2 time interview as they walked off.. and Gallen spat it about 230203984928340928340923840923409382 times during the game he couldn't believe how often...
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on June 18, 2015, 12:54:30 PM
Dunno Moggy,  didn't cost me anything like that to go mind you dropped a fair bit in the Dirty Swan before the game. Most of the cameras were on the ground anyway just behind the line. But it is bloody hard watching the game from up the top of the Ponsford stand, still a great experience tho, except for those knobs that were so disrespectful during the Ron Clarke tribute
Perhaps we just get miners prices here.
Just the high camera shots seemed so far away.
You could hear the nobs on the TV, was a bit ordinary, but you always get NSW people at SOO games ????????

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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Garfish on June 19, 2015, 06:04:30 AM
My biggest gripe about the refs was how slow the play the ball was,    That's why QLD couldn't go forward the slowness of play the balls and we lost the game in. The tackle.   Sure GI try but if fwd pass for Pearce try not called GI "try" doesn't occur.  But huge plus looks like GI had his speed back.   
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Rumpig on June 19, 2015, 09:48:52 PM
that was the ruling up till this year, they changed it for the start of this year to say you needed proper ball control. That "try" would be disallowed most weeks in a club game now.
as I mentioned above...watch tonight's game and both Manly and Wests have had tries identical to the Morris try disallowed tonight. The inconsistency in the refereeing is killing the game for many people.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: oldmate on June 19, 2015, 10:28:56 PM
as I mentioned above...watch tonight's game and both Manly and Wests have had tries identical to the Morris try disallowed tonight. The inconsistency in the refereeing is killing the game for many people.
Yep agree mate.

But the inconsistency isn't something new either, it's being going on since the sport started, what really sucks is they have 2 refs 25 cameras 15000 slowmo's, a video ref, and they still don't get it right.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Hairs on June 20, 2015, 05:46:02 AM
But the inconsistency isn't something new either, it's being going on since the sport started, what really sucks is they have 2 refs 25 cameras 15000 slowmo's, a video ref, and they still don't get it right.


Week in, Week out, every bloody game.
They stuff it up.
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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: swanny on June 20, 2015, 07:12:17 AM
Yep agree mate.

But the inconsistency isn't something new either, it's being going on since the sport started, what really sucks is they have 2 refs 25 cameras 15000 slowmo's, a video ref, and they still don't get it right.

Yerp, and that why supporters are leaving the game in droves.....no action from the NRL to sort the disgraceful problem out.....there nothing more then reactive, instead of proactive....sooner they get rid of Smith and the joker that runs the commission the better....
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: patroldude on June 27, 2015, 10:23:32 PM
Might just be that we forget that they are humans like us and God forbid we should puck up!!! From what I see they get it right 99% of the time - obviously from a supporters point of view one will always be a bit biast to their own team and see what they want to see. It's amazing how on game night I can swear black and blue they pucked up, then watch it on the news the following night to sometimes have a slightly different perspective on the matter. As for people leaving in droves I hardly think so - I've tried to watch other codes of footy and well they just suck big ones. NRL is getting faster and harder. Players welfare is coming to the fore which is a good thing ( although I do miss the BIF). Go the Broncos and Go QLD
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: dales133 on June 27, 2015, 10:46:27 PM
As much as I like NRL it's second only to soccer for dodgey calls.
They need a ref and a couple of lines men and a video ref .
I'm not saying unions perfect but this system works pretty well
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: swanny on June 28, 2015, 07:00:32 AM
As for people leaving in droves I hardly think so - I've tried to watch other codes of footy and well they just suck big ones. NRL is getting faster and harder. Players welfare is coming to the fore which is a good thing ( although I do miss the BIF). Go the Broncos and Go QLD

Have no problem with refs making mistakes.....we all make mistakes, but I have a prob when 2 refs, 2 video refs and 2 linesman cocking it up and on a consistent bases and its obvious to one and all that its the wrong call...maybe its the process and not the refs...there's a thought, brings us back to the way the game is run...or maybe not run...!!!

Flick over to the AFL if you dare, look at their crowds...?? no probs with membership and attendance there....maybe the administration is doing a better job then the NRL...of course they are, only have to see the DCE and now the Foran debacle to see that.....and as for a spectical....well it doesn't get any better then the AFL....and that's coming from someone who has grown up on League his whole life, and still lives in a Rugby League state..

Also, do some research RE: members and crowd attendance, members and attendance is down in vast numbers to previous years....main reason....well you work it.

As for the game getting faster etc....agreed, but its to fast, hence the reason why the coach's want to reduce the IT, so as to slow the game down and see more scoring opps for one....I also like the spin toward player welfare, way over due....the process is to be refined a bit yet....

That said i'm off to the footy...enjoy your day...

Go the Roosters.. :cup: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: muzza01 on June 28, 2015, 04:22:51 PM
Have no problem with refs making mistakes.....we all make mistakes, but I have a prob when 2 refs, 2 video refs and 2 linesman cocking it up and on a consistent bases and its obvious to one and all that its the wrong call...maybe its the process and not the refs...there's a thought, brings us back to the way the game is run...or maybe not run...!!!

Flick over to the AFL if you dare, look at their crowds...?? no probs with membership and attendance there....maybe the administration is doing a better job then the NRL...of course they are, only have to see the DCE and now the Foran debacle to see that.....and as for a sceptical....well it doesn't get any better then the AFL....and that's coming from someone who has grown up on League his whole life, and still lives in a Rugby League state..

Also, do some research RE: members and crowd attendance, members and attendance is down in vast numbers to previous years....main reason....well you work it.

As for the game getting faster etc....agreed, but its to fast, hence the reason why the coach's want to reduce the IT, so as to slow the game down and see more scoring opps for one....I also like the spin toward player welfare, way over due....the process is to be refined a bit yet....

That said i'm off to the footy...enjoy your day...

Go the Roosters.. :cup: :cup: :cup:
I  agree 100% with you Swanny (except the roosters bit  :D)
Going to the video ref should get the correct result and be consistant with the rulings the on ground refs are making. On ground refs make numerous but consistant rulings on things without the video ref getting involved every week with their interpretation of the rulings.

Then sometimes the on ground ref will send the decision to the video ref and to all concerned commentators, people at home it is a try. Then the video ref will call no try. They will say it is no try for this blah blah blah reason. Everyone at home and commentators are WTF, every week that is a try before the video ref gets involved. Consistency is what we need and with the amount of $$$$ being spent on sports betting agencies, there is an expectation that the decision should be not only correct but consistant.

Unfortunately, similar actions on the field every week result in completely different decisions ???
As for the fans leaving in droves comment, well that's not the way I see it.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: oldmate on June 28, 2015, 06:06:26 PM
Yep agreed swannie and muzza
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: paceman on June 28, 2015, 06:32:24 PM
Yep agreed swannie and muzza

+1...

just use the video for try groundings only... let the refs do their job (good and bad) like they have for the last 100 years...
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: patroldude on June 28, 2015, 06:51:47 PM
I'm with Muzza - the Chooks - Ha Ha Ha
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: swanny on June 28, 2015, 08:31:52 PM
I'm with Muzza - the Chooks - Ha Ha Ha

Very well thought out reply.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: patroldude on June 29, 2015, 01:54:45 AM
Thanks Swanny, I was just starting to warm up to you when you ...... Thank god advised all and sundry that you where a Chooks supporter Was a very close call. Lol
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: rags on June 29, 2015, 06:29:40 PM
Interesting that the to be million dollar man DCE has been dumped from Origin, maybe he is to be overpaid! Cronk must be worth 2 million
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on June 29, 2015, 06:36:07 PM
Its a conspiracy to weaken the Cowboys by putting as many players into SOO,  I'm surprised that Winterstein isn't the winger instead of Gagai. ????????

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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Bird on June 29, 2015, 07:45:44 PM
DCE's outstanding game last time gained him the arse...
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on July 06, 2015, 06:40:16 AM
Another great riveting piece of journalism from channel 9 & 60 minutes last night.
Do a story on Alex McKinnon which should of been about his strength in recovery & family support,  and they turned it into a witch hunt for Cameron Smith.
Oh how inconvenient that the story is run the week pre origin decider.
60 minutes must be based out of sydney.
Nearly makes me wish i hadnt made a donation.
Bad form????

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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: patroldude on July 06, 2015, 06:48:28 AM
Correct mate, Any captain would have done the same thing. How was he to know what happened to Alex!!!! Typical bullsh!t journalism from somebody who does not know the game. Alex is a tough guy, with outstanding inner strength and exceptional love and support around him. We all wish him the very best. Let's hope the NRL continue to support him.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: swanny on July 06, 2015, 08:46:28 AM
Yep he timed it well.....get real...."Ch 9 can you run a story on how im doing, and how Smith failed in his duties as a human".....all because its origin week....now there's a new perspective to it.

Next you will jumping on the, "if he doesn't duck his head it wouldn't have happened line"...

Must be QLDRS..

Very sad indeed, best wish's to Alex, stay strong mate...
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: paceman on July 06, 2015, 01:16:13 PM
Yep he timed it well.....get real...."Ch 9 can you run a story on how im doing, and how Smith failed in his duties as a human".....all because its origin week....now there's a new perspective to it.

Next you will jumping on the, "if he doesn't duck his head it wouldn't have happened line"...

Must be QLDRS..

Very sad indeed, best wish's to Alex, stay strong mate...

two sides to every story.  this one included, with regards to cameron smith.

wasn't just cameron smith that thought that alex ducking his head made a huge difference to outcome of tackle.  plenty of league commentators and players are saying the same thing now and they were also saying the same thing right after it happened.  and let's not by naive enough to think that other captains would have done the same thing, without the benefit of hindsight.

does anyone honestly think that cameron smith is heartless enough to not feel devastated for alex?  if they do, then i feel sorry for them.

doesn't take much to be a bit cynical regarding the timing of this interview.  book launch coming up, SOO3 decider coming up, nothing said about cameron smith for 18 months and now all of a sudden, bang.  qld or nsw supporter is irrelevant.  the timing stinks.

why now?  why not last year, when his plight was still in the public consciousness?  seems a bit suss to me.

no-one is doubting how much of a fighter alex is and how everyone is hoping he pulls through, but to perform a character assassination on cameron smith, in this manner, at this time, when evidence suggests that cameron had tried to see him in the days after the accident (and it WAS an accident) and also was in the front line, raising money for alex, seems a bit much to me.

unfortunately, it seems like ch9 and david riccio's marketing teams have outdone themselves on this particular episode.

i, like all league fans, hope that alex pulls through.  i also hope that he can try to rid himself of the bitterness that he obviously still feels and can get on the way to getting over this accident emotionally and physically (like plenty of others in the same boat have to do as well).

Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: rags on July 06, 2015, 01:42:16 PM
Although it may appear to be a Cam Smith bash you need to remember the words that were uttered out of Alex's mouth, "is he f**##*g kidding" when he viewed the footage of Cam carrying on with the ref whilst the bloke was lying on the ground. That was all about Alex's opinion of Cam Smith regarding the carry one, not 60 minutes. Alex also suggested that Cam has made no contact in the interview but the other suspended player [name escapes me] had made contact again words uttered by Alex.
Yes I am sure there is a bit about the airing to coincide with Origin but that is again about marketing, and without the financial support of organisations like 9 and fox we would all be just watching park football at surburban grounds.
 I do get a bit sick of the captains from all teams carrying on after a ref has made a call, how many rants has ended up chanting a ref's decision, a big zero, I wish the ref's would move the penalty mark each time a player does this.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on July 06, 2015, 04:56:15 PM
Although it may appear to be a Cam Smith bash you need to remember the words that were uttered out of Alex's mouth, "is he f**##*g kidding" when he viewed the footage of Cam carrying on with the ref whilst the bloke was lying on the ground. That was all about Alex's opinion of Cam Smith regarding the carry one, not 60 minutes.
The trouble is that Alex Mckinnon is emotionally invested in the incident & with the benefit of hindsight i reckon Cameron Smith also regrets the actions of the night.

But what club captain doesn't question EVERY decision against them  ???  ???
It is after all their right to do so & more often than not with justifiable reason as the referees can & do get it wrong.
Not suggesting this was the case with this event & whilst the tackle was deemed illegal as the Jordan McLean (?) got 7 weeks(i think), it was still an unplanned event which in my dictionary makes it an accident

I agree with Paceman, the timing of the piece is all about origin & trying to unsettle smith.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Rumpig on July 06, 2015, 05:32:00 PM
two sides to every story.  this one included, with regards to cameron smith.

wasn't just cameron smith that thought that alex ducking his head made a huge difference to outcome of tackle.  plenty of league commentators and players are saying the same thing now and they were also saying the same thing right after it happened.  and let's not by naive enough to think that other captains would have done the same thing, without the benefit of hindsight.

does anyone honestly think that cameron smith is heartless enough to not feel devastated for alex?  if they do, then i feel sorry for them.

doesn't take much to be a bit cynical regarding the timing of this interview.  book launch coming up, SOO3 decider coming up, nothing said about cameron smith for 18 months and now all of a sudden, bang.  qld or nsw supporter is irrelevant.  the timing stinks.

why now?  why not last year, when his plight was still in the public consciousness?  seems a bit suss to me.

no-one is doubting how much of a fighter alex is and how everyone is hoping he pulls through, but to perform a character assassination on cameron smith, in this manner, at this time, when evidence suggests that cameron had tried to see him in the days after the accident (and it WAS an accident) and also was in the front line, raising money for alex, seems a bit much to me.

unfortunately, it seems like ch9 and david riccio's marketing teams have outdone themselves on this particular episode.

i, like all league fans, hope that alex pulls through.  i also hope that he can try to rid himself of the bitterness that he obviously still feels and can get on the way to getting over this accident emotionally and physically (like plenty of others in the same boat have to do as well).
well said mate, agree on what you've written.
I don't get the carry on about Smith not contacting Alex, Smith wasn't involved in the tackle and probably never knew the guy personally. Have heard that apparently Smith and some other Storm players tried to get access to the hospital the day after the incident but were turned away, so it sounds like he did make an effort to see him at one stage. Obviously he;d regret some of what he's said at the time of the incident, but nobody realised how serious the injury was then.
Pretty grubby journalism by 60 minutes to character assassinate Smith the way they have IMHO. The show used to be a half decent watch many years ago, haven't watched it myself in ages now.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: rags on July 06, 2015, 05:37:35 PM
The trouble is that Alex Mckinnon is emotionally invested in the incident & with the benefit of hindsight i reckon Cameron Smith also regrets the actions of the night.

But what club captain doesn't question EVERY decision against them  ???  ???
It is after all their right to do so & more often than not with justifiable reason as the referees can & do get it wrong.
Not suggesting this was the case with this event & whilst the tackle was deemed illegal as the Jordan McLean (?) got 7 weeks(i think), it was still an unplanned event which in my dictionary makes it an accident

I agree with Paceman, the timing of the piece is all about origin & trying to unsettle smith.

You are correct Alex is emotionally invested in it, and so he has the right to make comment. He has been illegally picked up and dumped on his head, it does not matter that he may or may not have turned his head and contributed to the outcome of the tackle, but again he was dumped on his head illegally with 3 storm players each playing his part in the tackle. Also the coach Bellamy may in some way have played a part in this as under his watch the Storm have become the masters of the tackle wrestle with their intent on ensuring the attacking player is held up and then turned over, so their defence has time to retreat and set for next play. Other teams have now evolved and follow this game play.
In the current game it is not the captains right to quiz every decision called by the referee, certainly not at the time of a penalty. The league has  clear rules in place to deal with when a captain can approach the ref. The captain is allowed to quiz the ref when there is a stoppage  in play but not after a penalty. Cameron Smith may have remorse re this but as Alex stated he has made no attempt to make restoration regarding this.
I agree outcome of the tackle was the result of tackle gone wrong which can be deemed an accident but in life accidents usually have outcomes and sometimes result in punishment be it on the footy field , a work place accident or a car accident. In Jordon's case it resulted in a suspension, caused him remorse and sorrow which he attempted to deal with by contacting Alex but also potentially exposes him to litigation.
I think if you think that this has been aired to somehow unsettle Cam Smith your are kidding. The story was all about Alex Mc and the support he has received by family, fellow players, coach Bennett [a great man coach] the league community. I doubt very much Cam Smith would be thinking about this when QLD run out.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: paceman on July 06, 2015, 06:00:18 PM
Also the coach Bellamy may in some way have played a part in this as under his watch the Storm have become the masters of the tackle wrestle with their intent on ensuring the attacking player is held up and then turned over, so their defence has time to retreat and set for next play. Other teams have now evolved and follow this game play.

have to disagree with this.

lifting/spear tackles have been around for a lot longer than the storm have been around.  yes, the storm get planted (sometimes unfairly.  they just came up with it before the other teams.  and it's not like the other teams have stopped) with the wrestle tactics, once the player is on the ground, but this is a different issue to the lifting tackles.

this type of tackle happens 20 times a round.  josh jackson got let off by the judiciary just last week for a tackle that was much worse than the tackle that injured alex. 



I think if you think that this has been aired to somehow unsettle Cam Smith your are kidding. The story was all about Alex Mc and the support he has received by family, fellow players, coach Bennett [a great man coach] the league community. I doubt very much Cam Smith would be thinking about this when QLD run out.

considering cameron decided not to do the usual media commitments expected of a SOO captain this week, i'd say it has unsettled him.  he'd have to be made of stone for it not to be on his mind.

i don't think it was aired at this time to specifically unsettle cameron smith, but the timing, in regards to SOO in general and the upcoming book launch, seems highly suspect.  more publicity, even bad publicity, is good for book sales. 

the trouble is, 90% of the special was excellent (as you rightly pointed out), detailing everything good about this story.  unfortunately, due to some gutter journalism, based IMO on questionable advice from authors, marketers and 60 minutes producers, the 10% is all that is being talked about.

the downside of this is that i have no doubt that some people's opinions of alex mckinnon have been lowered a bit (including mine) and it may have been the result of poor advice and a bit of immaturity on his part.

just my opinion, though...
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: patroldude on July 08, 2015, 07:27:04 PM
QUEENNSSLLAANNDDEERR come get some Smurfs
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Robbo on July 08, 2015, 08:19:05 PM
Go The Maroons. :cup:
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Black Diamond on July 08, 2015, 08:22:37 PM
**** me origin and ashes on the same time  ???
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: patroldude on July 08, 2015, 09:08:53 PM
Woooo Hoooo 22/2 just smashing the smurfs
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on July 08, 2015, 09:44:17 PM
Memo to NSW........
Dont use a TV story to get under a Queenslanders skin...
It will only puss us off.......
Hahaha haha ????

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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Black Diamond on July 08, 2015, 09:46:04 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: dales133 on July 08, 2015, 10:03:26 PM
It's like an all black score
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on July 08, 2015, 10:10:58 PM
It's like an all black score
F@#k off their not that good

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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: dales133 on July 08, 2015, 10:12:35 PM
Yea i spose so,it is only Queensland after all
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: patroldude on July 08, 2015, 10:17:19 PM
For some reason I just can NOT stop smiling and smiling and smiling and smiling and smiling and smiling and drinking BEER 
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Isuzumu on July 08, 2015, 10:20:53 PM
How go was that and it is only just after 8 pm here in the West, we are on hols travelling this great country of ours  :D ;D
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Rumpig on July 08, 2015, 10:22:42 PM
How good was it for Hodges to kick a goal at the end...especially knowing how much NSW people hate him...lol
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on July 08, 2015, 10:34:59 PM
Jeez the silence from the cockroach commentators is deafening, even ken Sutcliffe looked like he didn't want to be there.
Nice touch by cam smith, perhaps that will shut the critics up, but somehow i doubt it

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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Rumpig on July 08, 2015, 10:47:25 PM
Got to love a one year dynasty...lol...NSW media were all so cocky in the lead up to the game, that should shut them up till next year  8)
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: gronk on July 08, 2015, 10:48:47 PM

Nice touch by cam smith, perhaps that will shut the critics up, b there. ut somehow i doubt it

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What touch ??
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Rumpig on July 08, 2015, 10:51:22 PM
What touch ??
getting Hodges holding up the shield
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on July 08, 2015, 10:51:41 PM
I dont normally watch al the bs after match, but was surprised not one comment from the nsw commentators or players. It will be interesting to hear the press conferences. .......
No it won't. ........it'll be all bull $hit excuses,  never a recognition of a superior opponent

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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on July 08, 2015, 10:52:42 PM
What touch ??
Bringing Justin hodges onto stage to lift the shield
Oops bit slow, too many stubbies
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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on July 08, 2015, 10:55:31 PM
Downside of that game is i think james tamou is going to miss a couple of weeks

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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: rockygu4.8 on July 08, 2015, 10:58:12 PM
For some reason I just can NOT stop smiling and smiling and smiling and smiling and smiling and smiling and drinking BEER 
Just think how many southerners you can remind of how good game 3 was on your way north in your maroon truck.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Robbo on July 09, 2015, 06:15:50 AM
Unbelievable, what an awesome game. Probably the best Queensland Origin Team game ever.
Several records broken including the stadium crowd. 52,500
You Beauties, well done.  :cup: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: GeoffA on July 09, 2015, 06:43:00 AM
...from an impartial observers' view point, it wasn't much of a game to watch...but QLD'ers will say "so what"...

Cuppla questions....

What is the point of the scrum these days??

What has "origin" got to do with anything?
Looked like there were a few on the ground whose "origins" may not have been QLD or NSW.

 :cheers:

Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: GGV8Cruza on July 09, 2015, 06:47:21 AM
...from an impartial observers' view point, it wasn't much of a game to watch...but QLD'ers will say "so what"...

Cuppla questions....

What is the point of the scrum these days??



 :cheers:

Its time for a big group hug, might as well all stand around and hold hands and give the ball to someone to pass off.  ;D

GG
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Green rv on July 09, 2015, 07:32:34 AM
...from an impartial observers' view point, it wasn't much of a game to watch...but QLD'ers will say "so what"...

Cuppla questions....

What is the point of the scrum these days?? although the play of the ball is pointless it gets the players into formation

What has "origin" got to do with anything?  thats a electricity supplier must be a sponsors thing
Looked like there were a few on the ground whose "origins" may not have been QLD or NSW.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: patroldude on July 09, 2015, 07:32:35 AM
Just think how many southerners you can remind of how good game 3 was on your way north in your maroon truck.
Your all over it mate, just happen to have a Qld State of Origin flag on the back of the camper and a Maroon Cane Toad football strapped to the bull bar so they do not forget
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: krisandkev on July 09, 2015, 07:41:25 AM
I dont normally watch al the bs after match, but was surprised not one comment from the nsw commentators or players. It will be interesting to hear the press conferences. .......
No it won't. ........it'll be all bull $hit excuses,  never a recognition of a superior opponent

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I noticed the same thing, they just went dead, not one word.  Maybe it was a technical failure?   :'(    Buf i supposs it is hard to talk when crying.  Kevin
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: #jonesy on July 09, 2015, 08:23:42 AM
I thought the point of the scrum was to tie up some of the players, in turn to create a gaps for the team with the feed and and give them an advantage keeping the game flowing.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: gronk on July 09, 2015, 08:55:31 AM
Scrum needs to go....only good thing about it is it gives you time to race out and grab another stubbie.

The stinking canetoads deserved to win, but as usual, the refs will cop some flack for some crap decisions.

This running in and pretending to have a blue stuff makes them all look like schoolgirls........lets have a rule where you can carry a hankerchief and when you are angry, you're allowed to slap the other player in the face with it ?????    ;D
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: achjimmy on July 09, 2015, 08:59:18 AM
I am glad I watched the cricket now, wtf happened!,
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on July 09, 2015, 09:11:53 AM
I am glad I watched the cricket now, wtf happened!,
NSW believed their own press & thought all they had to do was turn up.

Trouble is somebody forgot to tell the Qlders

I really dont know what dodgy decisions gronk is on about.

The simple truth is nsw were terrible & qld were outstanding

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Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: oldmate on July 09, 2015, 09:33:27 AM
Nsw were terrible??

I think that's being very f'n generous.

I watched pawn stars from about the 45th min. Would have a clue what happened after that, but if that's the best performance nsw can provide for their first title defence in 10yrs then I'm sorry but origin is dead for me, not even going to bother watching it, it seams I am watching less and less NRL this year and that was another Nail in the coffin for me. It's supposed to be about 2 teams not 1. Well done qld, nsw can't even beat a bunch of old men.
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: scarpsD40 on July 09, 2015, 09:46:13 AM
Nsw were terrible??

I think that's being very f'n generous.

I watched pawn stars from about the 45th min. Would have a clue what happened after that, but if that's the best performance nsw can provide for their first title defence in 10yrs then I'm sorry but origin is dead for me, not even going to bother watching it, it seams I am watching less and less NRL this year and that was another Nail in the coffin for me. It's supposed to be about 2 teams not 1. Well done qld, nsw can't even beat a bunch of old men.
I'm hearing you. Sons and I all grew up with and played RL juniors around Newcastle & Lakes area, but in recent years having moved permanently to Vic, every time I've tried to re-engage with NRL it seems to be a short life trail.  Congrats to QLD. Our apologies for not putting up a better team,
Oldmate, I could've potentially got more pleasure watching the mrs at the hairdressers;D
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: gronk on July 09, 2015, 10:59:42 AM


I really dont know what dodgy decisions gronk is on about.

The simple truth is nsw were terrible & qld were outstanding


Yep, Qld were good and NSW were terrible......but it's always hard to see the dodgy decisions when it's your team getting away with it !

NSW getting penalised for a tackle on the kicker...dangerous throw.....rubbish, he had already let him go before he hit the ground..turned the whole attack around..
Inglis sweeping the ball back in goal over the dead ball line, then Dugan grabs it and gets into the field of play....then ruled a NSW line drop out ??  What the ??
Qld milking penalties for NSW holding too long in tackles....good on them for getting away with it....holding onto the tackler is the oldest trick in the book, the ref couldn't see out of his Qld goggles !! ;D
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: jkwpajero on July 09, 2015, 11:25:32 AM
NRL stands for Not Rugby League. There is absolutely nothing about what is has become that resembles how league is supposed to played. It has become contrived entertainment. And State Of Origin is the worst example of it. And you guessed it, I am not a NRL fan.  :-*

 :cheers:
James
AFL fan  :cup:
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Moggy on July 09, 2015, 12:38:05 PM
I am not a NRL fan.  :-*

 :cheers:
James
AFL fan  :cup:

Then why comment  ???  ???  ???

I know sweet FA about afl & so i dont comment on that thread, but if it gets your post count up................ 8)
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: jkwpajero on July 09, 2015, 01:30:42 PM
Then why comment  ???  ???  ???

I know sweet FA about afl & so i dont comment on that thread, but if it gets your post count up................ 8)

I played and followed league for years, until I saw the light which is AFL.  So why not comment? Is there a rule against it? >:D

James
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: krisandkev on July 09, 2015, 01:42:28 PM
Yep, Qld were good and NSW were terrible......but it's always hard to see the dodgy decisions when it's your team getting away with it !

NSW getting penalised for a tackle on the kicker...dangerous throw.....rubbish, he had already let him go before he hit the ground..turned the whole attack around..

I may be wrong, but I thought the offence occurred as soon as the person being tackled was lifted to past the horizontal and the tackler has lifted them by their legs?  Makes no difference if they let go before they hit the ground.   ???  Kevin
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: wilson79 on July 09, 2015, 02:23:41 PM
NRL stands for Not Rugby League. There is absolutely nothing about what is has become that resembles how league is supposed to played. It has become contrived entertainment. And State Of Origin is the worst example of it. And you guessed it, I am not a NRL fan.  :-*

 :cheers:
James
AFL fan  :cup:

Well its your right not to watch it mate ???, I don't watch Ariel Ping Pong either as it is boring as bat Shit to me..But I also don't Troll on the AFL thread either.
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: jkwpajero on July 09, 2015, 04:04:41 PM
Well its your right not to watch it mate ???, I don't watch Ariel Ping Pong either as it is boring as bat Shit to me..But I also don't Troll on the AFL thread either.

I am not trolling for Christs sake. It's just an opinion. No big deal. If you don't like AFL that's OK with me. I don't like NRL so get over it and move on hey? Back to talking about Origin. OK?

James
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: scarpsD40 on July 09, 2015, 04:11:27 PM
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Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: wilson79 on July 09, 2015, 04:16:02 PM
I am not trolling for Christs sake. It's just an opinion. No big deal. If you don't like AFL that's OK with me. I don't like NRL so get over it and move on hey? Back to talking about Origin. OK?

James

Calm down mate, I apologise if you took my msg to heart, but please understand when you are in a thread about NRL and make a statement  that " Im not an NRL fan" it may be seen as trolling just my opinion.. but all good you are right lets talk about Origin and how good Qld are.. :cheers:
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: tracker on July 09, 2015, 04:39:01 PM
This ones getting Hot...!!!! >:D
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: gronk on July 09, 2015, 04:47:00 PM
I may be wrong, but I thought the offence occurred as soon as the person being tackled was lifted to past the horizontal and the tackler has lifted them by their legs?  Makes no difference if they let go before they hit the ground.   ???  Kevin

Yep, you are right, but from what I saw, he wasn't lifted past horizontal.....but when he let him go, he fell onto the ground ( I think he landed on his shoulder )......even the commentators mentioned it was a soft penalty..

But, anyway, the NSW boys played crap and those stinking mongrel canetoads played well...

They've gotta get rid of that running in for a slap and tickle and looking at each other like a bunch of fairies......next they'll be comparing it to the Arial Faggot game !!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Moggy on July 09, 2015, 04:49:04 PM
This ones getting Hot...!!!! >:D

About as hot as Queenslands performance last night i reckon  ;D

From this point it'll probably resemble the nsw side.................................

...........................................

die a slow death   >:D
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Steffo1 on July 09, 2015, 04:49:17 PM
This ones getting Hot...!!!! >:D
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: jkwpajero on July 09, 2015, 05:08:47 PM
This is a serious question from a past Rugby League fan, in my younger years, now turncoat AFL fan.  :laugh:  Why are scrums such a joke now? They are always a feed into the 2nd row or the locks feet.  Rugby Union can still put down a scrum that is a contest for the ball. If they were replaced with a simple change over, would it improve the game?
James
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Rumpig on July 09, 2015, 05:44:34 PM

Qld milking penalties for NSW holding too long in tackles....good on them for getting away with it....holding onto the tackler is the oldest trick in the book, the ref couldn't see out of his Qld goggles !! ;D
Remind me again how NSW got it's first points in the game....Woods deserves an Oscar for that performance. Both teams were even in the acting stakes IMHO, Smiths lift was deserving of a penalty just as much as Woods was.

This is a serious question from a past Rugby League fan, in my younger years, now turncoat AFL fan.  :laugh:  Why are scrums such a joke now? They are always a feed into the 2nd row or the locks feet.  Rugby Union can still put down a scrum that is a contest for the ball. If they were replaced with a simple change over, would it improve the game?
James
It's been mentioned above already... scrums are there to set the field formation with less players in defence, and thus give the attacking team a chance of finding a gap to make a break somewhere. If you had all 13 players spread across the field from a hand over, there's no chance of finding a similar break in the defence. Pack 6 guys in a scrum in one area of the field, then you only have 7 players trying to defend the width of the field instead of all 13 of them.
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: wilson79 on July 09, 2015, 05:49:11 PM
This is a serious question from a past Rugby League fan, in my younger years, now turncoat AFL fan.  :laugh:  Why are scrums such a joke now? They are always a feed into the 2nd row or the locks feet.  Rugby Union can still put down a scrum that is a contest for the ball. If they were replaced with a simple change over, would it improve the game?
James

Yes this is a common question and yes the current scrums are a joke and it would seem a simple turn over and play the ball more suitable... But as said earlier the idea was to open the field up to create a bit of excitement and encourage some ball movement hence why they seem to stick with them..
In my opinion if they are going to stick with the scrum they need to make the players pack them as they should using the forward pack and letting the speedsters do there thing out wide at the moment any one can pack into the scrum..
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Moggy on July 09, 2015, 05:54:06 PM
This is a serious question from a past Rugby League fan, in my younger years, now turncoat AFL fan.  :laugh:  Why are scrums such a joke now? They are always a feed into the 2nd row or the locks feet.  Rugby Union can still put down a scrum that is a contest for the ball. If they were replaced with a simple change over, would it improve the game?
James
My opinion is that its to easy to forget all the delays & penalties that were handed out because of scrums. Back in the "good old days", there would be a penalty for incorrect feed, not square, not packed, feet across the scrum, lock not packed, pushing to early, screwing the scrum around.......and on .... and on.... and on............
So to improve the game (which it has) the scrums are basically uncontested, so really its only your opinion that they're a joke.

Now I dont like uncontested & do find them a blight on the game in the current format, but smarter men than me are controlling the game & besides I tend to look at them as attacking opportunities.

As far as rugby scrums, really.....? I've never studied it (terrible game to many stoppages) but the games i have watched, a high percentage are decided by penalties (ok i know thats the points issue) & i suspect a lot of scrum penalties. Sure its a contest but there are also a lot of infringements & league has always been a faster game.

I think scrums should be considered as a chess analogy, its strategy & opportunity......and hey it gives the players a bit of a break
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: trevc on July 09, 2015, 05:56:02 PM
Yes this is a common question and yes the current scrums are a joke and it would seem a simple turn over and play the ball more suitable... But as said earlier the idea was to open the field up to create a bit of excitement and encourage some ball movement hence why they seem to stick with them..
In my opinion if they are going to stick with the scrum they need to make the players pack them as they should using the forward pack and letting the speedsters do there thing out wide at the moment any one can pack into the scrum..

My concern with tightening the scrum up is it has the risk of going like Rugby where they often repack the scrum multiple times and leads to an excessive mount of penalties. Even though we traditionalists might not lie the current scrum I think it works as intended.

Trev
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: jkwpajero on July 09, 2015, 06:17:09 PM
Moggy, I am not Einstein but the rules, as they stand currently, are pretty clear http://www.nrl.com/portals/nrl/RadEditor/Documents/NRL%20Rules%20book%202013FINAL.pdf (http://www.nrl.com/portals/nrl/RadEditor/Documents/NRL%20Rules%20book%202013FINAL.pdf) Read section 12 covering scrums. Don't shoot me just because I have asked a simple question about the game. That is my last post on the subject.  Seconds out, fighters ready? Ring the bell !!!!!

James
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Moggy on July 09, 2015, 06:25:04 PM
Moggy, I am not Einstein but the rules, as they stand currently, are pretty clear http://www.nrl.com/portals/nrl/RadEditor/Documents/NRL%20Rules%20book%202013FINAL.pdf (http://www.nrl.com/portals/nrl/RadEditor/Documents/NRL%20Rules%20book%202013FINAL.pdf) Read section 12 covering scrums. Don't shoot me just because I have asked a simple question about the game. That is my last post on the subject.  Seconds out, fighters ready? Ring the bell !!!!!

James

WOFT

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Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: sol on July 09, 2015, 08:21:50 PM
I think we should just congratulate Queensland on a magnificent win and look forward to next years series.   :-*

      :cheers:
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: bluejay on July 09, 2015, 09:20:25 PM
Its true after last night match im convinced the nsw blues couldnt beat time with stick... may be they need a new conductor
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Foo on July 10, 2015, 04:26:29 AM
Gotta laugh how quick the cockroach supporters call for heads to roll. I was coming back up from Narrabri in the truck and listening to Talkin Sport. Well poke my eyes out with a red hot poker iron and jam a a pinapple up my rectum. You lot just don't get it do you?

Laurie Daley knows what it takes but he has to many knobs around him that talk chit! One day you lot will understand loyalty and how to make a team gel and why the hell would you bring back that idiot Ennis? Fools but why should I care, I from QLD. Hahaha

Foo
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Robbo on July 10, 2015, 05:03:30 AM
Maybe if they had taken Gal's advice... ;D ;D
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Garfish on July 10, 2015, 05:51:29 AM
Great result,
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: bluejay on July 10, 2015, 08:00:02 AM
But all jokes etc aside i have read that the origin players get $30,000 per match \some one correct me if im wrong please\ so this being the case if you wear the blue or maroon for 3 matches you get $90,000 and it doesnt matter if you are missing in action on the field and drop every ball you try to catch miss tackle after tackle or shed tears, deep down in side your laughing all the way to the bank.Good luck to them all.
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: muzza01 on July 10, 2015, 10:45:45 AM
Couple of points that I noticed.

If NSW had concentrated on playing the game of football in lieu of grubby tactics that resulted in penalties; the result could have been different. Ennis was picked solely because of his grubby tactics in the ruck and not because he is the best hooker for NSW.

John Thurston wasn't the best on field for QLD, that award should have gone to Mitchell Pearce. His contribution to QLD winning was even better than his efforts of a couple of years ago. Why they continue to pick him I don't know. his father was a RL legend, Mitchell plays good footy only when he is the mood to. Slacker.

Typical NSW decision, let's sack everyone and start fresh again and again and again. They NSW will never learn.

NSW should stop believing their media on how good they are and just play footy. The new Legacy, Dynasty that was talked up turned out to be one in a row.

NSW constantly referring to the QLD side as too old and hasbeens; well ... If that is true, They got absolutely flogged by some old hasbeens.

As much as I hate Gallen, he was the only member of NSW that was still giving 110% at the 65 minute mark. He set a great example to the rest of his team but unfortunately they didn't care.
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Rumpig on July 10, 2015, 11:43:53 AM

As much as I hate Gallen, he was the only member of NSW that was still giving 110% at the 65 minute mark. He set a great example to the rest of his team but unfortunately they didn't care.
i reckon Woods and Klemmer were still trying to the end also, but the belting Qld gave all the team throughout the game in both attack and defence, had them with little energy to make any impact.
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Bird on July 10, 2015, 12:31:31 PM
Quote from: Moggy
so really its only your opinion that they're a joke.
no.. mine and numerous mates that played the game think they are a farce.

Same as stupid rules like you get held up in goal, you get the ball back ??? firm faeces.. you tried, n failed. ball goes to the other side. Theres so much about the game I just don't understand anymore... happy not to either.

Honestly scrums aren't that hard to get right... look at ARU..  same as the old days if people wanted to get them right they did.. same as anything, you **** it up, you get penalised..


Why do all games think they need to be a game of 10yr old "hot potato" to be entertaining... Faster and faster doesn't mean more entertaining or enjoyable...
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Moggy on July 10, 2015, 02:01:02 PM
no.. mine and numerous mates that played the game think they are a farce.

It still only your opinion, except now you have a few supposed mates who think the same.
I to have mates that rabbit on about rule changes & the "good old days"...........Dinosaurs
As i said i dont make the rules, so why waste time & mental effort crying about Shit i cant change.

Theres so much about the game I just don't understand anymore... happy not to either.
Then why watch it?
If its that fuhkin bad turn the bloody channel over & stop whingin & bitchin about it

Honestly scrums aren't that hard to get right... look at ARU..  same as the old days if people wanted to get them right they did.. same as anything, you **** it up, you get penalised..
Yeh gotta love them "good old days" eh
I suggest you refer to previous comments (not just mine) about the "great" rugby scrums. I dont know the stats but i reckon a high percentage of penalties in rugby are scrum orientated.
NRL are actually trying to reduce stoppages, hence why the changes to scrums.

... Faster and faster doesn't mean more entertaining or enjoyable...

Actually I think you'll find it does
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Bird on July 10, 2015, 03:02:09 PM
Quote from: Moggy
Actually I think you'll find it does
maybe you should watch the 100mtr sprint races then.
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Garfish on July 10, 2015, 04:37:04 PM
But all jokes etc aside i have read that the origin players get $30,000 per match \some one correct me if im wrong please\ so this being the case if you wear the blue or maroon for 3 matches you get $90,000 and it doesnt matter if you are missing in action on the field and drop every ball you try to catch miss tackle after tackle or shed tears, deep down in side your laughing all the way to the bank.Good luck to them all.

The 90k isn't much after tax, agent fees.   When your on 300+


Cherry daly Evans will get 50k per club game.   

Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: bluejay on July 10, 2015, 05:14:43 PM
$90,000 FOR THREE GAMES IS GOOD MONEY well to me it is and as for cherry  thats $49,986 to much
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: DaveR on July 10, 2015, 05:19:33 PM
I'm almost disappointed that I was out at Gordon Country now.
What a game I missed.
52 - 6
Yer baby, bring it on.....
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Moggy on July 10, 2015, 05:31:12 PM
maybe you should watch the 100mtr sprint races then.
So you're suggesting i should watch an event that lasts 10 seconds as opposed to 80+ minutes..............


Uuuuuuuhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm
Let me think about that...............



Computer says Nooooooooooooooo

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Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Rumpig on July 10, 2015, 05:57:17 PM
I normally don't watch the Thursday night footy show as i reckon Fatty and Beau Ryan are tools, but had to watch it last night so as to see the NSW guys talk about Origin. How good was it watching Gallen struggled to talk about the loss, he just didn't want to speak about the game at all  8) 8) 8) He could barely give Qld a single compliment, atleast Finch was able to give credit were it was due with the way Qld played.
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Foo on July 10, 2015, 07:06:23 PM
There is a big difference between showing respect for you opponents and disrespect/contempt. You don't continually run down your opponents or belittle them and then expect it to not have an impact on how they react.

The NSW Team thought that what the press and their halfwit support staff said about how good they were was truth, well it was contemptuous BS.  >:D

Should Laurie Daley be given the boot, no. Should the hangers on and wanna bees get the boot chit yeah but I'm an un abashed QLDer so I don't really give a chit but we show loyalty to the players and not contempt to the opposition and that my friends, is the difference.  ;D

Foo
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Moggy on July 10, 2015, 08:20:00 PM
he wasn't lifted past horizontal.....but when he let him go, he fell onto the ground


So this one ???

(http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae148/armoggy/SOO3%20Tackle_zpsjdbhk2pv.jpg) (http://s966.photobucket.com/user/armoggy/media/SOO3%20Tackle_zpsjdbhk2pv.jpg.html)
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: wilson79 on July 10, 2015, 10:05:54 PM
I normally don't watch the Thursday night footy show as i reckon Fatty and Beau Ryan are tools, but had to watch it last night so as to see the NSW guys talk about Origin. How good was it watching Gallen struggled to talk about the loss, he just didn't want to speak about the game at all  8) 8) 8) He could barely give Qld a single compliment, atleast Finch was able to give credit were it was due with the way Qld played.

X2
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
Post by: Snapman007 on July 10, 2015, 11:31:19 PM
So this one ???

(http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae148/armoggy/SOO3%20Tackle_zpsjdbhk2pv.jpg) (http://s966.photobucket.com/user/armoggy/media/SOO3%20Tackle_zpsjdbhk2pv.jpg.html)


Tilt your head 50 deg clockwise and it's all good.
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Garfish on July 11, 2015, 06:50:31 AM
Fixed it for you, parkers feet are pointing down now

Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Garfish on July 11, 2015, 07:00:06 AM
Here's a screen shot of Beau Scott's throw on smith,  where to quote an earlier post

" he wasn't lifted past horizontal..."..but when he let him go, he fell onto the ground ( I think he landed on his shoulder )......even the " NSW"commentators mentioned it was a soft penalty
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: wilson79 on July 11, 2015, 08:01:21 AM
Here's a screen shot of Beau Scott's throw on smith,  where to quote an earlier post

" he wasn't lifted past horizontal..."..but when he let him go, he fell onto the ground ( I think he landed on his shoulder )......even the " NSW"commentators mentioned it was a soft penalty

Agree 100% it was a soft penalty, but in todays game as soon as someone hits the turf head or shoulders first they are going to blow the whistle, as a fan and in light of recent events I can live with that..
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: DaveR on July 11, 2015, 07:18:41 PM
I normally don't watch the Thursday night footy show as i reckon Fatty and Beau Ryan are tools, but had to watch it last night so as to see the NSW guys talk about Origin. How good was it watching Gallen struggled to talk about the loss, he just didn't want to speak about the game at all  8) 8) 8) He could barely give Qld a single compliment, atleast Finch was able to give credit were it was due with the way Qld played.

How good a Job did the TV shows make up folk do on his battered Mug?    ;D
Title: Re: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Moggy on July 13, 2015, 04:45:59 PM
http://theunaustralian.net/2015/05/26/robbie-farah-sacked-as-blues-captain-for-failing-tattoo-quota/ (http://theunaustralian.net/2015/05/26/robbie-farah-sacked-as-blues-captain-for-failing-tattoo-quota/)

 :cup: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: DaveR on July 13, 2015, 05:01:18 PM
Very funny
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: rags on July 13, 2015, 06:32:53 PM
I think he may have one under the jumper saying PREMIERS 2005 beating the COWBOYS but as a long suffering tigers fan that was an eternity ago and I think the Cowboys should correct that this year.
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: Rumpig on July 13, 2015, 07:43:15 PM
Heard JT getting interviewed on the weekend about his "conversation" he had with Pearce towards the end of the game...seems Pearce gave JT an absolute mouthfull after their game 2 win, so JT was all to happy to remind him of that. JT told Pearce, the only way he'd get a photo of him with the Origin Sheild, was if he went and stood beside the Wally Lewis staue after the game..lol...that's a pisser  ;D ;D ;D Wonder if Pearce has learnt not to count his chickens before they hatch now  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: State of Origin 2015
Post by: muzza01 on July 13, 2015, 09:09:28 PM
Heard JT getting interviewed on the weekend about his "conversation" he had with Pearce towards the end of the game...seems Pearce gave JT an absolute mouthfull after their game 2 win, so JT was all to happy to remind him of that. JT told Pearce, the only way he'd get a photo of him with the Origin Sheild, was if he went and stood beside the Wally Lewis staue after the game..lol...that's a pisser  ;D ;D ;D Wonder if Pearce has learnt not to count his chickens before they hatch now  ;D ;D ;D
Hey, don't knock Pearce. He was one of QLDs best players on the ground last Wednesday.