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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: pedrogb on March 10, 2015, 09:32:50 PM
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Hi all
OK so now the safety police say I can't use my butane cooker any more (my wife heard about it on Facebook - dammit)
And it was the only thing gas powered she will use without stressing!
What new toy I am going to have to buy so SWMBO can boil the kettle for a cuppa?
I have a trangia metho burner, is slow but reliable
Any other suggestions?
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I'll keep using my butane cooker.... This situation is a big beat up...
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Kelly kettle and a box of matches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCR-ie9H_w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCR-ie9H_w) ;D
As Pog said, been using ours probably 10 years without any troubles .
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Hi,
this was covered some years ago in a safety paper I read some where.
The problem arises when a large pan is put on the burner and the heat is reflected down onto the canister.
If the pan is small enough for the flames/heat to escape upwards and not overheat the canister, I gather there is no problem.
Note: I have no expertise in gas safety whatsoever.
cheers
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Try a canister stove. These guys are more for the lightweight Hiking market than swaging per say, and while you will baulk at the price (start at $20 go to $lots) something like this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/like/271657692962?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=107&chn=ps (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/like/271657692962?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=107&chn=ps)
the canisters come in tiny 100g, 200g or 450 gram. A 200g one should be about $9. However the heat output is so much more than $9 of the other butane ones, you get much more bang for your buck. One of the really popular models of this style of stove is by MSR, and is called the pocket rocket! But they are safe, if you follow the manufacturers directions, and they are pretty fool proof. Dont use a wind shield, use in a well ventilated space. Unlike the old hiking canister stoves these have a screw thread, so separate the burner from the canister for travel.
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Hi,
this was covered some years ago in a safety paper I read some where.
The problem arises when a large pan is put on the burner and the heat is reflected down onto the canister.
If the pan is small enough for the flames/heat to escape upwards and not overheat the canister, I gather there is no problem.
Note: I have no expertise in gas safety whatsoever.
cheers
So simple to fix, with a cheap retro fitment 3 or 4mm thick flexible reflective heat sheild mat to sit over the top of the unit to protect the gas cannister from overheating ..
But then people dont read the instructions for use now , so I m guessing they wouldnt use the heat sheild properly if at all anyway .
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Hi,
this was covered some years ago in a safety paper I read some where....
Note: I have no expertise in gas safety whatsoever.
cheers
Yes you have and it's called common sense but like most of us you don't get any special award for that-
http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2014.html (http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2014.html)
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Hi all
OK so now the safety police say I can't use my butane cooker any more (my wife heard about it on Facebook - dammit)
And it was the only thing gas powered she will use without stressing!
What new toy I am going to have to buy so SWMBO can boil the kettle for a cuppa?
I have a trangia metho burner, is slow but reliable
Any other suggestions?
Before butane cookers we used to use single burners that screw straight into a smaller gas bottle (2kg etc). The first trick is to find one with a good heat output, some were/are hopeless and the second is to find someone to refill the gas cylinder.
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There was a few cases years ago that stoves had 'blown up' because people hadn't turned the top cover (trivet) thing over, so heated the canister and result was disaster.
I stopped using them years ago, only because I had a can puncture in the car while traveling. The cans are very thin and long corrugated roads can see things move and rub. It was a big enough scare to think what could have happened if it ignited when the can punctured.
If i need a small one burner stove I use a coleman dual fuel stove with shellite. Not cheap, but good quality.
Like anything, just use commonsense and the risk should be minimal. There is some risk in everything in life.
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Wait a month or two for the new improved models to come out and buy another cheapie !! :cheers:
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I'll keep using my butane cooker.... This situation is a big beat up...
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still plenty of the butane cookers on fleabay, so cant be that serious
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A letter from Gasmate about their butane cooker
http://www.gasmate.com.au/uploads/1503-Portable-Cooker-Public-Notice.pdf (http://www.gasmate.com.au/uploads/1503-Portable-Cooker-Public-Notice.pdf)
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still plenty of the butane cookers on fleabay, so cant be that serious
Some ebay sellers knows more than every state regulatory body in Australia. LOL
KB
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lol
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Some ebay sellers knows more than every state regulatory body in Australia. LOL
KB
most are in chinlee and don't care!
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most are in chinlee and don't care!
E xac ery ;)
KB
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"There was a few cases years ago that stoves had 'blown up' because people hadn't turned the top cover (trivet) thing over, so heated the canister and result was disaster."
Can't see how they could engage the gas with the trivet in pack up mode.
As for puncturing gas cans common sense should prevail but the omniscient ones haven't deemed the threat serious enough to ban them yet.
This is a beat-up by office jocks whose greatest threat to their cosseted existence is a paper-cut at the photocopier.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-10/scramble-to-determine-safety-of-portable-gas-cookers/6296160?section=business (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-10/scramble-to-determine-safety-of-portable-gas-cookers/6296160?section=business)
Starting to snowball to most states
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I'll second the Coleman single burner pressure stove (533 / Sportster II)... uses shellite, or ULP !!
WAY more heat output than the little butane stoves, built like a tank, repairable, ... and if you run out of shellite, ULP is pretty easy to find !! ;D
We have used 2 for many years without any issue. When you finish using them, you de-pressurize them so there's no pressurized fuel stored in the vehicle.
http://www.ebay.com.au/bhp/coleman-dual-fuel-stove (http://www.ebay.com.au/bhp/coleman-dual-fuel-stove)
Kevin
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Does anyone here actually call then a lunchbox cooker????
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"There was a few cases years ago that stoves had 'blown up' because people hadn't turned the top cover (trivet) thing over, so heated the canister and result was disaster."
Can't see how they could engage the gas with the trivet in pack up mode.
As for puncturing gas cans common sense should prevail but the omniscient ones haven't deemed the threat serious enough to ban them yet.
This is a beat-up by office jocks whose greatest threat to their cosseted existence is a paper-cut at the photocopier.
It has more to do with the failure of the locking device ,rather then a trivet plate upside down or a oversize hotplate /pan.
I think wiser people than some user have a better understanding of the issues and inherent failure /dangers of these cookers including the AGA certifying body that tests and issues most gas appliances in aust,
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It has more to do with the failure of the locking device ,
Push anything hard enough and it will break.
And if pushing it hard doesn't fix it use a hammer.
Have you noticed the prevalence of burnt out caravans in the doom and gloom press? Both of my stoves have instructions printed on them to avoid using them in caravans.
S
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The reporting has been all over the place with this and that report from gasmate posted above is the clearest thing I've seen. Facebook and other social media is a nuisance with so much rubbish being posted it's hard to find what is real and what is not.
One thing I have noticed is my parents one - which is years old you have to turn the trivet thing over whereas the couple I've had that are much newer the box it goes in is higher and the trivet is the right way up and packs up like that, in fact I don't think you can sit it upside down. So the problem with overheating cylinders shouldn't be a problem with the new ones leaving only the locking pin system, which works fine but can be a little fiddly if you aren't careful.
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"I think wiser people than some user have a better understanding of the issues and inherent failure /dangers of these cookers including the AGA certifying body that tests and issues most gas appliances in aust,"
Like your blind faith rags but I'm not about to ditch the idea of regular elections for our leaders. As for the unelected ones, these are folk who presumably mandated an extra couple of gas taps under my Jayco, one for the fridge and one for the stove, but if one of them starts leaking/burning I'll leave you to scramble underneath while I head for the gas bottle tap mate. Oh and don't forget to call in a gasfitter to check for any teflon tape they used on gas fittings and replace it with newer liquid teflon Standard or we're all gunna fry.
It's like this. Better standards with improved/more economic technology makes eminent sense in any cost/benefit analysis. Think electrical RCDs, smoke detectors, ABS brakes, etc. However there's the increasing problem of more marginal calls and a tendency to bedwetting with these PS types who have come to believe you can legislate away anything that goes bump in the night and/or the idiots involved. These Standards and OHS people will tell you with straight face- 'All accidents are preventable!' but they leaving off the bleeding obvious- 'At what cost?'
And that's the rub with these cookers. Thousands of us thousands of times every day, for years have used and enjoyed their benefits and now we're to can all that for an infinitesimal number of incidents and the dickheads. That's because a bunch of public servants, who have largely hunkered down most reasonable Standards are sitting around with their intrays empty and looking for make work programs to justify their existence and welcome to their increasingly marginal decision-making and the choking, stultifying nanny-state they've created. Time to weigh the benefits against the cost of these people and their increasingly marginal decisionmaking.
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"I think wiser people than some user have a better understanding of the issues and inherent failure /dangers of these cookers including the AGA certifying body that tests and issues most gas appliances in aust,"
Like your blind faith rags but I'm not about to ditch the idea of regular elections for our leaders. As for the unelected ones, these are folk who presumably mandated an extra couple of gas taps under my Jayco, one for the fridge and one for the stove, but if one of them starts leaking/burning I'll leave you to scramble underneath while I head for the gas bottle tap mate. Oh and don't forget to call in a gasfitter to check for any teflon tape they used on gas fittings and replace it with newer liquid teflon Standard or we're all gunna fry.
It's like this. Better standards with improved/more economic technology makes eminent sense in any cost/benefit analysis. Think electrical RCDs, smoke detectors, ABS brakes, etc. However there's the increasing problem of more marginal calls and a tendency to bedwetting with these PS types who have come to believe you can legislate away anything that goes bump in the night and/or the idiots involved. These Standards and OHS people will tell you with straight face- 'All accidents are preventable!' but they leaving off the bleeding obvious- 'At what cost?'
And that's the rub with these cookers. Thousands of us thousands of times every day, for years have used and enjoyed their benefits and now we're to can all that for an infinitesimal number of incidents and the dickheads. That's because a bunch of public servants, who have largely hunkered down most reasonable Standards are sitting around with their intrays empty and looking for make work programs to justify their existence and welcome to their increasingly marginal decision-making and the choking, stultifying nanny-state they've created. Time to weigh the benefits against the cost of these people and their increasingly marginal decisionmaking.
I agree, but the unfortunate thing about the "dickheads" is that they don't know that they are dickheads and modern society feels the need to protect these people from themselves and a blanket rule is how it is dealt with.
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I agree, but the unfortunate thing about the "dickheads" is that they don't know that they are dickheads and modern society feels the need to protect these people from themselves and a blanket rule is how it is dealt with.
Post of the month, :cup:
Take the warning label off everything and natural selection will do it's job.
The heard will only get stronger.
;D
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I agree, but the unfortunate thing about the "dickheads" is that they don't know that they are dickheads and modern society feels the need to protect these people from themselves and a blanket rule is how it is dealt with.
And the rest of the innocent society needs to be protected from these same d#*#head as well
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Does anyone here actually call then a lunchbox cooker????
I always called mine the fly spray can thingo
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I always called mine the fly spray can thingo
Your a kiwi aren't you?? You blokes from the eastern state always call things something different ;D ;D
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:)
Hang on cloudy I can't find ma jandles. ..think there in the chillibin
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Hang on cloudy I can't find ma jandles. ..think there in the chillibin
.....bro'......
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Hang on cloudy I can't find ma jandles. ..think there in the chillibin
Make sure you slow down over the judder bars when finding your jandles ;D
Once you found your jandles you can go tramping to find the chillibin..
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Hey you can't tell me judder bar isn't better than speed bump
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The Minister for all things that could possibly go bump in the night would prefer you to refer to them by their correct nomenclature as traffic calming devices and forthwith issues an edict to that effect.
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The other name for bumps on the road in nz is possum
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The other name for bumps on the road in nz is possum
I thought it was Maori's..
Sh!t did I just say that out loud.. My bad ;D ;D
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Lol.
Then they go to maori hospital.....brorepairs
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Lol.
Then they go to maori hospital.....brorepairs
:cup: Pmsl
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Is it all butane stoves?
I have one that is years old and still going strong. It still has original price tag on the box. If I remember correctly $74. Build much better than recent cheap models.
Peter
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Not all aparantly check the other thread on them it's got a list of ok ones
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"Is it all butane stoves?"
No like the man said they have a list but it's all about the odd dickhead putting too large a pan on them thereby heating the gas canister and poof apparently, although it's like getting struck by lightning or some such. They're not telling us. Makes you wonder why they don't let these maroons out to join the Caliphate for target practice while the rest of us get on enjoying our lives.
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letter i got today from companion brands
Dear Valued Customer
We are now in our second week of the Department of Fair Trade NSW action on cartridge cookers, and at this stage we have no clear defined direction from the relevant authorities as yet.
All of our stoves have been approved and tested in accordance with all gas safety standards, and were only recently tested and found to be compliant. We have been in discussions with the approving authorities and are hopeful of a positive outcome next week. As is stands today, all single burner stoves are still on hold in all states, however the two burner model 2282 can be sold in all states excluding NSW.
Clearly we will do whatever is required in order to be compliant, however at this stage we are in a bit of a holding pattern until such time as the authorities give us some clear direction in writing.
We apologise for the inconvenience, and I hope to have a clear plan of action to you early next week.
:cheers:
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Well after a dvd training sesion of watching the " Hurt locker " it was time to suit up with the safety gear [ t-shirt shorts and beer ] and take life by the horns and give the DEATH cooker from hell a test fire .. The curried paster and I have survived so far, next to be undertaken is putting dusky memories of Assault Pioneer DMEO, UXO, Booby trapping and mine warfare training into action to make safe the unexploded ordnance [ UXO ] and place it in safe bomb proof storage ..
Then settle the nerves with a quieting amber ale . ;D
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Well there we were the mates and I, cogitating as you naturally do, as to what on earth's to be done with all these killer cookers when seemingly out of nowhere but the home brew, the group hit on a cunning plan for our spooks, sundry clandestine ops boys, facebook and twitter lurkers. Of course! ISIS needs our killer cookers and who better to purloin them to the schmucks but those disenchanted with Peta Credlin, the state of our roads, the number of speed cameras or the odd peddo who thinks 9 year olds are suitable marrying material? This is eminently fertile ground for recruiting clandestine distributors of halal lunchbox cookers and associated large halal Chinese frypan giveaways with each cooker. The Caliphate urgently needs halal cooking gear is the lure, plus the adventure of parachuting in with desperately needed supplies for the advancement of Allah, not to mention the instructions in Chinglish. Hell who needs expensive parachutes taking up valuable halal lunchbox cooker space in their packs? Allah Akbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrr... >:D
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Speaking of chlorinating the gene pool, remember 'they cook among us' to rephrase the BIL and compliments of-
https://www.youtube.com/embed/l-w-mWhIWEM (https://www.youtube.com/embed/l-w-mWhIWEM)
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Well after a dvd training sesion of watching the " Hurt locker " it was time to suit up with the safety gear [ t-shirt shorts and beer ]
Mate, don't forget the pluggers.
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letter i got today from companion brands
Dear Valued Customer
We are now in our second week of the Department of Fair Trade NSW action on cartridge cookers, and at this stage we have no clear defined direction from the relevant authorities as yet.
All of our stoves have been approved and tested in accordance with all gas safety standards, and were only recently tested and found to be compliant. We have been in discussions with the approving authorities and are hopeful of a positive outcome next week. As is stands today, all single burner stoves are still on hold in all states, however the two burner model 2282 can be sold in all states excluding NSW.
Clearly we will do whatever is required in order to be compliant, however at this stage we are in a bit of a holding pattern until such time as the authorities give us some clear direction in writing.
We apologise for the inconvenience, and I hope to have a clear plan of action to you early next week.
:cheers:
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I wandered into Rays Outdoors today with my Wild Country (Rays Brand) twin butane cooker and asked for my recall refund only to be advised that there hasn't been a recall on that model as yet, so no refund for me. They aren't selling any at the moment until they get clarification on the fault and whether it affects their models.
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Shoulda pulled out your oversize frypan and started cooking snags on their counter, bet they would of refunded you then ;D
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Shoulda pulled out your oversize frypan and started cooking snags on their counter, bet they would of refunded you then ;D
nah, they actually gave me the ****s so I bought a new porta potti
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nah, they actually gave me the ****s so I bought a new porta potti
Hahahha. Try before buy?
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Hahahha. Try before buy?
thought the price was pretty crap til they told me I'd get loyalty points. My response? I'm not that regular!
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thought the price was pretty crap til they told me I'd get loyalty points. My response? I'm not that regular!
They didn't throw in some metamucil. That helps make you regular.
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They didn't throw in some metamucil. That helps make you regular.
so does having to go to work each day. Regularly every morning I've got the ****s
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so does having to go to work each day. Regularly every morning I've got the ****s
See you are regular ;)
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See you are regular ;)
not on Saturday, Sunday and public holidays
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not on Saturday, Sunday and public holidays
That's ok, squeeze ya bum cheeks together on those days ;D ;D
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That's ok, squeeze ya bum cheeks together on those days ;D ;D
Yes but by Sunday... Look there's Mr Hanky
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hi all. still using our stove as we have for years just use to directions and she"ll be right mate.
they came in handy here on central coast in blackout
some people had no power for days
enjoy lige
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interesting today while havin time to waste.... went to annaconda, they still sell the tins for the single burner not to be sold stoves.
Asked him to show me their dual fuel stoves - "we havent sold them in 7 years"
I went next door to Rays, asked to show me their dual fuel stoves, and they dont sell them either - despite the link earlier in the thread.... but also had the tins of fuel for the not to be sold stoves...
so... found that very strange...
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Tins can be used in more than just the stoves ( fire starter, heaters etc) that's why you still see them on sale
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We will still be using ours ... cautiously of course. They are quite good when used according to the directions of not covering the cylinder....
Cheers,
Sue
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We will still be using ours ... cautiously of course. They are quite good when used according to the directions of not covering the cylinder....
Imagine that.. someone following the instructions!!!!!!!
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interesting today while havin time to waste.... went to annaconda, they still sell the tins for the single burner not to be sold stoves.
Asked him to show me their dual fuel stoves - "we havent sold them in 7 years"
I went next door to Rays, asked to show me their dual fuel stoves, and they dont sell them either - despite the link earlier in the thread.... but also had the tins of fuel for the not to be sold stoves...
so... found that very strange...
http://www.tentworld.com.au/searchproducts.aspx?searchitem=dual+fuel&search=Search (http://www.tentworld.com.au/searchproducts.aspx?searchitem=dual+fuel&search=Search)
FYI
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Even and $240 I'll still use my old butane burners until the new ones come out then look at changing over then
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Even and $240 I'll still use my old butane burners until the new ones come out then look at changing over then
yea I had the 240 one and it was rubbish, was looking at the single burner, but at that price it isn't a bargain that's for certain..
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Hi all, thought I better respond as I started this discussion
I bought a companion single wok burner like this one
http://www.tentworld.com.au/products/cooking/item/companion-1-burner-wok-cooker-stove.aspx (http://www.tentworld.com.au/products/cooking/item/companion-1-burner-wok-cooker-stove.aspx)
On special at one of the big chains for $60
I always have a second gas cylinder on the camper anyway, doesn't require much more space than the butane one, and the burner has a built in igniter, so it has proven to be a good choice.
Belts out the heat as well
Pedro
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I just came across this idea, its cheaper and smaller than the butane heater but uses the same tins
Buy an adaptor like
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3-Leg-Transfer-Head-Adaptor-Nozzle-Gas-Bottle-Screwgate-Camping-Stove-Gear-CN-/361101927333?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item54135a23a5 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3-Leg-Transfer-Head-Adaptor-Nozzle-Gas-Bottle-Screwgate-Camping-Stove-Gear-CN-/361101927333?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item54135a23a5)
or
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transfer-Nozzle-Head-Connector-Camping-Stove-Burner-Gear-Gas-Fuel-Bottle-Adaptor/381258797506?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3Db7d592029ce942af92dc4a0642f6cfe0%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D361101927333&rt=nc (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transfer-Nozzle-Head-Connector-Camping-Stove-Burner-Gear-Gas-Fuel-Bottle-Adaptor/381258797506?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3Db7d592029ce942af92dc4a0642f6cfe0%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D361101927333&rt=nc)
And then the burner of choice
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Safe-Handy-Picnic-Cooking-Utility-Camping-Mini-Metal-Steel-Stove-Case-/271530871203?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3f388049a3 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Safe-Handy-Picnic-Cooking-Utility-Camping-Mini-Metal-Steel-Stove-Case-/271530871203?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3f388049a3)
or
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Portable-Outdoor-Gas-Stove-Backpacking-Camping-Outdoor-Cook-Burner-Ultralight/381229389141?rt=nc&_soffid=5005739308&_soffType=OrderSubTotalOffer&_trksid=p5731.m3795 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Portable-Outdoor-Gas-Stove-Backpacking-Camping-Outdoor-Cook-Burner-Ultralight/381229389141?rt=nc&_soffid=5005739308&_soffType=OrderSubTotalOffer&_trksid=p5731.m3795)
or even all in one unit
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Outdoor-Portable-Stove-Cooker-Gas-Burner-for-Camping-Hiking-Picnic-Cookout-BBQ-/301182621832?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item461fe21888 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Outdoor-Portable-Stove-Cooker-Gas-Burner-for-Camping-Hiking-Picnic-Cookout-BBQ-/301182621832?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item461fe21888)
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I used mine on the weekend and lived to tell the tale, mine is about 10 yo and i cant see how the flame could possibly reach the canister .
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I used mine on the weekend and lived to tell the tale, mine is about 10 yo and i cant see how the flame could possibly reach the canister .
Leaking gas, due to a faulty safety valve, could easily reach the flame though :D
KB
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Leaking gas, due to a faulty safety valve, could easily reach the flame though :D
KB
I think the problem was the valve not shutting when there was an overtemp issue, so as long as the seal is good when the cannister is inserted, there shouldn't be a problem..
Even using a small saucepan on one, it doesn't take much effort to feel the cannister while cooking to see if the cannister is cool/ warm/hot ??
Commonsense use to be fairly normal years ago....where did it get to ???
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I used mine on the weekend and lived to tell the tale, mine is about 10 yo and i cant see how the flame could possibly reach the canister .
not possible... :P
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We have had blackouts the past two days and used ours (inside) and we enjoyed hot cuppas and cooked meals
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Please have a look at: http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=42153.0, (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=42153.0,) message 179 on page 8.
I passed on there what a bloke in the camping store told me the other week concerning the "problem".
It would appear that you "should" be able to test your own stove & make your own decision as to whether it's safe to use.
A combination of that & not putting too big a pan on top, should probably be fine
Graeme