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Title: Bank cheque security?
Post by: pinarelloman on December 21, 2014, 12:11:55 PM
We are selling our Landcruiser & the guy wants to pick up the vehicle & pay with a Bank cheque. He banks with Nab & we bank Anz. Are bank cheques 100 percent guaranteed?

I thought there were some issues with them being forged?
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: speewa158 on December 21, 2014, 12:22:51 PM
Used Unmarked Non-consecutive Notes are as good as a Bank cheque . Oe pop him down to the bank to cash it there & then  >:D & lm a trusting soul  :cheers:
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: fishfinder on December 21, 2014, 12:27:39 PM
It will be no problems if it is from the Nigerien branch
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: speewa158 on December 21, 2014, 12:31:02 PM
Some Nigerien Banks are on the edge of a river & the Bottom of the Harbor schemes are just that with big Rocks & rope ..  Enjoy  >:D      :cheers:

As the Nigerien Naira is running at1.ooNGN to .00555556USD you should be up to your ears in $$ or Naira as the case may be  :cheers:
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: fishfinder on December 21, 2014, 12:39:17 PM
Some Nigerien Banks are on the edge of a river & the Bottom of the Harbor schemes are just that with big Rocks & rope ..  Enjoy  >:D      :cheers:

As the Nigerien Naira is running at1.ooNGN to .00555556USD you should be up to your ears in $$ or Naira as the case may be  :cheers:
all I could read was blah blah blah blah - seriously what are you on ?  :cheers:
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: achjimmy on December 21, 2014, 12:39:48 PM
Yep bank cheques are vulnerable, besides being the remote possibility of a forgery they are also able to be cancelled by the issuer.  All though you can put special clearance on them that still takes a day and if later they are found to be forged the bank will reverse it!   Best thing I think today is to attend his bank and witness the direct transfer of funds from his account to yours!
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: firefox on December 21, 2014, 12:40:03 PM
umm bank cheque = nearly no security. It's a cheque!

I've had someone leave the premises and then ring the bank and cancel their cheque, and unless you have all their details your stuffed. So either cash, or as someone suggested, a trip down to the nearest bank and a physical deposit (or real-time transfer at their bank) all of which only cost about $20 bucks..
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: britts on December 21, 2014, 01:00:37 PM
Just sold my cruiser, we did an Internet transfer whilst sitting at the table, he then emailed me the receipt which we printed and both signed,


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Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: GeoffA on December 21, 2014, 01:04:48 PM
Just sold my cruiser, we did an Internet transfer whilst sitting at the table, he then emailed me the receipt which we printed and both signed,

Should be OK, especially if he logged on through his own internet account.
I've heard of people using the sellers computer to do the bank transfer, then claiming their account had been hacked.
Third hand info though......
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: D4D on December 21, 2014, 01:06:47 PM
You could always suggest you will send the rego papers when the funds have cleared...
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: callmejoe on December 21, 2014, 01:28:16 PM
What's this world coming to...

I just brought a big brick on wheels.well that's what my fuel gauge is telling me.

After a quick haggle price agreed upon. Off to the bank got myself a bank cheque no problems. I gather I must just have that trust worthy persona. 

Joe
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: jwb on December 21, 2014, 01:42:10 PM
When buying my 150 Prado, what I did was I met the seller at my bank, he came with me to the teller and I sourced 2 cheques
1 x finance amount owing
 1 x balance dollars.
I then went with him to his bank ( next door) & went with him to his teller.
Witnessed him paying the oustanding amount.
Then gave him the "Balance owing" cheque.

I felt very comfortable doing this!

cheers
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: dazzler on December 21, 2014, 01:43:20 PM
Yep. Meet at the bank. Can't go wrong.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Bird on December 21, 2014, 01:44:47 PM
I don't think I wanna sell anything ever again...
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: pinarelloman on December 21, 2014, 01:45:51 PM
It looks like a trip to the nearest nab branch will be required.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: HEM19X on December 21, 2014, 01:57:00 PM
Release the tug when the funds are sitting in your account, especially if you do not know the person or have done some checking into them... Google earth their address etc is a good start to find out if they are Legit! Holding back the rego, taking copies of their Driver's Licence etc can give you some comfort also.

Be especially prudent around holiday times when banks are closed as clearance times on cheques are extended.. By the time a cheque bounces around Xmas, it could be 2 weeks before you find out!!!
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: nab on December 21, 2014, 02:26:52 PM
When I sold my Patrol I told the guy (in a polite way) he can pay however he wants but the Patrol doesn't leave my driveway until the cah is in my hand or money in the bank. He paid cash.

When I bought my last 2 cars they were both by bank cheque, but I am an honest guy... hahaha
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: scarpsD40 on December 21, 2014, 03:06:14 PM

Some Nigerien Banks are on the edge of a river & the Bottom of the Harbor schemes are just that with big Rocks & rope ..  Enjoy  >:D      :cheers:

As the Nigerien Naira is running at1.ooNGN to .00555556USD you should be up to your ears in $$ or Naira as the case may be  :cheers:
if only everyone used green currency like you and I speewa.....
We just lead a simple life!
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Nay-DMAX on December 21, 2014, 04:13:30 PM
As mentioned above bank cheques can be cancelled after being handed over the only thing you know about them opposed to a personal cheque is that they have to be drawn on cleared funds.  Even an internet banking transfer can be cancelled but there is a time limit on that and you can wait 24 to 48 hours for the funds to go from their account to yours.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Bird on December 21, 2014, 04:39:06 PM
the other thing if you expect cash, buyer will need to inform the branch that he wants X thousand cash on X date before turning up...
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Black-Pig on December 21, 2014, 08:42:46 PM
As mentioned above bank cheques can be cancelled after being handed over the only thing you know about them opposed to a personal cheque is that they have to be drawn on cleared funds.  Even an internet banking transfer can be cancelled but there is a time limit on that and you can wait 24 to 48 hours for the funds to go from their account to yours.
I think you got this the wrong way around... Personal cheque can be cancelled by ringing and quoting check number. Bank cheque they take the money out of your account there and then and is like walking around with a wad of cash, and they charge you $10 or $15 dollars to do it... I have used bank cheques and had no problem. I have also wandered into a few bank branches and asked for fair amounts and never been knocked back due to not enough cash in stock.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Bird on December 21, 2014, 08:55:01 PM
Quote from: Black-Pig
I think you got this the wrong way around... Personal cheque can be cancelled by ringing and quoting check number. Bank cheque they take the money out of your account there and then and is like walking around with a wad of cash, and they charge you $10 or $15 dollars to do it...
bank chq's can be cancelled the same as anything.. what happens if you lose it? stiff Shit? your out cash, or you ring bank and cancel it?
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Black-Pig on December 21, 2014, 09:18:36 PM
Really Bird I dont know... Never been in the position of having a lost bank cheque. It was just what I thought I was told once in the dim distant past. I go the cash option most of the time now as too tight to pay the extra. And makes me feel good annoying the car dealer or whom ever it is by making them count it!
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Nay-DMAX on December 22, 2014, 02:44:58 PM
I think you got this the wrong way around... Personal cheque can be cancelled by ringing and quoting check number. Bank cheque they take the money out of your account there and then and is like walking around with a wad of cash, and they charge you $10 or $15 dollars to do it... I have used bank cheques and had no problem. I have also wandered into a few bank branches and asked for fair amounts and never been knocked back due to not enough cash in stock.

They can cancel a bank cheque as well and a lot of branches will have limits on the amount you can take out in cash unless you give them notice and the amount of notice can depend on how often they get money in.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: pinarelloman on December 22, 2014, 03:21:24 PM
OK, I spoke to NAB who he banks with.
He & I go into the bank. The teller confirms to me he has said amount in his account. He withdraws a bank cheque while I watch.
He takes the car, but I keep the rego papers and a copy of his license until the funds clear in my account. About $15.00

You can also have a telegraphic transfer that clears within a couple of hours. This costs $35.00
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: callmejoe on December 22, 2014, 03:31:35 PM
OK, I spoke to NAB who he banks with.
He & I go into the bank. The teller confirms to me he has said amount in his account. He withdraws a bank cheque while I watch.
He takes the car, but I keep the rego papers and a copy of his license until the funds clear in my account. About $15.00

You can also have a telegraphic transfer that clears within a couple of hours. This costs $35.00

Why go to a bank with them get a cheque made.?
If yr there do a tranfere payment straight to your bank account. Done and dusted.  Pointless checking with him to see if he can get the bank check. If he doesnt have it in his account wont get the cheque in the 1st place.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Swannie on December 22, 2014, 03:46:33 PM
Why can't the purchaser just transfer funds into your account? I just sold something and the purchaser put it in my account at 12 today and it was cleared by 4pm different banks to

Swannie
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: pinarelloman on December 22, 2014, 03:58:29 PM
Yes, I think a bank transfer is probably the best.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on December 22, 2014, 04:07:59 PM
In God We Trust.....Everybody Else Pays Cash.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: gronk on December 22, 2014, 04:51:55 PM
I think some people get paranoid about things..



I sold my 4wd to a couple who travelled from Victoria to the central coast of NSW by plane and train.....and they paid with a bank cheque !!

I rang the bank and they said it was as good as cash, but really, if they had cancelled the cheque and done a runner, I'm sure the police wouldn't take long to track them down ??

BUT, if they had brought cash, and it was counterfeit ...where would I stand then ??

OR, if I insisted on a bank transfer, how do they travel all the way from Vic, inspect the 4wd, transfer money then wait until it clears, then get back to Vic before work on Mon morning ??

Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Nay-DMAX on December 22, 2014, 05:43:24 PM
I think some people get paranoid about things..



I sold my 4wd to a couple who travelled from Victoria to the central coast of NSW by plane and train.....and they paid with a bank cheque !!

I rang the bank and they said it was as good as cash, but really, if they had cancelled the cheque and done a runner, I'm sure the police wouldn't take long to track them down ??

BUT, if they had brought cash, and it was counterfeit ...where would I stand then ??

OR, if I insisted on a bank transfer, how do they travel all the way from Vic, inspect the 4wd, transfer money then wait until it clears, then get back to Vic before work on Mon morning ??

I agree but I think a lot of untrustworthy people and so many thefts of people's things makes us paranoid.  It is a hard situation
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: achjimmy on December 22, 2014, 05:57:35 PM
I think some people get paranoid about things..



I sold my 4wd to a couple who travelled from Victoria to the central coast of NSW by plane and train.....and they paid with a bank cheque !!

I rang the bank and they said it was as good as cash, but really, if they had cancelled the cheque and done a runner, I'm sure the police wouldn't take long to track them down ??

BUT, if they had brought cash, and it was counterfeit ...where would I stand then ??

OR, if I insisted on a bank transfer, how do they travel all the way from Vic, inspect the 4wd, transfer money then wait until it clears, then get back to Vic before work on Mon morning ??

Counterfeit cash would get the most action, involves the Feds as well. They go bananas over counterfiet.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: gronk on December 22, 2014, 07:02:48 PM
Counterfeit cash would get the most action, involves the Feds as well. They go bananas over counterfiet.

Going by their normal reaction to petty crime, I'd say you'd be better off saying you were held at gun point and forced to hand over your 4wd !!
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Mongoose on December 22, 2014, 07:51:44 PM
At last, a thread where I'm qualified to speak (unlike diff oil, the Lecky Section and Cape York - all of which I find much more interesting).

Bank cheques are NOT guaranteed clear funds. They can be stopped, for example when they are lost. The purchaser would be required to sign a Stat Dec to that effect. A "responsible" Bank would not allow a Bank Cheque to be stopped on the grounds of faulty goods...it is not the Bank's place to get involved in such a dispute.

Bank Cheques can also be stolen. I recall a case ~20 years ago where a disgruntled ANZ employee lifted a book of 200 from a soon-to-be closed Branch. The whole book ended up in the hands of an organised crime gang who had a passion for motorbikes. There were many unhappy vendors of Harleys and Ducatis on the East Coast of the Country over the next few years. One guy in Devonport advertised his 916 in The Age on a Friday, took a call from an interested buyer that day. Buyer flew from Melbourne on the Saturday, handed over a Bank cheque for ~$25K and took possession of the Duke. He was on the Spirit back to Melbourne That night, and the Bank cheque didn't get presented until the Monday. Red faces all around on Tuesday when the local Detectives came calling...

Putting yourself in the branch of the Bank that issues the cheque with the purchaser should eliminate the chance of fraud.

It won't be long before the general population have access to RTGS (Real Time Gross Settlements) which enable instant transfer of clear funds between Banks. For a fee, of course...after all, we Bankers need to eat ;D

Cheers,

Rohan.

Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: macca on December 22, 2014, 08:06:57 PM
Yeah but it doesn't have to be lobster every nite.

How are you Rohan?
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Nay-DMAX on December 22, 2014, 08:48:17 PM
Yeah but it doesn't have to be lobster every nite.

How are you Rohan?

Haha those on the counter aren't eating lobster every night. I cannot speak for Rohan I don't know what he does.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: macca on December 22, 2014, 10:17:07 PM
He doesn't work on the counter that's for sure
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: pinarelloman on December 23, 2014, 12:05:24 AM
All good info here. Thanks for all the replies.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: theins on December 23, 2014, 06:32:07 AM
Cash is King .... for a reason.

Bank cheques can be cancelled.

Another alternative is to meet at his bank branch and ask him to make a cash deposit into your account. Avoids the actual counting of cash and can be done in real time. Once the money has been paid into your account you can get a copy of the receipt which will have the stamp from the bank on it. At that point the money can't be called back.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: UIZ733 on December 23, 2014, 07:49:40 AM
Some information here:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1957666 (http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1957666)
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Mongoose on December 23, 2014, 05:40:21 PM
Yeah but it doesn't have to be lobster every nite.

How are you Rohan?

Good thanks Mate. Thriving on tinned dog food. :cheers:
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: pinarelloman on December 24, 2014, 01:39:54 PM
Here is what we worked out.
We both went into his bank NAB.
Told them the amount to be transferred, paid $35 & they did an electronic transfer from his bank to my ANZ account. The bank took a copy of his drivers license & he completed a form.
All done, money will be in my account today sometime.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: pinarelloman on December 24, 2014, 01:42:48 PM
The money is in our account now. The deal was done at about 1pm, it is now 245pm.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: D4D on December 24, 2014, 02:27:37 PM
Excellent, glad it worked out. Now what did you sell?
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Mongoose on December 24, 2014, 04:41:22 PM
Excellent, glad it worked out. Now what did you sell?

A stolen WRX! ;D
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Snapman007 on December 24, 2014, 08:47:51 PM
it is now 245pm.

Bloody hell that's late, I'm usually in bed by 10! ;D
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: pinarelloman on December 25, 2014, 01:08:18 AM
Sold my 2003 HDJ100 Landcruiser $35000.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: Jasman on December 25, 2014, 08:15:51 AM
Cash is king but if you choose any other option then your smart phone is your friend, take a nice clear mug shot of the buyer and take a photo of their car that includes the number plate. Make it nice and clear upfront that it's a condition of sale and if they screw you then the photo will be delivered direct to police, media etc. It's no guarantee of not getting ripped off but I reckon it's a good way scare off the bulk of fraudsters and at least give some piece of mind that the scumbag will be caught if they fleece you.
Title: Re: Bank cheque security?
Post by: GeoffA on December 25, 2014, 11:00:48 AM
Cash is king but if you choose any other option then your smart phone is your friend, take a nice clear mug shot of the buyer and take a photo of their car that includes the number plate.....

....and get a pic of their license too....