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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: ozbogwam on October 17, 2014, 08:46:15 PM
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I'm currently tossing up whether to get rid of my 98 DX Patrol and get a Pajero.
The Patrol is reliable, capable etc but it's is also a very basic car and to be honest I don't need the offroad benefits of a solid axle while not having a nice quiet comfortable tourer.
So the Pajero has piqued my interest seems like a lot of bang for your buck. I'd be looking at probably at least a 2012 or newer and am thinking the glx-r with diff lock sounds good. Would put a lift, AT/MTs, bullbar, dual battery and lights and call it done.
So any experience, opinions etc
Cheers
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Good jigger but plan to keep it a long time as resale sucks, oh and be prepared for 'pajero' in Spanish jokes :)
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Yeah know about the jokes, parents had an early Pajero which was a great 4wf
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I missed you were buying 2nd hand, best way to go, let some other schmuk pay for the depreciation :)
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Have had 2 and I like them!
Cheers
S.O.
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Had one 4 years, very good tourer, remarkably capable as a 4wd.
If you get one with more than 50k on it get it lifted as the rear springs sag.
Good AT rubber and a lift will see you most places.
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We've had our 2010 NT for 2 years now and love it. Easy to drive around town (it's SWMBO's daily driver) and capably holds it's own on the rough stuff. We just did 8000km to the red centre and it performed faultlessly. The diesel has enough power and is torquey, some reckon it's a bit loud but I personally like the sound of a diesel.
Monocoque construction is strong, lack of live axles only an issue if you're after big articulation. The traction control is fantastic and works exceptionally well, I just wish I had have found a car with the factory diff lock :'( Great car for towing and really comfy for touring.
All the usual aftermarket bits and pieces are easily available, the thread for ours is here: http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=28338.0 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=28338.0)
The rear door is a PITA, we can't open it fully when the camper is hooked up, and we needed to lift the spare tyre by 50mm to clear the hitch. But that is really our only gripe about the car. And as D4D said, resale is bad, which means if you buy second hand you're getting a lot of car for the money. Mitsubishi have just released the NX (2015), which means you should be able to get some great prices on older models at the moment.
So, very happy with ours. IMO quite an underrated 4WD. Heaps of good info on here: http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/ (http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/)
:cheers:
......... oh and be prepared for 'pajero' in Spanish jokes :)
That didn't take long!!!! At the risk of sounding like a, erm....., pajero, its actually named after a South American wild cat :Leopardus Pajeros, hence the cat symbol on the pajero club's insignia. :-*
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That didn't take long!!!! At the risk of sounding like a, erm....., pajero, its actually named after a South American wild cat :Leopardus Pajeros, hence the cat symbol on the pajero club's insignia. :-*
So your saying it is named after a Spanish pussy w@nker?
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So your saying it is named after a Spanish pussy w@nker?
LOL ;D
My BIL is from Uruguay and he's always giving me sh!t about the name of my car, reckons it's even funnier that there's a club for them ;D ;D
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Firstly, the word pajero in Spanish being w@nker is absolute crapola ! I have a Spanish friend and she said pajero doesn't mean that at all. Myth broken !
I've had pajero's for 25 years and currently have a NT diesel. Economy wise they are much better than the bigger cruisers and patrols. When towing I get an average 13 litres per 100kms and I'm towing approx. 1.5t.
There is a drawback if you want to tow something up around the 3t with a ball weight less than 180kg. Something to do with the weight in the rear of the pajero which isn't evident in the larger patrols or cruisers.
They are a good 4wd and very comfortable to drive.
Cheers
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Firstly, the word pajero in Spanish being w@nker is absolute crapola ! I have a Spanish friend and she said pajero doesn't mean that at all. Myth broken !
I've had pajero's for 25 years and currently have a NT diesel. Economy wise they are much better than the bigger cruisers and patrols. When towing I get an average 13 litres per 100kms and I'm towing approx. 1.5t.
There is a drawback if you want to tow something up around the 3t with a ball weight less than 180kg. Something to do with the weight in the rear of the pajero which isn't evident in the larger patrols or cruisers.
They are a good 4wd and very comfortable to drive.
Cheers
and how much were those 18in AT tyres again?? 600ea weren't they
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Firstly, the word pajero in Spanish being w@nker is absolute crapola ! I have a Spanish friend and she said pajero doesn't mean that at all. Myth broken !.......
My Chilean friends would disagree with that, Paul......
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From my understanding it is a slang word used in some parts of the world but not particularly common in the Spanish language worldwide.
Anyway, are there any common issues? Can I run up to 32" tyre? They appear to come with either 17 or 18" rims can you run a 16" rim?
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Brickiematt just read your thread, pretty much sums up what I'm hoping to do
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Alot of bang for buck especially if you buy second hand. Mine has been very reliable, bought it new in July 09 and currently has 190,000km on it. Still performs as good as it did back when I bought it.
Very capable with a few mods, I don't have diff locks but the traction control works incredibly well.
Can only fit 16" on the SWB, they wont fit over the brakes on the LWB. I run two sets of wheels, factory alloys with the A/T's and factory steel wheels with BFG KM2's
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My Chilean friends would disagree with that, Paul......
x2 (but they're Mexican friends)
Just checked carsales, you can get a lot of car for $35-40K...
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Yeah, OK Bruce, I forgot about the tyres.....lol but I bought a new paj since then. I'd hate to be buying 20" A/T's they are now putting on some 4wd's.
The last lot of tyres I bought set me back $400 each Yokohama Geo 12's I think from memory.
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x2 (but they're Mexican friends)
I reckon they might call them fightin' words..... ;D
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We seriously looked at a Pajero in our search for a new 4by. Everything I researched and read told me these are a seriously tough and reliable unit. Swmbo's uncle has had the last 4 models and as a registered 4wd trainer and regular tourer has driven them all around Oz. The only thing that swayed me away was the 4cyl pot and the previous rounded shape. Really like the new shape and if anything happened to my current 4by, I'd revisit one of these in a heartbeat.
Sub post - all good things come to those who wait, or so I'm told.
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I'm on number two now, like all vehicles they are not perfect, but their vices are generally minor and don't involve tray trucks. Have a look here http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/index.php (http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/index.php) for all the good and bad. I'd be looking for a late NT or ideally an NW.
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the only downer I've heard of with them is 180B syndrome on the rear tyres when towing.
Drive one they are really nice even with the tiny motor.
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Keep researching, the common rail motor has a nasty habit of blocking off number 4 cylinder with EGR soot and oil mist from crankcase.
A mate has a NT model, we have had the intake manifold off to be cleaned, EGR blank fitted, Catch can fitted and vacuum control valve replaced.
BUT, as I say this, this sort of issue is happening to all common rail diesel motors including me.
Regards
Angus.
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Keep researching, the common rail motor has a nasty habit of blocking off number 4 cylinder with EGR soot and oil mist from crankcase.
A mate has a NT model, we have had the intake manifold off to be cleaned, EGR blank fitted, Catch can fitted and vacuum control valve replaced.
BUT, as I say this, this sort of issue is happening to all common rail diesel motors including me.
Regards
Angus.
There are a few ways to manage this for the paj anyway, the key seems to be eliminating either the soot (egr blank or use a resistor to fool the ecu and stop it opening) or the oil (use a catch can).
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I sold my 03 Patrol to buy a Pajero last year. The 2nd hand ones with 30000kms on the clock were not much cheaper than buying new. Is a brilliant car as a tourer, uses heaps less fuel and is way more comfortable. Is a strange feeling the first time it lifts a wheel in the air.
Would I do it again? I miss the Patrol, but yes I would 8).
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lm in my 4th Pajero , NB , NH, NL,petrols & NS oiler . They just get better & better. The new rigs are all Oilers so get a snorkel , then a beaudesert bigger exhaust system . When it can breath better it goes better .
l have run pajero since 84 & all over Aus , as has been said buy 2nd hand then hold it . My NS is ex Cop car from Tassie got it as 2year old with 60K on the clock .now has 184K Goes like it should where ever l point it in comfort .usually runs at about 11L/100KM bit more towing at or about 100KPH l like it & so will you as it6 a very able quadruped :cheers:
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Upgrade the rear coil pack, every single one that comes through my business, has witness marks on the bump stops from contact before a tow bar has even been installed!
Cheers Mike :cheers:
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I wanted a prado when we were looking for our latest 4wd.
Anyway after looking a few we just couldn't go past the pajero for value. It does everything we want it to do and more. The best thing is they drive more like a car the the others so the wife is more than happy to get behind the wheel.
Next 4wd I get will be a pajero too.
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Had a Pajero great fourbie. Most of the advise here has covered it. Protect the intercooler with a good bash plate. Watch the top chain tensioner on the oilers if buying an older model.
The only thing I would struggle to go back to with the Pajero is the ride on corrugations compared to the cruiser.
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New Triton is about to be released so after 12yrs you would expect the Paj to be just around the corner. (though I have said the same thing for the past 2yrs LOL)
Don't get caught with the an old shape Pajero as they are worth nothing as Mitsi wholesale the hell out of them.
But, they are a good truck and there are very few unhappy owners. Don't test drive a Prado of the same age. The difference in NVH between the two is amazing.
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Just took a 2012 GLX-R for a drive. Must admit its a nice vehicle. Just crunching some numbers now
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Have had my Dec 2005 Paj (diesel) since Jan 2006 and have clocked up 210,000km. Hasn't missed a beat. Replaced some tyres, batteries, starters motors and clutches, but you expect that. Off road it has put bigger fourbys to shame. Low down torque is unreal. Love my Paj!!
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Some say that a Paj louses $$ as it get older . Don't tradeem drivem . Think about it your worth less as you get older , but its really hard to get spare parts for you . Everything wares out . Get over it 8) :-* :cheers:
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Our old 100 series LC was dying so we looked at a replacement. For the cost of replacing the LC with a new 200 series I could nearly buy 2 Pajeros! We looked at Prados but they have a reduced towing capacity.
We settled on a 2014 Exceed with all the bells and whistles, steel bull bar and tow kit. It is a great vehicle so far(only 5000km) as my wife won't have a dual cab ute. It uses half the fuel of the 4500 petrol LC so that in itself makes me smile.
Regards
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I bought my 2003 NP DiD with 118k on the clock 4 years ago and it's now up to 227k. It's not the quietest truck around but performance and economy (especially when towing) is unbeatable. A 2inch suspension lift with air bags on the rear followed by a 4 wheel alignment has ensured even wear on the rear tyres over the past 2 years (Bridgestone 697's have now done 55k). I normally update when my cars get to this age/mileage but I may keep it and see how long it lasts. Love that car.
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Our old 100 series LC was dying so we looked at a replacement. For the cost of replacing the LC with a new 200 series I could nearly buy 2 Pajeros! We looked at Prados but they have a reduced towing capacity.
We settled on a 2014 Exceed with all the bells and whistles, steel bull bar and tow kit. It is a great vehicle so far(only 5000km) as my wife won't have a dual cab ute. It uses half the fuel of the 4500 petrol LC so that in itself makes me smile.
Regards
Hi Cammo,
How's the storage room in the back of the Paj, compared to the 100 series?????
Dave
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Hi Cammo,
How's the storage room in the back of the Paj, compared to the 100 series?????
Dave
Paj has remarkable storage room for its size. Because the third row seats come from underneath there's a secret 90 litres you gain. You just have to come up with a practicable way of accessing it. I don't seem to have much more useable space in the 200 and that's longer than the 100 again. Don't miss the door though.
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Brochos11
It's not bad but the sub woofer takes up space. (I don't know why they put one in them?)
I had a 2 draw system from ORS in the LC and have spoken to ORS about their Storage Platform with a draw on top with fridge space next to it. I can store folding chairs underneath the platform and as I have removed the 3rd row of seats, I have easy access storage below the floor and access to the jack etc..
Regards
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Its the depth of the storage that seems *short* to me, from the middle seats to the back door... maybe its just my eyes, but it doesn't appear very big.
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Black Widow drawers for the Toyota are 940mm long. The Paj is 740mm long. Same width. Therefore the Paj is ~200mm shorter.
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When you buy a Paj & kit it , then use it & after some time the resale is bugger all . Who Cares :cup:.
Think of the adventures , trips , Swagger Catch Ups , things off the Bucket List , friends & Laughternoontea that you have had . Put a $ on that , if you dare . ;D So your rig is not new , Your there , to enjoy the next day of your adventure of Life . Do you really need a new 1 every few years ???
:cheers:
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lm in my 4th Pajero , NB , NH, NL,petrols & NS oiler . They just get better & better. The new rigs are all Oilers so get a snorkel , then a beaudesert bigger exhaust system . When it can breath better it goes better .
l have run pajero since 84 & all over Aus , as has been said buy 2nd hand then hold it . My NS is ex Cop car from Tassie got it as 2year old with 60K on the clock .now has 184K Goes like it should where ever l point it in comfort .usually runs at about 11L/100KM bit more towing at or about 100KPH l like it & so will you as it6 a very able quadruped :cheers:
x2, they perform well with a Beaudesert exhaust system
cheers
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I'll ad my bit. I've had an 04 diesel GLX for a couple of years now. The missus loves it compared to the patrol. Kills it everywhere except heavy duty off roading but as we don't do that anymore it suits us perfectly. Fits the 3 child seats and all their gear comfortably.
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Hi Cammo,
How's the storage room in the back of the Paj, compared to the 100 series?????
Dave
As a bit of a yard stick (since no one has slipped out and thrown a tape measure over one yet) I parked our NJ ('94, previous, narrower body) beside the SIL's GU once whilst I had a tape measure handy.
Measured up the boots on both. Can't remember the actual details but - GU deeper, both roughly the same width, Paj taller. Overall the Paj numbers calculated as being a bit greater volume. (GU external width was all just fenders and flares)
I think the current shape Paj is maybe 50 to 100mm wider than my shape and I would expect the internal dimensions to be similarly increased. Plus the extra 90L compartment below floor level where the removeable 3rd row seats fit.
No idea how that compares to a 100 series though.
Peter