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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: achjimmy on October 13, 2014, 08:59:58 PM
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http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/woolworths-pulls-offensive-singlets-20141013-115dlp.html (http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/woolworths-pulls-offensive-singlets-20141013-115dlp.html)
I can understand how it could be considered "offensive" although not to me but I don't see it as being racist. Seems straight forward to me, a blunt way of saying you don't like our way of life go elsewhere? Am I missing something?
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power of stupid media... I mean social media.
and they say we are moving forward.... :(
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Do they have any left, I'll buy a dozen :cup: :cup: :cup:
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http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/woolworths-pulls-offensive-singlets-20141013-115dlp.html (http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/woolworths-pulls-offensive-singlets-20141013-115dlp.html)
I can understand how it could be considered "offensive" although not to me but I don't see it as being racist. Seems straight forward to me, a blunt way of saying you don't like our way of life go elsewhere? Am I missing something?
No, you are not. And it is not a racist statement.
When should we start searching for a country that still has a strong sense of its own identity, one of which does not give it up every time it is challenged.
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Patriotism is often described as racism by the print media because it helps them sells subscriptions.
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I thought the same thing when I saw it. Definitely not racist, just being a proud Australian. I'd wear one, with pride.
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I share the irritation expressed here, especially as I have that exact slogan on a bumper sticker on the back of my 4WD and I'm keeeping it there.
Racist used to be a word used to describe those who had prejudices against others because of the colour of their skin or ethnic backgound.
Now, it is used to describe anything that I say that the politically correct, tree-hugging, sad little lefties disagree with.
It's very common in any references to Muslims. Islam is a religion, not a race. Comments about Islam are not racist. Dunno what they are. Religionist?
Cheers, Tony
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What the hell is wrong with being proud of our country. The PC brigade are now completely over the top in trying to control our lives. It's time we told them to "Get Stuffed" and to mind their own business. I totally agree with the statement on that shirt as I'm sure many on here will too. If that statement fits your profile than do as it says. >:(
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What a joke.... How could it possibly be offensive to have pride in out country?
Adam Bandt involved, say no more. He is a weasel!
Woolworths.... 'It wasn't the ones we ordered' ?...BS it WAS the ones you ordered because, like us, you seen nothing wrong with it. Then Bandt and his crew stired up a minority group so you had to 'do the right thing'.
Sad.
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What a joke.... How could it possibly be offensive to have pride in our country?
Sad.
Apparently it is fine for others to be proud and have pride in their countries, but unfortunately it's racist to be an Australian.
Political correctness gone mad.
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I share the irritation expressed here, especially as I have that exact slogan on a bumper sticker on the back of my 4WD and I'm keeeping it there.
Racist used to be a word used to describe those who had prejudices against others because of the colour of their skin or ethnic backgound.
Now, it is used to describe anything that I say that the politically correct, tree-hugging, sad little lefties disagree with.
It's very common in any references to Muslims. Islam is a religion, not a race. Comments about Islam are not racist. Dunno what they are. Religionist?
Cheers, Tony
Agreed tony.
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hi all..its definitely not racist, just being a proud to be Australian.
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I mean, what next, we can't fly the Aussie flag?
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I mean, what next, we can't fly the Aussie flag?
that works for me, the boss keeps telling us theres no money, but has orderd 3x flagpoles @ $3500 + $900 for 3 x flags.. we are all pissin ourselves that he will expect full military salute and marching daily at the raising of the Company, Australian and FRENCH flags..
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If I had the money I would get a million of them made and give them away for free.
This is Australia and it needs to remain Australia. Integration works, multiculturalism doesn't. Anyone that thinks otherwise needs to spend a day at Lakemba, Bankstown or Cabramatta where as an Australian you will be treated like an alien in your own country.
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... spend a day at Lakemba, Bankstown or Cabramatta where as an Australian you will be treated like an alien in your own country.
... wait till you have to do deliveries inside Roselands...
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I mean, what next, we can't fly the Aussie flag?
Already happening in the uk. Fines and council orders to remove offending English and British flags.
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Just go to Dirty Pierre at Bevan Land, some beauties available and yes, I have one.
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Just go to Dirty Pierre, some beauties available and yes, I have one.
http://bevanland.com.au/feature/t-shirts/ (http://bevanland.com.au/feature/t-shirts/)
Hes a great bloke, stayed at my joint in Sydney for the GP a few years when he had the old Fast back VW...
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Just go to Dirty Pierre at Bevan Land, some beauties available and yes, I have one.
Ah th ole Dirty Pierre Bathurst shirts :cup: used to grab one every year. Haven't been up there for a few years anyone know if he still does them?
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The link seems to give you T-Shirt hell, which is a Yankee site. ???
I've got the "Terrorist F*ck 'em" shirt.
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gday all
heres a good one
my sis works at a coles bakery the other day there was a big footy match on and they sold out of bread being that it super cheap atm
a lady come in and asked if their was any bread still available to which she said no you guys had bought them all (meaning all the people coming back from the footy had bought them all ) this woman took offence to that and put in a racist claim to the manager
sis got called in to managers office and was reprimanded and told to apologize to customer (woman was obviously not aussie)
sis was distraught over this and has also set her back in her career at coles
me i would have in apology said i'm so sorry go f yourself. but i dont normally go around trying to offend people and get over it
woman is still looking for compensation over this matter
all this over bread, wonder what would happen if it was some spilt milk?
the word is ending as we know it and is moving in a direction not suitable or fair for the common guy or girl to live life and speak free
the english language can be misconstrued by anyone to suit themselves and they get away with it
maybe this should be in the rant page but suits this topic as well
thats my 2 cents and rounded down its free
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, wonder what would happen if it was some spilt milk?
she would have spotted it in a flash and took a fake dive and had a lifetime of pain and sued.
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Yeah I didn't see anything in it but you need a reality check nowadays there is so many differing opinions.
I can understand some shirts are offensive and I don't agree with them but it doesn't have to be racist either. When your 5yr is just starting to read and some guy rocks up in a **** OFF tee shirt I can understand how people find that offensive. So I guess it's a fine line.
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Guys I think the consensus on the shirt is it's okay. And woolies need to harden up and not pander to a few over sensitive types. Let's leave the discussion there.
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People are far too sensitive. I think this applies to every country; if you don't like it, why stay there?
Aaron
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The shirt is not aimed at race this could apply to people who were born in Aus but dont like it for whatever reason they can go elsewhere too if they want to. Its a shame that we cant always show pride in our country for risk of what might happen
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Robust discussion, and being robust in our dealings with each other, are far better than robust warfare ...
Far too much political correctness goes on IMO. This stifles robust discussion about things that should be discussed. If they aren't discussed, it usually leads to robust warfare. As von Clausewitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz) said in the late 1800s in "On War": "War is the continuation of politics by other means" ...
I would rather have the robust discussion/s, thanks ;).
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Sadly gone are the days when we use to take the mickey out of each other in jest. Remember all those jokes we used to throw at the Pommes, the Irish, the Kiwis and the Blondes etc. None of them used to take offence they would just laugh and give it back to us. Humour was the best form of medicine and broke down many barriers.
PC didn't exist in those days and everyone got on together. Why have we now got all precious about humorous sayings and slogans. To me, this has now brought the old Race Card into many things in our everyday life which is just BS. >:(
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Patriotism is loving one's own country, racism is disliking those from other ethnic backgrounds.
Whilst the statement on those shirts might not be racist, it is ignorant. It suggests that if you criticise Australia then you're not a patriot. Blind acceptance of social positions is a sure way to ruin, it is important that we are all critical of what happens around us, by which I mean we should question what we do, what others do, and consider whether it is reasonable or acceptable.
I believe that Australians are on the whole, greatly accepting and tolerant of other cultures and practices, which is a good thing and has enriched our country. Of course this does not mean we should accept everything and anything, and we should not simply allow our own national culture to be devoured by some external influences. But what is our current national identity? The one I grew up with; the stockman, the bronzed Aussie lifesaver, the digger in the trenches really doesn't seem to reflect where we are as a nation anymore.
Do we want to become a country of gutter mouth slobs? Ignorant, isolationist and xenophobic? Then we'd be the USA, or possibly Britain, or any of the despotic third world countries in which we see so much suffering.
Let us be a proud nation; one of equals, where we do accept those from elsewhere but expect that they show their gratitude for being here, as we acknowledge our good fortune for the same thing.
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Very well said, Julian.
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Let us be a proud nation; one of equals, where we do accept those from elsewhere but expect that they show their gratitude for being here, as we acknowledge our good fortune for the same thing.
Funny, that's what I thought the shirt was saying
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Whilst the statement on those shirts might not be racist, it is ignorant. It suggests that if you criticise Australia then you're not a patriot.
respectfully disagree mate. the shirt simply says - 'we have a way of living here (positively), and if you don't fit that lifestyle or our way of life doesn't suit you so much that you wish to change it to suit yourself, then there's the door'
no different to the rules on this forum, any club or pub in any place, or my house rules.
every place has rules in which to live in the society, peacefully and in harmony with others - are they all ignorant?
if I went to the footy and they said I cant bring my own grog and swear and carry on, but I become indignant and insist I should be allowed to - just because I want to - and i'm the minority - are they ignorant to my feelings and beliefs? no - they are the rules by which you are allowed entry, and if I don't like it, then I am free to leave and not return.
some people want to introduce their own foreign laws into this country, and change many fundamentals that make us who we are - just because. and when the hand wringers and PC brigade wont let us enforce the rules without shrill cries of intolerance, then that weakens our right to maintain the lifestyle we currently enjoy.
I think the real issue is that the shirt statement means different things to different people - but what single statement ever said did? as I have read here - many don't see this as ignorant or derogatory. does the fact that a (possible) small minority find it an issue mean that it should be shouted down and eradicated? isn't that the real problematic situation? should we burn books again?
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I don't think that's what it says. Leave to where? Isn't that what ISIL are saying in Iraq and Syria?
Who is really trying to introduce foreign laws into country and do you really think there is any realistic chance of that happening? People say ridiculous things all the time, doesn't mean they're true or even remotely plausible.
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Do we want to become a country of gutter mouth slobs? Ignorant, isolationist and xenophobic? Then we'd be the USA, or possibly Britain.
I think that statements a little racist.. lol
Maybe those running the country should stop steering us the way of the US or UK then, seems there hell bent on following there justice and legal systems.
First they cause the problems then police it and regulate it, way to go Oz now a nation of sheep.
Could the OP make this a poll, just a simple do you find it offensive yes or no ?
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Who is really trying to introduce foreign laws into country and do you really think there is any realistic chance of that happening?
I think it is possible simply by weight in numbers
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4112/islamization-britain (http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4112/islamization-britain)
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Good points Mrs Smith.
RobM, I don't believe there is any critical mass for change in Australia.
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I think the slogan on that shirt became offensive when people started using it in to cause offence.
Its one thing to say 'This is my country, it is a great place and I love it. I feel lucky to be here and I think you should too' and quite another to say to someone 'This is Straya mate, love it or F***** leave.'
I know I have heard sentiments of the above sentence too many times, so many times in fact that when I see a shirt like the one being discussed I cant help but think of those people. It doesnt make me proud, it makes me cringe and not because I am not proud of my country but because too many times I have seen someone take the symbol of our national pride and twist it to fit their own agenda.
I dont blame people for being to sensitive, I place the blame squarely at the feet of those who took our flag and used it to belittle, harass and attempt to intimidate others deemed not Australian enough. It is not a coincidence that these slogans started showing up right around the time of the Cronulla riots.
Are the shirts themselves racist? No. The actions of others in relation to such shirts has made them offensive.
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If I had the money I would get a million of them made and give them away for free.
This is Australia and it needs to remain Australia. Integration works, multiculturalism doesn't. Anyone that thinks otherwise needs to spend a day at Lakemba, Bankstown or Cabramatta where as an Australian you will be treated like an alien in your own country.
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
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Its a bogan shirt, and bogans have rights too.
Removing it from sale discriminates directly against against said bogans.
Class action anyone ?
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Class action anyone ?
hang on while I put the wife beater on, and go get a pack of winny blues, now wheres the keys to the taxidore.. - then count me in
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Its a bogan shirt, and bogans have rights too.
Removing it from sale discriminates directly against against said bogans.
Class action anyone ?
I'll have you know I do not wear moccasins ;D
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I think the slogan on that shirt became offensive when people started using it in to cause offence.
Its one thing to say 'This is my country, it is a great place and I love it. I feel lucky to be here and I think you should too' and quite another to say to someone 'This is Straya mate, love it or F***** leave.'
I know I have heard sentiments of the above sentence too many times, so many times in fact that when I see a shirt like the one being discussed I cant help but think of those people. It doesnt make me proud, it makes me cringe and not because I am not proud of my country but because too many times I have seen someone take the symbol of our national pride and twist it to fit their own agenda.
I dont blame people for being to sensitive, I place the blame squarely at the feet of those who took our flag and used it to belittle, harass and attempt to intimidate others deemed not Australian enough. It is not a coincidence that these slogans started showing up right around the time of the Cronulla riots.
Are the shirts themselves racist? No. The actions of others in relation to such shirts has made them offensive.
totally agree with this sentiment.
a w**ker is a w**ker, regardless of the shirt he wears.
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RobM, I don't believe there is any critical mass for change in Australia.
yet.
and that's what we are arguing and fighting to protect.
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Maybe it's as easy as giving every new migrant one of these shirts for free when they arrive here.
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Its a bogan shirt, and bogans have rights too.
Removing it from sale discriminates directly against against said bogans.
Class action anyone ?
Might be a joke about Bogans & Class in there somewhere, but I'm not going there!
My only answer to the who storm in a 2XL blue singlet is a slighly different form of political incorrectness:-
Australia Day - Lamb Advertisments (https://www.youtube.com/user/LambAustraliaDay)
When we used to get new team members come to work in Australia watching the Meat & Livestock Corporation Lamb Ad's from Australia Day was part of the informal induction.
It helped get them atuned to our sense of humor and general irreverance to anything serious / official.
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How about a new T- shirt with our flag and the slogan " Dont Destroy what you Came to ENJOY " ..
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I find it offensive that the colours of the shirt are not brown and yellow so i totally agree that they have been removed off the shelves
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I think the slogan on that shirt became offensive when people started using it in to cause offence.
Its one thing to say 'This is my country, it is a great place and I love it. I feel lucky to be here and I think you should too' and quite another to say to someone 'This is Straya mate, love it or F***** leave.'
I know I have heard sentiments of the above sentence too many times, so many times in fact that when I see a shirt like the one being discussed I cant help but think of those people. It doesnt make me proud, it makes me cringe and not because I am not proud of my country but because too many times I have seen someone take the symbol of our national pride and twist it to fit their own agenda.
I dont blame people for being to sensitive, I place the blame squarely at the feet of those who took our flag and used it to belittle, harass and attempt to intimidate others deemed not Australian enough. It is not a coincidence that these slogans started showing up right around the time of the Cronulla riots.
Are the shirts themselves racist? No. The actions of others in relation to such shirts has made them offensive.
Thanks Lori, a thoughtful and nuanced response to an emotive issue.
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How about a new T- shirt with our flag and the slogan " Dont Destroy what you Came to ENJOY " ..
:cup: Brilliant :cup:
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http://teespring.com/if-you-dont-love-it-leave#pid=162&cid=6038&sid=front (http://teespring.com/if-you-dont-love-it-leave#pid=162&cid=6038&sid=front)
get one if you like
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And yet you can go into most novelty stores and buy a bumper sticker that says 'F&*k off we're full' and I don't see any Greens senator making an issue about that.
Seriously....if we are going to get offended by what's on that t-shirt, we all need to stop and take a happy pill. I think its a fair statement and it could equally apply to any Australian resident regardless of their background.
I know a few white Anglo Saxon aussies who could take this advice...!
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We need to send this minister bloke to these guys Argument Clinic - Monty Python's The Flying Circus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y#)
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Apparently it is fine for others to be proud and have pride in their countries, but unfortunately it's racist to be an Australian.
Political correctness gone mad.
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Most likely while they are enjoying living here too Hairs....
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Wogs visit Aussies on Australia Day (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg1yAW7GPvI#ws)
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How about adding a political angle (as if we needed another one!).
This just says to me 'Team Australia'.
If you're not on our team then go away somewhere and join a different team of your choosing. Just don't undermine ours!
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Saw this the other day, nothing to do with the shirt but thought it may add to the discussion.;D ;D
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/Whitty44/imagejpg1_zps862a2674.jpg) (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/Whitty44/media/imagejpg1_zps862a2674.jpg.html)
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Dunno about all these pure blue bloods. Me? I'm just a mongrel Heinz 57 varieties kinda bloke. You know how it is... Angle, Jute, Pict, Scot, Viking, Roman, Norman and God only knows what else along the way and all out of Africa I believe...?
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Wonder how people would react if the tshirt was derogatory towards australia
/ australians
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The whole schnozzle has racist undertones. Lets be realistic, this slogan has been the racist bogans chant for over a decade. The real crime here, and what main stream media has failed to portray is that the Australian flag has been hijacked and disrespected with this graffiti. Thats unAustralian. As is passive and inferred racism.
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Wonder how people would react if the tshirt was derogatory towards australia
/ australians
What a stupid question. !!
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Wonder how you would go in the USA if you tried banning t-shirts with USA -Greatest country on earth' on em...
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Wonder how people would react if the tshirt was derogatory towards australia
/ australians
i think you mean:
how would australians react if they were in another country and saw a similarly patriotic shirt on a 'native/citizen' of that country?
i think, based on the reaction in this thread, there would be an appreciation of that person's love of their country and their agreed dislike of anyone who chooses to try and de-stabilise that country.
the shirt in question is not derogatory in any way. it merely professes a love of our country and a dislike to anyone who tries to mess it up.
big difference.
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Black white blue or brindle doesnt matter if you dont like the place even if you were born here take a hike.
Seems to me those that are most offended by the shirt, are the ones who want to force their own belittling feable fears or ideals and preduced veiws onto people, and get their noses out of joint when people want to wear it and show a pride and believe in their country of birth or CHOICE and all it stands for, being a patriot is not about being a racist ..
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It's a bloody world wide problem.........
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It's a bloody world wide problem.........
they're all racist! racist, I tells ya!
quick, ban everything!
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Am I racists because I disagree with the following?
Kindergartens no longer being able to have their Christmas pageant because it offends
certain ethnics religions.
Schools stopping Christmas celebrations for the same thing.
Public baths, paid for by rate payers being closed to the general population at specific times
and only opening to specific ethnic populations.
Back in the past the Chinese came here to join the "convicts", then the Italians and the Greeks, yes Australians
(keeping in mind we are all imports apart from the Aboriginals) were very racist to new inhabitants from other
than the home lands, but eventually they assimilated into the "Australian" way of life, well actually we all assimilated
into to what we now know as the Australian way of life. The difference as I see it was the Chinese, Greeks and Italians etc
brought their culture with them, they didn't try and change what was already there they just enhanced with there own
customs and adopted some of what was already there and the rest adopted some of theirs.
These days the minorities aren't happy with what's already here and they know how to manipulate the system to get things
changed to suit themselves and the rest of us not wanting to be deemed racists are to scarred to stand up to them.
I think we are very lucky here in the cultural diversity of our population and the positive changes this has brought about, but
when those form other countries, cultures and customs who have willing chosen to come and live in this great country of ours
try and change it because it is not to their liking then we really do need to reconsider where we are heading.
No I don't believe the flag was racist.
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Pisses me off that these people come here for a good way of life that they see and know... Getting away from war, beatings, murders, etc... But then when they get here, its not good enough for them. They have no respect for the cops or laws..
Why come here and want to change it back to the **** you left behind.. Leave it at the border when you come here - if you don't, **** off back to where you came from. This is not racist, its just how I feel. I don't want people coming here thinking its alright to behead innocent people - or police in Endeavour Hills. If that's how they feel, go and save the country your supposed to be fighting for - don't bring your **** here - that's not the way of life you came here for.
We are a peaceful nation, with certain things that are part of our life. Bike gangs running drugs, corrupt cops, corrupt politicians who can never be found guilty as if they were they would bring down whole nation and economy with the knowledge they have., corrupt local governments, minorities that run everything and people who are too scared to say boo as they will be deemed racist.
Anyone who wants to go fight a war overseas - buy em a plane ticket - but they take all their family and its a 1 way ticket.
YMWV
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How about a new T- shirt with our flag and the slogan " Dont Destroy what you Came to ENJOY " ..
Brilliant, Sounds like a sticker to me
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Brilliant, Sounds like a sticker to me
They would sell like hotcakes I reckon.
anyone got contacts for making stickers?? I'd also take some more GU Grenade ones.
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Wonder how you would go in the USA if you tried banning t-shirts with USA -Greatest country on earth' on em...
Not as long as it took you to type the post
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Shot off an email to our merchandising guy, just waiting to see what art work he comes up with that will include the flag
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I'll buy a couple.
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I'll buy a couple.
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groovy, will take a couple of days depending on how fast they get the artwork done usually there about $2-3 each plus the cost of a stamp, sometimes there feeling generous and get 100 odd done for free
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Stupid if you dont understand it moron
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Stupid if you dont understand it moron
what's to understand? your original question is 'stupid' because everyone knows what the reaction would be, so it offers nothing to the discussion, much like your inflammatory comment quoted.
you are missing the point. the shirt itself is not derogatory to anyone. no religion, ethnic background or cultural minority is mentioned.
explain why people should hide their love of their country? it's a sad day when you are called a racist for loving your country and appreciating what we have here.
other countries are as equally proud of their heritage, and so they should be. why can't we?
if the shirt offends you, explain why it offends you. this would be a reasonable addition to this discussion thread.
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groovy, will take a couple of days depending on how fast they get the artwork done usually there about $2-3 each plus the cost of a stamp, sometimes there feeling generous and get 100 odd done for free
if you get em free, I'll take a dozen :D :D :D
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Irony - most that wear the shirts and use the slogan don't like what Australia now is. Go figure...
Edit: I'll take a couple of stickers also...
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I'm a 5th generation, white, Anglo Saxon, Christian .................. therefore I am a xenophobic racist. My views are considered inappropriate and non PC, I drive a 4X4 so must be an environmental vandal, enjoy a steak and eggs so am fair game for PETA etc etc etc
I think the singlets should read "if you don't agree with me and my lifestyle then FO"
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I'm a 5th generation, white, Anglo Saxon, Christian .................. therefore I am a xenophobic racist. My views are considered inappropriate and non PC, I drive a 4X4 so must be an environmental vandal, enjoy a steak and eggs so am fair game for PETA etc etc etc
I think the singlets should read "if you don't agree with me and my lifestyle then FO"
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It's not that the slogan is racist, it's the southern cross tattooed bogans that will buy them are! ;D
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I'm a 5th generation, white, Anglo Saxon, Christian .................. therefore I am a xenophobic racist. My views are considered inappropriate and non PC, I drive a 4X4 so must be an environmental vandal, enjoy a steak and eggs so am fair game for PETA etc etc etc
Oh my, there I was thinking I was a just an average normal bloke and then I read this. Now I realise I am all of the above and a budding psychopath (as I'm a licenced firearms owner) as well. :o
But hey, I can live with that.
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Put me down for a couple. :cheers:
That slogan works equally well in the bush.
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it's the southern cross tattooed bogans that will buy them are! ;D
I might resemble that remark, but I'm not racist ....I just hate everyone equally.. ;D
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I am the same.
I am not racist, sexist, predigest or discriminate.
I just treat anyone that asks for it, the same way.
People need to learn they are not that special 8)
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People need to learn they are not that special 8)
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I've been told for years that I'm Special (http://www.hairfysh.com/images/Icons/Smileys/smiley-thinking.gif)
Maybe I'm confused by what you mean by "special".
I agree with you Al BTW :cheers:
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I would happily wear one...
I am an immigrant so is my whole family, my son is the first person with my family name born here.
I would wear one with Pride..
In fact I am going to track one down.
actions speak louder than words ..
Jet ;D ;D
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John Howard said it best when he said he was not racist and did not oppose immigration.
However he didn't agree with "multiculturalism". He believes Aus has a culture already that should be embraced by all.
He supports "multi racialism" where all races embrace one culture - Australian.
Would I wear the shirt?
Definitely and with pride.
I too am a migrant. I'm also an Australian citizen who married an Australian and has Australian children and I am proud to call Australia home.
To be offended by it is ridiculous, and our society has taken the whole P.C. thing too far.
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John Howard said it best when he said he was not racist and did not oppose immigration.
However he didn't agree with "multiculturalism". He believes Aus has a culture already that should be embraced by all.
He supports "multi racialism" where all races embrace one culture - Australian.
Would I wear the shirt?
Definitely and with pride.
I too am a migrant. I'm also an Australian citizen who married an Australian and has Australian children and I am proud to call Australia home.
To be offended by it is ridiculous, and our society has taken the whole P.C. thing too far.
Totally agree with ya (http://www.hairfysh.com/images/Icons/Smileys/thumbs%20up.gif)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbI-fDzUJXI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbI-fDzUJXI) parts of this movie just so well to parts of this thread .
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John Howard said it best when he said he was not racist and did not oppose immigration.
However he didn't agree with "multiculturalism". He believes Aus has a culture already that should be embraced by all.
He supports "multi racialism" where all races embrace one culture - Australian.
Would I wear the shirt?
Definitely and with pride.
I too am a migrant. I'm also an Australian citizen who married an Australian and has Australian children and I am proud to call Australia home.
To be offended by it is ridiculous, and our society has taken the whole P.C. thing too far.
You sir are the type of Immigrant that Australia welcomes, great post.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbI-fDzUJXI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbI-fDzUJXI) parts of this movie just so well to parts of this thread .
also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQRZXM-4xI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQRZXM-4xI)
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Make the shirts out of lycra and we can turn this into a bicycle thread ;D
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personally this is what drives me crazy, they leave there war torn countries to try and create a better life for there families then some of them seem to want to resort back to there own ways, I don't understand the logic
nice to note that at least one out of the 200 went off tap for "criticising Australian values"
www.9news.com.au/national/2014/10/11/06/17/radical-calls-for-global-caliphate-under-islamic-law-at-meeting-in-sydney (http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/10/11/06/17/radical-calls-for-global-caliphate-under-islamic-law-at-meeting-in-sydney)
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personally this is what drives me crazy, they leave there war torn countries to try and create a better life for there families then some of them seem to want to resort back to there own ways, I don't understand the logic
exactly what I was getting at above...
I don't get it either
nice to note that at least one out of the 200 went off tap for "criticising Australian values"
that there is ****ed... only one.
www.9news.com.au/national/2014/10/11/06/17/radical-calls-for-global-caliphate-under-islamic-law-at-meeting-in-sydney (http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/10/11/06/17/radical-calls-for-global-caliphate-under-islamic-law-at-meeting-in-sydney)
what the **** is a caliphate - sounds like fertilizer.
How and why are these people allowed into Australia?
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what the **** is a caliphate.....
According to wikipedia.......
"Caliph is a title used for Islamic rulers who are considered politico-religious leaders of the Islamic community of believers, and who rule in accordance with Islamic law. A state ruled by a caliph is a caliphate."
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According to wikipedia.......
"Caliph is a title used for Islamic rulers who are considered politico-religious leaders of the Islamic community of believers, and who rule in accordance with Islamic law. A state ruled by a caliph is a caliphate."
so I was correct :D
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Wollies have done a lot of this sort of stuff.
Not wanting to offend anyone, they offend the Aussie way of life.
They did a poll and over 9000 people found it non-offensive and only 300 were offended.
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According to wikipedia.......
[i A state ruled by a caliph is a caliphate."[/i]
Ok then,If thats whats intended for this place, it'll be time to change our rules to rule # 303. under sub section #303. article 1 #303.
Or the modern equivolent rule #7.62. in all categories of the above.
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Ok then,If thats whats intended for this place, it'll be time to change our rules to rule # 303. under sub section #303. article 1 #303.
Or the modern equivolent rule #7.62. in all categories of the above.
Better change your name to "Breaker" Edz :cheers:
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;D
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my rule book only go's to #22 sub section 250. can I still join in ?
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Continuing with PC madness and retards pulling out the race card for everything they can think of. >:(
http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/racial-connotations-over-black-sheep-prompts-changes-to-baa-baa-black-sheep-at-victorian-kinders/story-fnii5sms-1227093091674 (http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/racial-connotations-over-black-sheep-prompts-changes-to-baa-baa-black-sheep-at-victorian-kinders/story-fnii5sms-1227093091674)
Now they are back on childrens nursary rymes again. >:(
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if the sheep is Black then the #$%^@#$ is Black if the sheep is White the !@#$%^&sheep is White !! end of story
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See what happens when you call sheep names https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4PkMPAlMFo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4PkMPAlMFo)
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News Corp are getting a lot of mileage out of 'You should be outraged' style stories at the moment.
"This may stop you ever swimming again"
"You'll be shocked at what happened here"
"Text from gran - dead since 2011" (what a crock this story is, get to the last sentence and the phone number has been sold)
The headline is designed to suck people in to clicking on the story, which then has the effect of self perpetuating stories of similar ilk because they truly believe people are interested in this cr@p. I reckon this is also the case with these stories about pulling stock of shelves, I reckon there is very little substance to the story. There may have been people who complained, probably to News Corp, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were stuff all complaints, if any.
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if the sheep is Black then the #$%^@#$ is Black if the sheep is White the !@#$%^&sheep is White !! end of story
don't you know that the word bl... cannot be spoken unless you yourself are bl... - otherwise you are a racist, intolerant, ignorant, redneck, bogan Aussie!
having said that - old nursery rhymes were rarely literal - ie this is probably not a song about a bl... sheep in the literal sense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baa,_Baa,_Black_Sheep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baa,_Baa,_Black_Sheep)
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I was born overseas. My parents were £10 poms and 6 of my siblings and myself got a free ticket. My parents decided to come to Australia because they believed it was a safer place and had a better lifestyle to bring up a big mob of kids. Fair dinkum they were right!
I can remember many whinging poms in the 60s and 70s going on about how much better it was back at home. Thank goodness many of them did go back home. Does this make me racist?
I live in Darwin. Darwin is a multicultural city and very rich because of the diversity. We belong to many cultures but we are one under the Australian Flag and the core cultures of Australian Society. I have friends from the sub-continent. They are wonderful people who believe Australia is the best place to live in the world. They still enjoy, celebrate and live many aspects of their ethnic culture but they are Aussies first. I love them and appreciate them and what they are putting into our community.
On the other other hand my next door neighbours are the biggest mongrels I have ever met. They are from Pakistan. They openly verbalise that they hate Australia and its British roots (because they took over India) and everything Australia stands for. They threaten neighbours with physical harm and use the most disgusting language towards other people. I wish they would pack up and go home. Does that make me a racist? Others from India and Pakistan have also suggested that if they hate Australia and Australians so much that they should reconsider being here. Does that make them racist?
We are not "full". There is room for people who want to embrace the riches of Australia, which includes our core values and tolerance of others. Bring and celebrate the riches of your ethnic culture. Add to the diversity of Australia.
BUT If you want to come and talk down our wonderful nation and speak hate and offer nothing constructive then I only have one thing to say, GO HOME! AUSTRALIA IS NOT THE PLACE FOR YOU.
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I was born overseas. My parents were £10 poms and 6 of my siblings and myself got a free ticket. My parents decided to come to Australia because they believed it was a safer place and had a better lifestyle to bring up a big mob of kids. Fair dinkum they were right!
I can remember many whinging poms in the 60s and 70s going on about how much better it was back at home. Thank goodness many of them did go back home. Does this make me racist?
I live in Darwin. Darwin is a multicultural city and very rich because of the diversity. We belong to many cultures but we are one under the Australian Flag and the core cultures of Australian Society. I have friends from the sub-continent. They are wonderful people who believe Australia is the best place to live in the world. They still enjoy, celebrate and live many aspects of their ethnic culture but they are Aussies first. I love them and appreciate them and what they are putting into our community.
On the other other hand my next door neighbours are the biggest mongrels I have ever met. They are from Pakistan. They openly verbalise that they hate Australia and its British roots (because they took over India) and everything Australia stands for. They threaten neighbours with physical harm and use the most disgusting language towards other people. I wish they would pack up and go home. Does that make me a racist? Others from India and Pakistan have also suggested that if they hate Australia and Australians so much that they should reconsider being here. Does that make them racist?
We are not "full". There is room for people who want to embrace the riches of Australia, which includes our core values and tolerance of others. Bring and celebrate the riches of your ethnic culture. Add to the diversity of Australia.
BUT If you want to come and talk down our wonderful nation and speak hate and offer nothing constructive then I only have one thing to say, GO HOME! AUSTRALIA IS NOT THE PLACE FOR YOU.
Well said and :cheers: Tom.
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Hey Bongo, I think we'll let you stay :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Talk about dog whistles......
So what exactly does the T shirt support?
Love Australia or leave it?
What exactly do I have to love?.
Is it the great outdoors - check.
Is it the fantastic lifestyle - check.
High standard of living - check.
Reasonable health care- check.
Lack of violent deaths (statistically) - check.
Reasonable infrastructure - check.
Reasonable education - check.
Now. What is that I have to suck up in order to be accepted by you as a real aussie that loves his country?
What if I disagree with a political parties viewpoint? Can I not love that but hate it?
Would I be allowed to disagree with the "Team Australia" tag that further alienates those on the fridge of our culture and actually increases the chance of violence?
What about the introduction of draconian laws that push minorities further underground so our law enforcement and security people lose track of them? Do I have to love them?
What about the treatment of those seeking asylum here? Am I allowed to question that or would that mean I should leave?
Do I have to love Tony Abbott's behaviour in further alienating the second most powerful nation on earth by picking a fight without the evidence to back up the assertion?
Is there somewhere I can learn this stuff because I love living here but sometimes I disagree with stuff we do? A tick and flick form or something?
The funny thing is I really didn't realise there were so many people of Aboriginal descent on here. You learn something everyday!
(PS - for the seriously bogan that don't get the above - make a checklist of what you have to be to 'love your country' - you should understand then)
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dazzler,
i think the fact that you are allowed to "hate" all the things you listed above is why we love Australia.
The slogan reflects that, pretty simple if you ask me.
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dazzler,
i think the fact that you are allowed to "hate" all the things you listed above is why we love Australia.
The slogan reflects that, pretty simple if you ask me.
Really?
Then why the need for the slogan?
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Look at it for what it is, stop over analysing it
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Really?
Then why the need for the slogan?
Geeze Dazzler, you must have has a really bad night last night. Talk about turning a simple and very self explaining slogan into a bedtime story. ;D
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Screw it I was being to soft.
This is xenophobic crap at its finest (the unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange) and the lot of you should hang your heads in shame. It goes against everything that our forefathers fought and died for.
Every Anzac day we wrap our selves in the Aussie flag and bask in the glow of all that Aussies did throughout the great wars and are still doing in war zones around the world. Yet we pi55 that all down the sink with this nationalistic crap.
Australians were held in the highest regard until recently. If you think we are still held like that you are poorly mistaken. We turned our back on the 'fair go for all' with the Tampa, then the bloody bogan Cronulla Racist crap, disregarding the UNHCR and locking children up in hell holes like Nauru and now this crap. Amazing how quick we can make ourselves look like racist brainless knobs. Take East Timor. We arrange for their independence then screw them over for their oil rights. The poorest country in our region and we pat ourselves on the back for a job well done while knifing them in the back.
Our soldiers would turn in there bloody graves if they heard this crap and they fought for the bloody place.
Open your minds and actually think where this gets us. Think of a conflict in the world that is not a result of nationalism. Bet you struggle. And while we are at it, ever noticed how most often this crap is shouted by bogan white australians. Guess who are amongst the laziest unemployed and dumbest Australians - white bogans.
You are all smarter than stupid bogan white aussies and you know it.
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Well explain it to me.
If you multiply the square root of the sliding scale of beers consumed while contemplating the meaning of life. You will find the question is 7x6=42
:P
Sent from the very exspensive machine that goes ping :)
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I'm Irish by accident of birth but where I choose to live is a privilege ! And that privilege I never abuse ,
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I like the irish. they're just scots that couldn't swim
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I like the irish. they're just scots that couldn't swim
Were as Tasmania proves Victorians can swim
(http://www.hairfysh.com/images/Icons/Smileys/pot%20stiring.gif)
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Were as Tasmania proves Victorians can swim
Failed history, didn't you John? ;D..... :P
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Failed history, didn't you John? ;D..... :P
Hey, We can always change History for a good laugh ;D
Look forward to catching up at Rainbow beach next year.
Travel safe guys.
:cheers:
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Screw it I was being to soft.
This is xenophobic crap at its finest (the unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange) and the lot of you should hang your heads in shame. It goes against everything that our forefathers fought and died for.
Every Anzac day we wrap our selves in the Aussie flag and bask in the glow of all that Aussies did throughout the great wars and are still doing in war zones around the world. Yet we pi55 that all down the sink with this nationalistic crap.
Australians were held in the highest regard until recently. If you think we are still held like that you are poorly mistaken. We turned our back on the 'fair go for all' with the Tampa, then the bloody bogan Cronulla Racist crap, disregarding the UNHCR and locking children up in hell holes like Nauru and now this crap. Amazing how quick we can make ourselves look like racist brainless knobs. Take East Timor. We arrange for their independence then screw them over for their oil rights. The poorest country in our region and we pat ourselves on the back for a job well done while knifing them in the back.
Our soldiers would turn in there bloody graves if they heard this crap and they fought for the bloody place.
Open your minds and actually think where this gets us. Think of a conflict in the world that is not a result of nationalism. Bet you struggle. And while we are at it, ever noticed how most often this crap is shouted by bogan white australians. Guess who are amongst the laziest unemployed and dumbest Australians - white bogans.
You are all smarter than stupid bogan white aussies and you know it.
I disagree with you in every way. If that makes me a stupid bogan white Aussie then that is your opinion.
The singlet had a picture of the Aussie flag with the comments "if you don't love it, leave" in my opinion, this goes for everything our forefathers and ANZACS fought for and died for. Seeing certain races of people that we have invited in to our country burning the Australian flag makes my blood boil, that would make every ANZAC turn in his grave.
My father fought for this country and he would turn in his grave to know how this country has changed. As the singlet says "if you don't like our way of life, F&@$ off. Don't try and ban Christmas carols burn the Aussie flag and try and bring in sharia law.
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Dazzler and Muzza01, I don't disagree with either of you. I love Australia and it's multicultural culture. The freedoms I have and freedoms my family have is part of that culture.
Dazzler, I agree that there are things which our Governments do that I may not agree with but that does not mean I do not like Australia. Also there are facets of the Community that I may not agree with but in the words of albeit an American soldier and it should stand for Our Diggers as well, they fought and died so that we have the freedoms to be what we are. If that means being a bogan so be it. We all have the freedom of choice to be who and what we are. If you aspire to be the bottom of the gene pool or a pillar of society so be it.
I have no issue with who comes to Australia, all I would like to see is they accept our multicultural society. Yes to be honest I would like them to learn English but I also have no issue with them maintaining their own family culture.
What I don't like is when they come to Australia and expect us to change our multicultural culture and accept their ways and laws. Our ANZACS fought so we could keep our freedom. If we did not do the same it would show their efforts was a waste of time.
If that makes me Xenophobic or a bogan, so be it.
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If it is the slogan you disagree with because Bogans chant it, what would be an alternative????
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Dazzler my old man fought for this country and ultimately ended up dying as a result of injuries received in that fight and I can guarantee he would disagree with just about everything you just said but he would be proud that he was part of the fight that gave you the right to have your say
i agree with you that he would be turning in his grave but not for the reasons you stated
macca
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This thread is going deeper and deeper into the poo and I can understand why.
People are very passionate about their belief's and their culture and heritage.
Regardless of peoples thought and opinions which I respect as well as agree and or disagree, our country has laws.
These laws are what govern us, not religion or culture.
Regardless of ANY opinions or thoughts, the law is the law.
Everyone of every culture must follow them or be held accountable.
A lot of this can be solved by simply acknowledging other peoples belief's or customs, but following up a with a resounding "NO"
Yes you are entitled to the freedom of your beliefs, but if they conflict with the law, the law will be enforced.
Simple as that.
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If a person or family migrate to this country for a better life I think they should respect the ways we live and our history both black and white don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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Screw it I was being to soft.
This is xenophobic crap at its finest (the unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange) and the lot of you should hang your heads in shame. It goes against everything that our forefathers fought and died for.
Every Anzac day we wrap our selves in the Aussie flag and bask in the glow of all that Aussies did throughout the great wars and are still doing in war zones around the world. Yet we pi55 that all down the sink with this nationalistic crap.
Australians were held in the highest regard until recently. If you think we are still held like that you are poorly mistaken. We turned our back on the 'fair go for all' with the Tampa, then the bloody bogan Cronulla Racist crap, disregarding the UNHCR and locking children up in hell holes like Nauru and now this crap. Amazing how quick we can make ourselves look like racist brainless knobs. Take East Timor. We arrange for their independence then screw them over for their oil rights. The poorest country in our region and we pat ourselves on the back for a job well done while knifing them in the back.
Our soldiers would turn in there bloody graves if they heard this crap and they fought for the bloody place.
Open your minds and actually think where this gets us. Think of a conflict in the world that is not a result of nationalism. Bet you struggle. And while we are at it, ever noticed how most often this crap is shouted by bogan white australians. Guess who are amongst the laziest unemployed and dumbest Australians - white bogans.
You are all smarter than stupid bogan white aussies and you know it.
That has got to be some of the most twisted comments I have ever read on the subject of patriotism. I know nothing about you Dazzler but from your comments I can only assume that you don't get around much.
It is also obvious that you have never served in the ADF for if you had you would realize that it is exactly what our forefathers fought and died for.
I have been to 28 countries in the last three years an can assure you that real Australians are held in very high regard by the rest of the world.
To call Australians "bogans" just because they are patriotic and want Australia to retain its identity is very sad and ignorant, it would make all the diggers that made the ultimate sacrifice turn in their graves.
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On the contrary, dazzler has had a lot to do with persons from overseas who have come from distant lands and have been forcably repatriated back to unknown ends.
I actually share his view in that I find it sad that our national emblem can be used in this way. The slogan isn't racist as such, but when attached to an icon like our flag its acts as a marshalling point for those with xenophobic views, which is something I doubt our diggers would actually appreciate, as they served to preserve a world where a fair go for all and persecution of minorities, like the Jews, was a norm for some.
A fine point of differentiation I know. Topics like this usually get very personal to those involved, and a few words in a screen often get taken out of the complete context.
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I have been watching this thread since it was started and must say was reluctant to post a view because I feared I would be abused.
My view is very simple - There is nothing racist about the actual statement. But LOVING an IT - is a bot strange. Some bits I love and some bits I loath - like Sydney traffic.
But I am sure that what people are saying is that some of the people who tend to buy these Aussie icons more than often are not open minded and have particular racist attitudes that they want to promote and they specifically target various ethnic communities.
I find it sad that a website that is devoted to camping and 4 wheel driving can get so many posts on this subject. I happy to share my experience of refugees and asylum seekers and views of national security anytime with people who seriously what to discuss but not on MYSWAG.
OK - there it is.
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This is xenophobic crap at its finest (the unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange) and the lot of you should hang your heads in shame. It goes against everything that our forefathers fought and died for.
To call Australians "bogans" just because they are patriotic and want Australia to retain its identity is very sad and ignorant, it would make all the diggers that made the ultimate sacrifice turn in their graves.
Just because someone fought in whatever war, and made the ultimate sacrifice does not grant them immediate reprieve from being a bogan or a xenophobe or even make them a patriot. I'm pretty sure there was a good mixture of all of the above characteristics in Australians who fought in all of the wars.
People who had relatives who fought in wars for Australia have no more right to claim they are more patriotic than someone who stepped off a boat 5 years ago and has just become a citizen.
My Great Uncle enlisted in the Australian Army in the latter part of the first world war. He came from Schleswig-Holstein which was a duchy of Denmark at the time he left and is now part of Northern Germany again. But one might ask themselves why he changed his name from his Germanic sounding Danish name just prior to enlisting.
Phsst, bogans, patriots, xenophobes, give me a break. The day people start sharing the thought that we all live on this little planet called Earth and start treating each other with respect is when these words will disappear from our vocabularies.
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On the contrary, dazzler has had a lot to do with persons from overseas who have come from distant lands and have been forcably repatriated back to unknown ends.
I actually share his view in that I find it sad that our national emblem can be used in this way. The slogan isn't racist as such, but when attached to an icon like our flag its acts as a marshalling point for those with xenophobic views, which is something I doubt our diggers would actually appreciate, as they served to preserve a world where a fair go for all and persecution of minorities, like the Jews, was a norm for some.
A fine point of differentiation I know. Topics like this usually get very personal to those involved, and a few words in a screen often get taken out of the complete context.
I can see what your say (and Dazzler) and I agree our Governments at times do things which we would rather were done differently. At least we live in a Country where we can safely say they have f#@*ed up and there are things we can do about it unlike some other Countries, we still have a freedoms. That is worth fighting for.
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Boring Cornflakes - The Young Ones - BBC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLwc9lbJlIQ#) it fits ..LOL ;D
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Apathy - another great Australian tradition
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This thread was originally started to hear our views on the "Love it or leave it" slogan on tee shirts and was it racist. Most so far appear to agree that it is not. Unfortunately we have members of our society who have expressed a hatred for our country and its citizens and have threatened to do damage and harm to us. This is exactly who that slogan refers to and the sooner they leave the better.
Unfortunately Dazzlers angry rant is a humanitarian issue and not a racist issue and the people to whom he refers are not the target of this thread and i find his reference to our soldiers offensive, as it appears do others. Your reference to those of us who support the slogan as "Bogans" does not do your credibility any favours either.
I am all for helping others on humanitarian grounds but we can't help the whole world and we should start by treating our Aboriginees and Pensioners better than some of the refugees that are being settled here.
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I am all for helping others on humanitarian grounds but we can't help the whole world and we should start by treating our Aboriginees and Pensioners better than some of the refugees that are being settled here.
people have been shot for suggesting such logical things in the past... ask any pensioner how much of a pittance they live on...
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This thread was originally started to hear our views on the "Love it or leave it" slogan on tee shirts and was it racist. Most so far appear to agree that it is not. Unfortunately we have members of our society who have expressed a hatred for our country and its citizens and have threatened to do damage and harm to us. This is exactly who that slogan refers to and the sooner they leave the better.
Unfortunately Dazzlers angry rant is a humanitarian issue and not a racist issue and the people to whom he refers are not the target of this thread and i find his reference to our soldiers offensive, as it appears do others. Your reference to those of us who support the slogan as "Bogans" does not do your credibility any favours either.
I am all for helping others on humanitarian grounds but we can't help the whole world and we should start by treating our Aboriginees and Pensioners better than some of the refugees that are being settled here.
Well said Robbo, could not agree more
macca
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Screw it I was being to soft.
This is xenophobic crap at its finest (the unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange) and the lot of you should hang your heads in shame. It goes against everything that our forefathers fought and died for.
Every Anzac day we wrap our selves in the Aussie flag and bask in the glow of all that Aussies did throughout the great wars and are still doing in war zones around the world. Yet we pi55 that all down the sink with this nationalistic crap.
Australians were held in the highest regard until recently. If you think we are still held like that you are poorly mistaken. We turned our back on the 'fair go for all' with the Tampa, then the bloody bogan Cronulla Racist crap, disregarding the UNHCR and locking children up in hell holes like Nauru and now this crap. Amazing how quick we can make ourselves look like racist brainless knobs. Take East Timor. We arrange for their independence then screw them over for their oil rights. The poorest country in our region and we pat ourselves on the back for a job well done while knifing them in the back.
Our soldiers would turn in there bloody graves if they heard this crap and they fought for the bloody place.
Open your minds and actually think where this gets us. Think of a conflict in the world that is not a result of nationalism. Bet you struggle. And while we are at it, ever noticed how most often this crap is shouted by bogan white australians. Guess who are amongst the laziest unemployed and dumbest Australians - white bogans.
You are all smarter than stupid bogan white aussies and you know it.
And not one word about the slogan on a t-shirt or singlet.....hahahaha......whos smart.....lol
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This thread is all too hard to quantify......I am going to go and have some halal approved vegemite on toast to eat and think about it.
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what does xenaphobe mean?
Swannie
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what does xenaphobe mean?
Swannie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia)
Xenophobia is the unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange.[1][2] It comes from the Greek words ????? (xenos), meaning "strange", "foreigner", and ????? (phobos), meaning "fear".[3] Xenophobia can manifest itself in many ways involving the relations and perceptions of an ingroup towards an outgroup, including a fear of losing identity, suspicion of its activities, aggression, and desire to eliminate its presence to secure a presumed purity.[4] Xenophobia can also be exhibited in the form of an "uncritical exaltation of another culture" in which a culture is ascribed "an unreal, stereotyped and exotic quality".[5] Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action urges all governments to take immediate measures and to develop strong policies to prevent and combat all forms and manifestations of racism, xenophobia or related intolerance, where necessary by enactment of appropriate legislation including penal measure.[6]
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xenophobia or related intolerance, where necessary by enactment of appropriate legislation including penal measure.[6]
Now they are starting to get a bit rich ...so what happens to those that the trouser snake dont measure up or is bigger than [6]. :angel:
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then the bloody bogan Cronulla Racist crap,
Funny enough I was in nulla when that happened it was a simmering pot for many years Dazzler since I was a young teen police and government were aware of it but did nothing.
I was beaten to a pulp by three Lebanese guys walking to my late mums unit in front of the memorial lucky enough a group of young guys came to my rescue I did and said nothing to cause this I wasn't the first not the last.
I am amazed it didn't happen sooner to be honest there is a long history of certain groups coming into Cronulla and causing issues and don't get me started on the boys in blue in the area.
I think the government and this Team Australia BS are a bad joke..... but what can we do,all we can hope for is the people to wake up.
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I am amazed it didn't happen sooner to be honest there is a long history of certain groups coming into Cronulla and causing issues and don't get me started on the boys in blue in the area.
Yup.. having grown up and gone to school thru the area I hear plenty from mates out there
but anytime someone tried to bring it up - they were instantly branded racist..
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The funny thing is I really didn't realise there were so many people of Aboriginal descent on here. You learn something everyday!
Dazzler, please enlighten us as to why you felt it necessary to pop this race flaming comment in here. Are you saying that only Aboriginal Australians are allowed to be patriotic about their country.
You just slagged off a lot of the forum members here for their views on this, but you clearly know the difference between the people that come here for a better life and adapt and assimilate to the Aussie way of life and are willing to follow the laws of the land and work hard to contribute to our communities, as opposed to those who come here with no intention of every trying to assimilate and who want to push their customs and laws upon us hence making this place more like what they were supposedly trying to escape from. That is what the shirt slogan, which is what we are actually discussing here, is meant to portray.
Wes
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Dazzler, please enlighten us as to why you felt it necessary to pop this race flaming comment in here. Are you saying that only Aboriginal Australians are allowed to be patriotic about their country.
You just slagged off a lot of the forum members here for their views on this, but you clearly know the difference between the people that come here for a better life and adapt and assimilate to the Aussie way of life and are willing to follow the laws of the land and work hard to contribute to our communities, as opposed to those who come here with no intention of every trying to assimilate and who want to push their customs and laws upon us hence making this place more like what they were supposedly trying to escape from. That is what the shirt slogan, which is what we are actually discussing here, is meant to portray.
Wes
Geez, that's a lot to get out of one sentence.
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Geez, that's a lot to get out of one sentence.
Yep, long sentence but well said!
Cheers,
Disco teddy.
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Can't believe that ths is still going!
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Can't believe that ths is still going!
Yep I think it's well time it closed. Sorry it's caused some grief.
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It's getting counter productive pretty fast.
Here's an idea if we are gonna talk religion , patriotism and politics let's compare ourselves to isreal and how they deal with foreign affairs and refugees ....makes us all seem alot nicer dosn't it.
An no , I seriously don't want to go there was just sayn
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After my rant I kept well away from this as it would only have gotten worse.
To put you in the picture.
My mothers side of the family were gypsy's and have been and continue to be persecuted.
My fathers side were Huguenots and had their lands taken from them and deported.
If you take the time to look back at your own histories you will most probably find similar stories and the basis for the persecution was intolerance fostered and fed by those with their own nationalistic or religious agendas.
"Love it or leave it" attempts to control what we are allowed to think and is the beginnings of nationalistic behaviour that mostly ends in someone being made to leave.
As a few of you know, I deported a Hazara family back to Afghanistan to the virtual certain death of the father. Done because of the right wing jump that Australia has done since 2000.
I can assure you this family loved Australia.
I will say no more. You are welcome to PM me to continue a personal argument on the matter. I will even give you my phone number.
daz
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Can't believe that ths is still going!
Then don't read the thread.