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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: edz on September 15, 2014, 11:26:59 PM
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Found this trawling through fleabay, Unreserved auction, Could be a bargain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdhaY8D5OVk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdhaY8D5OVk)
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Could be an interesting project, currently sitting at $1041, with 9 days to go! Will watch it to see how it goes.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/121434339631 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/121434339631)
Hopefully the link works.
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1 would assume its been written off for insurance , So how would you go getting insurance if you fixed it ???
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1 would assume its been written off for insurance , So how would you go getting insurance if you fixed it ???
Home made trailer... :)
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This is quoted from the eBay listing;
"Comes with PPSR certificte showing the van has a cleared title and is not on the written off register. Can be re-registered in any State like any standard un-registered trailer."
Can't see insurance being a problem.
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Will be interesting to see what it goes for, reckon it won't be as cheap as many would hope for.
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This is quoted from the eBay listing;
"Comes with PPSR certificte showing the van has a cleared title and is not on the written off register. Can be re-registered in any State like any standard un-registered trailer."
Can't see insurance being a problem.
like a car, if its been written off by any company - but not on the register it can be a real bitch to insure
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But I thought that's what the register is for, if insurance writes it off then it gets put on the register.
Or does the ins comp have an option as to whether or not they put it on the reg? Do repairable write offs get put on the reg? Interesting.
In the vid, there doesn't appear to be enough damage to write off a $70k trailer (based entirely on the fact that I've never repaired a $70k trailer). Maybe the owner didn't have insurance and is just looking to off load it. :cheers:
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Can someone in Victoria go and have a look at it for me? Id happily repay you with man cuddles.
Id like to know whats still in it and whats been stripped out of it? Im going to bid on it but the amount Im willing to pay will be dependant on the value of the accessories/chassis/suspension etc. Im not convinced I would repair it.
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Im currently the highest bidder woo hoo lol
What do you all think its worth in its current state?
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Grrr outbid all ready lol Ill leave it for now and go in with the kill next week if it hasn't got up to silly money.
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In NSW ALL light vehicles that are written of by the insurer are statutory write offs and cannot be re registered. They can only be used for parts. I assume vic is similar.
Double check the wovr as it can take time for the vin to appear on the register and you could be caught out.
Which parts can be used I do not know. I assume anything that is not damaged. So how do you reuse a drawbar with vin on it to make a home made trailer? Just hide the vin I guess.
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I just spoke to the gent he is suggesting it is going to sell for over 20k so I'm out at that price.
He also could not tell me how complete everything is, as in the electricals, heater hot water etc etc. it has no batteries and he said it has had stuff stripped from it. It has also had a lot of water through it. So id be inspecting it if your going to throw a lot of money at it.
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I just spoke to the gent he is suggesting it is going to sell for over 20k so I'm out at that price.
he has his hand firmly grasping his penis too.
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he has his hand firmly grasping his penis too.
LOL I did think that but when I suggested it would be about a 10k or so seller he said he paid that much for it.......typical sales speak but I have a feeling it will be 'bumped' up to a price they want ;)
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LOL I did think that but when I suggested it would be about a 10k or so seller he said he paid that much for it.......typical sales speak but I have a feeling it will be 'bumped' up to a price they want ;)
if he paid 10k for that hes got 1 hand on each penis. couldn't be that stupid with one.
its been a submarine, *STUFF* is missing, but he doesn't know what, its been upside down, frame is bent, he bought an axle and wheels.
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if he paid 10k for that hes got 1 hand on each penis. couldn't be that stupid with one.
Im thinking they may have paid somewhere close to 10k for it.
That model is worth around 40-50k real money to sell as a second hand unit. Plenty for sale higher but realistically 40k or so is the money if you want to actually sell one.
So for someone to purchase it around 15-20k, throw 10k at it, they are still in front. Not by far and those figures could get blown out so anything over 15k IMHO is a risk. Unless of course you wanted one of these, then it may be a risk worth taking.
Too many unknowns for me to throw too much money at it, but ill be having a crack if its still real at the end of bidding.
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I would contact Trak and get their opinion on it before parting with your hard earned.....
I don't think these things are just a couple of panels screwed together. Bit more engineering involved than that, making repair expensive and complicated.
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As Darcy7 said, get an opinion from Trak or better yet pay someone from Trak to come and give an estimate to repair it.
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current bid is already over my spend limit
oh well
Ads
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Oh Oh lf it seem to be to good to be
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That requires an enormous amount of work. Not to mention structurally.
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wonder if the bidders have actually looked at the ad, and not just the first photo!!! LMAO
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She'll be right, someone will snap it up put it in a container and send it to the great yellow land of retro engineering make a few changes .. import thousands as flat packs and become the biggest all Australian made camper trailer manufacturer , might even put out a visual production to show how tuff / easy and great the product is .... Could even get an anonomous person to go on forums and spruke the product up too... Wheres that dot painting guy .
Naaaahhhhhh but that wouldnt ever work, who am I kidding .... Ok I'll stop dreaming of trying to get rich now ..
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She'll be right, someone will snap it up put it in a container and send it to the great yellow land of retro engineering make a few changes .. import thousands as flat packs and become the biggest all Australian made camper trailer manufacturer , might even put out a visual production to show how tuff / easy and great the product is .... Could even get an anonomous person to go on forums and spruke the product up too... Wheres that dot painting guy .
Naaaahhhhhh but that wouldnt ever work, who am I kidding .... Ok I'll stop dreaming of trying to get rich now ..
:cup: :cheers:
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It's only up the road from me.........I might organise to go and have a look.
I don't think it looks too hard to fix the damage.
Matt
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She'll be right, someone will snap it up put it in a container and send it to the great yellow land of retro engineering make a few changes .. import thousands as flat packs and become the biggest all Australian made camper trailer manufacturer , might even put out a visual production to show how tuff / easy and great the product is .... Could even get an anonomous person to go on forums and spruke the product up too... Wheres that dot painting guy .
Naaaahhhhhh but that wouldnt ever work, who am I kidding .... Ok I'll stop dreaming of trying to get rich now ..
i couldnt stop laughing..
best regards,
Anonymous.. um.. i mean. Dan
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She'll be right, someone will snap it up put it in a container and send it to the great yellow land of retro engineering make a few changes .. import thousands as flat packs and become the biggest all Australian made camper trailer manufacturer , might even put out a visual production to show how tuff / easy and great the product is .... Could even get an anonomous person to go on forums and spruke the product up too... Wheres that dot painting guy .
Naaaahhhhhh but that wouldnt ever work, who am I kidding .... Ok I'll stop dreaming of trying to get rich now ..
I ain't saying nuttin!
Quietly giggling. :)
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She'll be right, someone will snap it up put it in a container and send it to the great yellow land of retro engineering make a few changes .. import thousands as flat packs and become the biggest all Australian made camper trailer manufacturer , might even put out a visual production to show how tuff / easy and great the product is .... Could even get an anonomous person to go on forums and spruke the product up too... Wheres that dot painting guy .
Naaaahhhhhh but that wouldnt ever work, who am I kidding .... Ok I'll stop dreaming of trying to get rich now ..
you forgot then there will be a thread of 5000 posts saying NASTY YELLOW PEOPLE COPYING AND TAKING AUSSIE JOBS, which will divert into an a thread of 'we buy everything australian'
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It is up to $5100 and as far as Im concerned for my intended purpose that is now at its limit.
At first glance it is easy to think it would be an easy fix and there could be some money to be made but the more I know about it the less this is so.
The whole body whilst it looks ok on one side in the pics is actually quite bent and out of whack. Even the interior cupboards are out of square to the point that several of them including the bench top is kinked. So realistically what someone is buying is the chassis, suspension and any fixtures that are left over and can be used (the electronics have been wet).
So at $5000 there may still be a little bit of value in it for someone looking to build their own van/camper but its now at my realistic limit to get anything out of it that I can buy/make myself anyway for that type of money. Sure, the Asymmetric suspension they use is worth a bit and dare I say thats where the true $5000 of value comes into it but thats about it. And even then if I was serious, Id be taking a track and trammel gauge or at the least running a tape measure over some vital points to make sure the chassis is square still. Its taken quite a hit. The guy said "he thinks" a tree must have dropped on it but the forces are all pushing backwards right through the whole body so the tree must have been driving down the road when it hit it!
The opposite side (good side) front box is also damaged where the camper obviously jack knifed when it hit the tree that was driving down the road ;)
Anyway just my opinion once I've delved into it a bit more and slept on the prospect of buying to use some of it for my own project.
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To me DannyG it looks like they ran into the tree branch the way the sheeting has crumpled. You would be opening a can of worms if you want to repair it. The chassis would be the only thing if straight, I would be looking at
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It is up to $5100 and as far as Im concerned for my intended purpose that is now at its limit.
At first glance it is easy to think it would be an easy fix and there could be some money to be made but the more I know about it the less this is so.
The whole body whilst it looks ok on one side in the pics is actually quite bent and out of whack. Even the interior cupboards are out of square to the point that several of them including the bench top is kinked. So realistically what someone is buying is the chassis, suspension and any fixtures that are left over and can be used (the electronics have been wet).
So at $5000 there may still be a little bit of value in it for someone looking to build their own van/camper....
about the same value I was thinking it was worth in the parts, if chassis is ok and diesel heater and other electrics were ok you could say that's the same as you'd pay for the gear normally. If you could use more of the van it's a bonus but I wouldn't pay any higher myself either
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I'd suggest anyone interested in this to phone Graeme at track trailer it has quite a story!
It doesn't even have road worthy suspension under it and it didn't hit a tree, it went arse up apparently.
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It doesn't even have road worthy suspension under it and it didn't hit a tree, it went arse up apparently.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is 'going arse up' (in camper trailer parlance)?
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....... it went arse up apparently.
A lot of these hybrids look top heavy to me.
OK in most situations, but with a bit of speed on the dirt, a surprise, and look out.... :o :o
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I'd suggest anyone interested in this to phone Graeme at track trailer it has quite a story!
It doesn't even have road worthy suspension under it and it didn't hit a tree, it went arse up apparently.
Well that's enough info right there. No more bids now
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Forgive my ignorance, but what is 'going arse up' (in camper trailer parlance)?
Came to grief / rolled over/ departed from its normal way of travel to name a few ..
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A lot of these hybrids look top heavy to me.
OK in most situations, but with a bit of speed on the dirt, a surprise, and look out.... :o :o
Yeh I don't want to repeat everything that was said to me on the phone in a public forum but allegedly the owner felt as though the suspension caused the camper and his cruiser to roll over. However the gent I spoke to thought the damage done to the suspension may lead towards hitting a hole at speed.
They removed the suspension to have it tested and put a dodgy setup under it for transportation purposes.
He said they wrote in bright yellow with a paint pen 'not for highway use' on the dodgy suspension or words to that effect.
So without decent suspension it's not worth a lot IMHO
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Yeh I don't want to repeat everything that was said to me on the phone in a public forum but allegedly the owner felt as though the suspension caused the camper and his cruiser to roll over. However the gent I spoke to thought the damage done to the suspension may lead towards hitting a hole at speed.
They removed the suspension to have it tested and put a dodgy setup under it for transportation purposes.
He said they wrote in bright yellow with a paint pen 'not for highway use' on the dodgy suspension or words to that effect.
So without decent suspension it's not worth a lot IMHO
You should ask Ebay man this info.... and email it to all the bidders.. some poor **** is going to do his wad on this...
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You should ask Ebay man this info.... and email it to all the bidders.. some poor **** is going to do his wad on this...
I am going to ring eBay man tomorrow to put a few things to him that I was told but it's buyer beware. All he has to do is act as though he has no idea (which he was to me) and given his disclaimers in his ad on eBay it's up the buyer to check it out properly?
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I am going to ring eBay man tomorrow to put a few things to him that I was told but it's buyer beware. All he has to do is act as though he has no idea (which he was to me) and given his disclaimers in his ad on eBay it's up the buyer to check it out properly?
yea, it could be some poor **** whose been saving up for years to buy something for his family that does his cash.. anyway I'm going to do it anyway.. I reckon everyone should.
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yea, it could be some poor **** whose been saving up for years to buy something for his family that does his cash.. anyway I'm going to do it anyway.. I reckon everyone should.
Lol yep the more people that ask if the suspension is the proper off road set up the more chance he will know we are on to him!
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Lol yep the more people that ask if the suspension is the proper off road set up the more chance he will know we are on to him!
He has blocked questions being displayed. >:(
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Seller is called wholesale.caravans and has others vans listed as well as a history of selling damaged vans. (See completed listings) Surely he would have the knowledge and ability to check if the electronics etc work, because if they did it would be worth more to him.
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I have a feeling we will all get a lot more answers by the days end....stay tuned
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He has blocked questions being displayed. >:(
Gee, that's a shock - but you actually have the option to post them or not post them if you like.
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In response to a direct question regarding being a rolled van....
"That van was rolled over yes or No ? now be honest please."
"We dont get this information when they come in and can only assume what has happened like every one else. It is possible that it has rolled over but it looks like most of the damage is from the top. It has some scratches on the side as well. You are beter calling me if you want more info.
Thanks. "
I just cant bring myself to bid as it just seems like either a great oppourtunity or the worst decision of my life ..if it is what it is then 10K would be good for iyt but just no sure and not brave enough. Far to many "assumptions" I feel.
Last time I checked the term rolled means the top becomes the bottom ;D ;D ;D would he be expecting to see under body damage in a roll over PMSL........
Jet ;D ;D
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I put some very direct questions to him as well and he has dodged them so far so he is not being up front sadly.
I haven't given up though I am pushing him and now he is sending me some photos of the undercarriage. I told him exactly what the manufacturer said in regards to the roll over and temporary transport only suspension they put under it (the manufacturer didn't tell me it was confidential or anything) and he is saying he knows nothing about it and as far as he is concerned it is the proper asymmetric suspension but so far won't confirm if it is ok and the original suspension but ill wait for the photos.
Im also trying to find out a heap of other answers in regards to the fixtures but he is so far dodging them. I haven't asked anything hard, simple questions such as "is the battery charger still in it", "is the hot water unit still in it" etc.
Ill keep you posted. As for the tree falling on it.....well the tree must have fell on the RH rear bottom panels too.....they are dented upwards!
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I put some very direct questions to him as well and he has dodged them so far so he is not being up front sadly.
I haven't given up though I am pushing him and now he is sending me some photos of the undercarriage. I told him exactly what the manufacturer said in regards to the roll over and temporary transport only suspension they put under it (the manufacturer didn't tell me it was confidential or anything) and he is saying he knows nothing about it and as far as he is concerned it is the proper asymmetric suspension but so far won't confirm if it is ok and the original suspension but ill wait for the photos.
Im also trying to find out a heap of other answers in regards to the fixtures but he is so far dodging them. I haven't asked anything hard, simple questions such as "is the battery charger still in it", "is the hot water unit still in it" etc.
Ill keep you posted. As for the tree falling on it.....well the tree must have fell on the RH rear bottom panels too.....they are dented upwards!
You must be bored.. I'd have told him hes full of Shit by now.
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You must be bored.. I'd have told him hes full of **** by now.
lol no I'm just wanting to get all the facts and make sure I am either not wasting money or I am not missing out on a bargain!
The manufacturer sounded very genuine to me and I felt he had no reason to make up stories but in some ways it may be in their best interest to not have some dodgy back harder trying to repair one of their campers!
On the other hand the salesman that is selling it doesn't come across very down to earth or genuine and is almost arrogant and rude, but he may be sick of clowns like me questioning his integrity lol
I have since found out the following if anyone is interested................
Has it still got its complete diesel heater? Yes
Is the battery charger and monitoring system still on it? from what I can see.
Is the hot water unit still in it? not sure wher its located.
Is the water pump and water tanks still in it? Tanks are not sure where pumps are.
Is there any extras still there like the batteries or solar system? no
I can see that it is extensively damaged which I am ok with, has it been rolled over? we dont know for sure whats happened.
Is the chassis and suspension mounting brackets straight? all appear to be fine from what we can see, but it is sold as is. If you are worried come and have a look or dont bid as only the buyer decides on its value not us.
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...make sure I am either not wasting money or I am not missing out on a bargain!
The manufacturer sounded very genuine to me and I felt he had no reason to make up stories
Look at these 2 lines.. LOL ;) ;) ;)
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Look at these 2 lines.. LOL ;) ;) ;)
Are you suggesting I have answered my own question? LOL
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Are you suggesting I have answered my own question? LOL
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anyone that's not coming straight out with the answers you ask, and doges them, I think is full of Shit.
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anyone that's not coming straight out with the answers you ask, and doges them, I think is full of ****.
I agree but also it may be a case of giving too much info in past and it has come back to bite him because something hasn't worked or the buyers expectations were not met?
Or it could be me giving people too much credit and being hopeful its not dodgy and I can grab a bargain! Maybe I can buy it for around 5K and sell it to the Chinese for intellectual property? LOL
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I agree but also it may be a case of giving too much info in past and it has come back to bite him because something hasn't worked or the buyers expectations were not met?
all he has to do is add a disclaimer..
Or it could be me giving people too much credit and being hopeful its not dodgy and I can grab a bargain!
(http://monkeypantz.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/demotivational-posters-classic-desperation.jpg)
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For someone that buys and sells vans you'd think he'd know where the water pumps and hot water heater are located! Hmm, don't sound quite right to me. Reckon he's hiding more issues. He was probably the one who stripped the parts out!
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For someone that buys and sells vans you'd think he'd know where the water pumps and hot water heater are located! Hmm, don't sound quite right to me. Reckon he's hiding more issues. He was probably the one who stripped the parts out!
WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!
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WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!
No, we'll probably have seperate eBay listing's.
Although he didn't have much in the way of van parts on he ebay items.
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But makes a killing at the local pub on payday ..
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It appears as though they may have some sort of conscience after all, the listing has been edited....still not full disclosure but obviously wanted to add this vital bit of info so they don't get a come back............
On 19-Sep-14 at 13:53:55 AEST, seller added the following information:
Attention eBayers, since this has been listed on eBay this week we have been contacted byTrack trailers, they have informed us this van when it had been in the accedent that the original suspention was removed for inspection and replaced with series two suspention. They tell us that even thought it bolts up and looks the same as the original suspention its not correct as the geometry is incorrect and that it shouldnt be towed until rectified. They said to upgrade to right suspention they will supply the parts at a cost of $2500 . Sorry for any inconvenience.
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You gotta wonder about people who can't spell either!
Suspention?
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You gotta wonder about people who can't spell either!
Suspention?
Nothing wrong with the spelling, he has a bit of a lithsp!
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You gotta wonder about people who can't spell either!
Suspention?
I know, I'm not exactly of a high education myself but accedent and suspention! Lol
It's already over 7 grand so it's going to be 10 grand at least just to get a rolling chassis and some fixtures if the buyers genuinely wanting to fix it.
I'm guessing the Chinese or some Aussie imitating company is buying it for the intellectual property ;)
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I cannot believe people are still bidding on it!
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I know, I'm not exactly of a high education myself but accedent and suspention! Lol
It's already over 7 grand so it's going to be 10 grand at least just to get a rolling chassis and some fixtures if the buyers genuinely wanting to fix it.
I'm guessing the Chinese or some Aussie imitating company is buying it for the intellectual property ;)
if the chinese wanted to copy one of the vans there would just take pics of it ,it is amazing what they can get from a pic .look at the motor bikes that's how they did that all that time ago
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In fairness to the seller he likely bought it at Fowles or similar and as such has no history on it. Spelling might just be done on a "smart" phone.
I'd be wary of, "I don't know if xxxx works." In reality if it does it adds $$$ if not it adds ballast.
He wants to make $$$
He could test some of the parts and post either the test or at least "it seems to work but I can't guarantee it works fully"
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In fairness to the seller he likely bought it at Fowles or similar and as such has no history on it. Spelling might just be done on a "smart" phone.
I'd be wary of, "I don't know if xxxx works." In reality if it does it adds $$$ if not it adds ballast.
He wants to make $$$
He could test some of the parts and post either the test or at least "it seems to work but I can't guarantee it works fully"
I agree until I found out that the manufacturer had told him exactly what happened to it and its history. And you are correct he does want to make money so if all the other items on it worked or were there he would mention them in some form like he did the diesel heater I would have thought.
But anyway Im sure who ever is bidding on it has their reasons and good luck to them if they can make whats left of it work. Even if it owes them 10k or more from the auction (which it will now) and they spend 20k or more rebuilding back to its former glory, they still have a cheapish topaz I guess. Its not for me because I wouldn't buy a topaz even if I had the money but for someone who can repair it and wanted that particular model they may still be able to make it work??
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So who bought it?
Went for $12200
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So who bought it?
Went for $12200
not me
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A touch over the odds for me.
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And heres another one..........
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/141454234957 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/141454234957)
These things tend to go belly up quite a bit??
This ones even got a bent chassis.....I love the way the guy in the video says "simply put a new bit in there to fix that" or something along those lines LOL
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And heres another one..........
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/141454234957 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/141454234957)
These things tend to go belly up quite a bit??
This ones even got a bent chassis.....I love the way the guy in the video says "simply put a new bit in there to fix that" or something along those lines LOL
yea another thread on this one already.
some bloke thinks its a bargain.. theres 1 bolt on there you could use....
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I can't find the other thread? And where was the good bolt? ;)
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These things tend to go belly up quite a bit??
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That does seem to be the case Danny.
The track on a lot of these things looks too narrow to me. It might be that, combined with a bit of "I've got the best suspension in the world, so I can go as fast as I like", and over she goes..... :'(
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Wow that ones completely trashed, there is not much worth salvaging off that. It's an interesting point though, are they top heavy or do some people think they are indestructible? Kinda makes the first one seem like an achievable project!
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That does seem to be the case Danny.
The track on a lot of these things looks too narrow to me. It might be that, combined with a bit of "I've got the best suspension in the world, so I can go as fast as I like", and over she goes..... :'(
I agree on both opinions.
This one has certainly had a decent hit to bend the chassis the way it has. Sure the sheet metal top on them is going to be a bit like a cream puff when its hit but the suspension and chassis is reasonably strong so to damage it this bad..........
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yea another thread on this one already.
some bloke thinks its a bargain.. theres 1 bolt on there you could use....
I was being sarcastic when putting it in the have you found a bargain thread hence my comment of you would want to be bloody handy. :cheers:
Personal opinion it would be a waste if time even advertising it, would have been better of stripping any parts worth recovering and selling them individually....
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Personal opinion it would be a waste if time even advertising it, would have been better of stripping any parts worth recovering and selling them individually....
I could imagine that someone out there would see some value in it. Its difficult to tell exactly whats bent and whats not by the pics and video so assuming the suspension and some of the fixtures were salvageable it may be worth a grand or two for the right person perhaps.
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If anyone is looking for a project heres one to start with.
(http://camec.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x650/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/0/0/006640_5691.jpg)
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If anyone is looking for a project heres one to start with.
(http://camec.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x650/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/0/0/006640_5691.jpg)
That could be anything...the imagination boggles ;)