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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: wartim on September 12, 2014, 10:42:33 PM
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Chasing some advice from wide Myswaggers,
Son is turning 18 end of October. Currently finishing grade 12 then off to Uni next year to do Marketing and Business, He works some days after school and Sat and Sun at Coles.
In January this year we got him a 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer for $5,500.00 with only 110,000 k on the clock and full log book history. It was a little cheaper as was a repairable writeoff. Its a great car, very clean and looks good however he has now paid this car off in full :D he want to buy a 2005 BMW 118i with 78,000k on the clock, 6 speed automatic, rego until Feb 2015, 1 owner, full service history, always garaged, etc , etc for $13,500.00.
He has it all worked out, and wont listen to me when I say there nothing wrong with the car he has and it would be better to be debt free while doing Uni. Am I being too hard or should I let him go ahead?
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18yo with a beamer doing Marketing and Business, you've got an entrepreneur on your hands. Image is important. Let Him go, he may support your retirement
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You are being wise mate and providing him the right advice. See how far you can push the point but at the end of the day he is young and caught up in the moment. It wouldn't be the biggest mistake in the world if he followed the heart instead of the head.
Its hard to watch our kids make the mistakes of our youth, but at the end of the day it gets called experience in the end.
Jas
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wait until something goes wrong with the BM and he has to get a loan to repair it...
mates a BM Master Tech down here in Melb... some of the stories he tells me are why I haven't bought one of these cheap used BMs
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wait until something goes wrong with the BM and he has to get a loan to repair it...
x3454433, cars like that are great to impress like minded people providing you can service/insurance pay cash when things go wrong
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Hasn't anyone told him it's his duty as a student to drive an older clunker - what kind of example would that set if he drove the BM!
He's a disgrace to students everywhere if he goes for it :laugh:
Also - if the 'oldies' don't spot him any cash how else is a student going to get some $$'s - modern credit criteria and all...
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As an 18 year old he is thinking a BMW will pull more uni girls than a lancer lol.
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wait until something goes wrong with the BM and he has to get a loan to repair it...
mates a BM Master Tech down here in Melb... some of the stories he tells me are why I haven't bought one of these cheap used BMs
Agree and wait u til you get the insurance quote for an 18yo driving a Beamer.
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If he has it worked out.. And can really afford it.. And all that goes with it. Why not...
If he can't and it all goes south...
It won't matter in 50 years.
Probably won't matter in 10 years.
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Fathom, You fare a wise man. My thoughts exactly
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Lancer= cheap to own
BMW= not as cheap to service, way more exy to repair
My first car was the hand me down sigma, hated it initially but modded it with 300kg of stereo, I wish I still had it! The BMW will be a money pit, my inlaws bought one new and have had lots of things go Wrong that any jap car wouldn't, currently has no a/c because it has failed twice and this time the bill is $3k!
He should buy a 4wd!
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As has been said before, I wouldn't want to own an older Euro car out of warranty unless he or his best mate is a mechanic.
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Go with the Beemer
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Get a 4wd, a camper trailer and take a year off and see this great country…. oh hang on, that's what I wish I had have done!
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You have to let him work it out for himself. Sounds like a pretty smart kid who's got it fairly well together........maybe suggest that he gets a quote to have the 100k service done. If that includes timing belt etc then that may turn him off pretty quickly.
EIther way all good.
:cheers:
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Whatever you say you'll probably never win. Do any of us with kids that age?
I'd just recommend for him to get a few prices on spare parts for a BM, including it's 100k service that'll come up before he knows it. That's about all you can do as the more you pester him the more he'll want it
Bugger, Nomad beat me too it
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Yeah. I agree with nomad and marcus73.
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I wish someone would have put their foot down when I was that age.
I cant help but wonder how much further I would be now financially, if I hadn't "invested" so much money in used cars in my youth ????????????????
Money spent on a car is money he will never get back. If he really wants to go into debt, put it towards a block of land somewhere.
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Not sure i qualify as Wise but here is my scoop
You cant stop him but you don't have to support him..
Some might think me harsh but when our 16.5 YO wants to waste his money on crap, I advise against it but I cant stop it.
BUT .. I no longer pay for things for him. If he has money to waste on clearly bad choices then he don't need my help and can buy his own take away dinners and movie tickets.
Register your belief that it would be a bad decision and then don't be an enabler through other means.
Friends son has spent 12K on a motor bike, they whine and bitch about it incessantly and worry he will get killed..they justify it by saying "it was his decision what could we do the loan is in his name"
He is 19 lives at home for FREE eats for FREE goes on holidays for FREE yet these parents think they have not supported the decision . They are kidding themselves.
He is riding above his size class so a life ending disaster either medically or financially is just waiting to happen.
If you disagree with the decision remove other areas of support you provide and he will see he cant afford it.
Good luck
Jet ;D ;D
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Perhaps its an independence thing and he sees the lancer as your car and the BMW as his car. If the lancer is not in his name then allow him to transfer it all over to his. It's $250 in fees but might solve the problem. Alternatively, suggest he mod the lancer so that he forms more of an attachment to it.
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They are a good quality vehicle. If he can afford it then why not?
Is it a double degree? He may struggle to do a double degree and still do part time work and maintain his grades.
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They are a good quality vehicle. If he can afford it then why not?
Is it a double degree? He may struggle to do a double degree and still do part time work and maintain his grades.
and find the time to wash his new beamer
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Step by step, I reckon this is the answer
1) Get him to get a "full" financial picture, repayments, insurance, repairs etc
2) Assure him that you wont have any spare cash to assist with such costs, he needs to be able to manage this on his own
3) Reassure him that you value his work ethic and know he is good at managing his finance (proof in previous car)
4) drool and dribble at all the pretty young skirt the beemer will attract
5) Be proud your boy has his priorities right ;D
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Tell him to keep the old car, put the money he was going to waste into a share portfolio. Continue to add the savings on servicing etc and in 5 years after uni he could buy new Beamer with warranty and fixed servicing
Swannie
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They are a good quality vehicle. If he can afford it then why not?
Once upon a time they were
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I don't have kids so I'm hardly an expert on parenting, but my view is that if he thinks he is an adult, then treat him like one.
If he wants the car, let him get it, but don't guarantee the loan for him. If he can't make the payments, then don't bail him out. If that means he drops out of uni, then maybe a year in the real world may be just the thing.
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he could do alot worse than a beemer.
I'd let him enjoy it, but thats me ;D
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If only I had all this good advice when I made my mistakes.
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He has it all worked out, except for maybe washing and polishing it :laugh: -:
Full comprehensive insurance is $41.00 per month. In our name and if any happens he has to pay an age excess.
100,000 Km service is only $380.00 at BMW Toowoomba and does not need a timing chain change.
Timing chain issues are on diesel models and early 2004 petrol models.
Can afford the repayments easily.
He's pretty good with his money and paid $2.5k out of own money for a school trip to Japan and paid off $5K for current car in 6 months while keeping up with his school work.
Not much I can say I suppose, he's 18 next month.
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He has it all worked out, except for maybe washing and polishing it :laugh: -:
Full comprehensive insurance is $41.00 per month. In our name and if any happens he has to pay an age excess.
100,000 Km service is only $380.00 at BMW Toowoomba and does not need a timing chain change.
Timing chain issues are on diesel models and early 2004 petrol models.
Can afford the repayments easily.
He's pretty good with his money and paid $2.5k out of own money for a school trip to Japan and paid off $5K for current car in 6 months while keeping up with his school work.
Not much I can say I suppose, he's 18 next month.
Tell him he'd look better in an MX5. lol
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He has it all worked out, except for maybe washing and polishing it :laugh: -:
Full comprehensive insurance is $41.00 per month. In our name and if any happens he has to pay an age excess.
100,000 Km service is only $380.00 at BMW Toowoomba and does not need a timing chain change.
Timing chain issues are on diesel models and early 2004 petrol models.
Can afford the repayments easily.
He's pretty good with his money and paid $2.5k out of own money for a school trip to Japan and paid off $5K for current car in 6 months while keeping up with his school work.
Not much I can say I suppose, he's 18 next month.
I agree, he's got it all worked out. How many other 18yo's in Toowoomba would be driving a Beamer? He's going to be great at marketing!
All the other local lads will be in fords, holders and 4wd's, particularly the army boys.
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Out of curiosity if there is a loan on a car and the car is registered in the p platers name how are the parents able to be the policy holders with the yougin listed as a driver ?
I remember 20 odd years ago when I purchased a car on hire/purchase (secured loan)I had to be the policy holder and had to provide proof before I was able to pick the car up ,If I had one of my parents take out the policy on the car 523.14and I was the regiesterd owner with money oweing ( insurance companies call it fronting) a claim would most likely be rejected,,, loooong time ago though lol
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Out of curiosity if there is a loan on a car and the car is registered in the p platers name how are the parents able to be the policy holders with the yougin listed as a driver ?
I remember 20 odd years ago when I purchased a car on hire/purchase (secured loan)I had to be the policy holder and had to provide proof before I was able to pick the car up ,If I had one of my parents take out the policy on the car 523.14and I was the regiesterd owner with money oweing ( insurance companies call it fronting) a claim would most likely be rejected,,, loooong time ago though lol
you can do it in Vic by stating that you have a financial interest in the vehicle.
Both our son's cars were on our policy so they got our discount, had a higher excess, but were listed as drivers and therefore beginning to earn their own no claim history.
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Tell him to get the Beemer but keep the Lancer.
He can drive the Lancer and rent out the Beemer to his uni mates for $100 a day and they can use it to pick up chicks.
Three rentals over the weekend will pay the finance, and it will be paid off in no time, then he could upgrade to a Ferrari.
I'm sure the uni students would treat the car with respect so maintenance won't be a problem.
Washable rear seat covers are cheap at auto shops, but a $20 deposit on the car being returned without the seat covers being stuck to the seats would cover the unfortunate pre-ejac.
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I can't say I was much better at 17 I was driving a 25000 dollar ute and all I can say is if he knows how much it will cost to run and repay and insure give him the advice that cars don't really go up in value and money is better spent elsewhere but if it's what you really want then do it. Just tell him to keep enough money for his excess at all times and if he struggles to repay it then it might build some more character and a few more lessons under his belt
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When I was 18 I had an old Fiat Uno.
Great car and all mine, and a Honda CBR 600. ;D
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you can do it in Vic by stating that you have a financial interest in the vehicle.
Both our son's cars were on our policy so they got our discount, had a higher excess, but were listed as drivers and therefore beginning to earn their own no claim history.
Passed that info onto a mate who's 19yo son just purchased a brand spanker new ute. My mate ended up having to go guarantor ( giving my mate a financial interest in the car, so i would have thought) even though the loan would have been secured because of the ute but the finance company ( anz) needed the primary policy holder to be Radley (mates son) before the car would be released to him. He spoke to Shannons and they pretty much confirmed the same thing when there's private (non business) secured finance on the vehicle the policy holder needs to be the primary registered owner/driver.Not sure if this is just a under 25yo thing or not but I know with my company car no one under 25 is allowed to drive it
Told him to ring around and get more info before handing over the $3700pa premium OUCH
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Sounds like he's a pretty self motivated bloke. Go for it!
It's an 18 year old males rite of passage to waste big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s on cars!