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Title: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Bird on September 04, 2014, 08:33:48 AM
This would be a good read.
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A descendant of a taxi driver who in 1930 drove three women 11,000-kilometres from Lorne to Darwin and back has likened his bravery to explorers Burke and Wills.

(http://images.theage.com.au/2014/09/04/5731067/0409_NEWS_TAXI.jpg)

Steve Heard's grandfather Charlie Heard steered the Hudson Super Six Tourer car over sand dunes and through crocodile-infested rivers. Despite often facing no roads and no petrol stations, the party returned safely almost three months later, the only mishap a puncture.

On Thursday at the Oakleigh 13CABS depot, Steve will launch a new book on the odyssey, The World's Longest Taxi Fare by Larry O'Toole.

In May 1930 wealthy property owner Ada Beal approached Charlie in a Geelong street. The 68-year-old spinster wanted to see Australia. She would pay the going rate, plus all expenses, and bring her friends Lil Wilmot and Eileen Glenny.

Steve Heard said Charlie, a WWI veteran who saved up to buy the "car for hire", knew they could die if they broke down. But he had a wife and four children to feed. The gamble paid off, and the trip earned him enough buy a mechanics garage in Birregurra.

The women saw sights few others did in the Depression - the Alice Springs telegraph station, the Devil's Marbles rock formation, and the unfinished Sydney Harbour Bridge.

Charlie's daughter Vemba kept his diary, telegrams and photo album in a wardrobe for 50 years before giving them to gobsmacked nephew Steve.

In 2008 Steve and his four siblings re-enacted the trip in a similar (1928) vintage Essex car. Even backed by a caravan, a tow truck and four-wheel-drive, they struggled. In the far north of South Australia, they dug the Essex out of the sand 13 times.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/steve-heard-hails-grandfathers-1930-transaustralia-cab-fare-20140903-10bz61.html (http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/steve-heard-hails-grandfathers-1930-transaustralia-cab-fare-20140903-10bz61.html)

Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: MDS69 on September 04, 2014, 08:43:54 AM
So are you saying that when driving on the graded tracks to Birdsville, Mt Dare etc I don't need my diff locks, snorkel, dual batteries, mud tyres, solar panels, ARB fridge, HEMA GPS, sat phone, winch........

Nooooooooooo
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Bird on September 04, 2014, 08:50:10 AM
So are you saying that when driving on the graded tracks to Birdsville, Mt Dare etc I don't need my diff locks, snorkel, dual batteries, mud tyres, solar panels, ARB fridge, HEMA GPS, sat phone, winch........

Nooooooooooo
you forgot ARB tire deflators.
:cup: :cup: :police: :police: :police: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: komaterpillar on September 04, 2014, 09:16:00 AM
Even backed by a caravan, a tow truck and four-wheel-drive, they struggled. In the far north of South Australia, they dug the Essex out of the sand 13 times.

Sounds like fun, reckon I'll stick with the fourby, with air con, dual batteries, fridge, maxtrax and a few other modcons

Just because someone did it like that 80 years ago, does that mean we should still be doing it like that now?
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Bird on September 04, 2014, 09:48:38 AM

Sounds like fun, reckon I'll stick with the fourby, with air con, dual batteries, fridge, maxtrax and a few other modcons

Just because someone did it like that 80 years ago, does that mean we should still be doing it like that now?
nice way to miss the point.
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: SteveandViv on September 04, 2014, 09:49:45 AM
nice way to miss the point.

 :cup: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: edz on September 04, 2014, 09:52:26 AM
Well you are part way there doing it now Komattapilla ya got a Landy ..... mmmm second thoughts ya doing it tougher than the bloke in the 1930's jobbie  ;D
Sorry couldnt help myself, but I do have a soft spot for Landies too ..
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Bird on September 04, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
Quote from: edz
Well you are part way there doing it now Komattapilla ya got a Landy ..... mmmm second thoughts ya doing it tougher than the bloke in the 1930's jobbie  ;D
Sorry couldnt help myself, but I do have a soft spot for Landies too ..
(http://insidethearts.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/sticksanddrones/files/2012/05/applause.gif)


isn't the 2015 and 1930 model defender the same thing? They certainly look it...
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: gclan on September 04, 2014, 10:11:46 AM
Thanks for the link. What an adventure!





Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Clouty on September 04, 2014, 10:42:06 AM
What an adventure.. :cup:

Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: speewa158 on September 04, 2014, 11:59:09 AM
What an adventure.. :cup:
  That should before dementure  ,,,,l think  :cheers:
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: MDS69 on September 04, 2014, 12:32:10 PM

Sounds like fun, reckon I'll stick with the fourby, with air con, dual batteries, fridge, maxtrax and a few other modcons

Just because someone did it like that 80 years ago, does that mean we should still be doing it like that now?

It's funny how now more often than not people are dragging all the conveniences of home camping with them.
Roast dinners with all the trimmings, gourmet curries, ice cream, cheese biscuits and dips, beer wine spirits etc etc.
Microwave ovens, fans, heaters, electric blankets, coffee machines, bread makers, enough LED lighting to light up an aircraft hanger.......
Mains pressure water via electric pumps, hot showers, flush toilets, queen size innerspring mattresses

Hell I am even guilty of some of the above.
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: GUEY on September 04, 2014, 12:33:09 PM
I've got a zd30, So it would still take me 3 months  ???


What and awesome trip. Must have been a fit bugger as I'm guessing there would have been a fair bit of pushing happening along the way.
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Bird on September 04, 2014, 12:37:44 PM
I'd love to do a trip like one of these in an old car like the family did..  Just to see how hard it really is.
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Goose on September 04, 2014, 01:06:53 PM
I'd love to do a trip like one of these in an old car like the family did..  Just to see how hard it really is.

To be truly authentic you would need to wear a suit too, like in the picture.
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Bird on September 04, 2014, 01:20:02 PM
Quote from: Goose
To be truly authentic you would need to wear a suit too, like in the picture.
I'll supply the suit, hat, and walking stick... Black Diamond can supply and wear the dress ... you supply the car :)
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: muzza01 on September 04, 2014, 01:23:18 PM
So he did a road trip with 3 chicks. I guess there could have been some benefits but I struggle to keep one happy on a road trip.
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: CAM PER on September 04, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
So he did a road trip with 3 chicks. I guess there could have been some benefits but I struggle to keep one happy on a road trip.

Well on their way to 70 mind you. Probably not too many benefits.

Id love to know how it was done fuel wise. Those old cars must have been thirsty and I can imagine he would have been able to carry too much and there would have been very long stretches between 7Eleven servos.
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Beachman on September 04, 2014, 04:19:13 PM
I know everyone is going to think I’m a spoil sport, but it’s a fine line between legend and idiot. I’m not denying it would have been an adventure as I’m sure he was a lateral thinker when working out how to tackle the many obstacles he would have encountered. Wonder how many people didn’t survive when doing similar trips and called idiots??

How many of you guys would do a similar trip (No phone to call for help, No winch or snatch straps etc and limited food/water)  and go on a long trip to central Australia knowing there is a good chance you might not survive?
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: komaterpillar on September 04, 2014, 04:40:26 PM
I know everyone is going to think I’m a spoil sport, but it’s a fine line between legend and idiot. I’m not denying it would have been an adventure as I’m sure he was a lateral thinker when working out how to tackle the many obstacles he would have encountered. Wonder how many people didn’t survive when doing similar trips and called idiots??

How many of you guys would do a similar trip (No phone to call for help, No winch or snatch straps etc and limited food/water)  and go on a long trip to central Australia knowing there is a good chance you might not survive?

Agree 100%
It would have been one epic trip and totally awesome but fraught with danger considering the resources available to them, hence my previous post
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Elky on September 04, 2014, 07:11:03 PM
I love these tales of adventure

I had a fairly clean diesel Gemini and wanted to do something with it before pulling it apart, so I suggested to 2 close mates ( both having many gems as well) that we recreate the wheels comparo road trip between the "new diesel" Gemini and a petrol one fom Sydney to Alice springs........I got blank stares, I guess the spirit of it wasn't shared with them!

Hmmmm......I wonder if a gem has made the cape? :)
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: heath74 on September 04, 2014, 07:20:03 PM
I guess at that time, they had the pinnacle of technology, and thought that they were very well prepared. So in their mind it was a well planned adventure.

Love these stories, thanks for posting.
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Bird on September 04, 2014, 07:24:06 PM
I love these tales of adventure

I had a fairly clean diesel Gemini and wanted to do something with it before pulling it apart, so I suggested to 2 close mates ( both having many gems as well) that we recreate the wheels comparo road trip between the "new diesel" Gemini and a petrol one fom Sydney to Alice springs........I got blank stares, I guess the spirit of it wasn't shared with them!

Hmmmm......I wonder if a gem has made the cape? :)
find me a petrol gem and lets do it !!!!
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: edz on September 04, 2014, 07:54:32 PM
Should be doable, remember the guy who drove Big Red and beyond in a HQ Holden then up to darwin, Also the Moke mob have done  the Cape and desert trips
Top Trek Mokes to Cape York (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tki4noOi3oM#)
Cape York Tele Track in Ford Falcon Teaser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jVB69feTCs#ws)
Cape York, Old Telegraph Track in an Ed Ford Falcon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFINZ6riQBo#)
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: speewa158 on September 04, 2014, 08:19:28 PM
l travelled from Melb to The Great North West & over the top  & back down the East coast in  a 77 LX Torana  3 on the tree with a 173 red motor . lt was sold with a huge hump behind the drivers seat on the passengers floor    , don't ask .
lts not the Dog in the fight lts the size of the Fight in the Dog  .
 Yes l have 4WD but this means l can travel further up a track to get stuck  just as stuffed as anybody else could be .
You dont really need a 4WD  but they are handy to have  . Your journey time is dependant on how fast you must travel .
                                                                                        :cup:       >:D         :cheers:
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: gclan on September 04, 2014, 11:32:38 PM
My Dad loved exploring, so our first 4wding experiences until Dad bought our old Patrol were in a VW wagon back in the 70's.

That little wagon went everywhere. I do remember him digging us out of soft sand though on a little track on the way back from a remote beach in the NT as a bushfire was burning all around us. It was an adventure at the time.

If you survive, it was an adventure. If you're injured or need rescuing at great expense, you're an idiot.

Is that how it's defined? ;D

Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: speewa158 on September 05, 2014, 04:23:42 AM
lf you sit around & dream about doing trips & plan about doing trips you start to collect Stuff . The many Mags & TV shows & internet links show us Stuff that can make life easier on the road . So you buy this Stuff & it gets carted around , sometimes it gets a run somewhere to its intended use . Then you read about somebody that dose a trip with 4/5 of 5/8  of SFA & wonder how they did it . Well they did , because they wanted to .
 There was a mob of Blokes that went from Melb to Up North somewhere & it turned to S@#T on them , let me think Oh yes Bourke & Wills . Lots of kit to take with them & still it went bad on them . BUT they had a go & Good on them .
Weather its in the 30s or tomorrow it a case of " Beat the Feet "   ,  do it   ,  have a go  :cheers:
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Bird on September 05, 2014, 10:54:25 AM
 found a yellow Gemini with rollcage and well worked 13B in it.. that'll do me :D
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Elky on September 05, 2014, 01:03:51 PM
i  got nearly 50 gems ATM.....got a few worthy runners here

my thinkin is jack the the gem up, fit 15" rims with some small AT's, then lock the diff, would go quite good off road, being 900kg will help with durability they are pretty strong in the body

no a/c, no power steering, no fancy electrics and no worries!  :cheers:
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: loanrangie on September 05, 2014, 01:57:58 PM
I've got a zd30, So it would still take me 3 months  ???


What and awesome trip. Must have been a fit bugger as I'm guessing there would have been a fair bit of pushing happening along the way.

That depends on how fast the flatbed can drive  ;D.
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: GUEY on September 05, 2014, 07:17:46 PM
That depends on how fast the flatbed can drive  ;D.

Now theres an idea. I could buy a tilt tray and use the Patrol as a tray topper for sleeping and cooking. Sure to make it home that way, and the winches on those things would get you out of anything.  :cheers:

Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Bird on September 05, 2014, 08:59:13 PM
Now theres an idea. I could buy a tilt tray and use the Patrol as a tray topper for sleeping and cooking. Sure to make it home that way, and the winches on those things would get you out of anything.  :cheers:
take a modern twin cab with you and by the time you need it you'll have a Banana back truck :D
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Hairs on September 05, 2014, 09:13:17 PM
lf you sit around & dream about doing trips & plan about doing trips you start to collect Stuff . The many Mags & TV shows & internet links show us Stuff that can make life easier on the road . So you buy this Stuff & it gets carted around , sometimes it gets a run somewhere to its intended use . Then you read about somebody that dose a trip with 4/5 of 5/8  of SFA & wonder how they did it . Well they did , because they wanted to .
 There was a mob of Blokes that went from Melb to Up North somewhere & it turned to S@#T on them , let me think Oh yes Bourke & Wills . Lots of kit to take with them & still it went bad on them . BUT they had a go & Good on them .
Weather its in the 30s or tomorrow it a case of " Beat the Feet "   ,  do it   ,  have a go  :cheers:

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Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: JBird on September 08, 2014, 10:02:26 AM
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Sounds like fun, reckon I'll stick with the fourby, with air con, dual batteries, fridge, maxtrax and a few other modcons

Just because someone did it like that 80 years ago, does that mean we should still be doing it like that now?
nice way to miss the point.

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Posted by: Beachman
« on: September 04, 2014, 04:19:13 PM »

I know everyone is going to think I’m a spoil sport, but it’s a fine line between legend and idiot. I’m not denying it would have been an adventure as I’m sure he was a lateral thinker when working out how to tackle the many obstacles he would have encountered. Wonder how many people didn’t survive when doing similar trips and called idiots??

How many of you guys would do a similar trip (No phone to call for help, No winch or snatch straps etc and limited food/water)  and go on a long trip to central Australia knowing there is a good chance you might not survive?

History is worthless to some people lol.

Funny how people say that to do something like this is stupidity, and maybe it is, but doesn't everything start with stupidity in some way? As the old saying goes "necessity is the mother of invention".

When you were younger didn't you used to just do stuff without thinking about it and 9 times out of 10 everything was fine afterwards.
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: Streetkid on September 08, 2014, 10:28:54 AM
Bite off more than you can chew, then chew like crazy. I like this motto.
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: edz on September 08, 2014, 11:21:49 AM
Wouldnt say the old taxi driver went off on the adventure and didnt plan the trip out in advance ..he pre organised fuel and supply drops along his  planned route ... They might have been game in those days but not stupid ..
Title: Re: ... but I need a 4wd
Post by: komaterpillar on September 08, 2014, 03:08:06 PM
nice way to miss the point.


History is worthless to some people lol.

Funny how people say that to do something like this is stupidity, and maybe it is, but doesn't everything start with stupidity in some way? As the old saying goes "necessity is the mother of invention".

When you were younger didn't you used to just do stuff without thinking about it and 9 times out of 10 everything was fine afterwards.
Sorry for posting and expressing my opinion. Should I pm Jbird and Bird in future prior to posting to get the all clear?  ???