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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: tikety on September 02, 2014, 08:53:06 PM
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G'day all I don't like to slag off on things but we tried to stay at a caravan park in derby today that had a pool so the kids could cool off, when visiting reception to book in we got refused because kids are not welcome, we find that this is nothing but discrimination and ridiculous kids only learn by being around older people
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I stayed there last year and the reason I stayed there is because they don't have kids, I guess we all have different needs
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We found that in 2012. Thought if was a bit strange at the time but the other park is ok and the pool in town is great. I think its the only park I have heard of that doesn't allow kids in a caravan park.
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So long as it was openly advertised at the entry or office and not done just as you enquired about a site.. you couldnt really say its discrimination, more like a offering an alternate choice to the travelling public and targeting a particular style of customer base ...
If they were the only park available offering a service then I think you might be right to say you had been discriminated against .. And I do have kids .
Been a bit of discussion like this on other forums too http://www.caravanersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3109 (http://www.caravanersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3109)
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No it wasn't openly advertised it was as we asked about a site and the manager asked for how many people I explained that it was 2 adults 2 kids she said that we cannot stay there as we do not allow children in our park, it is the biggest joke I've heard of kids are the future of not only our country but business also, and they have great memories of who treats them with respect, as older people expect to be treated. I can only imagine how some people would react if they couldn't stay somewhere because they don't have kids.
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What's funnier is when people walk there dog on to somebody else's sight to urinate!! Maybe that's what they think kids do as well, and no I'm not having a go at people that take pets away because like kids the majority are not an issue
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And none of the parks in Broome allow pets except the PCYC over flow area. It is what it is. There are other places to stay anyway and it is quite old. Personally I only stay there if I can't get in any where else while there for work.
Better off getting to Broome or up the Gibb.
I suppose it's wrong to also state that I want kid free areas on planes and especially not behind me kicking my seat ;D
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I suppose it's wrong to also state that I want kid free areas on planes and especially not behind me kicking my seat ;D
Generally that's called 1st / business class not always though.
But back to OP, they should of advertised, but would be surprised if this was not discriminatory from a legal point
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Would never bother on a legal point because that also is killing this country, just want people to realise that this crap happens in our free country, maybe the people that whinge about kids forget they also had been kids
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Yep there are lots that forget they where kids once .. To not show the no kids ruling upfront at the park, I wouldnt have been to happy about it either .. Their loss and hopefully you found a nicer place to have a great time .
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You're KID ding
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Before I left the NT I saw it in their brochure and on Derby saw it advertised in the tourist office so no surprise there, if you don't like.the rules then go somewhere else.
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Generally that's called 1st / business class not always though.
But back to OP, they should of advertised, but would be surprised if this was not discriminatory from a legal point
Yea, I'm aware of that and like you say - not always. I Spent 20 years traveling up the front and as a result never have to fly again to keep my status at the top of the heap. Helpful now I go from Broome to Perth a couple of times a Month and was great with the knee replacement in getting seats blocked off but anyway - was tongue and cheek anyway. It is not discriminatory either as it is well advertised. Like said just go else where. And like I said the other caravans parks here do not allow pets. Is that also discriminatory?
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Not everyone likes kids,same as not everyone likes pets. I've been places where there has been a heap of kids, running through sites, making general kid noise, which is fine for the parents of this kids, because they have said, go on go play down the rd with the other kids, so while mum and dad have a nice peaceful camp, that group of now 15 kids is running around the whole park disturbing everyone.
Maybe the owners of the park got sick of having to fix things that kids destroy or vandalise? Who knows.
Ps I like kids and it doesn't bother me, just pointing out another view.
Edit, when we went to Vanuatu a few years ago, we stayed at irriki island, one of the mains reasons for this, no kids allowed. It was great sitting by the pool, without listening to kids yelling and screaming, or bombing in the water every 30sec.
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Don't really care weather people think it's discrimination or not I think in our country, caravan and camping is a national institution enjoyed by families if people don't like families go and stay in 5 star resorts that normal families can't afford!!!
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Don't really care weather people think it's discrimination or not I think in our country, caravan and camping is a national institution enjoyed by families if people don't like families go and stay in 5 star resorts that normal families can't afford!!!
That's gotta be the dumbest bullShit attitude i've heard in a while !!
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l reckon it catering to a market . lf you can run a business the way you want to by only dealing with you chosen clientele , & it works . Then it will work for that for that reason . Yes it tuff on those that don't fit the said set , but its their business how they run it . Bloody Grey Nomads :cheers:
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Don't really care weather people think it's discrimination or not I think in our country, caravan and camping is a national institution enjoyed by families if people don't like families go and stay in 5 star resorts that normal families can't afford!!!
Of course you do, otherwise you wouldn't of posted. I guess you didn't get the replies you were looking for though. It happens sometimes. Just enjoy the other van park where you can have kids :cheers:
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That's gotta be the dumbest bull**** attitude i've heard in a while !!
Not sure which part you think is "dumbest" the fact is that caravan and camping is a family institution in Australia.
Steve.j if that's what you are prepared to say and think of people's it's as good a reason for us not to bother using or contributing to my swag
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Unfortunately some caravan parks and resorts are like that.
I can understand the frustration about turning up and then you are told to go away because you have kids.
It should be advertised that children are not allowed.
I would have told the kids to sit outside, set up, and then tell the kids to come into the park. That would have been fun to watch.
Tikety, there will always be people who want children free areas. I hope you had a great holiday with the kids any way apart from this hiccup.
Mark
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Cheers mark yes we have had a fantastic trip thanks, yes it would have caused some dramas lol
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Don't really care weather people think it's discrimination or not I think in our country, caravan and camping is a national institution enjoyed by families if people don't like families go and stay in 5 star resorts that normal families can't afford!!!
No mate it is an institution full stop not a family institution as you say so what cause me and the missus have no kids we are not allowed to go camping
At the end of the day they have designed a business to cater to a particular market the same as any business does and the fact it has been around for a while means there is a demand for it
So basically have a coke and a smile and get over it
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No mate it is an institution full stop not a family institution as you say so what cause me and the missus have no kids we are not allowed to go camping
At the end of the day they have designed a business to cater to a particular market the same as any business does and the fact it has been around for a while means there is a demand for it
So basically have a coke and a smile and get over it
Oh my god... No kids ? How dare you use a caravan park, didn't you know their for families only ? You should be staying at a 5 star resort, I'm sure they will let you set the camper up on the lawn next to the pool........ wont they ? ::)
Not sure which part you think is "dumbest" the fact is that caravan and camping is a family institution in Australia.
Steve.j if that's what you are prepared to say and think of people's it's as good a reason for us not to bother using or contributing to my swag
The "Dumbest" is your attitude that only families (or those that want to camp near other peoples kids) should be using caravan parks.
It smacks of the whole "as long as MY interests are being looked after, screw the rest of you" attitude that is sadly so prevalent today.
The fact is lots of people, from all walks of life, enjoy caravanning and camping, and not all of them want to camp with kids. The park is catering to that part of the market, in the same way that some cater for those that travel with pets, and some target the kid market with the bouncy cushions and kiddie pools etc.
Quite simply, if you don't like their business model, you don't have to do business with them, its that easy.
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Well from my non parent external view there is one constant i have noticed
The parents that moan the loudest about their kids not being included usually have the kids that are the worst behaved
But hey i dont have kids so what would i know
I love flame on fridays ;D
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[quote author=steve.j link=topic=39220.msg640320#msg64
The "Dumbest" is your attitude that only families (or those that want to camp near other peoples kids) should be using caravan parks.
It smacks of the whole "as long as MY interests are being looked after, screw the rest of you" attitude that is sadly so prevalent today.
The fact is lots of people, from all walks of life, enjoy caravanning and camping, and not all of them want to camp with kids. The park is catering to that part of the market, in the same way that some cater for those that travel with pets, and some target the kid market with the bouncy cushions and kiddie pools etc.
Quite simply, if you don't like their business model, you don't have to do business with them, its that easy.
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My theory on families is couples of any gender, parents with kids, grand parents with grand kids whatever I have not said exclusive to a family of wife husband and 2.3 kids, I felt it was poor form but that is only an opinion.
Steve the form of saying dumbest attitude and making the statement that I think screw everybody else is your thoughts.(not mine)
Some of the older generation also think kids should be outside playing enjoying the great outdoors?
And yes we did move on and find another place that was enjoyable, the whole idea of these forums is to pass on trip experiences, not a personal slanging match as some would like ?
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Personally I think we are over covered for "family friendly" this and "family friendly" that in this country, ya gotta be carefull of what ya say or type because its "family friendly" bulls&*#
I don't stay at big4's when I camp by myself because I know there's going to be a hord of over excited screaming leprechauns that there parents think everybody love and want to hear screaming. I think there should be a lot more kid free places including restaurants, airline services. I have a lack of tolerance of other parent's little friends in the same sense I have a lack of tolerance for the neighbours dog that craps on my grass and not clean it up, I shouldn't have to deal with it!!!
ahhhh fellin much better now :D
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Don't really care weather people think it's discrimination or not I think in our country, caravan and camping is a national institution enjoyed by families if people don't like families go and stay in 5 star resorts that normal families can't afford!!!
See your words ^^^ ? Why should they ??
I think pretty much everyone agrees that kids should be outside playing, you wont get any argument against that from me.
However, just because kids should be outdoors, doesn't mean everyone wants to camp with them.
I travel and camp with my kids, and kids runnin about generally don't bother me, But I completely understand that some people would rather not camp near kids. When im not travelling with kids, given a choice, I'd choose a kid free place as well.
Expecting that every caravan park caters to you and your kids is a "screw everyone else" attitude.
As for slanging match, read that red bit^^ up there again, If your going to chuck about opinions like that, expect that some people will disagree and tell you so !
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We stayed there when we did our Kimberley trip, but we knew it was no kids before we left home because we checked.
The joint was so full when we stayed there that we had to take a cabin, because the sites were all booked out. So, I guess they're doing something right?
I'm using one of their stubbie holders right now, having a beer as I type, I loved the joint! ;D
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[quote author=steve.j link=topic=39220.msg640320#msg64
The "Dumbest" is your attitude that only families (or those that want to camp near other peoples kids) should be using caravan parks.
It smacks of the whole "as long as MY interests are being looked after, screw the rest of you" attitude that is sadly so prevalent today.
The fact is lots of people, from all walks of life, enjoy caravanning and camping, and not all of them want to camp with kids. The park is catering to that part of the market, in the same way that some cater for those that travel with pets, and some target the kid market with the bouncy cushions and kiddie pools etc.
Quite simply, if you don't like their business model, you don't have to do business with them, its that easy.
My theory on families is couples of any gender, parents with kids, grand parents with grand kids whatever I have not said exclusive to a family of wife husband and 2.3 kids, I felt it was poor form but that is only an opinion.
Steve the form of saying dumbest attitude and making the statement that I think screw everybody else is your thoughts.(not mine)
Some of the older generation also think kids should be outside playing enjoying the great outdoors?
And yes we did move on and find another place that was enjoyable, the whole idea of these forums is to pass on trip experiences, not a personal slanging match as some would like ?
That's great mate, glad you found somewhere to stay, and enjoyed your trip. It would be silly to let something like that get you down. Thanks for sharing, when I get over to derby, I know what park I will stay at.
Ps Do you have wikicamps? If not get it and use it in your travels, infact if you look up your van park in question you would of saved yourself from going there to start with. :cheers:
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Cheers old mate have got wiki camps but we generally have winged it when looking for parks, lesson now learned. For everybody else we have stayed a some amazing places including middle lagoon, kooljaman, tamala station to name a few they really in a great part of our country
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We stayed there when we did our Kimberley trip, but we knew it was no kids before we left home because we checked.
The joint was so full when we stayed there that we had to take a cabin, because the sites were all booked out. So, I guess they're doing something right?
I'm using one of their stubbie holders right now, having a beer as I type, I loved the joint! ;D
This park was the first one we went to at Derby but unfortunately it was booked out
During out recent trip across the top of WA we were woken up at 5.30 on more than one occassion by either kids or people packing up and I know which I prefer.
I have heard of other child free caravan parks which were also booked out.
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Not that hard to book out when only park that has a pool and only 20 sites?
Noise at 5:30 in morning wether kids or people packing is still noise if parents letting their kids make that noise is disrespectful, people packing is unavoidable and kids or no kids is exactly the same
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Not sure which part you think is "dumbest" the fact is that caravan and camping is a family institution in Australia.
Steve.j if that's what you are prepared to say and think of people's it's as good a reason for us not to bother using or contributing to my swag
But seriously, it maybe an institution but lots of us have no interest in having others around while we are out on the track enjoying our institution. Yea it's fun to meet up with groups as you travel but the institution you talk about is quite different for every different family.
Personally I go to places that no one else can - so remote, which means no one else close by so even though I have kids mine love the being out there, shooting feral cats and fishing for dinner, not yelling and screaming around a pool so having a few places that stop that is great. You could have gone to the King Sound Resort, they have a great pool.
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Yep middle of tanami is fairly remote where we spent a bit of time derby just happened to be somewhere we thought we might stop to freshen up and as I have said we had been chancing our luck when we pulled into towns
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No mate it is an institution full stop not a family institution as you say so what cause me and the missus have no kids we are not allowed to go camping
At the end of the day they have designed a business to cater to a particular market the same as any business does and the fact it has been around for a while means there is a demand for it
So basically have a coke and a smile and get over it
X 2 from me.