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News reports somebody got attacked,any details ?
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http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-12/man-attacked-by-dingoes-on-fraser-island/5666230
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News reports somebody got attacked,any details ?
i read about this last night, here's the details in a nutshell....stupid person goes walking on an island beach alone at night (about 10.30 p.m) where known wild dogs live and gets bitten...end of story.
sorry to say, but if you're that silly to do that then ::) ::). I'm glad to read it wasn't more serious outcome and sounds like he's ok, but some common sense needs to be shown by people when they visit Fraser Island or any other place in the world where wild animals are known to live.
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i read about this last night, here's the details in a nutshell....stupid person goes walking on an island beach alone at night (about 10.30 p.m) where known wild dogs live and gets bitten...end of story.
sorry to say, but if you're that silly to do that then ::) ::). I'm glad to read it wasn't more serious outcome and sounds like he's ok, but some common sense needs to be shown by people when they visit Fraser Island or any other place in the world where wild animals are known to live.
I can see a new mini series in the making. 'A Dingo bit my maaaate'. Or Underbelly series 4,256 - A Dingo's Tail
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Problem is, now they will say the dingo is 'rogue' and hunt it down & kill it.
If you have ever seen a dingo in the zoo, this resembles in no way the dingoes on Fraser, the dogs are so starved, ribs hanging out of their skin, if a dog owner treated their dog this way RSPCA would be onto them.
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i read about this last night, here's the details in a nutshell....stupid person goes walking on an island beach alone at night (about 10.30 p.m) where known wild dogs live and gets bitten...end of story.
sorry to say, but if you're that silly to do that then ::) ::). I'm glad to read it wasn't more serious outcome and sounds like he's ok, but some common sense needs to be shown by people when they visit Fraser Island or any other place in the world where wild animals are known to live.
Bit harsh mate. I fish at night heaps on fraser. I usually drive the fourby down, but it's a regular occurrence to be standing there fishing while a dingo sits about 10m behind you, just watching and waiting for an opportunity to steal some bait or possibly me!
Would it be my fault if an aggressive dingo attacked me in that situation?
This incident happened outside happy valley. A woman got bitten last month in daylight outside eurong. They hang around the more populated areas as that's where the human traffic leaves rubbish to scavenge.
The fault lies with Nat Parks for not culling or relocating some dingoes (ie too many dingoes, not enough food), stupid tourists who either feed or don't secure their food/rubbish, stupid fishermen who don't secure/dispose of bait and fish remains, and a situation where there are ever increasing numbers of humans and dingoes interacting.
I've seen dingoes circling fishermen outside eurong, and even when we drove cars at them, bepping horns, yelling etc, they weren't fazed. They have no fear of humans, and in some cases like this biting incident, are driven to attack much larger humans out of desperation.
I'm going up there in October with my 3 kids - will be watching them every second, day and night.
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Dingo's are a naturaly lean animal, About 10 year ago I would agree with you Cupcake, after the closing of the rubbish tips they did get to skin and bone for a while, till their numbers equalled out over time, but now other than sick ones.
All the ones Ive seen look to have been quite well fed and healthy compared to dingo's Ive seen in the bush of the mainland ..
Pic is from last month . And there were more solid sized ones than this one getting around .
Spoke to the Rangers there last month and they have been stopped by Departmental instruction from hazing the Dingo's now too + the islands ranger staff levels have been reduced due to Govmit cost cutting ..
As for people feeding them etc, saw that happen daily up there too.
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Bit harsh mate. I fish at night heaps on fraser. I usually drive the fourby down, but it's a regular occurrence to be standing there fishing while a dingo sits about 10m behind you, just watching and waiting for an opportunity to steal some bait or possibly me!
Would it be my fault if an aggressive dingo attacked me in that situation?
This incident happened outside happy valley. A woman got bitten last month in daylight outside eurong. They hang around the more populated areas as that's where the human traffic leaves rubbish to scavenge.
The fault lies with Nat Parks for not culling or relocating some dingoes (ie too many dingoes, not enough food), stupid tourists who either feed or don't secure their food/rubbish, stupid fishermen who don't secure/dispose of bait and fish remains, and a situation where there are ever increasing numbers of humans and dingoes interacting.
I've seen dingoes circling fishermen outside eurong, and even when we drove cars at them, bepping horns, yelling etc, they weren't fazed. They have no fear of humans, and in some cases like this biting incident, are driven to attack much larger humans out of desperation.
I'm going up there in October with my 3 kids - will be watching them every second, day and night.
so you know the dingos are there which are wild dogs, and you choose to go down to the beach to fish at night (possibly on your own?), yet if one of those wild dogs was to bite or attack you it's National Parks fault that that happened...is that what you're saying?
would it be the same thing if you were in the NT fishing by a river with crocs in it and a croc came and bit you?...you'll say that's completely different i'll guess, but at the end of the day you'd be the one putting yourself in either of those situations.....i'm not sure why people think dingos are something other then the wild dogs that they are, and expect them act differently to that just becuase so many tourists visit the island.
If the guy was in a large group of people i highly doubt the attack would have happened, but go anywhere on the island on your own day or night, and there is the real chance (regardless of how often it happens or doesn't happen) you could get attacked by dingo's, especially if they are in a group of 3 like was this case. They are wild animals, people need to change their habits and treat them that way, not expect National Parks to move the "trouble makers" away from the people. yes the tourists are a big part of the problem here with feeding them etc, but people need to be responsible for their own actions also and have a think about the situation they are putting themselves in.
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so you know the dingos are there which are wild dogs, and you choose to go down to the beach to fish at night (possibly on your own?), yet if one of those wild dogs was to bite or attack you it's National Parks fault that that happened...is that what you're saying?
would it be the same thing if you were in the NT fishing by a river with crocs in it and a croc came and bit you?...you'll say that's completely different i'll guess, but at the end of the day you'd be the one putting yourself in either of those situations.....i'm not sure why people think dingos are something other then the wild dogs that they are, and expect them act differently to that just becuase so many tourists visit the island.
If the guy was in a large group of people i highly doubt the attack would have happened, but go anywhere on the island on your own day or night, and there is the real chance (regardless of how often it happens or doesn't happen) you could get attacked by dingo's, especially if they are in a group of 3 like was this case. They are wild animals, people need to change their habits and treat them that way, not expect National Parks to move the "trouble makers" away from the people. yes the tourists are a big part of the problem here with feeding them etc, but people need to be responsible for their own actions also and have a think about the situation they are putting themselves in.
well said
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With ya 100% on that Rumpig ..
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so you know the dingos are there which are wild dogs, and you choose to go down to the beach to fish at night (possibly on your own?), yet if one of those wild dogs was to bite or attack you it's National Parks fault that that happened...is that what you're saying?
would it be the same thing if you were in the NT fishing by a river with crocs in it and a croc came and bit you?...you'll say that's completely different i'll guess, but at the end of the day you'd be the one putting yourself in either of those situations.....i'm not sure why people think dingos are something other then the wild dogs that they are, and expect them act differently to that just becuase so many tourists visit the island.
If the guy was in a large group of people i highly doubt the attack would have happened, but go anywhere on the island on your own day or night, and there is the real chance (regardless of how often it happens or doesn't happen) you could get attacked by dingo's, especially if they are in a group of 3 like was this case. They are wild animals, people need to change their habits and treat them that way, not expect National Parks to move the "trouble makers" away from the people. yes the tourists are a big part of the problem here with feeding them etc, but people need to be responsible for their own actions also and have a think about the situation they are putting themselves in.
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so you know the dingos are there which are wild dogs, and you choose to go down to the beach to fish at night (possibly on your own?), yet if one of those wild dogs was to bite or attack you it's National Parks fault that that happened...is that what you're saying?
would it be the same thing if you were in the NT fishing by a river with crocs in it and a croc came and bit you?...you'll say that's completely different i'll guess, but at the end of the day you'd be the one putting yourself in either of those situations.....i'm not sure why people think dingos are something other then the wild dogs that they are, and expect them act differently to that just becuase so many tourists visit the island.
If the guy was in a large group of people i highly doubt the attack would have happened, but go anywhere on the island on your own day or night, and there is the real chance (regardless of how often it happens or doesn't happen) you could get attacked by dingo's, especially if they are in a group of 3 like was this case. They are wild animals, people need to change their habits and treat them that way, not expect National Parks to move the "trouble makers" away from the people. yes the tourists are a big part of the problem here with feeding them etc, but people need to be responsible for their own actions also and have a think about the situation they are putting themselves in.
I have to agree here.
A few years ago I decided to have an evening flick for a Bass or two in the Macleay river on a property that I knew had a fair dingo population. I drove about 15 mins from camp & after 10 mins of flicking a lure I noticed a dingo watching from about 50 metres away. After 15-20 mins there were about 8 of them so I slowly made my way back to the vehicle & returned to camp where the mates gave me a hard time about it. But, I'll never do it again on my Pat Malone!
Steve
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so you know the dingos are there which are wild dogs, and you choose to go down to the beach to fish at night (possibly on your own?), yet if one of those wild dogs was to bite or attack you it's National Parks fault that that happened...is that what you're saying?
would it be the same thing if you were in the NT fishing by a river with crocs in it and a croc came and bit you?...you'll say that's completely different i'll guess, but at the end of the day you'd be the one putting yourself in either of those situations.....i'm not sure why people think dingos are something other then the wild dogs that they are, and expect them act differently to that just becuase so many tourists visit the island.
If the guy was in a large group of people i highly doubt the attack would have happened, but go anywhere on the island on your own day or night, and there is the real chance (regardless of how often it happens or doesn't happen) you could get attacked by dingo's, especially if they are in a group of 3 like was this case. They are wild animals, people need to change their habits and treat them that way, not expect National Parks to move the "trouble makers" away from the people. yes the tourists are a big part of the problem here with feeding them etc, but people need to be responsible for their own actions also and have a think about the situation they are putting themselves in.
No, I said the fault lies with a range a factors. The fault behind the reason why the dingoes attack humans. They are scavengers by nature.
If I get bitten in that situation , the yes I have put myself in that situation. When I was a kid, we could do this type of thing on fraser, and never had to worry about dingoes. Then nat parks took the horses off the island (which I believe the dingoes would eat when they died) and more and more tourists both drove drop litter and feed the bloody things, and now it's not safe to walk around day or night on your own there.
But if you re-read my story about the aggressive dingoes near the fisherman (there were about 8 blokes fishing together), you will note they weren't fazed either. So what turned them more aggressive over the last 30years? And is there a way to turn back time on this with aggressive strategies, so we can safely coexist?
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And is there a way to turn back time on this with aggressive strategies, so we can safely coexist?
I don't think so I'm afraid..
20yrs ago dingoes were naturally very shy ( and in many other places apart from Fraser ), but with more humans ( and food, either scraps or idiots feeding ) they have bred themselves to be not shy, and so I don't believe we can co exist with them..
People have bagged a bloke for being on his own, but what if there were 4 fishermen, and 20 dingoes attacked them ??
Don't worry, a few dingoes will get culled out of this, and while some say thru no fault of theirs, fact is we can't co exist............either ban tourists from Fraser ( won't happen ) or find a way of keeping the dingoes away from humans..
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I don't think so I'm afraid..
20yrs ago dingoes were naturally very shy ( and in many other places apart from Fraser ), but with more humans ( and food, either scraps or idiots feeding ) they have bred themselves to be not shy, and so I don't believe we can co exist with them..
People have bagged a bloke for being on his own, but what if there were 4 fishermen, and 20 dingoes attacked them ??
Don't worry, a few dingoes will get culled out of this, and while some say thru no fault of theirs, fact is we can't co exist............either ban tourists from Fraser ( won't happen ) or find a way of keeping the dingoes away from humans..
Yep agree 110%. They are different now.
Unfortunately they have to kill this dog if they can find it (they are ear tagged, so it's possible if he saw the tag), as once it attacks a human it's a huge danger.
Totally different situation to croc habitats, that are naturally aggressive and will attack anything.
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Was up there Easter this year - the dingoes were pretty skinny.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Dla7gNW5gHo/U46zI-5OwOI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/eVd4KMZa-AE/w1035-h688-no/DSC_2589_2061.jpg)
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That's how they are supposed to look. A bit greyhoundish and quite lean is very normal.
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Agree that the human interaction has a part to play with the current behaviour of the Fraser Dingoes.
Same thing has happened with the Pelicans, they used to be seasonal but now they are there all the time (apparently)
And definitely the Dingoes on the southern part are more aggressive towards people and we know why. must drive the rangers mad
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Totally different situation to croc habitats, that are naturally aggressive and will attack anything.
and that's the thought process people that visit the island need to change, they are wild dogs which can be very aggressive at any time (and have been that way for many years) and should be treated that way all the time, not thought of as something that only sometimes / rarely is aggressive and is shy by nature. I know of dingo attack reports on Fraser Island going back to atleast 1988 and the fatality was in 2001, so it's not like it's a new thing to suddenly be happening.
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When National Parks wiped out the Brumby population many years ago the problems started to increase.
I can remember waking up as a little kid camping to a site full of brumbies or roo's. You don't see roos there anymore at all. The balance is all out of wack and surely the dingoes will go as they have no real prey to feed on anymore.
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Dickhead backpackers feeding em. Need a backpacker tax on fraser.
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They're dogs - but not as we know 'em! They are not tame, nor are they pets.
They are a pack animal that will hunt together, attack, kill and eat together. This is what they do.
They were never shy, just scared of the big smelly humans. Once they got more used to us they lost the fear and are happy to hunt us. We don't fight back (imagine the uproar if a group of campers killed one or more dingo's). Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should kill them.
This is their stomping ground. If you go in there expect that they will be there and will hunt you given the opportunity. Play smart like most and you won't get hurt. Take the risks and accept the possible results.
Respect their instincts and enjoy the fact that they're not locked up. Enjoy the experience of seeing some of the purest breed of dingo's around in their own habitat and again - be smart around them.
And don't get me started on the Great Whites off WA!
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So the answer is to clear humans from the island and ban anyone travelling there.
And funny how we always refer to 'tourists' as the third person........... ;D
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And funny how we always refer to 'tourists' as the third person........... ;D
Lol. Yeah like we arnt tourists when we go there hahahaha
Dingos are wild animals, simple and straight, the same as a croc, a snake (whether it's in your tank at home or not) a lizard, a funnel web spider. They are wild and should be treated as such.
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:cheers:
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They need to update that with carbon tax hahhaha
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I also often go down to the beach fishing at night on Fraser. Dingoes are often there but typically only 1 or 2. I haven't felt physically threatened and was surprised to learn a single, adult man was savagely attacked.
Does this imply that we must *never* be alone on Fraser now? What has changed to make it dangerous now?
Do we need a friend/partner to come with us when we wander 20m from the tent in the middle of the night to take a leak?
Do we need someone to come fishing with us at 5am/first light?
Maybe we should ban all camping in unfenced areas?
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Who's up for a wander & late night fish on their own in Kruger National Park????
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... and was surprised to learn a single, adult man was savagely attacked.
Really?
Wild dogs are just that.
Does this imply that we must *never* be alone on Fraser now? What has changed to make it dangerous now?
Do we need a friend/partner to come with us when we wander 20m from the tent in the middle of the night to take a leak?
Do we need someone to come fishing with us at 5am/first light?
What makes it dangerous is ****wits feeding dingo's like they are pet poodles.
The dogs are becoming more and more 'adventureous' with campers/campsites and expecting a feed.. To them a person/kid/adult/poodle on their own is a standing up rump steak.
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Really?
Wild dogs are just that.
What makes it dangerous is ****wits feeding dingo's like they are pet poodles.
The dogs are becoming more and more 'adventureous' with campers/campsites and expecting a feed.. To them a person/kid/adult/poodle on their own is a standing up rump steak.
Thanks Bird!
Nothing has changed, they always were wild animals and always will be.
If you walk up to an elephant in africa, chances are it will charge and stomp the living daylights out of you. Just cause you patted one at the zoo makes no difference to what they are..
These dingos are hunters and scavengers, and will take the easist thing they see, whether it is the sausage roll the german backpackers give them or some guy by himself.
Its nature
Who's up for a wander & late night fish on their own in Kruger National Park????
1,2 dingos coming for you, 3,4 better lock your door ;D ;D ;D
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1,2 dingos coming for you, 3,4 better lock your door ;D ;D ;D
5,6 Shittin brix.. 7,8 your the bait..
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We've been taking the kids to Fraser since they were 18 months old, never had a drama and have seen plenty of dingos. We've walked along the beach and walked some of the lengthy walks to the interior lakes at differing times.
For us the main thing is educating the kids, in sense skilling them with some " actions on" if they are threatened. For me as the dad/husband and fine leader of our clan (ouch dear) it's about being situationally aware, always carry a decent walking stick near the lakes or when fishing the butt section of an old cork handled shimano beach rod is also a pretty satisfactory deterrent.
We just love the place.
Cheers,
Disco teddy.
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I use to do a lot of night fishing at Fraser and 99% of the time the Dingo’s never bothered me. Due to lack of space we use to sleep on the sand under a tarp and it wasn’t uncommon for the dingo’s to come into camp and lick you while sleeping (They could smell and taste the bait and fish)
In saying that I always kept a rod holder next to me just in case, but never once felt threated. If anything they were like playful dogs.
But one trip we went during breading season and I’m not ashamed to admit I was very concerned with the dingoes. Reason is once night fell, I could hear quite a few dingoes’ circling us in the bushes as well as them growling and fighting each other. Luckily that night we were in a tent and I made sure I kept a lump of wood and a knife next to the bed.
Each time we visit Fraser, I see tourists feeding them on a daily basis and that’s there the problem is as they are becoming reliant on us for food.
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5,6 ****tin brix.. 7,8 your the bait..
9,10 never fishin again!!!!
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1,2 dingos coming for you, 3,4 better lock your door ;D ;D ;D
5,6 ****tin brix.. 7,8 your the bait..
9,10 never fishin again!!!!
:cup: ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWOvbDS5lv4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWOvbDS5lv4)
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9,10 never fishin again!!!!
PMSL
;D ;D
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Fixed ya problem for ya " safe as now unless the bastards learn to fly ".. ;D
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Fixed ya problem for ya " safe as now unless the bastards learn to fly ".. ;D
Pmsl. Yep that's stuff em hahahaha
Just don't sleep, they will get you in your dreams. Lol
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Do the Dingos at Fraser Is howl (singing my darling says)? Up at Mitchell Falls (Kimberleys) last year they just went off from probably 2K away to bloody 10 meters, they got into a cannister with dehydrated food and they were fat looking dogs. We were sleeping on stretchers under the awning on the D.Max, luckly it started to rain so I got in the truck, got called a wimp by my darling, but said I want to keep all my toes :D ;D
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Years back before Dundaburra camp ground was fenced, we were seranaded most early mornings by a couple of vocal locals, over a few years of camping up there .... you would get them brushing the sides of the tents at night too but never had any troubles .
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Somebody will start bitching now.....
*So now I can't go to Fraser unless I have a travel lift and work for Energex.*
Seriously, this thread could nearly be in the electrical section soon.
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Somebody will start bitching now.....
*So now I can't go to Fraser unless I have a travel lift and work for Energex.*
Seriously, this thread could nearly be in the electrical section soon.
See even jeepers gets it ;D ;D ;D
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A lady got choppered off the island today with suspected heart attack.
I bet a dingo gets the rap for that too.
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A lady got choppered off the island today with suspected heart attack.
I bet a dingo gets the rap for that too.
i heard she bought a carton of beer at one of the bars, and when she heard the price from the bar tender the chest pain kicked in immediately
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i heard she bought a carton of beer at one of the bars, and when she heard the price from the bar tender the chest pain kicked in immediately
Must of been a tourist
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Was at Fraser on the Anzac weekend with plenty of dingoes about as apparently start of breeding season. What I noticed was there is so much scaremongering (for want of a better word) about the dingoes on Fraser (do you see the same at Alice Springs, not sure?) and so many 'Overseas Tourists' who really dont have a clue about the dangers?
I had a dingo walk up and really suss me out however would not come any closer than 5 mtrs them decided dont like this Bloke (even kids in the car said it was scared of me) only to walk 10 mtrs and right up behind a young Asian women who was sitting down on the beach. She just cowled over rather than stand up which put the dingos head at her head height. I watched horrified as the dingo shaped its mouth ready to nip at the back of her neck shoulder area, until I ran over and chased it away.
I am 100 % certain it was going to bite her and 100% certain that if she had stood up and faced the dingo as it was coming towards her it would have left her well alone. If this scene was in Africa and it was a lion, leopard or similar there is no way she would have let this wild animal get so close.
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If this scene was in Africa and it was a lion, leopard or similar there is no way she would have let this wild animal get so close.
Wanna bet ??
Some of these asians are really not switched on at all....
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Here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRSYMfC2PFU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRSYMfC2PFU)
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Yep agree 110%. They are different now.
Unfortunately they have to kill this dog if they can find it (they are ear tagged, so it's possible if he saw the tag), as once it attacks a human it's a huge danger.
Totally different situation to croc habitats, that are naturally aggressive and will attack anything.
There is a lot of dingoes on Fraser Island with no tags on their ears. This is due to the changes made to the management of dingoes on Fraser Island. We we on Fraser late June, early July this year. I even asked the ranger about the large number of dingoes without ear tags.
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Shoot the lot of them. Why we would want to protect an introduced species is beyond me - if they were pigs we wouldn't be having this discussion. My wife won't go to Frazer for fear that the kids will be attacked by a Dingo; what's the point of having National Parks if people can't enjoy them? And the crocs argument is bollocks - endemic animals are part of the ecosystem and part of the attraction. These are glorified ferals.
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Don't take this the wrong way..... but you're an idiot.
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Wow. Now there's a clever argument.
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Shoot the lot of them. Why we would want to protect an introduced species is beyond me - if they were pigs we wouldn't be having this discussion. My wife won't go to Frazer for fear that the kids will be attacked by a Dingo; what's the point of having National Parks if people can't enjoy them? And the crocs argument is bollocks - endemic animals are part of the ecosystem and part of the attraction. These are glorified ferals.
Interesting point. However I thought most of us where an introduced species also. Same could be said for the feral comment also.
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Yes, I'd agree that humans are introduced too. And to that extent I suppose I'm just accepting the argument that National Parks have been established for the enjoyment of every 'human', and therefore we all have a right to be there. We've certainly made more impact on the environment than any other animal. But I'm intrigued as to why people think Dingoes are so special? Is it because they are dogs? We certainly don't have the affinity for feral cats.
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Thats where we differ. I was under the impression Nat Parks where set up to preserve wildlife and fauna. Not for our enjoyment.
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Thats where we differ. I was under the impression Nat Parks where set up to preserve wildlife and fauna. Not for our enjoyment.
From the National Parks web page:
"Like zoos, national parks have several purposes. The foremost of these is to protect native flora and fauna. But national parks are also there so Australians and foreign visitors can enjoy and learn about our unique environment, heritage and culture."
Note the reference to NATIVE flora and fauna, and for visitors to enjoy.
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Quotes? Ok, Also from the parks website.
"The survival of the Fraser Island dingoes relies on three management factors—education, engineering and enforcement. Fraser Island dingoes are part of the island ecology, and are protected by law"
The reason they are protected is they are thought to be the purest strain of dingo left.
And I think they have been around a bit longer than most of us.
"The Dingo is Australia's wild dog. It was probably introduced to Australia by Asian seafarers about 4,000 years ago. Its origins have been traced back to a south Asian variety of Grey Wolf (Canis lupus lupus). Recent DNA studies suggest that Dingoes may have been in Australia even longer (between 4,640-18,1000 years; Oskarsson et al 2011), however, the earliest undisputed archaeological finding of the Dingo in Australia has been dated to 3,500 years ago - See more at: http://australianmuseum.net.au/dingo#sthash.Fla2YA3c.dpuf (http://australianmuseum.net.au/dingo#sthash.Fla2YA3c.dpuf) "
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Shoot the lot of them. Why we would want to protect an introduced species is beyond me - if they were pigs we wouldn't be having this discussion. My wife won't go to Frazer for fear that the kids will be attacked by a Dingo; what's the point of having National Parks if people can't enjoy them? And the crocs argument is bollocks - endemic animals are part of the ecosystem and part of the attraction. These are glorified ferals.
my guess is your just writing that as bait, but if not here goes...more fool your wife for being paranoid something might happen to the family and not just go there and take sensible precautions to try and be sure the family is safe (you can never rule anything out 100% from possibly happening), educate yourselves at how the majority of attacks have happened and you'll see a common theme appearing. Take sensible precautions whilst on the island and you'd likely have more chance of being involved in a car accident on your holiday then being "attacked" by dingos. Plenty of people enjoy going to Fraser Island (about 380 000 people a year last i read), so not sure what your point is with not being able to enjoy going to that National Park, it's just a choice your family seems to have made not to go there.
We have been taking our kids there and beach camping since they were both 6 months old, keep an eye on them and don't let them wander off alone (don't let young kids wander off together either, should have an adult present) and you shouldn't have a problem. For us and for many others the dingos are part of the attraction of Fraser Island, but we are smart enough to realise where we are and adapt to the conditions to make it as safe as we can for our family whilst there. Waking up in the morning and seeing fresh dingo foot prints in your camp is part of the Fraser attraction for us, and i'm sure many other people also.
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Shoot the lot of them. Why we would want to protect an introduced species is beyond me - if they were pigs we wouldn't be having this discussion. My wife won't go to Frazer for fear that the kids will be attacked by a Dingo; what's the point of having National Parks if people can't enjoy them? And the crocs argument is bollocks - endemic animals are part of the ecosystem and part of the attraction. These are glorified ferals.
Ask this question.. Do you go camping?? Or you and your family stay at home and watch TV..
Cause you can just go to any old bush camp and be bitten by a spider, snake or kicked by a cow and horse if you get to close.. So are we going to get rid of cows and horse's now because they are introduced??
So doesn't really matter where you camp theres a chance that a little one or adult can be hurt..
Wake up and smell the roses buddy we live in a country where there's dangerous animals everywhere..
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I'm with Jeepers,
FYI - The resident Dingoes on Fraser Island should be treated with respect and are an integral part of the World Heritage and tourism value the Island offers. World Heritage areas are places listed under the World Heritage Convention that have cultural or natural values of such importance that they are recognised as sites of heritage for all people of the world.
Why is Fraser Island World Heritage Listed -:
Fraser Island is the biggest sand island in the world.
Half the world’s perched freshwater dune lakes are found here.
This island is home to the world’s purest-bred dingoes.
The only place On Earth Where Rainforest Grows In Sand At Elevations Of 200m
It helps us understand how the earth and living things develop over time
Fraser Island provides important examples of geological processes and biological evolution through
its ever changing sand dune formations; lakes of varying diversity, age and developmental stages; and
ecosystems that have developed in response to maritime conditions and nutrient poor soils.
Some facts about the Dingo
Dingoes cannot bark - but they can howl.
Dingoes have unique wrists in the canine world, capable of rotatation. This enables dingoes to use their paws like hands and turn door knobs. Their ability to go where other dogs can't means dingoes can cause more problems for humans than other wild members of the dog family can.
A dingo can turn its head through almost 180 degrees in each direction.
Dingoes have permanently erect ears.
Dingoes can be found living in Australia and Southeast Asia, mainly Thailand.
Australian dingoes are larger than Asian dingoes. Which means our Dingoes have evolved and are unique to Australia.
The plural of dingo is dingoes, not dingos.
Male dingoes are larger than females. Males weigh 26 to 43 pounds (12 to 20 kg) and females weigh 21 to 35 pounds.
Most Australian dingoes are ginger-coloured or sandy coloured with white chests. There are also dark coloured dingoes.
Wild dingoes can live for up to ten years but usually live for more like five or six years.
dingo-woodland
Dingoes cared for by people can live up to 15 years or more.
Domestication of dingoes has been difficult. Dingoes are intelligent animals. They are more independent and harder to train than other dogs.
Dingoes have larger canine teeth than domestic dogs.
Wild Australian dingoes kill and eat prey ranging in size from small lizards, birds and rodents up to sheep and kangaroos. They will also scavenge carrion.
The days of the pure dingo may be numbered. Dingoes are increasingly mating with feral domestic dogs. Some of the genetically purest dingoes live on Fraser Island in Queensland.
Evidence has emerged more recently of pure dingoes living close to Sydney.
Research at Sydney's University of New South Wales indicates dingoes may be the world's oldest breed of dog.
Dingoes breed once a year.
Australian dingoes mate in autumn.
Dingoes' gestation period is two months.
Dingoes produce one litter of pups each year.
Dingo litter sizes range between one and ten pups. The average number of pups born is five or six.
The dominant female dingo kills any pups born to other females in a dingo pack.
Pack members help care for the pups of the dominant dingo pair.
At around 8 weeks old, pups are weaned onto solid food, often consisting of regurgitated meat.
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Ok, so we've established that National Parks are there for the use of people, so let's dispense with the whole 'they were here before us' argument, because it's moot.
As you've pointed out, National Parks believes in conserving dingoes at Frazer. I'd contend that they are doing a very poor job of it, and that's impacting on peoples ability to visit and enjoy the island. As Nomad pointed out, once the brumbies were culled the problems really started as the food balance was lost. Now I'm not advocating for a second that the brumbies be retained - they certainly should have been removed - but we have a situation where an introduced animal (and there's no argument that they were introduced by humans, regardless of when) is looking to actively seek out and interact with humans because we are a food source. If the environment was in balance, as it was before that balance was interfered with by humans, we wouldn't be having this problem. Humans need to undo what has been done as they did with the brumbies. The attachment to dingoes is, in my view, misplaced and impacting the use of the island by the visitors who have a mandate to enjoy it.
Then again, Maybe I'm trying too hard to qualify an emotional argument. I can't visit Fraser with my kids for fear that they will be harmed by Dingoes. And that sucks.
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Ask this question.. Do you go camping?? Or you and your family stay at home and watch TV..
Cause you can just go to any old bush camp and be bitten by a spider, snake or kicked by a cow and horse if you get to close.. So are we going to get rid of cows and horse's now because they are introduced??
So doesn't really matter where you camp theres a chance that a little one or adult can be hurt..
Wake up and smell the roses buddy we live in a country where there's dangerous animals everywhere..
Again, ignoring the argument. Spiders and snakes are endemic. And that's a stupid comment about cows and horses.
Stay at home watching TV? I've camped all over this country. Try and stick to the facts instead of reverting to insults because you're incapable of making an educated argument.
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Wow. Now there's a clever argument.
My dear ol Dad, always said, never argue with an idiot, as no matter how wrong they might be, they'll never see it, as they are too busy to see past their own agenda.
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Ok, so we've established that National Parks are there for the use of people, so let's dispense with the whole 'they were here before us' argument, because it's moot.
As you've pointed out, National Parks believes in conserving dingoes at Frazer. I'd contend that they are doing a very poor job of it, and that's impacting on peoples ability to visit and enjoy the island. As Nomad pointed out, once the brumbies were culled the problems really started as the food balance was lost. Now I'm not advocating for a second that the brumbies be retained - they certainly should have been removed - but we have a situation where an introduced animal (and there's no argument that they were introduced by humans, regardless of when) is looking to actively seek out and interact with humans because we are a food source. If the environment was in balance, as it was before that balance was interfered with by humans, we wouldn't be having this problem. Humans need to undo what has been done as they did with the brumbies. The attachment to dingoes is, in my view, misplaced and impacting the use of the island by the visitors who have a mandate to enjoy it.
Then again, Maybe I'm trying too hard to qualify an emotional argument. I can't visit Fraser with my kids for fear that they will be harmed by Dingoes. And that sucks.
How do you transport the kiddies around. Surely not on public roads & especially the Bruce Highway section used to get to Fraser as it's regarded as the most deadly section of road in Qld.
Oh, better not let them swim in the ocean either!
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As you've pointed out, National Parks believes in conserving dingoes at Frazer. I'd contend that they are doing a very poor job of it, and that's impacting on peoples ability to visit and enjoy the island.
which people exactly are being effected....the drunken backpacker who can't find his way back to camp at night and passes out alone on a dune only to be awaken by a dingo nibbling on his foot, the young kid down by the barge landing point who wanders off alone whilst the parents are busy fishing or sitting in a vehicle reading a book, the guy walking alone on the beach at 10.30 p.m at night, the 2 young boys walking through a track without adult supervision, the asian lady sitting on the beach alone.......see a common theme appearing here at all do we?
Then again, Maybe I'm trying too hard to qualify an emotional argument. I can't visit Fraser with my kids for fear that they will be harmed by Dingoes. And that sucks.
as i wrote earlier.....educate yourself how the majority of attacks occurred and you'll see it's not hard to avoid those situations and enjoy Fraser Island as a beautiful place to visit ;)
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my guess is your just writing that as bait, but if not here goes...more fool your wife for being paranoid something might happen to the family and not just go there and take sensible precautions to try and be sure the family is safe (you can never rule anything out 100% from possibly happening), educate yourselves at how the majority of attacks have happened and you'll see a common theme appearing. Take sensible precautions whilst on the island and you'd likely have more chance of being involved in a car accident on your holiday then being "attacked" by dingos. Plenty of people enjoy going to Fraser Island (about 380 000 people a year last i read), so not sure what your point is with not being able to enjoy going to that National Park, it's just a choice your family seems to have made not to go there.
We have been taking our kids there and beach camping since they were both 6 months old, keep an eye on them and don't let them wander off alone (don't let young kids wander off together either, should have an adult present) and you shouldn't have a problem. For us and for many others the dingos are part of the attraction of Fraser Island, but we are smart enough to realise where we are and adapt to the conditions to make it as safe as we can for our family whilst there. Waking up in the morning and seeing fresh dingo foot prints in your camp is part of the Fraser attraction for us, and i'm sure many other people also.
Yes Rumpig, you're right and that was bait. But then I kinda got into the argument. On reflection I think you're right about taking caution with the kids, but I do need to get my wife across the line on the concept. She virtually grew up on Fraser as a kid when the dingoes were far less prominent than they are today. We were there a few years ago and we saw a dingo chase some kids into Lake McKenzie. I assume the kids were stirring it up, although I didn't see them doing it. But the dingoes from our observations are far more aggressive than they were 20 years ago, and that caused us to question going with little kids.
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We were there a few years ago and we saw a dingo chase some kids into Lake McKenzie. I assume the kids were stirring it up, although I didn't see them doing it.
which begs the question....and their parents were where?...obviously not looking after their kids properly on an island know for it's wild dogs.
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Here's some facts for you
Visitor numbers now stand at some 380,000 visitors per annum, with an average
length of stay of approximately 4 nights and which equates to approximately
1,500,000 bed nights (source: Fraser Coast South Burnett Tourism Association).
Vehicle numbers are approximately 70,000 per annum and these figures are certain
to rise.
Most dingo attacks on Fraser are the fault of the tourist doing something they know they shouldnt, so why blame the dingo -:
A 25-year-old man attacked by a pack of dingoes on Fraser Island had his clothes ripped from his body and rolled into a ball on the ground to protect himself, the veteran paramedic who treated him has said.
But Happy Valley ambulance officer Rod Macdonald leapt to the defence of the wild dogs, saying shortly after Monday’s night’s attack, the young victim conceded he should not have ventured beyond resort fencing to go to the beach in the dark.
The attack on Dane Allan, a chef at Fraser Island Retreat on the island’s eastern side, has once again sparked debate about dingo management on the island.
Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/fraser-island-dingoes-not-to-blame-says-paramedic-20140814-1049bh.html#ixzz3AVXvUuot (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/fraser-island-dingoes-not-to-blame-says-paramedic-20140814-1049bh.html#ixzz3AVXvUuot)
My wife and kids have visited this World Heritage Island of ours several times and love the place.
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That's GOLD D4D and it is only yawning :cup: :cup: :cup:
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Cast and they will bite
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Fraser is a terrible terrible place.
Dangerous to man, beast and vehicle.
I strongly urge everyone to stay away.
If you have even the most minor concern.
You are right.
Don't listen to the people telling you it's safe. Just stay away.
There that should get the beach to myself. :)
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Fraser is a terrible terrible place.
Dangerous to man, beast and vehicle.
I strongly urge everyone to stay away.
If you have even the most minor concern.
You are right.
Don't listen to the people telling you it's safe. Just stay away.
There that should get the beach to myself. :)
Just you and D4D's dingo ;D
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Just you and D4D's dingo ;D
Pfft. That's just a little one.
I have heard Australian native dingos can grow big enough to swallow a large twin axle caravan.
The place is dangerous I tell you.
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Pfft. That's just a little one.
I have heard Australian native dingos can grow big enough to swallow a large twin axle caravan.
The place is dangerous I tell you.
by any chance, do you change character and structure on a full moon?
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by any chance, do you change character and structure on a full moon?
Now that guy mention it....
Maybe...
That's not the worst of it.... The Dingos nearly quadruple in size too
Then there's the Bunyips. They are big enough to eat the dingos whole.
And don't be fooled by the safety fenced around some of the campsites. Fancy thinking dingos can't dig.
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Now that guy mention it....
Maybe...
That's not the worst of it.... The Dingos nearly quadruple in size too
Then there's the Bunyips. They are big enough to eat the dingos whole.
And don't be fooled by the safety fenced around some of the campsites. Fancy thinking dingos can't dig.
killer koala's?
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killer koala's?
I can tell you have been there!
Their close relative the drop bear is also a regular sighting.
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(http://blkmav.com/images/dingo.jpg)
Yeah D4D's dingo mated with a Koala from outer space and now this new species are taking over the areas where the Brumbies used roam on Fraser.
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On the upside.with the plague of drop bears, Bunyips and giant dingos, the island is free if hoop snakes.
I heard the drop bears used them as tooth floss.
The place is dangerous.
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What about the snakes that grow to 50 feet long and can crush a troopy with a load of backpackers..
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What about the snakes that grow to 50 feet long and can crush a troopy with a load of backpackers..
I knew somebody that said they met someone who heard a rumour about that.
Also consider this...
Crocs have been spotted in Maryborough. Parks and Wildlife failed to catch it/ them.
(Google it... No BS..)
Crocs as a rule are north...
Umm about half of Fraser is north of Maryborough.
There is now a croc warning sign at the northern tip of Fraser... And on the park maps.
Maybe they have been eating dingos?
Just food for thought.
Add crocs to the list. And I haven't been mentioned the huge sharks I have seen caught off the beach.
Not a safe place at all...
Stay away.
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Dingos eat things ... If you wanna be a thing ..you may get eaten ...
This argument is really about the intelligence of mankind not the viciousness of dingoes.
Same same with any dangerous animal IMHO if you make stupid decisions in their environment ..don't complain when they pick you for dinner they have spent years working out the easy meal.
I for one would rather see an idiot eaten than a dingo shot.
Idiots come an go and we are in no shortage of them across the country, we even encourage extra ones to visit.
Jet ;D
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It's the ding bats that are the most dangerous up there
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Unfortunately, that aint gonna happen.......a lot easier to shoot a dingoe than a human.....
Dingoes ...nil
Humans.... :cup:
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Dingo Taxi
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What about the snakes that grow to 50 feet long and can crush a troopy with a load of backpackers..
That would just prove once and for all, there is a God.
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You may have also overlooked Bigfoot, I believe he's roaming around there too.. ;D ;D
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my guess is your just writing that as bait, but if not here goes...more fool your wife for being paranoid something might happen to the family and not just go there and take sensible precautions to try and be sure the family is safe (you can never rule anything out 100% from possibly happening), educate yourselves at how the majority of attacks have happened and you'll see a common theme appearing. Take sensible precautions whilst on the island and you'd likely have more chance of being involved in a car accident on your holiday then being "attacked" by dingos. Plenty of people enjoy going to Fraser Island (about 380 000 people a year last i read), so not sure what your point is with not being able to enjoy going to that National Park, it's just a choice your family seems to have made not to go there.
We have been taking our kids there and beach camping since they were both 6 months old, keep an eye on them and don't let them wander off alone (don't let young kids wander off together either, should have an adult present) and you shouldn't have a problem. For us and for many others the dingos are part of the attraction of Fraser Island, but we are smart enough to realise where we are and adapt to the conditions to make it as safe as we can for our family whilst there. Waking up in the morning and seeing fresh dingo foot prints in your camp is part of the Fraser attraction for us, and i'm sure many other people also.
Very well said.
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And because of that blokes actions, there's now three less dogs on the island.
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Why is it that everyone talks about the dangers on Fraser being the Dingo, but very few people comment on the 19 types of snakes on the island (especially death adder, taipan, red-bellied black snake & eastern brown snake)
Over the years fishing on the Island I’ve seen enough snakes either in the bushes around camp or snake tracks around camp first thing in the morning to concern me. For me the size of Fraser and the time it takes to get to medical help concerns me more than a Dingos do.
proximus blind snake
Sylvia’s blind snake
eastern small blotched python
carpet python Morelia
brown tree snake
common tree snake
keelback snake
common death adder
white-crowned snake
dwarf crowned snake
golden crowned snake
yellow-faced whip snake
black whip snake
black-bellied swamp snake
pale-headed snake
taipan
red-bellied black snake
eastern brown snake
eastern small-eyed snake
rough-scaled snake
eastern bandy-bandy
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Another reason that I like camping up there in winter time, Seen more than a few very healthy sized snakes up there over the years .
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You'll hear a blind snake long before ya see it though, with the tap tap tap of their white cane.
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You'll hear a blind snake long before ya see it though, with the tap tap tap of their white cane.
Hey JC looks like I won't walking the beaches at Chrissy, just have to sit on the top deck and have a few beers instead :D ;D
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The white pointers in Eli Creek can be fatal for a married man also....
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The white pointers in Eli Creek can be fatal for a married man also....
especially if you are seen by your wife alone with one ;D ;D
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Bat in hand to protect from dingoes. ;D
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No need! Just put out a few of these. Great little traps for when your asleep or leave camp. No-one pinching stuff either :D
I wouldn't use if others are around in a caravan park but when you alone out there, a great thing to have and use
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Hey JC looks like I won't walking the beaches at Chrissy, just have to sit on the top deck and have a few beers instead :D ;D
Don't you worry, we'll be swimming off Fraser ol mate.
You two make sure ya have ya swimmers with you.... no excuses.... getting wet.
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No need! Just put out a few of these. Great little traps for when your asleep or leave camp. No-one pinching stuff either :D
I wouldn't use if others are around in a caravan park but when you alone out there, a great thing to have and use
Why do you want to catch rabbits? In Vic they are only legal if used on your own property. ;D
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I see its the crocs turn now.
A bloke gets in the croc infested water to unsnag a fishing line and bugger me, one of 'em ate him. Must have been a bloody good lure he snagged.
So now, a croc gets shot because of a moron's bad decision.....hmmm, that seems fair.
I feel sorry for the blokes family, but lets face it, if ya went and had a picnic in the fast lane of a highway, its a given ya gunna get run over, isn't it?
And of course, all the other crocs will have learnt from this too.....
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So this confirms theres crocs on Fraser now Jeepers
EDIT: Delete above found the story, hadnt seen or heard the news due to work.
Bet this bloke here buys a lottery ticket, was on the news site that had the attack story .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_Yb3QosVS8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_Yb3QosVS8)
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No, further up north, you hillbilly.... :D
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Wedongetmuchontha technopichathingomadingy arounhere yanow.. ;D