Post by: Bird on July 17, 2014, 11:42:58 AM
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http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/-/331262321453?roken=qRuuqG#viTabs_0 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/-/331262321453?roken=qRuuqG#viTabs_0)
We are selling THE WRECK of our
2010 KK Jeep Cherokee Limited
*** Warning, it will look NOTHING like the
current pictures once I'm done
(except maybe the burnt-out picture)***
This lovely vehicle tows well (on the back of a tow truck) and has had lots of "timeout" thanks
to the amount of things that have gone wrong since the day we bought it.
It has the full Freedom pack, so it looks mean, but don’t dare take if off road, cause it will probably leave you stranded.
· This fine vehicle has very low klms – cause we don’t trust it
· Has never been off-road – cause we don’t trust it
· Has never seen sand – cause we don’t trust it
· Has had 20 defects, 5 of which have rendered it UNDRIVABLE
And recently won a “Golden Turd Award” from our friends and family
It has had 20 issues and still has 3 issues outstanding (perhaps I’m lucky?)
I’ve been trying to get this vehicle replaced since it experienced its 9th issue in 2011 (yes that’s over 1043 days ago)
fast forward to 2014 and it has now had 20 issues and has been towed 4 times and pushed once
I have tried to resolve this with the dealer and with Chrysler Australia directly but they both just pointed the finger at each other.
I even got the Office of Fair Trading to step in and mediate, but they got the same response and suggested I take legal action.
I took it to QCAT and tried to resolve this in mediation (I even offered to drop my claim by a whopping $10,000 for settlement on the day!), but Chrysler Australia knew that QCAT can only make rulings of up to $25,000 in Queensland, so they held their ground on a low-ball offer and the hearing was dismissed.
Anyway, back to the purpose of this ad, I am selling the wreck after I finish my "Destroy My Jeep" campaign (see www.destroymyjeep.com (http://www.destroymyjeep.com)) and with a starting bid of only $1 it could still be the WORST investment you ever made!
It will make a great talking piece in a rival car dealers' show room or maybe Chrysler Australia would like to buy it so they can "bury it" as they should have done 3 years ago when I brought this to their attention.
Please note: Your payment to me will be put into the Kickstarter platform where this is listed.
You will not get the wreck till AFTER the event on 4th October 2014
You will get a full refund and a slab of beer if for some reason the Kickstarter campaign is not successful and we don't proceed with the total destruction of my Jeep.
It's had the following issues, since purchased new in July 2010
1. Fuel line fell off in dealerships driveway outside the showroom (so we couldn't even take it home!)
Over next 14 months (from July 2010 to September 2011) it had 8 more defects. (two more tow trucks)
2. Rattling in drivers door
3. Loss of all climate controls (pretty important in QLD weather)
4. Clock in radio cannot keep the correct time
5. Bash plate falling off
6. Turbo Inlet manifold crack (tow truck required)
7. Intermittent rain sensor
8. Loose mirrors
9. Finally the coolant line broke off behind the dashboard, sending coolant all through the vehicle (tow truck required again)
On 2nd September 2011, while the car was getting the coolant line issue fixed, I called Chrysler Australia Melbourne and formally requested refund or replacement
For the next 3 years, I have been trying to get them to do the right thing, while still getting issues with my car.
It has since had:
10. Climate control failure (again)
11. Ignition failure, none of the keys would start the car, so we needed another tow truck (again)
12. Faulty Seatbelt tensioner
13. Another (smaller) coolant leak/smell inside vehicle
14. Intermittent Starter motor (starter motor replaced)
15. Intermittent stater motor again (with the new starter motor installed)
16. Mirrors loose again
17. Drivetrain control module error, causing the car to go into “limp mode” while driving in the middle of a storm (tow truck again)
18. Oil leaking from rear right strut
19. Windscreen wipers coming on when turning corners
20. Intermittent starter motor issue again
21. Clock in Radio can't keep the correct time
We’d be happy for you to view our turd-award-winning 4WD in Maroochydore Queensland before we destroy it, but please don’t ask us to start it, as sound of the intermittent starter motor cranking over for 60 seconds may make you want to vomit.
Please note: Your payment to me will go towards the Kickstarter platform where this is listed
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1407599953/destroy-my-jeep-round-2-ready-to-rumble (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1407599953/destroy-my-jeep-round-2-ready-to-rumble)
You will not get the wreck till AFTER the event on 4th October 2014
You will get a full refund and a slab of beer if for some reason the Kickstarter campaign is not successful and we don't proceed with the total destruction of my Jeep.
LOCAL PICKUP ONLY, UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO SEND IT TO CHRYSLER AUSTRALIA IN MELBOURNE (in which case I'll throw in the shipping for free!)
NO RETURNS - TRUST ME, I'VE TRIED!!!
Post by: Mallory Black on July 17, 2014, 12:01:05 PM
Post by: speewa158 on July 17, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
Post by: Bad Scott on July 17, 2014, 12:54:54 PM
Could any satisfied jeep owners please turn off the lights & feed the dogs before you are sent to the taxidermist . You will stuffed & stood in the corner ,,,,,,,,,there must be 1 out there somewhere ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, >:DWhere is he. Speewa
Post by: speewa158 on July 17, 2014, 12:58:04 PM
Post by: Steffo1 on July 17, 2014, 01:04:35 PM
Is this the same one??
Post by: Bird on July 17, 2014, 01:06:05 PM
Post by: Bird on July 17, 2014, 01:12:00 PM
Jeep Grand Cherokee models recalled over potential fire hazard.
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/fiat-chrysler-group-recalls-more-than-30000-vehicles-20140717-ztwn7.html (http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/fiat-chrysler-group-recalls-more-than-30000-vehicles-20140717-ztwn7.html)
Post by: loanrangie on July 17, 2014, 01:35:36 PM
Post by: Steffo1 on July 17, 2014, 01:43:34 PM
The questions at the bottom are pure GOLD....Sorry Bird, I didn't see the link at the bottom of the original.
Steve
Post by: scarps on July 17, 2014, 01:45:32 PM
Plus mine's in having a brand new transfer case fitted under warranty atm. Northern Motor Group have been great as always.
Was thinking about joining the 200 club, but I like to be different so investigating an FJ as an option.
Post by: Bad Scott on July 17, 2014, 01:53:32 PM
Sorry guys, busy with new job. Post count going backwards.Seen the light Scarps?
Plus mine's in having a brand new transfer case fitted under warranty atm. Northern Motor Group have been great as always.
Was thinking about joining the 200 club, but I like to be different so investigating an FJ as an option.
Post by: scarps on July 17, 2014, 01:57:01 PM
Seen the light Scarps?no I actually don't like Torota, but the FJ's the only one of interest. Swmbo doesn't like them so that's a problem. The only other option might be a defender, or rebuild an old GU.
Let the discussion begin:-)
p.s. Nothing better than a toyonissan discussion to distract from the real topic:-)
and SJ, your text came through while I was scoffing a low fat chilli prawn pizza
Post by: Bird on July 17, 2014, 01:57:08 PM
Quote from: loanrangie
Makes a Landrover owner feel all warm and fuzzy inside ;Dwhy do they catch fire too ???
Quote from: scarps
Swmbo doesn't like them so that's a problem.she has good taste then
GU with Duramax go very well indeed with the 6sp Alison auto in them... ask VinceGU05
Post by: xcvator on July 17, 2014, 03:08:30 PM
GU with Duramax go very well indeed with the 6sp Alison auto in them... ask VinceGU05
:) 1000 n-m @ 1600rpm :cheers: well just call me redneck ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Bird on July 17, 2014, 03:12:14 PM
:) 1000 n-m @ 1600rpm :cheers: well just call me redneck ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D300rwkw on tune, call me woody...
Post by: Jenko67 on July 17, 2014, 03:57:36 PM
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 17, 2014, 04:57:40 PM
Fancy blaming the nice folks at Jeep, I reckon its all in the way he treated the said Jeep.
Anyway, going up ya driveway, is off road.
going on a tilt tray, is off road.
See, he's a bloody big fibber, it has been off road and lots of it by the looks.
Post by: speewa158 on July 17, 2014, 05:51:40 PM
Post by: Bad Scott on July 17, 2014, 06:03:15 PM
I reckon he's expecting a bit much really.10 points. That's GOLD
Fancy blaming the nice folks at Jeep, I reckon its all in the way he treated the said Jeep.
Anyway, going up ya driveway, is off road.
going on a tilt tray, is off road.
See, he's a bloody big fibber, it has been off road and lots of it by the looks.
Post by: JohngQld447 on July 17, 2014, 07:45:22 PM
It's a good thing forums like this and the scourge of unsocial media wasn't around when the Toyota V8's came out and were using 4 or so litres of oil between oil changes and how Toyota burnt their customers back then. There is a guy who has one Toyota Landcruiser on a trailer towed by a second Landcruiser up here at Caboolture and has lemon signs plastered all over them. I believe the local dealership took court action against him so he couldn't park them outside their business, probably wasn't doing any good for sales. Ford, Holden, Mitsubishi, Nissan, you name it, all have had their fair share of Lemons and the owners will tell of similar stories of how they feel they were treated. Until there is a common 'Lemon Law' and what constitutes one, across the country, stories like this will continue.
John
Post by: speewa158 on July 17, 2014, 08:34:07 PM
Post by: Mace on July 17, 2014, 08:58:44 PM
From memory, I first read this 3 months ago.
Sounds like a customer from hell, notwithstanding the lack of lemon laws in this country.
Let's see if he ever actually trashes the thing.
Post by: Coiled on July 17, 2014, 09:07:11 PM
Post by: MrHorsepower on July 17, 2014, 09:39:21 PM
I just bought a LC200 Altitude today to replace an 18month old Jeep GC that has been sitting with Jeep for nearly 4 months and not fixed.
How does that work Coiled? Are JEEP refunding purchase price or what? We have the same model KK Cherokee as the complainant and couldnt be happier although it seems to be a bit hit and miss with JEEP and they dont seem to have a good name re coming to the party with fixes...Michael
Post by: Garfish on July 18, 2014, 06:26:46 AM
Sounds like a customer from hell, notwithstanding the lack of lemon laws in this country.
Let's see if he ever actually trashes the thing.
Qld has a lemon law, or a version of it, where to claim a refund you have to prove that a normal person if they had known of the defect would not of bought the item. It's not as strong as US laws but it also came into effect after this car , also Doreen apply at auctions or private sales.
I used to have a Nissan spent 8 weeks in dealers in 1st 11 months. It would just lose all power randomly, like crossing a road, going through a roundabout starting in garage..... I wanted to test the lemon laws but it was a work vehicle and they weren't keen, so I got out of the vehicle gave the keys to work and told them to keep it,,,,
Post by: Pipeliner on July 18, 2014, 10:12:37 AM
Declaration of interest: I've just bought my third new Jeep!
Post by: Bird on July 18, 2014, 11:06:02 AM
I just bought a LC200 Altitude today to replace an 18month old Jeep GC that has been sitting with Jeep for nearly 4 months and not fixed.Same dealer??
Their plan worked. They sold you one, got the profit, and then sold you another ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Pipeliner on July 18, 2014, 06:20:11 PM
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Post by: gordo350 on July 18, 2014, 08:22:07 PM
gordo350
Post by: Coiled on July 18, 2014, 08:42:10 PM
Same dealer??
Their plan worked. They sold you one, got the profit, and then sold you another ;D ;D ;D
Different dealers Bird! In fairness I don't think the issue is with the dealers as they seem to want to rectify but Chrysler are less than supportive. Only critical observation of the Jeep dealers, several tried to fix it (and probably systematic in the dealer service industry) is that they couldn't diagnose a flat tyre unless the on board diagnostics tell them.
Post by: nbd73 on July 18, 2014, 08:51:56 PM
I just bought a LC200 Altitude today to replace an 18month old Jeep GC that has been sitting with Jeep for nearly 4 months and not fixed.I made the same transition, though my GC was an 02 model.
Curious about your signature which says a 2013 patrol?
Post by: Coiled on July 18, 2014, 11:07:10 PM
I made the same transition, though my GC was an 02 model.
Curious about your signature which says a 2013 patrol?
Not silly enough to buy a Jeep! It was my inlaws who didnt know better and were swept into the hype of its fitout spec and being far better than previous models and designed by former Merc engineer etc.
Cruiser Vs Patrol is personal preference but you can count on both to have the best chance of getting you there and back with the ability to be fixed if something goes astray.
Post by: nbd73 on July 18, 2014, 11:12:47 PM
Not silly enough to buy a Jeep! It was my inlaws who didnt know better and were swept into the hype of its fitout spec and being far better than previous models and designed by former Merc engineer etc.Understood, I must have missed an earlier post that explained this.
Cruiser Vs Patrol is personal preference but you can count on both to have the best chance of getting you there and back with the ability to be fixed if something goes astray.
Alas I was silly enuff, and my story is every bit as bad, if not worse, than the subject of this thread.
Post by: time on September 29, 2014, 09:31:35 AM
Every time that ad for Jeep with the neighbours grass a mile high comes on the TV our response is "Yeah poor bastard is broken down somewhere"!
Post by: JCOJ on September 29, 2014, 03:06:53 PM
Every time that ad for Jeep with the neighbours grass a mile high comes on the TV our response is "Yeah poor bastard is broken down somewhere"!
That's what we say everytime too - because it is so true!! :cheers:
Post by: time on September 29, 2014, 03:19:36 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/49-000-Jeep-Cherokee-2010-NO-RESERVE-Destroy-My-Jeep-youre-buying-the-wreck-/331318634364?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item4d2421277c (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/49-000-Jeep-Cherokee-2010-NO-RESERVE-Destroy-My-Jeep-youre-buying-the-wreck-/331318634364?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item4d2421277c)
Post by: oldmate on September 29, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
Post by: Homer_Jay on September 29, 2014, 04:25:30 PM
The jeep might win the final round if they hit the fuel tank/start fire, and damage his $250k excavator in the process!
Good on him though for not selling the car on to some poor unsuspecting buyer :cheers:
Post by: scarps on September 29, 2014, 04:32:58 PM
That's what we say everytime too - because it is so true!! :cheers:seriously, I understand the Jeep thing.
13 years of Jeep ownership without any major hiccups or issues.
Which is why I've just bought a Navara:-)
I want to keep it this way.
It's a Narvara STX V6 TD 3.0L
Post by: JCOJ on September 29, 2014, 05:12:12 PM
seriously, I understand the Jeep thing.
13 years of Jeep ownership without any major hiccups or issues.
Which is why I've just bought a Navara:-)
I want to keep it this way.
It's a Narvara STX V6 TD 3.0L
Where did you get the sticker made up - I'd like one similar (but with Toyota!!)
Oh - I've had two Jeeps, I was stupid enough to give them a second chance but that was worse than the first one!! Never again!
Post by: scarps on September 29, 2014, 05:22:36 PM
Where did you get the sticker made up - I'd like one similar (but with Toyota!!)ebay
Oh - I've had two Jeeps, I was stupid enough to give them a second chance but that was worse than the first one!! Never again!
Post by: briann532 on September 29, 2014, 07:22:01 PM
I do like the look of them, BUT..............
Yes they had a nice finish, but nothing grabbed my attention.
It was just another car. a bit bigger than your standard car, but just another car.
There seemed to be no endearing feature or wow factor in any of it.
I may as well have been sitting in a commodore or a Kia or a "any other" brand.
Outside has a nice shape and looks good, but again its no jag. ( no jag price tag either though!!!)
I think I'll stick the the playdo for a while. It does everything we want, comfortably, efficiently and so far hassle free.
Although if I ever find that damn beeper that Bill Gates uses to tell me what is happening or not happening, i shove it so far up the salemans @$& that he'll be sneezing beeps for eternity.....
To me, jeeps are like a pretty girl. Nice to look at, but far too expensive to run and you just know its going to give you grief.
Brian
Post by: scarps on September 29, 2014, 07:32:54 PM
To me, jeeps are like a pretty girl. Nice to look at, but far too expensive to run and you just know its going to give you grief.potentially too true
Brian
Post by: Oldandslow on September 29, 2014, 09:21:23 PM
Geez, old mate isnt just a bit unhappy is he??
The jeep might win the final round if they hit the fuel tank/start fire, and damage his $250k excavator in the process!
Good on him though for not selling the car on to some poor unsuspecting buyer :cheers:
Yes, imagine buying a car and having the clock not keeping good time and a loose mirror, I would probably cut my wrists.
Post by: Jasman on September 29, 2014, 11:41:34 PM
I can't speak for the other models but the WK2 (this is current Grand Cherokee that Mercedes designed for them) is in my opinion the best value 4WD's on the Australian Market and considering it's the number one selling vehicle in it's class I guess the greater portion of the population agree. Yes they've had problems but as a percentage I don't think this would be highly out of the ordinary, the bulk of the issues that I've come across are more down to parts availability by a slack importer than major issues with the vehicles. I think the recall issues can probably be put down largely to being made in the litigious USA as my recalls have all been inspection only from memory and quite frankly I find the recalls somewhat comforting.
The main competitor to the WK2 is a Prado and I've spent plenty of time in both cars and unless I was spending the bulk of my time on the dirt I would buy the Jeep. The Prado greatly benefits from it's ladder chassis, dual tanks and tail gate mounted spare which make it a great Offroad tourer but like most people my car spends a whole lot of time on road and the two simply don't compare in this use case. I would suggest anyone that has lived with both car for a week and said the Prado is a better drivers car are victims of some kinda brain washing. The Jeep is tens years newer in design, has about 30% more kW and torque, 3 extra cogs, can tow a ton more and about 1000 extra bells and whistles.
Jeep owners have a habit of seeking out other Jeep owners so you talk to a lot of owners and in general they love there trucks. Go up and ask any WK2 owner sitting at a servo what they think of their vehicle and 95% of the time they tell you it's the best fourby they've owned and how much better it is then there previous drive or how much better it tows the van. Also, what I'm starting to see now that the WK2 is a few years old is that people are upgrading to new WK2's.
Now to put my money where my mouth is. I turn over my cars about every two years (work expense) and I have no brand loyalty, 2.5 years ago I bought a new WK2 and I did over 50k in it mostly on the road but I have used it on the beach plenty and have done my share of bush tracks and it has been the easiest car to live with I've owned - In terms of problems it did have an alternator fail. When it came time to update I once again weighed up the competition and last week I took delivery of a new WK2!!
Yes I love my Jeep but looking forward to see what next Prado looks like!
Post by: Bullant4x4 on September 30, 2014, 06:24:59 AM
I think we could get a charity to help these poor soles that have been ripped off.
4x4 is more that a dirt road with puddles on it. But then again I wouldn't go that extreme in a jeep.
;) :D
Post by: scarps on September 30, 2014, 06:56:20 AM
I have just sold mine after 2&1/2years and was somewhat sad to see it go. The resale value is fantastic btw.
Here's the reasons why I chose to not continue.
1-Jeep customer service at a national level. I was part of the infamous 'what, no front recovery points era'. Their attitude was appaling to anyone that's not a soccer mum. I continue to see and read of this attitude.
Having said that, the team at my local dealer - Northern Motor Group, were nothing but professional.
2-the availability of aftermarket products one would expect for even the grey nomad scene was too slow to support.
3 - I'm all about planning a lap of the map (and I'm not talking about Tasmania, too old for that now), and the horror service stories that I have read on the Ausjeepoffroad forum about service knowledge and availability outside of major cities, left me no confidence that I would not get stuck in uppacumbucka west for a month waiting for parts.
3 - at my 50k service, the transfer case oil was due to be changed, as the oil drained out, several teeth off the drive chain cogs dropped out of the drain hole. Under warranty an entire new transfer case was fitted.
4 - The DPF issue, while not prevalent and yes an issue in many new diesels, is about to become real for many city owners that don't give it a good long regular run. While it was never an issue for mine, once the trouble begins, resale value will plummet as is the history with many Jeeps.
Btw, one of my neighbours is a man by the name of Allan Gray who knows a little bit about this area.
So, yes agree, the WK2 and for me the KJ before that were both excellent 4wd's and both have gone to very happy owners, but my Jeep journey is over, and have done so while the memories are good.
Edit : there was one special moment where I had an infamous myswag'r ride in the front passenger seat that will go down in the anys of history, but He's sworn me to secrecy:-)
Post by: dazzler on September 30, 2014, 07:56:45 AM
I can't speak for the other models but the WK2 (this is current Grand Cherokee that Mercedes designed for them)
I always get a chuckle out of that. Mercedes designed. They also designed and supplied parts for ssangyong and others. How good are they!
Jeep are not that bad. They are like Land Rover. You need to be an enthusiast to love em is all.
I would have one. If that goddam POS Prado would stop being so, well, damned reliable.
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Post by: Jasman on September 30, 2014, 10:10:09 AM
Hi Jasman, history would show that I have been very pro Jeep for the last 13 years, and agree value for money, driveability, economy, and comfort, the WK2 is one of the best.
I have just sold mine after 2&1/2years and was somewhat sad to see it go. The resale value is fantastic btw.
Here's the reasons why I chose to not continue.
1-Jeep customer service at a national level. I was part of the infamous 'what, no front recovery points era'. Their attitude was appaling to anyone that's not a soccer mum. I continue to see and read of this attitude.
Having said that, the team at my local dealer - Northern Motor Group, were nothing but professional.
2-the availability of aftermarket products one would expect for even the grey nomad scene was too slow to support.
3 - I'm all about planning a lap of the map (and I'm not talking about Tasmania, too old for that now), and the horror service stories that I have read on the Ausjeepoffroad forum about service knowledge and availability outside of major cities, left me no confidence that I would not get stuck in uppacumbucka west for a month waiting for parts.
3 - at my 50k service, the transfer case oil was due to be changed, as the oil drained out, several teeth off the drive chain cogs dropped out of the drain hole. Under warranty an entire new transfer case was fitted.
4 - The DPF issue, while not prevalent and yes an issue in many new diesels, is about to become real for many city owners that don't give it a good long regular run. While it was never an issue for mine, once the trouble begins, resale value will plummet as is the history with many Jeeps.
Btw, one of my neighbours is a man by the name of Allan Gray who knows a little bit about this area.
Hey Scarps, I've followed your car over on Ausjeep and I was part of the recovery hook issue as well so I feel your pain. Glad to see you did well on the resale, I traded mine and whilst not Prado territory I did end up with a little positive equity in the deal, I think it would have done much better if it was a diesel and if I hadn't of over capitalised it by adding the QuadraLift but as long as I don't have negative equity I'm happy.
If I was doing long range touring I wouldn't own one either for fear of the lack of country support, these things seem to very complicated and need specialist training to work on them and I don't think Jeep has enough regional support to make them the right option for this use case also with the lack of parts you could be sitting in some dusty road house for a long time waiting.
In terms of DPF I think it's by product of modern diesels and the push to cut emissions, unfortunately I think it's now something that has to be lived with. It seems to me like most of the modern diesels that are being built for the next round of emission laws are suffering from this. I'd be interested in Allan's opinion on this if you want to ask him?
Here's hoping my transfer case keeps all it's teeth!!
I always get a chuckle out of that. Mercedes designed.
Yeah, it's a trick we use to play down the fact that we bought a Jeep, "nah, it's not a Jeep, Mercedes designed it, think of it more as an ML150 but half the price"
Post by: scarps on September 30, 2014, 10:38:11 AM
The basic premise is that modern diesels with a DPF filter must have a good long hot run regularly to burn out the carbon build up in the filter. If it clogs up some serious damage could be done to the engine, turbo etc. I'm not a mechanic so someone will be able to be more techie than me on this.
If you are a city dweller with a modern Diesel engine, the daily run to school, shops, work etc aren't considered effective or hot enough to burn it away and it's a case of 'Danger Will Robinson' if you own one.
As you said, this is not just a Jeep thing, this applies to a lot of modern Diesel engines. I have read a thread here on this lately.
It's a Narvara STX V6 TD 3.0L
Post by: MDS69 on September 30, 2014, 02:19:04 PM
Every time that ad for Jeep with the neighbours grass a mile high comes on the TV our response is "Yeah poor bastard is broken down somewhere"!
Funny thing is my wife says the same thing and knows little about the perceived Jeep image.
Post by: Pipeliner on September 30, 2014, 03:07:25 PM
I truly feel sorry for Jeep owners. They get lied and deceived to and they must be gullible to believe it.
I think we could get a charity to help these poor soles that have been ripped off.
4x4 is more that a dirt road with puddles on it. But then again I wouldn't go that extreme in a jeep.
;) :D
Bullant, have you ever driven a Jeep? They obviously must have done something to upset you, the way the vitriol is dripping off your words!
If they're that bad, why has Drive awarded the Grand Cherokee 4wd of the Year three years in a row?
Post by: Bullant4x4 on September 30, 2014, 03:34:35 PM
Bullant, have you ever driven a Jeep? They obviously must have done something to upset you, the way the vitriol is dripping off your words!
If they're that bad, why has Drive awarded the Grand Cherokee 4wd of the Year three years in a row?
Well if Drive has said it?, I take my words back. :)
My bother in law had one, cousin has two and know a Jeep accessories dealer.
I think more salt & pepper is needed :D
Post by: Homer_Jay on September 30, 2014, 03:42:42 PM
And I thought us Tojo drivers were bad! ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Bullant4x4 on September 30, 2014, 03:45:05 PM
These Jeep drivers are a touchy bunch.
You would be to!
Breaking down all the time, having to take a real 4x4 when you go off-road and getting ripped :D
Post by: Coiled on September 30, 2014, 05:52:30 PM
I even know of one large new car dealership chain that now refuses the trade of Jeeps after being burnt a few times on them.
Post by: Paul (SA) on September 30, 2014, 06:43:14 PM
Bullant, have you ever driven a Jeep? They obviously must have done something to upset you, the way the vitriol is dripping off your words!
If they're that bad, why has Drive awarded the Grand Cherokee 4wd of the Year three years in a row?
Not sure I agree with solely testing vehicles and comparing them when they are brand new as the be all and end all for 4WD.
Jeep might have won some awards there, but in the used market they are a proven dud.
Post by: Jasman on September 30, 2014, 08:27:09 PM
I truly feel sorry for Jeep owners. They get lied and deceived to and they must be gullible to believe it.
I think we could get a charity to help these poor soles that have been ripped off.
4x4 is more that a dirt road with puddles on it. But then again I wouldn't go that extreme in a jeep.
;) :D
Bullant, you said recently you drive a Patrol, it wasn't that long ago these things were labelled grenades.....and you think we need charity! :D
Ps. Impressive post count over the last few months!!
Post by: Jasman on September 30, 2014, 08:40:27 PM
Unfortunately Jeep are having more than 1 or 2 terminal duds in the current GC.
I even know of one large new car dealership chain that now refuses the trade of Jeeps after being burnt a few times on them.
Yeah they having a few duds but I think you'll find the ones that are off the road are mostly because of parts availability. When mine did an alternator they said it would take 3-4 weeks to get one, lucky for me my dealer ripped one off a new car in the showroom and got me on the road. The importer really needs to review how they manage parts.
I didn't experience any problems trading mine and I got prices from Jeep, Toyota, ford and Mazda. All were similar and both Ford and Jeep were going to keep it as a stock car rather than wholesaling. It sounds like Scarps did better than me. Because of the strong demand for new GC I think they should do ok, I had to wait 2months to get me new one.
Not sure I agree with solely testing vehicles and comparing them when they are brand new as the be all and end all for 4WD.
Jeep might have won some awards there, but in the used market they are a proven dud.
I agree, time will be the telling point, lucky mine will be traded before it runs out of warranty! Not sure I agree on the used market comment for the new models.
Post by: Bullant4x4 on September 30, 2014, 10:00:17 PM
Bullant, you said recently you drive a Patrol, it wasn't that long ago these things were labelled grenades.....and you think we need charity! :D
I only brought in 2013 so this wasn't an issue. I brought the beast as the family got into camping.
Ps. Impressive post count over the last few months!!
I can't explain this? I think of myself as an introvert, only really comment on important facts that relate to me and try not to baffle anyone with bull****. I'm a person that avoids stirring the pot, would never rock a boat and try and remain silent when drunk?
Come to think of it I have only had one person yell at me from the sixth floor for talking too loud on a job. So I would say I was softly spoken gentleman with good manners.
I do have a bit of spare time now I've gone part time with my business but home dad keeps me busy.
I'm sure they have been quality, not quantity posts? :) :D
Post by: dazzler on October 01, 2014, 07:33:57 AM
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Post by: slcs78 on October 01, 2014, 07:42:14 AM
Post by: dazzler on October 01, 2014, 07:59:12 AM
Maybe it's all in the approach.
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Post by: Oldandslow on October 01, 2014, 08:03:48 AM
Post by: Darcy7 on October 07, 2014, 07:49:39 AM
https://www.facebook.com/destroymyjeep (https://www.facebook.com/destroymyjeep)
Post by: scarps on October 07, 2014, 07:55:57 AM
He did it....!also made most of the national news services over the weekend. Must have been a slow news week.
https://www.facebook.com/destroymyjeep (https://www.facebook.com/destroymyjeep)
Post by: Bird on October 07, 2014, 08:04:11 AM
Post by: scarps on October 07, 2014, 08:09:03 AM
Cant blame the bloke can ya...mixed views, not disputing He got one of the bad ones, many people (both Jeep owners and not) think He's a d#ck. Many people don't care either way, it's a Jeep afterall:-)
underlying the whole hysteria was the real story and that is that Australia doesn't have 'Lemon Law'. Tough one.
Post by: dazzler on October 07, 2014, 08:49:12 AM
Under warranty the dealership has to repair the vehicle and you have to give them the opportunity to do so. If they refuse, or don't repair it properly, you can take them to QCAT and the court can decide.
This bloke acted unreasonably, saddled up the big horse and cost himself thousands.
Clown.
Post by: oldmate on October 07, 2014, 12:24:00 PM
The law is fine as it is.
Under warranty the dealership has to repair the vehicle and you have to give them the opportunity to do so. If they refuse, or don't repair it properly, you can take them to QCAT and the court can decide.
This bloke acted unreasonably, saddled up the big horse and cost himself thousands.
Clown.
He did and they couldn't.
Quote from facebook page.
Destroy My Jeep Hi Glen Drinkwater, I haven't heard from them since the emails that followed the QCAT hearing a few months ago, when the Fiat Chrysler Group Australia executive waved a printout of my Facebook posts around and tried to turn the mediation about my lemon vehicle into a discussion about my Facebook posts... Thankfully the adjudicator saw right through it and told them to stick to subject of my lemon vehicle.
Needless to say , we couldn't come to an agreement during mediation and the court couldn't make a ruling cause it was above their $25k limit
If only QCAT could make rulings above $25k... (We have a petition in place to change that!)
Post by: Darcy7 on October 07, 2014, 12:41:27 PM
I'm just very surprised that it got to this point. I honestly didn't think he would follow through with his threat and I also thought Jeep would have done everything they could to avoid this sort of negative publicity.
The only winner out of this is the charity that will receive the $20,000 raised...!
Extraordinary...
Post by: Jasman on October 07, 2014, 01:22:19 PM
The only winner out of this is the charity that will receive the $20,000 raised...!
I don't think he was raising money for charity, I think he was keeping the money in compensation.
Post by: oldmate on October 07, 2014, 02:37:09 PM
I don't think he was raising money for charity, I think he was keeping the money in compensation.
agreed, the only charity money i thought was raised was almost $300 which was from coffee and food on the DD. The $18g raised went to his bank manager along with $10g out of his pocket. He does seem like a bit of a clown like daz said but if what he has done helps someone else down the track than thats a good thing i guess.
Post by: scarps on October 07, 2014, 02:58:38 PM
One of the few concerns I had was the arrogance and lack of customer care by Jeep Aus when something has gone wrong. A point that is well documented in many online forums, social media and website data.
Post by: dazzler on October 07, 2014, 03:18:24 PM
He did and they couldn't.
Quote from facebook page.
Destroy My Jeep Hi Glen Drinkwater, I haven't heard from them since the emails that followed the QCAT hearing a few months ago, when the Fiat Chrysler Group Australia executive waved a printout of my Facebook posts around and tried to turn the mediation about my lemon vehicle into a discussion about my Facebook posts... Thankfully the adjudicator saw right through it and told them to stick to subject of my lemon vehicle.
Needless to say , we couldn't come to an agreement during mediation and the court couldn't make a ruling cause it was above their $25k limit
If only QCAT could make rulings above $25k... (We have a petition in place to change that!)
He wanted QCAT to determine that Jeep should pay him out for it. Under PAMDA they have to repair it. He went to QCAT for the wrong reason.
IF they wouldn't repair it then the consumer can pay to have it repaired and claim against the fund or not repair it and have QCAT order the repair.
Cars have problems. IMO the lemon thing is just BS. Some people are just very unlucky.
my 2c is all.
:D
Post by: oldmate on October 07, 2014, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: dazzler on October 07, 2014, 04:05:42 PM
There is a split of the QLD legislation but I dont think they addressed this at all. >:(
Post by: Oldandslow on October 07, 2014, 04:34:25 PM
Demanding a new car because the one you bought was not as good as you hoped is a spoiled brat approach. Nothing is perfect, if you don't like a new car you have bought sell it and move on.
Post by: nbd73 on October 09, 2014, 07:23:54 PM
It will be interesting to see the impact on the Jeep sales market (new and old) which I think may have been one of his objectives. Also feel He was pushed beyond a point of no return based on an unsympathetic parent company.This was one of my main concerns at the conclusion of my Jeep ownership experience. The vehicle was "too old" at 9 years to be considered for out of warranty repair. Im sorry Jeep Aus, but I would guess that a huge portion of the privately owned 4x4's in Aus are nearing or past this. A quick scan of myswag's "my 4wd" section tells all. Repeated failure if air conditioning parts (blend doors, servo motors, blah blah) that all require removal of dashboard and 2 days labour + parts, is not my idea of fair. 6 times in 6 years? Fair go, thats BS and head office didnt give 2 hoots. They even tried to accuse me of not servicing the vehicle, which even if were true would be completely irrelevant as the faulty parts were not serviceable items.
One of the few concerns I had was the arrogance and lack of customer care by Jeep Aus when something has gone wrong. A point that is well documented in many online forums, social media and website data.
Gave up in disgust and swore after selling the blasted lemon that I would never own another jeep.
And the proof was in the replacement: I could have leased a brand new top of the line GC with 10k of ARB added for what it cost for a 5 yr old toyota.
Case closed.
Ahhhhh, better now. :D
Post by: Homer_Jay on October 10, 2014, 06:30:00 AM
That's some seriously bad publicity for Jeep.