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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: firefox on June 12, 2014, 08:56:04 PM
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Hi everyone,
So I'd love some experience on this topic. Firstly I'm not a smoker. Not even close. We had an incident today which I've not come across in the past years whilst being permanently on the road.
We pulled in today to a site in a caravan park. Anyhow without knowing the site behind us are serious chain smokers. There was four of them, each person going through at least 3-4 cigs am hour. It was a constant smell coming from the site. Now I wasn't the only person to complain as there were 2 prior. It was out of control.
Anyhow spoke to manager whom said they needed advice prior to speaking with the smokers. We got back and it was smoke everywhere. You couldn't get away from it.
Anyhow I politely went and had a chat asking them to be mindful of other campers. As you can imagine that went down well. Told me where to go.. I went down dragged the managers out and told them to do with it. Which they did , though they weren't to happy about dealing with. Once they got a speaking to from the manager the problem instantly disappeared. Even had two guys come past and say thanks for speaking up.
Now my question is. Was this acceptable? I am always very careful of not annoying others around me. Do other smokers watch out? Have you encounter this before and what have you done.
I am fully aware of the qld laws which effectively make what they did illegal today. But.. What would u do. We couldn't sit outside with it the way it was. I would have had to sit inside windows closed and aircon on recirc.
Thoughts?
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Good on you but I'd be watching my gear and tanks etc. for reprisals.
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They are retired old people. No offence but the managers whee concerned about that. If I got up and found an issue would simple call the police. It's recorded they were spoken to. Good luck if they do something dumb.
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Whether its smoking, drinking, noise you respect who is around you. Unfortunately some people are not like that. To them it's their right to do these things.
Mark
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Well done. You were perfectly in the right to ask them to stop and escalate when told where to go.
I know there will be those who will say "Yes but they are a legal drug and they were smoking in a legal location." However if they were materially affecting you, potentially your health and certainly your enjoyment of the outside you were totally within your rights.
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What Qld law were they breaking by smoking?
Misses and I are both smokers and do our best to be considerate of others.
We also never ever throw our butts on the ground.
Bill
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I smoke but you no one would ever be interrupted or disturbed by it I hope. I usually walk away somewhere quiet to have a smoke.
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Hi mark,
Yep I agree its exactly what i do and feel. i always make sure not anonying anyone, even make sure the kids are not noisy etc.
bill i looked up the new smoking laws in qld today and found out that if you smoke in any place and it affects another party you as the smoker are required to address the problem. the particular examples used for example relate to someone smoking on their balcony of a house. if you neighbour complains above you they are completely within their right and as a smoker you had to do something. this was confirmed as i am travelling with my parents that own a number of high rise buildings about 6 months ago this was an issue that was brought up and as owners of the building they had to ensure peoples rights etc.
ive had lots of smokers around me, and i can tollerate it but not something when you can breathe and really its just smoke you are getting.
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I think you absolutely did the right thing.
I was at the opening criterium of this years Tour Down Under and there was a lady chain smoking. She'd finish one then get straight onto the next one. I went up to her and politely asked her to stop as it was being blown down a few metres to where my boys were.
She basically told me to get stuffed until I got a bit narky and told her she was being inconsiderate and if she wanted to kill herself then at least she could do it where she wasn't going to take my boys with her. It was a packed crowd and I got a big round of applause and put her in her place right away. No more cigarette smoke that night!
I can't stand the smell of it and have no qualms about telling smokers to stop being inconsiderate.
Good on you!!
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i totally agree jcoj, i told them didnt want to kill my kids.
i have no problems with someone wanting a smoke and they want to kill themselves, but please just be nice and accept other people dont want it.
one of the guys was a joke, started asking me if i never had a smoke then how would i know what cig smoke was.. even asked me the type, then he said it was methnol and not harmful to anyone. told him id prefer to breathe diesel fumes then all those smokes.
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Good on you, I smoke and even I would be annoyed with that. If someone tells me its annoying them I'll get up off my arse and move to where it won't. Its my choice to inhale this crap, not Thiers.
Same as I don't smoke near the kids, I don't want them to have problems from my poor decisions.
Cheers
Evo
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Good on you for addressing it, pity they couldn't have been more considerate and mature with their response.
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What's actually worse is they let these people breed...
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Yep everyone has right to smoke, and everyone has a right to not be effected by second hand smoke. Good on you Firefox for standing up.
The saddest thing it seems these days is we need to start referring to uncommon courtesy.
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Hi,
I read some where in response to a 'Stop polluting my air with your smoke..."
" Yes you are entitled to your pleasure.
My pleasure is beer, but I don't stand up and pee all over your campsite, do I?"
cheers
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Absolutely you did the right thing. There was always the possibility that they were oblivious to the issue(unlikely) but when somebody approaches you and raises the issue, there is no need for that sort of behaviour. Unfortunately for them or maybe me if I was in your position it would have got ugly so well done for holding your nerve. Too many tiprats around.
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I like to think of myself as a considerate smoker.
I smoke a lot less camping than I do at home, and always move away from others and try to stay downwind if I can.
I enjoy a smoke with a beer, or with my coffee in the morning, but I don't want to inflict it on others.
I can't stand the smell of it and have no qualms about telling smokers to stop being inconsiderate.
Maybe I should quit before the red Centre trip eh John ;D ;D
:cheers:
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They are retired old people. No offence but the managers whee concerned about that. If I got up and found an issue would simple call the police. It's recorded they were spoken to. Good luck if they do something dumb.
jeez I hope they don't do anything to damage the Rangie........
p.s. You were well within your rights to ask
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I mow outside some shops for a client.
Always, and I mean ALWAYS, there are butts everywhere. "Most smokers" I've seen would be the grubbiest cretins on the earth.
NOTE: If you dispose of your butts correctly, disregard the above statement.
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What Qld law were they breaking by smoking?
I think it's a bit like urinating.
It's perfectly legal in the right place..................but not socially acceptable to piss all over the bloke next to you ?
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Good Work mate..
I have had a simular battle at a footy game once which ended in the guy being escorted out of the grounds by a cheering crowd..
I have had many battles at work sites with smokers over the years a lot of them think its okay to just stop work whenever they want and have a dart which as a manager annoyed the crap out of me, it got to the stage at one place that all the non smokers would also stop work and have a "fresh air break" at the same time the smokers where having their smoke breaks it was a very testing time.. I had to provide a sheltered area for the smokers to congregate and waste company time at a cost of 2k and was not allowed to put in a $200 table tennis table in the crib room for the non smokers to have a bit of fun in their "designated" lunch break.
Again I don't have an issue with smokers a couple of my mates are smokers, but some of them think smoking means you can just stop work whenever you want and everyone else should just suck it up..
Again this is not a picture painted on ALL smokers just a few..
Maybe I should have put this in the daily rant section!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Smokers are a small minority these days, and should be more concerned about where they smoke. You did the right thing
Aaron
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Perhaps this thread could be added to the invention thread from a few days ago, and someone could design a wide brim hat fitted with a solar/battery driven extractor fan to pump the smoke through a filter in the crown. A stronger motor could be an optional extra to act like a temporary face lift to get rid of all the wrinkles the smokers develop as they age.
This S.H.F (Smokers Headwear Filter) could simply be like a lightweight rangehood worn on the head a bit like a modified Cone of Silence Maxwell Smart used, but smaller and lighter, and hopefully working more often.
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The part that annoys me is when people smoke in or just have before they go into the toilets. Disgusting.
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Perhaps this thread could be added to the invention thread from a few days ago, and someone could design a wide brim hat fitted with a solar/battery driven extractor fan to pump the smoke through a filter in the crown. A stronger motor could be an optional extra to act like a temporary face lift to get rid of all the wrinkles the smokers develop as they age.
This S.H.F (Smokers Headwear Filter) could simply be like a lightweight rangehood worn on the head a bit like a modified Cone of Silence Maxwell Smart used, but smaller and lighter, and hopefully working more often.
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Hi,
I like!
(http://www.myswag.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=37864.0;attach=91279;image)
But there is not much room inside there for a lit cigarette.
cheers
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I have had many battles at work sites with smokers over the years a lot of them think its okay to just stop work whenever they want and have a dart which as a manager annoyed the crap out of me,
As a smoker I just love this. Where I work recently changed the rules so you could no longer smoke anywhere on the lease which means going to my car, driving 5km up the road, having my smoke then driving back. Prior to that I just had to leave the secure area of site and go out to the carpark.
They then complained because I was using 3 hrs out of my 5hrs of breaks a week having a smoke (like it is any of their business what I do with my break time). I only went at break time (10:30, 12:00 & 2:30) yet was told I should cut it down to 1 trip a day.
This is despite the fact that I start work 1 to 1.5hrs early and most days finish work 2hrs after knockoff time. My manager who chipped me about the length of time I spend smoking gets in 2 mins before the start of the day and is usually gone within 5 mins of knock off time.
Why is it that because I smoke it is OK to chip me about what I do in my break times just because I smoke? If I wasted my break times sitting their playing games on my mobile phone they wouldn't say anything.
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As a smoker I just love this. Where I work recently changed the rules so you could no longer smoke anywhere on the lease which means going to my car, driving 5km up the road, having my smoke then driving back. Prior to that I just had to leave the secure area of site and go out to the carpark.
They then complained because I was using 3 hrs out of my 5hrs of breaks a week having a smoke (like it is any of their business what I do with my break time). I only went at break time (10:30, 12:00 & 2:30) yet was told I should cut it down to 1 trip a day.
This is despite the fact that I start work 1 to 1.5hrs early and most days finish work 2hrs after knockoff time. My manager who chipped me about the length of time I spend smoking gets in 2 mins before the start of the day and is usually gone within 5 mins of knock off time.
Why is it that because I smoke it is OK to chip me about what I do in my break times just because I smoke? If I wasted my break times sitting their playing games on my mobile phone they wouldn't say anything.
From a safety perspective it is rules like this i hate they had something like this at my last workplace and i abolished it because there is a far higher risk of you or someone else getting hit by a car than dying from second hand smoke
I have no problem with the majority of smokers most at our work have 1 at 8 when they come into the office 1 at 12 during their break and may be one in the arvo. I have a problem with the minority that need 1 at 8,9,10,11,12,2 and 4 if you need a smoke an hour a hard look is required
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Is smoking legal or not? I was a smoker until two years ago. You used to go to the pub Friday nights after work , have a few beers and some cigs. New rules come in , you can only smoke in one section of the pub. Another new rule , you can only smoke outside. Summer comes and non smokers decide they want to drink outside in the sunshine. Smokers were banned from smoking on the property. Where were the non smokers during winter when the smokers had to be outside ? Non smokers say " but we want to breathe in clean air , not your rotten smoke " as they drive around in their smoke belching Diesel bus. It seems smokers are getting less and less rights just because they use a LEGAL product that some people object to. Illegal drug users can get free needles for shooting up , but the smoker can't get a discount on products to help them give up . The Goverment won't make smoking illegal because they make too much money from smokers (tax). Yes , smokers do cost the health services xx million dollars a year , but they pay $xxx million in tax. Even with all the nanny state rules now , the number of people smoking is increasing , especially young females. With all the rules on smokers now let's just make it illegal . You couldn't find a quiet spot down at the river fishing and have a smoke now incase a non smoker decided to fish near you. It will be you that is breaking the law. Either make smoking illegal or back off a bit from people that do smoke "responsibly ". ie not smoking near kids , don't have your smoke blowing in other peoples faces , dispose of buts properly , I used to carry a tin similar to a tic tac box for the butts. Remember , all this is from a non smoker. :police:
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Many years ago as an apprentice I smoked, obviously peer pressure worked then as well, but I only kept it up long enough to work out that what I could save from not smoking added to the money I could make by buying a pack of 20 for 32 cents and selling them individually for 10 cents each, would pay for my first car. (yep, it was that long ago)
Being in the Army at the time we would have assemblies in large buildings. The first words from the idiots in charge were always "Light'em if you've got'em" and within 5 minutes the air was so thick with used smoke that visibility was cut down as far as the oxygen levels.
I feel for smokers, yes it's legal, and it's pretty obvious it's all about the Taxation so not much will change in the short to medium term.
A segment on ABC radio a few days ago had a report that smoking had recently increased slightly for the first time over the past 4 years, and that was only after the introduction of plain paper packaging. Go figure, a Government incentive like that not working.
The only problem I have with the whole smoking drama is that smokers cannot prevent the smoke from escaping the smokers area.
Drug users may discard their needles, but they don't generally spray their drugs all over the place annoying non drug users. Although a proper needle exchange program where they trade in the old needles on a one for one basis would stop needle abuse.
Perhaps a cigarette butt exchange could also be adopted. Anyone buying a new pack of durries should have to trade in the equal number of butts to complete the purchase. That would go a long way towards cleaning up the rubbish especially if there was a 5 cent deposit on each butt.
Any how, until they ban cigarettes or until a way is available for a smoker to prevent the smoke from entering anyone else's environment without being treated, I have no problem with severe restrictions, whether they be in buildings, cars, streets, football grounds, caravan parks or anywhere not in a clear smoke dispersing area so no one else is affected.
As I said smokers, I feel for you and respect your right to die of self inflicted cancer, but not as much as I respect my right to breathe non polluted air.
Cheers
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Even with all the nanny state rules now , the number of people smoking is increasing , especially young females.
the facts dispute this mate -
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4125.0main+features3320Jan%202013 (http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4125.0main+features3320Jan%202013)
I used to smoke a lot - but have been off it for over 8yrs and very happy.
junkies get free needles because diabetics get free needles and if it was prescription only it would lead to sharing, which leads to epidemics of incurable diseases. its a public health issue and govt's have erred on the side of caution because its better to give the needles and encourage safe practices than refuse and know that people will freely spread diseases.
your comment of not smoking around kids is admirable - but if you recognise its damaging to human health (your own and others), then why are adults less important than kids when it comes to sucking in your second hand smoke? should I be allowed to enjoy my every day activities without breathing in proven dangerous chemicals from your decision to smoke?
and on the diesel/fuel fumes - yes that's a problem for all of us, which sadly is impossible to remove from our society - possibly forever. but if we uphold that argument, then the smelters or heavy polluting industries could argue why do they need to filter or stop belching carcinogenic chemicals into the atmosphere? after all, you people drive cars and smoke cigarettes so why should I remove my dangerous smoke from the atmosphere???...
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Hi,
I read some where in response to a 'Stop polluting my air with your smoke..."
" Yes you are entitled to your pleasure.
My pleasure is beer, but I don't stand up and pee all over your campsite, do I?"
cheers
I smoke, and quite frankly the smell of beer is down right disgusting.
So, don't drink that cat's pi$$ anywhere near me........... ;D :angel:
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The part that annoys me is when people smoke in or just have before they go into the toilets. Disgusting.
I've been known to throw water into cubicles where bastards have lit up. I'm a rabid anti-smoker, killed my father when he was forty and I can't stand the smell, and probably would have done similar to Firefox. To all the considerate smokers who don't leave their butts everywhere, thank you. It's legal but the act of enjoyment can cause others to be affected. It's also stupid but you already know that :angel:
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I smoke here in SA and it is becoming a pain in the arse to smoke .We are by law not allowed to smoke in any area populated with humans even motor vehicles. This sh!! PISSES me off .Yet alcohol consumption is so prolific and people gambling their paychecks away . They impose laws on me but i dont destroy whole family structure . If you are a non smoker and give me sh!! . ( have to obey above laws) .f!#/ ..f .
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Mok01 if you read my post I am a non smoker. In the last four years according to ABC radio the consumption of smokes has risen since plain packaging has been used. Illegal drugs users don't pay tax on their drugs. They also cause harm to the public. If you don't believe me , just ask my 3 year old niece who had to wait three months to see if she had AIDS , HIV. Or any of the hepatitis types. Maybe the taxes off the illegal drugs can be used to keep sandpits , playgrounds clean. Then the kids will be safe from needle sticks.
Mik01 that link you put up is a Goverment site. You want me to believe that? ::) ::)
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Misses and I are both smokers and do our best to be considerate of others.
well obviously these were not being considerate as the cancer toxins were being inhaled by our poster.
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i just spent 2 hours working at a clients house, small duplex unit, the whole time i was there she was chain smoking. I can still smell it, i left there 1hr ago.
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Mok01 if you read my post I am a non smoker. In the last four years according to ABC radio the consumption of smokes has risen since plain packaging has been used. Illegal drugs users don't pay tax on their drugs. They also cause harm to the public. If you don't believe me , just ask my 3 year old niece who had to wait three months to see if she had AIDS , HIV. Or any of the hepatitis types. Maybe the taxes off the illegal drugs can be used to keep sandpits , playgrounds clean. Then the kids will be safe from needle sticks.
Mik01 that link you put up is a Goverment site. You want me to believe that? ::) ::)
cigarette smokers have nothing really to do with intravenous drug users, but you made the link so I went with it.
sorry to hear about your niece by the way.
yes, the site I put up is a government site. it is the most reliable source of smoking related statistics, given that it is the government that collects the taxes and accounts for every packet sold.
given there is 10 years of evidence of smoking decline across both sexes and all age groups, it may be a statistical blip that it has increased in the last 4 years - I really fail to see how plain packaging has actually caused an increase in smoking - so I just googled it and look what I found...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-06/anti-smoking-advocate-rejects-cigarette-sales-increase-report/5505210 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-06/anti-smoking-advocate-rejects-cigarette-sales-increase-report/5505210)
so the abc story about increased sales came from... wait for it... the convenience association which relies heavily on sales of... wait for it.... cigarettes! gasp! could it be??
its wrong.
and yes, I believe the government ABS statistics site with 10 years of statistical data over 'leaked' reports from corporations with vested interests.
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cigarette smokers have nothing really to do with intravenous drug users, but you made the link so I went with it. Quote Mic01
The only reason I bought up intravenous drug users is because the Goverment is doing all they can to stamp out one drug , the legal one. On the other hand they supply needles and safe houses for other drug users , the illegal ones. Why are smokers being picked on when they are using a legal substance. I agree some could use a lesson in manners. Like I have said before , if the Goverment is serious ,let's make smoking in Aus. Illegal. :cheers:
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I'm a smoker and get hassled smoking electronic smokes? It's harmless, odorless, I get my nicotine hit and tastes ok. Is it the smoke or look???
I can buy the equivalent of 44 cartons of smokes for $20. So why is the government banning them. They are banning them as they can't tax it!
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Like the old smoke advertising. You could not do it today.
Mark
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I am not a smoker, but understand it is a right that people can choose.
Reference has been made to gambling and drugs and alcohol and are valid points too.
I would ask though if people realise that the issue itself is not the problem for others, but the effect it has on others is?
People can consume alcohol without it being a problem. For some people it is.
If you have alcohol and get violent, then it affects others.
In the same way if your smoking is affecting others it is not right.
Drugs, the same.
My opinion only, but I think the problem is how your habit, pleasure or addiction affects others as well as yourself.
I drink socially only, other than a glass of red here or there cooking the bbq sometimes.
Does it have a negative impact on my life or hurt anyone else. No
My neighbour is a smoker. He smokes away from us, in his own garage and is considerate of others.
Does his habit harm others? No.
He is considerate.
I think consideration is the problem.
If people weren't so ignorant or selfish perhaps life would be a lot more pleasant.
Rant rant rant etc etc etc.
Brian
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Perhaps a cigarette butt exchange could also be adopted. Anyone buying a new pack of durries should have to trade in the equal number of butts to complete the purchase. That would go a long way towards cleaning up the rubbish especially if there was a 5 cent deposit on each butt.
:cup: now add in McDonalds packaging and hopefully that will stop all the grubs that chuck that crap out the window as they drive down the road from the local store.
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Briann532
Hit the nail on the head :cup:.
I have never smoked ;D, and for many years had to suffer others smoke >:( at work and still have blokes how light up and them walk up to you breathing there smoke over you and if I wanted to socialize at clubs and pubs etc, a few years back I had neighbors that chained smoked outside their house and it drifted into our home forcing us to close our windows, I eventually had a uncomfortable chat with them and they changed their smoking spot and solved the problem,We have also been out with family at a local club and commented on how nice it was to dine smoke free and as we left a smoker in front of us lit up as he walked out the door and joined other smokers and we walked through a curtain of cigarette smoke that lingered until we got home had showers and threw our smokey clothes in the laundry.
Grizzly :cheers:
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Cant wait for the day I can go to a restaurant and be able to eat or drink while sitting outside on a sunny day. Without having to put up with cigarette smoke.
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My work place is smoke free...you'd get hung, drawn & quartered having a smoke inside nowadays...but we're still expected to go into houses full of chain smokers where we may be for x hrs whilst they're still smoking.....and some smoke ain't just from cigarettes >:D
Tim
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I like to think I'm a considerate smoker. I wish pubs and restaurants banned inside smoking 10 years earlier.
As a kid I used to sit next to my father in the car while he was smoking but wouldn't ever consider doing it with my kids.(despite the fact it is now illegal)
About the only time I don't move away from people is sitting around a camp fire. The reason I figured this is if your sitting around a fire breathing in the wood smoke whats a bit extra going to hurt.
Firefox I think you did the right thing. I personally would be embarrasssed if someone had to ask me to move away because my smoke was annoying them.
The fact that they are a retired old couple should have been your first clue as to their expected response unfortunately.
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:cup: now add in McDonalds packaging and hopefully that will stop all the grubs that chuck that crap out the window as they drive down the road from the local store.
Absolutly, 200km away from he store. It really sucks when you are in the middle of nowhere, and see a maccas bag in the middle of the bush >:(
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Hi everyone,
So I'd love some experience on this topic. Firstly I'm not a smoker. Not even close. We had an incident today which I've not come across in the past years whilst being permanently on the road.
We pulled in today to a site in a caravan park. Anyhow without knowing the site behind us are serious chain smokers. There was four of them, each person going through at least 3-4 cigs am hour. It was a constant smell coming from the site. Now I wasn't the only person to complain as there were 2 prior. It was out of control.
Anyhow spoke to manager whom said they needed advice prior to speaking with the smokers. We got back and it was smoke everywhere. You couldn't get away from it.
Anyhow I politely went and had a chat asking them to be mindful of other campers. As you can imagine that went down well. Told me where to go.. I went down dragged the managers out and told them to do with it. Which they did , though they weren't to happy about dealing with. Once they got a speaking to from the manager the problem instantly disappeared. Even had two guys come past and say thanks for speaking up.
Now my question is. Was this acceptable? I am always very careful of not annoying others around me. Do other smokers watch out? Have you encounter this before and what have you done.
I am fully aware of the qld laws which effectively make what they did illegal today. But.. What would u do. We couldn't sit outside with it the way it was. I would have had to sit inside windows closed and aircon on recirc.
Thoughts?
Well done mate, nothing worse. Would they just sit there and take it if you sprayed toxic chemicals their way? I think not....
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my parting comment (after they told me to go jump was)..
Hey i wonder if you would prefer me just running my diesel engine with the smoke pouring this way. I think i would prefer to breathe diesel smoke instead of yours.!
Not that i would do it.. But i think it would have been better.
Sounds like people have experienced it like me.. I'm glad i spoke up, as it was a nice night and the family and my parents were able to sit outside enjoy a glass of wine and a roast pork dinner.. Otherwise there would have been no way i could do that..
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I used to smoke, always respected others and moved away when I would light up. However, if they came and joined me to have a chat, that was their decision and I did whatever I wanted. Whether they were down wind of me or near me, I made the move away first for their health and consideration.
Good on you firefox for speaking up! My SWMBO still smokes and respects others at camping sights. She does go for a walk to get away from the kids. At night though when it is me and her, I don't mind it, but I have never been tempted to start again.