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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: wilson79 on April 27, 2014, 07:42:28 PM
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For all the Townsvillians got sent this by a mate today, it was posted on Facebook..
If its true they should have used him for Crab pot bait!!!!!
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some well placed barbed wire in the rope of a crab pot usually speaks volumes. 8)
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some well placed barbed wire in the rope of a crab pot usually speaks volumes. 8)
Or nicely placed hooks works as well.. >:D
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Raiding other peoples crab pots is a low act, no doubt about it, but I hope the person who has defamed the bloke in the boat and his business can back his claims according to law. Just be careful how you guys add to this thread, hate to see anyone open to litigation.
But like I said anyone who does it is a low life. >:( Kevin
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That's why we should carry guns on our boats. Total low act. Hopefully the law gets involved.
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Surprised he got away with a straight nose. >:(
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You better tell your mate to go down and see if he can get a really really great deal on a new camper tell him to take the photo evidence with him ;)
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That's why we should carry guns on our boats. Total low act. Hopefully the law gets involved.
Really?? what would you do if you came upon someone pulling you pots and you had a gun in your boat? If your answer is shoot him or threaten him with it then go hand your licence and firearms in now. Us gun owners have a hard enough time in this country without these type of comments and attitudes on a public forum. I know you will find that the crab thief would not be getting fined or charged but you would be in a fair bit of strife.
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Really?? what would you do if you came upon someone pulling you pots and you had a gun in your boat? If your answer is shoot him or threaten him with it then go hand your licence and firearms in now. Us gun owners have a hard enough time in this country without these type of comments and attitudes on a public forum. I know you will find that the crab thief would not be getting fined or charged but you would be in a fair bit of strife.
But a dead man tells no lies :o :o
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But a dead man tells no lies :o :o
and no one hears you scream in a crab pot either ;D
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I hear you and I've been very p#&#ed when I've gone to check my pots and found that they have been moved or even missing and I'm not advocating this nob stealing from other peoples pots but to imply that a firearm would be handy in a situation like that I believe is reckless and dangerous.
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I hear you and I've been very p#&#ed when I've gone to check my pots and found that they have been moved or even missing and I'm not advocating this nob stealing from other peoples pots but to imply that a firearm would be handy in a situation like that I believe is reckless and dangerous.
I think he was applying that he would go spotlighting for crab rather than using his pots! ;D
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I think he was applying that he would go spotlighting for crab rather than using his pots! ;D
maybe he has very big crabs ;D ;D
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My mate in Mackay was telling me they just cut the pots open when they raid them up there so te pots are also useless then
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Really?? what would you do if you came upon someone pulling you pots and you had a gun in your boat? If your answer is shoot him or threaten him with it then go hand your licence and firearms in now. Us gun owners have a hard enough time in this country without these type of comments and attitudes on a public forum. I know you will find that the crab thief would not be getting fined or charged but you would be in a fair bit of strife.
settle down mate. Sadly it was said in jest.
on another note the thought police would be please to see there efforts sinking through, getting any thoughts on gun ownership other than the sanitised ones stifled.
tell me its OT but if we firearms owners aren't allowed firearms for personal and property protection why do the politician and wealthy people have armed guards and why do banks and others get guns to protect there property?
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My mate in Mackay was telling me they just cut the pots open when they raid them up there so te pots are also useless then
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You are correct my In laws live in Mackay and have a beach side property with a couple of healthy crabbing creeks nearby.. We often go there fishing and crabbing and while we use the steel mesh pots others using the collapsible pots are often complaining that someone has just knifed the pot to retrieve the crabs..It has even got that serious down there that people have installed remote hunting cameras in the mangroves to catch people raiding their pots and on a couple of occasions taken the footage to police who have charged the offenders identifying them from the rego on the boat..
The other sad thing is it is starting to happen here in Townsville as well..
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There is a response from the alleged pot raider but I can't get it to load from my phone.
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This was his response.
What's that? Nothing?
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There is a response from the alleged pot raider but I can't get it to load from my phone.
I am not on stalk book can you give us a idea of what his response was?
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tell me its OT but if we firearms owners aren't allowed firearms for personal and property protection why do the politician and wealthy people have armed guards and why do banks and others get guns to protect there property?
OP, its off topic but the question has been asked.
There's no provision in the firearms acts around the country for the use of firearms for the protection of personal property. Police, police-like agencies and security companies have specific provisions in acts of parliament that allow for the carriage and use of firearms and other personal defensive equipment for the protection of human life only.
What that means is that if someone steals the money without threatening life there is no justification for the use of a firearm. If someone steals the money and in doing so threatens the life of the guard or any other person, and that threat is imminent, they can use a firearm in defence of themselves or the other person until the threat stops.
On the topic of share farming crab pots, its a low act, and its also illegal (unlawfully interfere with a lawful fishing operation), so its worth passing on to the Police or local Fisheries. No doubt if numbnuts has done it to these pots he's done it to loads of others without being caught.
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Dodgy as - his unlucky day
Aaron
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maybe he was putting crabs in the pot. Like Robin Hood maybe?
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OP, its off topic but the question has been asked.
There's no provision in the firearms acts around the country for the use of firearms for the protection of personal property. Police, police-like agencies and security companies have specific provisions in acts of parliament that allow for the carriage and use of firearms and other personal defensive equipment for the protection of human life only.
What that means is that if someone steals the money without threatening life there is no justification for the use of a firearm. If someone steals the money and in doing so threatens the life of the guard or any other person, and that threat is imminent, they can use a firearm in defence of themselves or the other person until the threat stops.
On the topic of share farming crab pots, its a low act, and its also illegal (unlawfully interfere with a lawful fishing operation), so its worth passing on to the Police or local Fisheries. No doubt if numbnuts has done it to these pots he's done it to loads of others without being caught.
Heres an interesting one for ya.
Just before the Olympics we run some counter terrorism training for bodyguards that looked after OS dignatories. So the scenario goes you are visiting a building, there are four body guards and a VIP. They get ambushed by 'terrorists' using simunitions (plastic projectiles in glock 19's - they hurt like hell) and the VIP gets rushed out of the room by two of the guards.
One guard gets shot and is down injured and the other engages with the two terrorists who then surrender and lay on the ground. The guard stands over them and then....
Shots are heard outside and the the two guards scream contact and help. The guard on his own hears this and has to decide what to do. He is yet to cuff the terrorists or search them.
So he shoots them both in the back to 'disable' them and runs off to help his mates.
He gets outside and its all over with the other terrorists down and the scenario ends. One of the two terrorists he shot in the back comes running out and a full on punch up ensures over him getting shot in the back point blank with an egg sized lump near his spine - that was funny.
Anyways. Justified or not to shoot them?
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My dad has his pots pinched quite often in Bundaberg. They just cut the float and take the lot. Thieving mongrels
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He was a terrorist!! Serves him self right!!!!
Yeah yeah I know he was role playing
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I remember about 25 years ago checking my pots up here in Cairns. No crabs but a few cans of XXXX. I saw the funny side of it but I was still pissed off.
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I remember about 25 years ago checking my pots up here in Cairns. No crabs but a few cans of XXXX. I saw the funny side of it but I was still pissed off.
I hope the cans were full ones Muzza?
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I hope the cans were full ones Muzza?
They were but I would have preferred the crabs. Cheeky buggers.
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Thought some of you might like to read this post from Ozzie Camper Trailers Facebook page. I was trying to find the original for a read, but found this instead. There is always two sides to every story........unfortunately some people speak louder! Not sure who to believe, but his story is plausible not that you should ever touch someone else's pot EVER! Happens over here with cray pots all the time too. Divers are a big problem too. Anyway have a read and make up your own mind.
Dave
Ozzie Camper Trailers
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I would like to address an accusation made of me yesterday afternoon. Posts were made on multiple public pages yesterday accusing me of checking an individual’s crab pots and has made this very personal against myself, my family and my business. I have also received a number of personal threats as a result.
This blokes crab pot did move, by his own admission, several hundred metres down the creek until it stopped right beside us. There was a deep hole under us and I would say the rope was wrapped around the pot as it rolled along and the float was slowly be submerged under a very fast incoming tide. 3m in fact. The float was about 50mm below the surface.
I thought there was no way the owner was going to be able to retrieve this so using the gaff I pulled it up. There was a phone number on the float but as I had no reception I pulled the whole pot up. As it had a number of undersized crabs in it my thought was to empty it and leave it at the boat ramp.
At this point the owner appeared and would not entertain any explanation of what we had been intending, instead hurling a stream of abuse, and photographing us and our boat. After following us back to the boat ramp, this individual took photos of my business vehicle and took much delight in informing me that he would make sure that the business would really suffer after what he intended to do. I was trying to help him!
Under normal circumstances one would expect that if the pot owner did not accept my version of the event, he would report me to the fishing authorities for possible prosecution. Instead he posted on Facebook and other sites the so called ‘facts’ as he saw them along with the photographs.
What followed was an extraordinary output of hateful comments to the effect that I should be physically harmed, our boat destroyed, and more particularly that my business be boycotted. . Hiding behind pseudo identities, the respondents were as cowardly as they were misinformed.
So here is the problem. How do innocent people defend themselves against this kind of abuse of social media? I now realize that even with the best of intentions I was unwise to handle a pot that did not belong to me. I would be quite prepared to face a rational tribunal, plead my case, and face the consequences, but this modern system of communication does not permit such fairness
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Heres an interesting one for ya.
Just before the Olympics we run some counter terrorism training for bodyguards that looked after OS dignatories. So the scenario goes you are visiting a building, there are four body guards and a VIP. They get ambushed by 'terrorists' using simunitions (plastic projectiles in glock 19's - they hurt like hell) and the VIP gets rushed out of the room by two of the guards.
One guard gets shot and is down injured and the other engages with the two terrorists who then surrender and lay on the ground. The guard stands over them and then....
Shots are heard outside and the the two guards scream contact and help. The guard on his own hears this and has to decide what to do. He is yet to cuff the terrorists or search them.
So he shoots them both in the back to 'disable' them and runs off to help his mates.
He gets outside and its all over with the other terrorists down and the scenario ends. One of the two terrorists he shot in the back comes running out and a full on punch up ensures over him getting shot in the back point blank with an egg sized lump near his spine - that was funny.
Anyways. Justified or not to shoot them?
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sent you a pm mate, dont want to hijack the thread. Happy to post the answer in the thread if there is enough interest.
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Having been "wrongly accused" a few years ago of sexual harassment claim, if what the above says is correct, it maybe should be deleted.
My case went to a tribunal that I won hands down, (so to speak :D) and the other parties legal rep even said to me later, he was taken in by her lies.
Its no fun being tarred and feathered and if you're innocent, its even worse.
Just my 2 cents worth...
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his story is plausible..
but as most fisherman know touching another fisherman's pot is just a no no.. What he should have done is just put the pot back in the water and left the crabs in the pot, taking the crabs out is a bit sus and the guy who posted it on stalk book reckons he was measuring the crabs?
any way I don't think he will make the same mistake as to touch another mans pot again weather he was trying to do the right thing or not..
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Yeah, i'm hearing ya....
In this case, if he's correct in what he said he was doing, then I think, (IMO) you should maybe cut him some slack.
We have a lot of drama's here too with pots etc, but most of the idiots will just cut them open, pillage and go.
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Before anyone boycotts Ozzie Campers, from the FB post it's not the person who owns Ozzie in T/ville in the photos. It maybe his Cruiser but that's it.
No affiliation with the person, I just know what he looks like.
AND I also don't agree with the practice of pot raiding.
Regards
Angus.
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Anyone got a link to the original Facebook post?
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Gees I hope this supposed camper trailer business dude come crab pot thief is not the same bloke who makes Mirage RV Campers?????? :o
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One thing you don't do is touch another person's crab pot's . If it don't have your name on it , leave it alone.I would rather have my pots float away on a big tide (which can happen at the creek they were in ) , than come across some one claiming they were saving them with the crabs on the bottom of their boat being let out ???.If your mad enough to put the pots in your boat , don't pull any crabs out , no matter what. Crab pots aren't that dear to buy and I factor in loosing a few every now and again, and like I said before , that creek can get a big run thru it and take them away (Been there done that). And if the person using that business vehicle is not the owner , he sure as hell has put the owner thru hell for F all.
Cheers
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One thing you don't do is touch another person's crab pot's . If it don't have your name on it , leave it alone.I would rather have my pots float away on a big tide (which can happen at the creek they were in ) , than come across some one claiming they were saving them with the crabs on the bottom of their boat being let out ???.If your mad enough to put the pots in your boat , don't pull any crabs out , no matter what. Crab pots aren't that dear to buy and I factor in loosing a few every now and again, and like I said before , that creek can get a big run thru it and take them away (Been there done that). And if the person using that business vehicle is not the owner , he sure as hell has put the owner thru hell for F all.
Cheers
Yeah I'll say, not sure why anyone would want to touch someone else's crabs anyway. ;D ;D
Serious note. It is just plain theft and a very low act
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sent you a pm mate, dont want to hijack the thread. Happy to post the answer in the thread if there is enough interest.
Not justified?
His primary mission is to protect the VIP. He has to rush out and assist with evac to a safe location.
Back OT, the story sounds more than plausible, but could be bs too.
It's likely the guy who owns the pots has had this happen many times and flew off the handle upon seeing his pot in someone else's hands. Totally understand this, as I have had pots pulled and would be going bananas if I caught someone doing the same. I also wouldn't be listening to excuses put forward.
All fisherman generally know, or should know, that touching anyone else's pots is just not done. Even to 'help'. You just don't do it.
But maybe cooler heads could have prevailed by reporting him and letting the authorities sort out the truth...
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Not justified. The two terrorists on the ground are not a threat whilst they remain in the ground (which they did). Shooting to incapacitate is unlawful, you can only ever shoot to stop an imminent threat
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I remember a well known and respected fishing guide and bar crossing trainer being fined for pulling up spanner crab pots/traps.
In his case the pots were left in the main channel of South Passage Bar which can be tricky enough territory and he moved them to create a safe passage for boats.
Result, a hefty fine.
Never pull up a fishing apparatus unless it is your own.
No ifs or buts.
I would have reported him and let the inspectors deal with it though.
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Having been "wrongly accused" a few years ago of sexual harassment claim, if what the above says is correct, it maybe should be deleted.
My case went to a tribunal that I won hands down, (so to speak :D) and the other parties legal rep even said to me later, he was taken in by her lies.
Its no fun being tarred and feathered and if you're innocent, its even worse.
Just my 2 cents worth...
X2. My best mate was put through a similar experience about 15 years ago. Not fun
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Heres an interesting one for ya.
Anyways. Justified or not to shoot them?
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IMO
Yes
Bill
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Maybe we could get those plastic guns for deterring share farmers
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I remember a well known and respected fishing guide and bar crossing trainer being fined for pulling up spanner crab pots/traps.
In his case the pots were left in the main channel of South Passage Bar which can be tricky enough territory and he moved them to create a safe passage for boats.
Result, a hefty fine.
Never pull up a fishing apparatus unless it is your own.
No ifs or buts.
I would have reported him and let the inspectors deal with it though.
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He's a top bloke. I did that bar crossing course, and it's a dodgy bar to cross.
You wouldn't want to get your prop in a tangle and stall. People die crossing that bar.
Pot owner must have seen him and reported.
You would think common sense would prevail...
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Don't know much about crab pots but we have the same issue in Tas with craypots. There is no excuse for lifting someone else's gear even though the buoys may look alike most ropes are different. Still I always circle the gear to get a look at the pot number before touching it. Just don't need the hassle of old mate coming around the corner and getting all flustered over a mix up, yes they do happen.
A few years back I had a good friend get accused of something he didn't do and it was before the social media days but it got to a point he wouldn't go out in public. Long story short, he is no longer with us. Social media gets spread about the globe in minutes so I would be very careful before posting my thoughts until I had sorted out exactly what transpired.
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Well I am guilty. >:D I have lifted a grab pot that was not one of mine.... I was heading out into the Sandy Straits (between mainland and Fraser Is) when I committed the offence. But my reason was that there was a turtle stuck in the pot. Unfortunately the turtle was dead and it obviously would have really suffered. Not sure what happened but the pot (steel) was damaged and the turtle got stuck trying to get the bait. And while I was lifting the pot I wondered if the owner was watching and would have thought that I was stealing his or her grabs. Kevin
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On the ABC radio I heard a Queensland fisheries office explain it is Not legal to lift or remove some one else’s pot, for any reason, even abandoned pots.
If you see a abandoned pot you are required to notify fisheries and they will remove it.
He was then asked how long it would take to remove it and there was no set answer, but he stated we are not allowed to touch or remove said pot.
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" This blokes crab pot did move, by his own admission, several hundred metres down the creek until it stopped right beside us. There was a deep hole under us and I would say the rope was wrapped around the pot as it rolled along and the float was slowly be submerged under a very fast incoming tide. 3m in fact. The float was about 50mm below the surface.
I thought there was no way the owner was going to be able to retrieve this so using the gaff I pulled it up. There was a phone number on the float but as I had no reception I pulled the whole pot up. As it had a number of undersized crabs in it my thought was to empty it and leave it at the boat ramp."
If this was said in court I think the prosecution would probably say something along the lines of;
"I have difficulty accepting the veracity of your claims" :D
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IMO
Yes
Bill
Who cares about justified or not the most important questions is where it the VP whilst this other guy has run back outside to help his mates when his primary objective is to evac the VP
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Veracity or not if he has admitted to interferring with another person's fishing apparatus regardless of why it is an offence under the fisheries act and he could get a fine (up to $1k from memory). If he was smart he would take down the admission on his website but I would say it is too late now and someone in fisheries will be knocking on his door in the coming days. This has happened a few times up here in recent years. Blokes boasting about catching and photographing out of season barra on fishing forums have been pinged too. Once brough to FQs attention they love to make an easy bust.
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" This blokes crab pot did move, by his own admission, several hundred metres down the creek until it stopped right beside us. There was a deep hole under us and I would say the rope was wrapped around the pot as it rolled along and the float was slowly be submerged under a very fast incoming tide. 3m in fact. The float was about 50mm below the surface.
I thought there was no way the owner was going to be able to retrieve this so using the gaff I pulled it up. There was a phone number on the float but as I had no reception I pulled the whole pot up. As it had a number of undersized crabs in it my thought was to empty it and leave it at the boat ramp."
If this was said in court I think the prosecution would probably say something along the lines of;
"I have difficulty accepting the veracity of your claims" :D
Agreed Dazzler,
Everyone knows you just don't touch others pots and I find it hard to believe anyone would leave a found pot at the boat ramp as it would only get pinched by someone else anyway.
And the other thing is the person who busted him said that he was measuring the crabs in his boat? The alleged offender has said that he was emptying out undersize crabs, I don't know about anyone else but I have never tipped undersize crabs into my boat they have gone straight back over the side...
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I think the bloke caught lifting the pots should think himself lucky that the owner of the pots only followed him and took photos. There have been many instances over the last 5 years of bust ups and so on in the Pine River over lifting others pots.
Its really a simple rule, if it isn't yours then leave it alone. The only reason a pot should be touched is if it gets tangled in the prop, in that case untangle it and throw it back.
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I think the bloke caught lifting the pots should think himself lucky that the owner of the pots only followed him and took photos. There have been many instances over the last 5 years of bust ups and so on in the Pine River over lifting others pots.
Its really a simple rule, if it isn't yours then leave it alone. The only reason a pot should be touched is if it gets tangled in the prop, in that case untangle it and throw it back.
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If his story was correct, he was only trying to do what was right - I'm sure we have all done things for the benefit of others that have backfired
Aaron
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Hi all,
I have just spoke to a guy from Queensland Fisheries at the Cairns office, and asked him for the laws/regulations about the removal/theft of crabs/crab pots.
In summary he stated that the theft of crabs/crab pots is a criminal charge and is reported to the police, and court action will decide the penalties/fines .
But there is also another channel that normally is pursued and that is listed/copied from the fisheries act below, and in most cases the two charges go hand in hand.
The fisheries act states 500 penalty points, that is $1000.00 per of fence, if for example there were four pots moved/robbed that is a $ 4000.00 dollar fine plus the Police criminal charge and fines.
Queensland
FISHERIES ACT 1994
Interference etc. with aquaculture activity or fishing apparatus
87.(1)
A person must not unlawfully interfere with an aquaculture
activity or fishing apparatus.
Maximum penalty—500 penalty units.
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In this section—
“interfere with”
includes—
(a)
for an aquaculture activity—the removal of fisheries resources,
damage and destroy; and
(b)
for fishing apparatus—the removal of fisheries resources,
damage, destroy, mark, remove and trample.
He stated that this charge can be issued to people who even only move the pot.
cheers duggie
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I was boating along the banks near Jumpin Pin many years ago, and ended up with a few metres of rope and a crab pot wrapped around my outboard motor shaft. It took nearly half an hour to clear the mess up.
I guess based on what the regulations seem to indicate that I would be charged with interfering with some bozo's crab pot and fined $1 000.
If the bottle that was submerged and not visible had a name or phone number on it, I would have hunted the ignorant bastard down and given him my rules to ponder.
Now I don't see a crab pot drifting around too far, but that doesn't mean it can't or that some other creature hasn't decided it was a Chrissie Basket of goodies and decided to take it home.
There is probably a lot more to this story than we will ever hear, but there is a vast difference between measuring some crabs and taking them home, and only one of them involves theft.
As to the almighty 11th commandment, "thou shalt not covet thy neighbours crab pot", who the hell decided that boating safety should be compromised by a $10 pot and a lump of rope left in a dangerous position?
I guess it comes back to the old saying...... give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can turn into a brainless wanker.
Morons who drop this Shite onto Facebook and the like instead of manning up are the ones that need shooting.
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Hi All,
I have decided to edit my original post as after reading through the posts I decided that it was inappropriate and might put the forum at risk?
I still stand by all my other comments re the practice of raiding pots and my opinion that the alleged thief's story seems to be hard to believe going on what has been written by the person who posted the picture on facebook and the other guys response to the facebook post..
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Happens a little here in Broome but not too much - plenty of crabs to go round here without nicking them!!
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I am quite happy to PM you my address if you want to pop around to "shoot me" but make sure you are a good shot
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I didn't say I was going to shoot anyone. I guess it shows what side of the moron scales you reside on, however if I did want to shoot anyone I can guarantee I wouldn't miss.
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None of this would have happened if he left the pots alone, lesson learnt I think . And people talking about shooting other people over this thread need to step back from the keyboard and have a breath. Might be time for the mods to end this one.
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None of this would have happened if he left the pots alone, lesson learnt I think . And people talking about shooting other people over this thread need to step back from the keyboard and have a breath. Might be time for the mods to end this one.
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