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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: muzza01 on April 05, 2014, 03:19:59 PM
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Our new stupid bike laws start here in QLD on Monday the 7th April. Whilst driving past cyclists in a
60 km/h zone or less a distance of 1meter must be kept by the vehicle driver, a distance of 1.5 meters must be kept if in a zone above 60 km/h. Failure to comply will result in a $330 fine. :police:
These laws are being brought in to help protect bike riders and cut down on incidents involving cyclists. The rules will be trialled for the next two years but Police will be issuing fines as of Monday. I guess the Police will have the addition of a tape measure on that busy utility belt they wear. :D
So this morning I am driving in a 80 km/h zone along Highway One, the road is only standard with one lane south and one lane north and has bike lanes. The is a gaggle of cyclists of about 14 strong and riding three wide taking up the bike lane and some of my lane. There was traffic coming from the other direction but I manage to get around these tools with about a meter of space between us. As of Monday, I would have been fined for that action. My alternative was to slow down to about 30 km/h (the bikes speed) until there was no traffic coming from the other direction.
It is annoying that we have to change road rules to protect these idiots that constantly break the road rules themselves. ???
What do you guys think?
http://www.qld.gov.au/transport/news/features/bicycle-rules/index.html?gclid=CISIuY_GyL0CFceCvQodS3AAlQ (http://www.qld.gov.au/transport/news/features/bicycle-rules/index.html?gclid=CISIuY_GyL0CFceCvQodS3AAlQ)
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Don't even go there! As a :police: I am sick of these bikeriders and when I get back to the Highway Patrol Monday, look out!!
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I would have been fined for that action.
yes
My alternative was to slow down to about 30 km/h (the bikes speed) until there was no traffic coming from the other direction.
wouldn't have been end of earth..
but until you can replace your bulbar with a "pricks that think they own the road" bar, your screwed.
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So what about the law that allow bike riders to run red lights??
It must be true cause I was stopped a a red light and a bike rider just kept pedaling straight through, then give the finger to a driver who almost cleaned him up as he was doing a legal u turn.
So what if I am Stopped at the lights and they all come up right next to my car? How do you keep a meter distance?
My theory is if there is a bike lane, they should be fined for riding outside of that lane.
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mmm and thats on a good bit of road Muzz .. How the hell are we going to get on on the coast road .. For arguments sake if there were bikes going both north and south you could not get 1.5m form them ..
And you can bet they have all gone out to buy cameras if they didn't have one before so they can film you as you go past at .9m ...
Feck em , dam fools the lot of em ,, when I was a wee lad of 12yo my dad thought it would be a good thing to ride the east coast of Tas on our push bikes .. I have not ridden since , he went on too tour Europe and the USA and has done the lap of oz twice , dam fool ...
Cheers
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Ok, pet hate this one,...........................it's the only sport played on a public open road >:( . As an ex Brisbane truck driver their nothing but a accident waiting to happen !!
There's no easy answer, as a bike rider I agree that they have rights, but there are sooo many wankers out there on them these new laws will be near impossible to enforce.
Here..............I feel better now ;D
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So what about the law that allow bike riders to run red lights??
It must be true cause I was stopped a a red light and a bike rider just kept pedaling straight through, then give the finger to a driver who almost cleaned him up as he was doing a legal u turn.
So what if I am Stopped at the lights and they all come up right next to my car? How do you keep a meter distance?
My theory is if there is a bike lane, they should be fined for riding outside of that lane.
What about F-wits in cars, on motor bikes, buses trucks that do the same thing????????????????????????????????? ???
If outside the bike lane yeah I have no problem with that. ;)
Foo
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We can now cross double lines when overtaking bikes. What I dislike is when the bike lane is there and they ride on the road. I bet if I drove in the bike lane I would be on a current affair,
If they come within you at lights it is ok,
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Ok, pet hate this one,...........................it's the only sport played on a public open road >:( . As an ex Brisbane truck driver their nothing but a accident waiting to happen !!
There's no easy answer, as a bike rider I agree that they have rights, but there are sooo many wankers out there on them these new laws will be near impossible to enforce.
Here..............I feel better now ;D
I am a current one driving a B-double and also a cyclist yet I have the least amount of problems with cyclists compared to caravan towing public! ???
If you can't give cyclists a metre on most of the roads within the built up areas with someone coming towards you, then there is something seriously wrong with your with your driving. ???
I am sick of the BS directed at cyclists, there are f-wits in all aspects of driving and that includes the police force, so not one aspect of drivers are perfect. ::)
The only reason the police get away with things is because they are police. Why do I say this, because I have had them sitting up my arse in the truck at night = 3mtrs in 100kmh zones with poorly focused lights and they wonder why I flick the rear trailer onto the dirt. Just use common sense people, we all have families and want to get home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry if this is a bit in your face but I see so much chit and stupidity and am sick of the stupid attitude of people and that applies to all of you. >:(
I drive trucks, I ride treadlies, I ride motor bikes, I drive a car, I tow a camper trailer, I drive a 4by so I tick all the boxes, so get a life people and don't be so selfish and in such a big hurry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:D
Foo
Foo
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I am a current one driving a B-double
I bet you drive it in the right lane too...
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So what if I am Stopped at the lights and they all come up right next to my car? How do you keep a meter distance?
I've wondered about that too, especially where the "bike lane" itself is not one metre wide. It also doesn't account for different speeds. Crawling past at 10kms is different to passing at 100 with the slipstream of large vehicles knocking you off balance.
However, as for having to slow down to bike speed until it's safe to pass, what's the alternative? To pass unsafely? The law is there to force people to think because at the moment many do not. There is no way that you would pass within a metre of a pedestrian doing 80, but drivers do it all the time to cyclists. When it happens it is scary, and like it or not, cyclists are part of road traffic.
I used to ride between 4-9000 kms a year in japan when I lived there, and by and large it was much safer than Brisbane. An accident there between a bike and car is deemed always to be the cars fault and between a pedestrian and a bike always the bikes fault. But I think the main reason why it is relatively safe is that almost everyone at some time jumps on a bike to get somewhere, and if they don't their wife, brother, daughter, father does. Bike riders are seen as flesh and blood not nuisances to get around because they're going to delay me three minutes.
The Lycra brigade bring a lot of agro on themselves, though. Riding two abreast, while legal, is not necessary and is inconsiderate. Also, if a car has waited patiently behind me to safely pass and then has to stop at the next lights, I'm not going to pass it on the inside and make it wait to pass me again, and again, and again. That's asking for trouble, but so many do it.
This law and fine is going to cause more trouble than it's worth, but something needs to be done, because considering the lack of traffic, riding in Australia is much more dangerous than it should be.
Scoot Ex Cyclist
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On the Heidelberg Kinglake Rd there are hundreds of pushie riders motor bikes cars and wild life
Roos wombats rabits and sometimes Deer
Its a Disaster waiting to happen and has been several accidents
If you want to ride that road go for it
I won't drive on it on the week end any more ive had them 2 abreast 10 deep on the wrong side on a blind corner
When you pass a car coming the other way you would be lucky to have 500 mm between you so how is that law going to work
most of the pushie riders are ok but there are some that arnt going to live for long
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I bet you drive it in the right lane too...
Meaning? ???
You wanna go for a run with me, I have nothing to hide as far as my top end speed goes? ::)
Foo
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I commute on a pushie and do a bit of tour de suburbs on weekends oh and drive a car.........
I rarely see bikes doing the wrong thing...sure there is the odd one but there is also the odd car, motor bike and truck doing the wrong thing......nearly every day I have to run a red turn arrow as me and my bike don't trigger the sensor to change the lights, other than that I follow every rule to a t......the only other thing I do is go to the front of the line at lights
As a bike rider I'm not sure we needed this law, 1m is a long way away from the rider, nice to have but I'm comfortable with cars within the meter.....hopefully the police don't go stupid with it as it's the poor bike rider that will cop it from the drivers booked. Not sure how the police can tell what a meter is when the bike is doing 30 the car doing 60 and maybe the police driving in the opposite direction at 60
I reckon it all just comes down to a bit of courtesy between all road users..sure I have been held up by a pack of riders but it generally only takes say 500m and your around them
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I drove the coast road from Port Douglas to Cairns this morning and came across at least a dozen groups of cyclists. I firmly believe they should be banned from this stretch for their own safety. On two occasions as I came upon groups they moved out from the shoulder to the middle of the road. Makes it very difficult for me to keep the required distance when overtaking. If I'm suddenly faced with oncoming traffic and need to decide between my family colliding with a truck or a cyclist, it won't be a difficult decision.
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I see stupidity every day from all aspects and am not interested in getting into a slanging match, I'm just get sick of BS attitudes towards any one specific part of the community. Chill out people, life is to short! ::)
Foo
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I am a bike rider and a driver so I can see both sides of the story.
People have said 'If they go out of the bike lanes then fine them' etc etc. It is obvious that these people have never ridden a bike in the bike lane - which is filled with rubbish, potholes, glass, metal inspection points, left overs from car crashes, and the road surface is usually CRAP!! Sometimes it is just plain dangerous to use the bike lane. Cars park in bike lanes, buses are in bike lanes which stop frequently, people pull over into bike lanes to drop people off, and quite often we have to keep a meter or so out from parked cars as the driver won't look before they open their door and we will cop a face full of metal!
Furthermore, just as there are bad bike riders, there are plenty bad drivers. Here's a question - if a b-double was turning left at a roundabout, and by the time the last third is at the corner, would a car just go straight through him with the attitude that the truckie had to give way because the driver is on their right hand side?? The answer is obviously no. So why is a group of cyclists that can be 15 - 20 long (single file) be any different?? Most drivers just go straight through and don't have the patience to wait 5-10 secs until we can all get through.
I have had things thrown at me from cars, horns blaring as dicks go by, losers yelling at me calling me a poof because I wear lycra (because it has a thick chamois in it to give my arse some comfort), and I abide by the law (most of the time). I say most of the time because traffic light sensors don't pick up bikes, so if it is safe yes I will go through. If the sensors picked up bikes then I wouldn't do it.
So for those of you abusing cyclists, try going for a bike ride for 30 mins, see what it is like on the other side, then you will be happy that this law is coming in.
Probably not the best time for me to be writing this after going for a ride with a group this morning as nearly every one of these things happened!
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Hi,
I live near the road that follows the original bullock track up and over Bonnet Hill (South of Hobart). It is a Mecca for cyclists, and it is narrow, windy. and double lines all the way.
It really is no trouble to sit behind a bike (or group) for a few minutes and over-take in the other lane when clear to do so.
cheers
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I drove the coast road from Port Douglas to Cairns this morning and came across at least a dozen groups of cyclists. I firmly believe they should be banned from this stretch for their own safety. On two occasions as I came upon groups they moved out from the shoulder to the middle of the road. Makes it very difficult for me to keep the required distance when overtaking. If I'm suddenly faced with oncoming traffic and need to decide between my family colliding with a truck or a cyclist, it won't be a difficult decision.
Well guess what, if I have to choose between some fool passing on a blind bend, brow of a hill and me getting home to see my family unlike your situation of saving a minute, I'm sure as hell am going to take out the vehicle in my lane. The number of times I see this happen is just plain stupid and I won't back off or compromise my life for you. When I have enough $$s I will be putting a Gopro or similar in the truck.
If you want to target cyclists with dumb attitudes, then include all road users. I ride with two bunches off a weekend and there is a call of car back, when there is a car car coming from behind, just to make sure there is enough room for both of us.
If you're worried about things give a couple of toots and do you give a wave to say thank you when they give you plenty of room? Well, I do in the truck when someone gives me the go ahead to go around them and I give a wave to cars when they call/pull across to a wide section of the road or just give me the flick on the indicator. The same when they wait for me to get through intersections and round abouts, when I'm on the bike and so do others that I ride with, it's called courtesy or have people forgotten this????
Well I guess I answered my own question here!
Foo
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So for those of you abusing cyclists, try getting your fat arse on a bike and going for a ride for 30 mins, see what it is like on the other side, then you will be happy that this law is coming in.
Probably not the best time for me to be writing this after going for a ride with a group this morning as nearly every one of these things happened!
Years ago I did ride a bike and enjoyed it. Never again though apart from the odd occasion. I have no desire to be a temporary citizen. My arse is not fat...in fact by most measures nowadays I am thin fortunately.
I have serious problems with many Brisbane bike riders. My main objection is that many (a lot it would seem) of them use our streets as training tracks and genuinely believe they have a divine right to arrogantly do so, particularly during peak commuting times. Our roads were NEVER designed or intended for this purpose. Commuting to work by bike is and honorable thing, behaving like a looney on a training run is another. Racing in motor vehicles on public roads is against the law, why should racing on a bike be any different?
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I am a bike rider and a driver so I can see both sides of the story.
People have said 'If they go out of the bike lanes then fine them' etc etc. It is obvious that these people have never ridden a bike in the bike lane - which is filled with rubbish, potholes, glass, metal inspection points, left overs from car crashes, and the road surface is usually CRAP!! Sometimes it is just plain dangerous to use the bike lane. Cars park in bike lanes, buses are in bike lanes which stop frequently, people pull over into bike lanes to drop people off, and quite often we have to keep a meter or so out from parked cars as the driver won't look before they open their door and we will cop a face full of metal!
Furthermore, just as there are bad bike riders, there are plenty bad drivers. Here's a question - if a b-double was turning left at a roundabout, and by the time the last third is at the corner, would a car just go straight through him with the attitude that the truckie had to give way because the driver is on their right hand side?? The answer is obviously no. So why is a group of cyclists that can be 15 - 20 long (single file) be any different?? Most drivers just go straight through and don't have the patience to wait 5-10 secs until we can all get through.
I have had things thrown at me from cars, horns blaring as dicks go by, losers yelling at me calling me a poof because I wear lycra (because it has a thick chamois in it to give my arse some comfort), and I abide by the law (most of the time). I say most of the time because traffic light sensors don't pick up bikes, so if it is safe yes I will go through. If the sensors picked up bikes then I wouldn't do it.
So for those of you abusing cyclists, try going for a bike ride for 30 mins, see what it is like on the other side, then you will be happy that this law is coming in.
Probably not the best time for me to be writing this after going for a ride with a group this morning as nearly every one of these things happened!
1. if the bike lanes are so bad, get the council or yourselves to clean 'em or just use 'em as they are, because its you guys and girls that wanted 'em in the first place.
2. A b-double is one unit, 15 to 20 bike users is 15 to 20 separate units, figure it out if ya can.
3. You admit you break the law and ride against red lights, and yet you can't work out why people throw stuff at ya.
4. I'm not dumb enough to ride a push bike.
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Firstly let me tell you that you northerners haven't seen anything, come down to the Brisbane CBD and your anger will intensify ten fold.
Let me just say firstly that I don't drive in the CBD or any of the routes that cyclists usually use, so my interaction with them while I am driving is limited.
However, I walk just about everywhere in the CBD and I can safely say that cyclists are the most stupid arrogant retards on wheels. Motorists stop at red lights, they stop at pedestrian crossings, they give pedestrians some space. I've never had a close encounter with a vehicle since I've been working down here.
I have however lost count of the amount of near misses I've had with cyclists. They simply don't care about pedestrians, they run red lights (at high speed) and NEVER stop to allow people to cross the road on zebra crossings. I have NO sympathy for them, zip, zero, zilch.
Whilst I understand that the motorist can be at fault, the attitude of cyclists who take their riding seriously really don't help themselves in the public eye, and the reality is that the vast majority of people think they are retards. If cyclists want to be taken seriously, they seriously need to grow up.
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However, I walk just about everywhere in the CBD and I can safely say that cyclists are the most stupid arrogant retards on wheels. .
related to the ones along Beach Rd down here.. 5 wide, and think they own the road...
fwiw when I was racin m/bikes and was fitter, I used to ride from kurnell to mascot daily to work... around 35klms.. along grand pde for those that know it, I was takin my life in my hands daily.. I'd never attempt it these days
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Years ago I did ride a bike and enjoyed it. Never again though apart from the odd occasion. I have no desire to be a temporary citizen. My arse is not fat...in fact by most measures nowadays I am thin fortunately.
I have serious problems with many Brisbane bike riders. My main objection is that many (a lot it would seem) of them use our streets as training tracks and genuinely believe they have a divine right to arrogantly do so, particularly during peak commuting times. Our roads were NEVER designed or intended for this purpose. Commuting to work by bike is and honorable thing, behaving like a looney on a training run is another. Racing in motor vehicles on public roads is against the law, why should racing on a bike be any different?
This exactly. I ride my bike to work and have to ride an extra 3 or 4 k's to do so on bike paths etc. Takes a bit longer, but then again i piss off probably 300 less people doing it that way. The road is not my training track, and i know i am legally allowed to do it. I'm not that arrogant.
I'd love to ride my penny farthing at 5kmh through town on the main road in, as i am legally entitled to, but i wont.
Anti lycra spray by cummins diesel
http://youtu.be/ZdDxjge5hmY (http://youtu.be/ZdDxjge5hmY)
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I'm not blaming just bike riders. There is morons in all vehicles as said, I was even passed yesterday in a line of traffic by a b double sitting 2 metres of the car in front, all while doing 80kph through the tight lanes of the road works (60kph zone) on the m1. And the other day I watched someone get t boned cause they turned right from the left lane on a roundabout. So yeah I morons driving/riding everything.
Cheers
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Years ago I did ride a bike and enjoyed it. Never again though apart from the odd occasion. I have no desire to be a temporary citizen. My arse is not fat...in fact by most measures nowadays I am thin fortunately.
I have serious problems with many Brisbane bike riders. My main objection is that many (a lot it would seem) of them use our streets as training tracks and genuinely believe they have a divine right to arrogantly do so, particularly during peak commuting times. Our roads were NEVER designed or intended for this purpose. Commuting to work by bike is and honorable thing, behaving like a looney on a training run is another. Racing in motor vehicles on public roads is against the law, why should racing on a bike be any different?
Training is not racing, far from it! ;)
Foo
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I'm not blaming just bike riders. There is morons in all vehicles as said, I was even passed yesterday in a line of traffic by a b double sitting 2 metres of the car in front, all while doing 80kph through the tight lanes of the road works (60kph zone) on the m1. And the other day I watched someone get t boned cause they turned right from the left lane on a roundabout. So yeah I morons driving/riding everything.
Cheers
Yes and this pisses me off no end as it creates more chit for the decent blokes driving trucks. I give them the w/anker sign or finger when they draw up along side of me, or a gob full. >:D
Foo
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This exactly. I ride my bike to work and have to ride an extra 3 or 4 k's to do so on bike paths etc. Takes a bit longer, but then again i piss off probably 300 less people doing it that way. The road is not my training track, and i know i am legally allowed to do it. I'm not that arrogant.
I'd love to ride my penny farthing at 5kmh through town on the main road in, as i am legally entitled to, but i wont.
Anti lycra spray by cummins diesel
http://youtu.be/ZdDxjge5hmY (http://youtu.be/ZdDxjge5hmY)
I bet he gets good fuel economy! ::)
Foo
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Just be thankfull you don't have the same cyclist problems they have in Nimbin!
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I was stopped at a police block for a major bike tour some time back, I was pulled to the left left of the white line on the side of the Pacific HWY north of Kempsey when the group came thru. It frighten the sh**t out of me when the inside riders pushed the outsiders towards the front of my Truck, they missed me by inches, this was a sponsered tour it was a deliberate attempt to wipe out the opponent. Barnray
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1. if the bike lanes are so bad, get the council or yourselves to clean 'em or just use 'em as they are, because its you guys and girls that wanted 'em in the first place.
2. A b-double is one unit, 15 to 20 bike users is 15 to 20 separate units, figure it out if ya can.
3. You admit you break the law and ride against red lights, and yet you can't work out why people throw stuff at ya.
4. I'm not dumb enough to ride a push bike.
Really...
(1) All of the crap on the side of the road comes from cars and trucks
(2) B doubles kill more people than bicycles
(3) I see more people breaking the law in cars, trucks, buses and motorcycles than I have ever seen on bicycles. I'd like to see a red light cameras at every set of lights and a mobile phone usage detector installed at every corner... Maybe we should throw rocks at all the law breaking motorists, probably not enough rocks out there.
(4) Well, you should get smarter and try it, you may just enjoy it.
Now I've had my rant, the problem is our society, a total breakdown of decency on the roads, I don't think the problem is drivers hating cyclists, I think the problem is drivers hating everyone. Oh, yes, I drive and cycle in case you didn't guess.
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Dont shoot the messenger but i think until the law change if you came up behind a bike riding in your lane, as they are lawfully allowed, that you would have to follow it until you could legally overtake it as if it were a car. So maybe its required.
Though I note that knobs seem to drive cars, ride bikes, ride jetskis, travel in planes...........
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I was stopped at a police block for a major bike tour some time back, I was pulled to the left left of the white line on the side of the Pacific HWY north of Kempsey when the group came thru. It frighten the sh**t out of me when the inside riders pushed the outsiders towards the front of my Truck, they missed me by inches, this was a sponsered tour it was a deliberate attempt to wipe out the opponent. Barnray
Competitive bike riders are some of the cattiest little bitches I ever came across. Too much leg shaving I think.
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Really...
(1) All of the crap on the side of the road comes from cars and trucks
(2) B doubles kill more people than bicycles
(3) I see more people breaking the law in cars, trucks, buses and motorcycles than I have ever seen on bicycles. I'd like to see a red light cameras at every set of lights and a mobile phone usage detector installed at every corner... Maybe we should throw rocks at all the law breaking motorists, probably not enough rocks out there.
(4) Well, you should get smarter and try it, you may just enjoy it.
Now I've had my rant, the problem is our society, a total breakdown of decency on the roads, I don't think the problem is drivers hating cyclists, I think the problem is drivers hating everyone. Oh, yes, I drive and cycle in case you didn't guess.
Every one would be safe as long as cyclists stay in single file, come around a curve and there is three cyclists abreast, what the fu=- is the poor motorist supposed to do, if you want to ride on the roads stay in single file. We as cars, truck drivers.. are not allowed to drive along each other so we can have a chat.
And yes now the new rules are in I will not pass a cyclists unless it is totally safe, that is going to piss a lot of B Double drives off Foo and yes I tow a van.
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I don't want to get in a slanging match, but as the current law stands it is legal for cyclists to rise 2 abreast ... many drivers seem to think it is law to ride single file ... it isn't.
Cheers Chippy :D
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This exactly. I ride my bike to work and have to ride an extra 3 or 4 k's to do so on bike paths etc. Takes a bit longer, but then again i piss off probably 300 less people doing it that way. The road is not my training track, and i know i am legally allowed to do it. I'm not that arrogant.
I'd love to ride my penny farthing at 5kmh through town on the main road in, as i am legally entitled to, but i wont.
Anti lycra spray by cummins diesel
http://youtu.be/ZdDxjge5hmY (http://youtu.be/ZdDxjge5hmY)
Oh god that is too funny!
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I don't want to get in a slanging match, but as the current law stands it is legal for cyclists to rise 2 abreast ... many drivers seem to think it is law to ride single file ... it isn't.
Cheers Chippy :D
That may be, but whats legal and what should be done can be two different things. Its legal for me to wear speedos. Dosnt make it right.
More common sense for all parties, problem is - common sense isnt common.
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*not entering into a silly "I'm right you're wrong" argument *
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I can't remember the last time I saw a cyclist using hand signals to indicate what direction they were turning but it has definitely been a few years. That is one thing that annoys me with cyclists.
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but whats legal and what should be done can be two different things.
I got stuck behind 3 camper trailers travelling between Glenn Helen and Redbank Gorge the other day, travelling at 40 in a 100 zone. As far as I know there is no law against travelling too slow. Why am I sharing this? it was more inconvenience than I can ever recall from a single bike rider, or even a group riding two abreast. It would be easy to group all camper trailer owners in this group of inconsiderate so and so's, others might.
Really it is never 'right' to drive closer than 1m to a cyclist, for their safety. Making it law is a no brainer.
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Furthermore, just as there are bad bike riders, there are plenty bad drivers. Here's a question - if a b-double was turning left at a roundabout, and by the time the last third is at the corner, would a car just go straight through him with the attitude that the truckie had to give way because the driver is on their right hand side?? The answer is obviously no. So why is a group of cyclists that can be 15 - 20 long (single file) be any different?? Most drivers just go straight through and don't have the patience to wait 5-10 secs until we can all get through.
I try to stay out these as it just tends to feed the arguement and I feel both groups get my feelings so no need to add.... But I find so many dont know the current roundabout rules......
There is no give way to your right when it comes to entering a roundabout. In the above example the vehicle entering the roundabout is required to giveway to the B double as it is already on the roundabout.
With 15-20 cyclists if one third wasn't on the roundabout when the car entered then the cyclists need to give way, so they are infact breaking the law..... Not the car in that instance.
Please be familiar with current laws before trying to say that you follow all of them. You mentioned that all of the things happened to you or a group, I suggest the group learns the road rules.
Oh now you got me started..... Now for a rant!
Sorry if it comes across harsh but I think I find that cyclists are their worst enemy. I had one the other day tailgating a bus and when it stopped pull out infront of me, he didnt look. Now I could see it happening and took action to prevent a collision, we avoid the collision with only a few cm in it. When the car behind me hit their horn as they only just missed me (they were tailgating me.....) he gave us the finger. Wow, I just saved his life and I get the finger, really nice, imagine how I would have felt if I had hit him and killed him (something I would have had to live with for life >:( ). I wish I had saved the footage from my dash cam.
Just on Thrusday in the Sydney CBD I had one almost take me out as I was crossing a road on a green walking signal. He yelled at me for almost colliding, this was when I was at the other side of the road, ie he hadnt just crossed the line and it changed, he ran a red light well and truly, wow ???.
Yes I see cars breaking major safety laws every day. I'd say less than 5% (most stop at red lights, stop at stop signs), when it comes to cyclists it would be closer to 90% that break the law that I see on a daily basis. I also saw a really good cyclist last week that indicated, stopped at lights and filtered only when safe to do so (as he was legally entitled to do so and I support this for cyclists). Note the 5% would be much higher (25%) if I include not indicating (another pet peeve).
I also saw several motorists queuing across lights the other day, another pet peeve. God knows you spent 5 mins in the CBD and you'll see lots of people breaking the road rules, but I see alot of cars so the % is much less.....
Overall I find peoples understanding of current road rules to be quite poor, we could all do with a refresher. I got my heavy vehicle license about 5 years ago, it was good as it forced me to relearn the road rules. I wish we all had to resit a test every 5 to 10 years, we'd have much better quality of drivers. Or the other thing is we should ban the use of parents as teachers for learning to drive, we all have so many bad habits.
For the record I also have had recent peer review of my driving as I am a response driver in an emergency service and all my response runs require a review afterwards.
Rant off
Both groups need to discuss there concerns, I agree that debate is good as it is what drives people to work the system to enact change.
Chris
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I think the new laws are just going to create more animosity between cyclists and drivers - and plenty of confusion - so I don't really see them as a good thing.
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Like others have mentioned, I too am a cyclist, car driver, motorcyclist, 4WDer, camper trailer tow-er and ex-caravan tow-er.
- I pay rego. Several times over. We have several vehicles
- it is absolutely legal to ride two abreast
- you only have to ride in a bike lane "when it is safe to do so"
- in some states, you can ride on the footpath
There are all kinds of d1ckheads. D1ckhead cyclists, d1ckhead drivers, d1ckhead law enforcers, d1ckhead law makers, d1ckhead pedestrians...
Let's face it... there are too many d1ckheads in our society today.
Take a breath... be patient... give others the time of day and the benefit of the doubt. Whether it suits you or not. Go to Europe and watch almost everyone give cyclists the right of way - almost every time.
Motor vehicles kill people. I drive one, and as a "lycra wearing poof" I understand the risks involved every time I go out on the road, but I don't need them shortened by impatient ignorant people. I have a wife and kids and they'd be upset if I didn't come home.
Personally, I don't agree with the new 1m law in QLD - it's just going to create more angst and derision.
I also think paying rego for bicycles is tantamount to stupididty. if I paid rego on my bike would it change your attitudes to cyclists?? No... I didn't think so....
We are all road users in one - or multiple - forms or another. Treat each other with respect and none of this thread needed to happen.
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Training is not racing, far from it! ;)
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Hmm moot point........................................................... somebody should tell some of the budding Lance A's around here then. I pity the poor ambos who scrape quite a few of them off Mt Nebo/Glorious and Mt Cootha on a far too regular basis. If I "train" with my car on an open public road it is classified as hooning. My understanding is that the roads were designed as a public utility for commuting and transportation of goods and services. As for being bicycle training tracks, that is news to me.
If I am wrong I will happily admit to being ignorant of the facts.
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The real problem with this law appears to be that most QLDers can't read the changes to the I road rules nor display common courtesy on the roads, go the blues!
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This thread has more potential of going pear shaped than any electrical thread ever! I'm a cyclist and ride up to 500kms a week and I drive roughly the same and I see all sides of this argument and for some stupid reason it always becomes an argument! I agree that cyclist need to follow the road rules as do all road users (I personally think car drivers are far worse overall), but the most important thing is patience, tolerance and "respect". Respect is the important one.
Bike V Car or Truck....guess what? no matter who is right or wrong if there is an interaction/altercation (crash) bike rider loses. This is not a win lose law it's about saving lives. If motorists showed more respect there would be no reason for this law. It comes down to common courtesy and obviously that does go both ways. Cyclists need to pull their heads in too.
I ride with a number of police officers on a regular basis and it's great when our group gets cut off or road raged and the poor unsuspecting fool gets a proper education (read arse reaming) at the next set of lights. :police: Golden to see their faces.
I could go on and on about this but please next time you are raging because one of my lycra clad buddies has delayed from getting your coffee or McDonalds by a couple of minutes remember that they are someone's Son, Daughter, Dad, Mum, brother and or sister. If it was your loved one riding their bike how would you treat the situation or how would you like me as a motorist to treat them? Food for thought!
Dave
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Hmm moot point........................................................... somebody should tell some of the budding Lance A's around here then. I pity the poor ambos who scrape quite a few of them off Mt Nebo/Glorious and Mt Cootha on a far too regular basis. If I "train" with my car on an open public road it is classified as hooning. My understanding is that the roads were designed as a public utility for commuting and transportation of goods and services. As for being bicycle training tracks, that is news to me.
If I am wrong I will happily admit to being ignorant of the facts.
You're Wrong! ;D Oh and narrow minded! Help?
Dave
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I ride and drive but when I ride I always try and understand what the risk is when going through a narrow section or on a tight turn. I will wait or slow down to time these sections. I don't ride through with a god given right that I see so many do.
I noticed in the city on Friday just how many riders weave through the pedestrians on a light controlled intersection and just expect people to stop and let them through.
There is room for all and everyone must follow all rules. The most important being that right of way doesn't apply where doing so will cause an accident.
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And where a bicycle rider deliberately swerves their bike towards a vehicle.
What then? Is the vehicle driver still at fault.
Because they have to maintain a nominal distance under the new Road Law.
Far easier to swerve a cycle than a vehicle with at least 4 wheels.
It's about time everybody received the same treatment.
You blow a traffic control light OR sign. You get done for it.
Everybody, including Cyclists, has to use the roads with care.
And not endanger themselves, or others, by their actions.
A great many cyclists seem to think the road laws do not apply to them.
Quite a few vehicle drivers as well.
There is fault on both sides.
This inflammatory thread is going to continue for ever unless a moderator can lock it down.
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This argument is a bad as politics and religion.
You will always have the dickheads that think they own the roads and no matter how you try to explain things to them, they just can't understand it. I think it may have something to do with only having one brain cell between their ears.
If you need to ask how to pass a cyclist safely, you should hand your bloody licence in, because you are a moron and should not be operating a dunny let alone a car.
You drive to the CONDITIONS, it really is that simple, but I am amazed at just how many idiots fail to comprehend this.
Then you have those that bitch about cyclists holding them up. Why are you bitching, it's only for a few seconds. Are you in that much of hurry to get to the next red light?
People bitch because they see SOME cyclists breaking the law. So do motorists, so why not bitch and moan about them as well.
Cyclists are legally entitled to use the roads, so get used to it. If you don't like it, catch a ferking bus.
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I noticed in the city on Friday just how many riders weave through the pedestrians on a light controlled intersection and just expect people to stop and let them through.
Yep, this happens ALL the time in Brisbane. Cyclists who bitch about motorists should walk around the Brisbane CBD for a while and see what their buddies are doing around pedestrians.
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Re riding 2 abreast, that is only legal on a dual lane road not single lane, and just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Re bike rego and having to wear rego numbers, great idea, means you are not anonymous and this will weed out the so called 'minority' as they are easily identifiable and reportable.
Re roundabouts, if you're in a peloton, tough crap if a car is turning right, you need to stop as that is the law, you are not considered 'one' vehicle.
If you want to 'share' a 'public' infrastructure then you need to 'share' the responsibility.
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That may be, but whats legal and what should be done can be two different things.
Yep, the cemetery is full of people who had the "right of way".
This would make a great poll, so we can see just who thinks who's the biggest ar$e on the road.
Something along the lines of....
"WORLD'S BIGGEST LOSER ON BITUMEN" (In no particular order)
1. Cyclists.
2. Caravaners.
3. Pedestrians.
4. Truck drivers.
5. Bus drivers.
6. CT owners.
7. Car drivers.
8. Tradies with trailers.
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Think I'll buy shares in a dash can company. It'll only be a matter of time before someone gets footage of a police car at less than a metre & it headlines on ACA (that doyen of journalism)
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Think I'll buy shares in a dash cam company. It'll only be a matter of time before someone gets footage of a police car at less than a metre & it headlines on ACA (that doyen of journalism)
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Don't even go there! As a :police: I am sick of these bikeriders and when I get back to the Highway Patrol Monday, look out!!
I reckon there would be plenty of other work for you to do than say sitting at an intersection waiting for a cyclist to do the wrong thing.......blow an eight hour shift to nab two cyclists woohoo.....go get em
With these new laws.....which I wish they didn't bring in.....the poor motorist is going to be stung more than the cyclists.
It's only a trial rule isn't it?? Hopefully that means only warning are handed out and the rule dropped after the trial period.
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And today in the Phillipines;
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so does this rule also include cyclists - they too have to be the same distance apart from each other ? ..... not going to work.
But seriously most complaints are about cyclists taking up the road these so call cyclists are riding for recreational, fitness and checking each other out in their lycra not for commuting to get from a to b, so why dont they take their bikes to dedicated cycle tracks away from traffic, or are they to arrogant that they think they are better to share the same tracks with families taking their kids for a leisurely ride. I take my kids for a ride most weekends on dedicated cycle track away from traffic and the scenery is a lot better than tail lights of cars or checking out the padded lycra 3 inches from your nose, it aint rocket science but then again some of these tutu wearing lycra sniffing cyclists are not the brightest penny in their purse
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a couple of things that have been mentioned ..
make all cyclists be rego , wether they pay anything is not the point , it will give the cars a means of identifaction , just like the cars have , in case they are seen to be doing the wrong thing
make all cyclists follow the same rules as what cars do , as most are of the age to have a license , if they are found to be in the wrong , fine them
keep cyclists off the roads that are over 60klms per hour , just like backhoe's , if you cant do the speed limit you shouldn't be there
the bit that gets me is wether it is their ' right ' to ride on the road or not , when an accident occurs the car is never hurt
at what point does self-preservation overule stupidity ?
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I'll give the cyclists a meter or more...heck I do now......but how about the cyclists give me "ute driver" a meter when they pass me!
ive had plenty pass me with barely enough room between me and the curb....especialy when slowing down for traffic lights,intersections and such.