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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: prado2004 on April 01, 2014, 10:41:11 AM
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Is this what the world is coming to?
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/vehicles/outlander-phev (http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/vehicles/outlander-phev)
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Hopefully. Electric vehicles are the way of the future and our fossil fuel ones will be laughed at in 25yrs.
Electric motors are so efficient it's ridiculous. Mate had a Camry hybrid and it's sensational.
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I like the concept. Around town an overnight charge in a 15 amp outlet and your driving around for nicks. As long as they still have the power and range on fuel when I decide to travel further than 50km or tow or cross the Simpson!
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Cross the Simpson? There'll come a time when you won't be allowed to drive there! Too fragile!
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I recently purchased a prius c as a work car. Small car and brilliant on fuel.
I reckon within 10 years more than half the new car market will be hybrids.
The technology is advancing and price coming down.
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How's it going to run after some beach driving?
Wonder what the wading depth will be?
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Dunno
Our electricity is mainly derived from fossil fuels anyway, and my electricity bill is huge enough now.
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Our electricity is mainly derived from fossil fuels anyway, and my electricity bill is huge enough now.
Noel your not thinking like they want you to. Alternative energy will be comparative as fossil fuels because they will tax/levy/excise/tariff it until it is. Then we can all continue on happy in the knowledge we are using clean energy like solar completely oblivious to all the damage to the environment the Manufacture of solar panels causes :laugh: not to mention the disposal of these batteries safely along with the mercury from the energy efficient piss poor performing fluro globes we now use!
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Noel your not thinking like they want you to. Alternative energy will be comparative as fossil fuels because they will tax/levy/excise/tariff it until it is. Then we can all continue on happy in the knowledge we are using clean energy like solar completely oblivious to all the damage to the environment the Manufacture of solar panels causes :laugh: not to mention the disposal of these batteries safely along with the mercury from the energy efficient piss poor performing fluro globes we now use!
exactly right! if you worked out cost of charging each night based on getting 50kms from a charge it wouldn't work out much cheaper than petrol/diesel. Not to mention the additional cash you need to front up with at purchase time.
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Exactly!
And what about the other things that we do with our vehicles.
Things you cannot do with an electric vehicle.
Will it pull its own mass or more than its own mass?
They have recharge points in the High Country?
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Cant wait to go to the drag races or F1 to listen to the roar of the engines... Oh hang on..
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Exactly!
And what about the other things that we do with our vehicles.
Things you cannot do with an electric vehicle.
Will it pull its own mass or more than its own mass?
They have recharge points in the High Country?
It will do all that and more considering a diesel electric mine truck can move 180 tonne i think you will be fine with your camper trailer
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It will do all that and more considering a diesel electric mine truck can move 180 tonne i think you will be fine with your camper trailer
Yeah that's like diesel electric trains, will haul anything buts that's different tech. Try driving the electric motors with a battery bank and either the 400 tonne payload will need to be all batteries no ore or it will have a range of 300mm!
Somewhere in the world they were also using overhead cables to power dump trucks at mines!
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That is why current electric cars are a hybrid. When you need the pulling power you have a combustion engine.
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I drive an Outlander now. It tows my 1500kg van ok, not as fuel efficient towing as I would like at 14-17 ltrs per 100km depending on conditions. It averages 8 ltrs per 100km without the van.
I got the email about a month ago about the leccy one and was wondering how it would go towing the van. I notice it has the same 1500 kg towing capacity as the one I have now. Will definately look at them when they come out. :cheers:
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Any idea what sort of $$$$ ? I really don't want to click on the button to submit an inquiry and get harassed.
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Gotta go Nuclear..on a scaled down set up .
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Gotta go Nuclear..on a scaled down set up .
Go Hydrogen then you can always tell where the accidents are by the mushroom cloud up ahead
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Somewhere in the world they were also using overhead cables to power dump trucks at mines!
Only in the uphill runs - diesel/electric everywhere else, hit the uphill run loaded, hookup to the power cables and the engine drops to idle while a gas turbine or other larger generator does all the power making. Truck wheel motors run at 100% while saving around 30%+ in the truck diesel bill and the engines last longer. Setup right you can also hook into the grid and throw the power from the wheel motors in dynamic brakes back into the grid while going back down the hill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhqgVimGZRs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhqgVimGZRs)
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Gotta go Nuclear..on a scaled down set up .
Go steam power... we can grow the fuel we need.
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Only in the uphill runs - diesel/electric everywhere else, hit the uphill run loaded, hookup to the power cables and the engine drops to idle while a gas turbine or other larger generator does all the power making. Truck wheel motors run at 100% while saving around 30%+ in the truck diesel bill and the engines last longer. Setup right you can also hook into the grid and throw the power from the wheel motors in dynamic brakes back into the grid while going back down the hill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhqgVimGZRs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhqgVimGZRs)
Thanks Shane that's pretty cool!
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How's it going to run after some beach driving?
Wonder what the wading depth will be?
Being serious it will be the same as what you have now. Electrics everywhere. Vehicles are not submarines and water kills them in the long run.
In the long run 4wds will come out with electric drive hubs that will be fully sealed. Think of the advantages;
1. No driveshafts - articulation is determined by the whatever length you want
2. Full instant control of traction at each wheel
3. Regenerates power when braking
4. Create your own fuel at home
The only thing that holds them back at the moment is battery storage for distance for ev only. Using Moores Law technology doubles every 2 yrs so it won't be long and you will drive from Melb to Syd on one charge. check this out;
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/153614-new-lithium-ion-battery-design-thats-2000-times-more-powerful-recharges-1000-times-faster (http://www.extremetech.com/computing/153614-new-lithium-ion-battery-design-thats-2000-times-more-powerful-recharges-1000-times-faster)
Life is gunna get sparky
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Its like cars that can park and drive themselves... Honestly if you cant do either, how the f**** did you get a license ???
I quite like driving and can reverse park a semi quite easily, let alone a car....
I can wait 500 years for it all.. I don't look forward to any of it.
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Any idea what sort of $$$$ ? I really don't want to click on the button to submit an inquiry and get harassed.
$55k for the top of the range
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I think it will be a while before the electric will out do the internal combustion engine in our every day use for all year round.
Yep, sure, inner city living is 1 thing. We don't do that in this country, even those who do still load up the small car for the 1,500 k road trip twice a year for what ever reason.
Yet, the Europeans are still setting incredible fuel records. Here is a recent example.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/278476/peugeot-308-euro-coty-claims-fuel-economy-record-with-new-three-cylinder-petrol-engine/ (http://www.caradvice.com.au/278476/peugeot-308-euro-coty-claims-fuel-economy-record-with-new-three-cylinder-petrol-engine/)
Remember the Wagon that was driven between Rocky and Melbourne with 4 blokes in it on 1 tank of fuel to set a point straight about diesels.
I have tried to find it just now, but once a study was done which found that the passengers on a Melbourne Tram which is full would be making less hydrocarbons in the atmosphere if they all drove a V6 commodore each when compared to the coal fired power the tram uses.
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I have tried to find it just now, but once a study was done which found that the passengers on a Melbourne Tram which is full would be making less hydrocarbons in the atmosphere if they all drove a V6 commodore each when compared to the coal fired power the tram uses.
It would be great to read that, I'm surprised as I thought trams were a bit more energy efficient, even though coal is pretty polluting. BUT I'm pretty sure its better to have 60 people in a tram in Sydney road Brunswick at 4.30 in the afternoon, rather than 60 commodores stretching back block after block...
Im really excited about how the future of transport will look, I don't think that tying to plonk that technology in our current version of a car is the right way to go. Im pretty sure the first cars were a very poor fit to replace the horse/bullock/people power that people were use to.
I know most of our power still comes from coal, or if you live in some parts of Australia (Alice Springs) Gas. we will get better, we have to get better at creating cleaner power, and when we do it will be great to have some electric vehicle options that are developing. We have a moderate solar system on the roof, and easily are net producers over the 12 mth cycle, and its dead easy. A small upgrade to this and I could easily power an electric vehicle or two.....
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And there's not supposed to be a problem with that, according to the Greenies.
Just ask 'em down in Moccies On Everyone whether their Kids have got asthma or Bronchitis.
Highest incidence of breathing related disorders in the Country.
And once again when the Fires in the pit were going.
Just smoke and dust, don't worry.
They've really got everybody''s best interest at heart.
They had to be told by the Chief Medical Officer.
And they took their own sweet time doing anything.
It's just another way of shifting the source of the pollution.
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When I look at something likr this I think fantastic, but I guess it does come down to the sums etc break even point.
Some people it will work for but for a person that drives 10k a day like me you would probably find it cheaper to buy a petrol then diesel.
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It would be great to read that, I'm surprised as I thought trams were a bit more energy efficient,
It is not how efficient the trams are, but rather how P Poor the power generation is. The same tram in Tassie would be much different with its hydrocarbon emissions thanks to the cleaner power being made for the grid.
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When I look at something likr this I think fantastic, but I guess it does come down to the sums etc break even point.
Some people it will work for but for a person that drives 10k a day like me you would probably find it cheaper to buy a petrol then diesel.
I think you are correct. Though I view these more as automotive pioneers. Hybrids are becoming more prevalent and I imagine in time so will these.
The big mistake IMO is not going with a standardised battery pack that you can replace at a servo. You could drive up the road and pull into the servo, flip the battery hatch, a laser guiding thing reaches over and grabs your one, fits a new one and you pay for the difference in fuel left - just like fossil fuels.
Simples. On our CT's you would have jerry battery holders LOL.
Back in the early 90's there was an electric VW Beetle in the states that would do 100mph for an hour and smoke the tyres. That was 20yrs ago so the technology is way advanced.
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Back in the early 90's there was an electric VW Beetle in the states that would do 100mph for an hour and smoke the tyres. That was 20yrs ago so the technology is way advanced.
This is pretty impressive performance wise.
http://www.teslamotors.com/roadster (http://www.teslamotors.com/roadster)
We have provided some equipment to manufacture it, it's still early days but they seem to be doing alright. Manufactured in California
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If you watch the Tesla video it's an interesting marketing concept they use, no noise. Sounds strange (lol) at first but if you have ever flown light aircraft and gliders you can relate to it. Of course you not always going to be driving on windswept ocean roads!
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With Petrol and Diesel you can carry extra.
How do you do it with this sort of vehicle.
You cannot top it up on the side of the road.
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With Petrol and Diesel you can carry extra.
How do you do it with this sort of vehicle.
You cannot top it up on the side of the road.
Call Mandrakes Road Service...
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You love spotters fees dont you? By the way, you and I are owed a spotters fee for the second hand Tambo's we have sold lately....
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With Petrol and Diesel you can carry extra.
How do you do it with this sort of vehicle.
You cannot top it up on the side of the road.
Hire one of these to tow behind the camper?
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The outlander still has a petrol motor (as well as the electrics) so you can fill it up and keep going.
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That's the current one.
If you have to plug it in to charge up, what sort of vehicle is it?
What sort of range has it got?
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With Petrol and Diesel you can carry extra.
How do you do it with this sort of vehicle.
You cannot top it up on the side of the road.
Most people carry extra fuel when touring, why not extra batteries? Some people fit long range tanks, Im sure similar can occur with battery banks. Perhaps they will never be suitable for crossing the Simpson, but they might be suitable for camping at a powered camp site every night.
Even though you can top up with other fuel by the side of the road, many people will never push the limits or run out of fuel, and there are plenty of motorbikes with ranges less than most electric vehicles.
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That's the current one.
If you have to plug it in to charge up, what sort of vehicle is it?
What sort of range has it got?
According the newspaper last Sunday, the new PHEV is the same, it has a normal petrol engine.
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It was explained to me from a rep that you drive day to day on electric from your home when the batt gets low from driving a long distance the generator kicks in providing the power and this is supposed to be more efficient then a combustion engine as well.
Now this was from a rep who was quite a nerd lol.
Wonder what the tow capacity is lol.
I don't mind change I love it ;D
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That's the current one.
If you have to plug it in to charge up, what sort of vehicle is it?
What sort of range has it got?
The new one is a plugin hybrid. It has batteries and a petrol motor - like other hybrids (prius etc) - but unlike other hybrids it can be plugged in overnight if you like and you can get a fair distance on 100% electric before needing any petrol. Probably far enough to do the usual daily commute and run-around. Buying the electricity to do this should be a lot cheaper than buying the petrol to do the same, but I don't know the exact calculations for the outlander.