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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: treads on December 20, 2013, 11:23:39 AM
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Cal and Bud Car rollover 14 December 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN1IDGu2pq0#ws)
Properly fitted child restraint and the absence of a cargo barrier in a roll
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ouch.
They are lucky to come out of it so well, missing all the roadside furniture.
Shows how much stuff gets thrown around the cabin without the barrier.
Thanks Treads, a timely reminder of how quick this can happen.
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Why I have cargo barriers in all 3 of my wagons, Subaru Outback, Jackaroo and VW Type 3 'Variant'.
The only reason that we don't have one in the Santa Fe is that it is used as a 7 seater.
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Cargo barriers not only keep stuff where it is supposed to be but helps keep the roof up in a full roll over.
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Wow, as a parent that was very disturbing. Thankfully both were ok
Swannie
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So glad that kid was strapped in properly (and his seat correctly attached too). Just goes to show what a rag doll you could become without the wearing of seatbelts. And a cargo barrier is really a no brainer after seeing this!!
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very lucky indeed!
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Am I right in thinking that he blames a kangaroo and the road conditions for this accident?
gordo350
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Just goes to show you never know what might happen. I bet this bloke didn't wake up in the morning and think he would be in an accident. I'm glad there was no serious injuries.
Timely reminder for us all to stay safe on the roads, and anywhere for that matter.
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Any thoughts on why the wipers came on just before the accident?
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Any thoughts on why the wipers came on just before the accident?
Probably knocked them when he was trying to correct the steering I would think. I knock mine on all the time in the car accidentally and I'm not trying to regain control :D
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So so very lucky not to have gone into the trees ...
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Firstly Treads, I would like to express how glad I am in ensuring your child was safely secured in the correct restraint. And yes, cargo barriers are a must, but lets not forget about the other heavy objects we sometimes forget we place in front of them.
But that said, what happened to driving to the conditions? What if a car came around the corner toward you and you had to veer left to avoid it? Were you aware of the condition of the whole road? Or just the bit you were driving on.
How about we all slow down a little bit and have a safe Christmas.
I apologize if I come across as a bit harsh, but as an ex interstate truck driver, I have seen more than my share or carnage on the road.
Have a safe and happy Christmas Treads, and I hope your arm heals well. It looks nasty.
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Did I miss something? I thought Treads was posting the vid as an education to us re what could happen as a reminder for us all to consider our own rigs and what could happen in a vehicle roll over.
I didn't for a second think Treads was the driver of said vehicle.
That aside, you do make a valid point or two, just mis directed to the bloke who posted the vid on here that's all.
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I didn't get the impression that Treads was the driver either.
Anyway, I am going shopping for the Prado next week in Adelaide, and a cargo barrier was one of the items high up on my list. After seeing this, the wife has suddenly said that safety is more important than money....
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My sincere heartfelt apologies to Tread. I had obviously picked up the blunt end of the stick there. I did not mean any malice toward you. I just get a little uptight when I see people driving beyond their abilities and putting themselves and others in danger. I wish you all a safe and happy xmas.
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I didn't get the impression that Treads was the driver either.
Anyway, I am going shopping for the Prado next week in Adelaide, and a cargo barrier was one of the items high up on my list. After seeing this, the wife has suddenly said that safety is more important than money....
If that's the case upgraded suspension for better stability, bullbar for front end protection, awning for sun protection etc etc etc. Good times ahead ;)
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Still trying to see the roo in the vid.
First lesson in driving on country roads, don't swerve for a roo, rabbit, wombat, or any other native wildlife.
:cheers:
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Have had the same type of loss of control on a good quality dirt road outside Narrabri. Fortunately it did not result in a rollover but still when the rear end slides down and out from an excessive centre peak (approx 800mm high in the centre, road 5m wide) at 80kmh it is a butt clencher.
The solution was to put the vehicle into 4wd and drive to the camber, not just the middle.
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or he cold have just slowed down and driven on the correct side of the road and he wouldn't have gotten into that situation in the first place, would have made for an interesting accident if a family in a little japcrap mobil was coming the other way around a bend or even a guy a a motor bike
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There are a lot of assumptions being made here, my initial reply may seem harsh, as have others. It all gets back to driving to the conditions in the initial circumstances, and expecting the unexpected.
Treads may or may have not been the driver, vehicle safety devices may or may not have lead to a better or worse outcome, the driver may have had a long day and was not concentrating.
We have all probable been in similar circumstances, things happen so quickly.
Take care on gravel roads.
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Looking at the first 30secs, seems speed was a little high, but more likely the peak in the centre and marble gravel surface caused the rear end lose.
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Looking at the first 30secs, seems speed was a little high, but more likely the peak in the centre and marble gravel surface caused the rear end lose.
Sorry,I see nothing abnormal here,except excessive speed!
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You lot need to get ya eyes checked......... ;D
Having one of them dash cams, the video ALWAYS looks faster than actual.
Compared to vid from my dashcam, I'd guess his speed around 60kmh. Not fast by any means for that type of road.
Also the slide starts on the left hand side of the road, now by my reckoning, that's the side we drive on.
And finally, the slide starts in the built up gravel on the LEFT.......
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You lot need to get ya eyes checked......... ;D
Having one of them dash cams, the video ALWAYS looks faster than actual.
Compared to vid from my dashcam, I'd guess his speed around 60kmh. Not fast by any means for that type of road.
Also the slide starts on the left hand side of the road, now by my reckoning, that's the side we drive on.
And finally, the slide starts in the built up gravel on the LEFT.......
I've used dash cams for the last 6-7 yrs, if that was only 60kmh I will donate my left twin to science research, when i can find it
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I think it was setup for filming. Don't know what it is bit it doesn't sit right.
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Looked fast to me from the start. My dash cam vids don't seem faster than actual speed.
I guess there's a difference between driving over the speed limit and not driving to the conditions at the speed limit.
i feel this guy wasnt driving to the conditions, also appeared to hit blind corners too fast
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It is good to be reminded how quickly these things can happen. One of my mates rolled his Nissan Safari, on a gravel road in a very similar situation. No cargo barrier, and there were some items that got flicked around the vehicle that could have easily killed their young son. Thankfully, no human damage.
At the end of the day, we are all human and make mistakes. Perhaps he didn't think he was driving over the speed limit. Everyone judges the situation differently. There are heaps of factors; was it in 4WD? What were the tyre pressures? Did he swerve to avoid anything?
Aaron
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^^^^^^
Yep, what he said is what I'm sayin.
I've been caught out myself on the oodnadatta track. Came out of a washout and nearly smacked a rock in the middle of the road. Too fast, and didn't kno the road, only doing 60 kph. Saw the trailer alongside the old VN crumpledore in the mirror.
How we didn't flip I'll never kno.
The distance between crisis and clear sailing is very slim when you think about it.
The kids aged 3 and 5 remained asleep in the back seat!
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The distance between crisis and clear sailing is very slim when you think about it.
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To paraphrase....
......."it's a fine line between pleasure and pain".......
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Let's face it, who hasn't had a "that could of been a lot worse" moment?
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Let's face it, who hasn't had a "that could of been a lot worse" moment?
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We had some of those like ending up in a 180 with the camper trying to overtake the cruiser because we hit a dirt corner too fast and over corrected, change of underwear after that one
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IJMO --- (Its just my opinion)
long version - IJMOIHNFQBWLTPITDSIOMO - (Its just my opinion I have no formal qualifications but would like to participate in the discussion so I offer my opinion)
Now that thats out of the way so I don't offend anyone.......................
As most of you know I bought a playdo earlier in the year.
I have NEVER had a car without a cargo barrier and wouldn't even consider it.
When I bought the playdo however, one reason was I planned to use it as a 7 seater.
This brought about a problem of being able to use the rear seats, but also have a cargo barrier installed.
I looked around, searched the net, made a heap of phone calls and nobody had a feasible solution.
What I wanted was a milford type cargo barrier that pivoted at the top brackets and could be swung up and locked to the ceiling when using the rear seats, then easily unlocked and pulled down after folding rear seats away.
It may seem weird, but how often do "soccer" families like mine, need to offer a few kids a ride, or take cousins home etc?
I can't be at a soccer field on a saturday afternoon pulling out a tool kit dismantling the cargo barrier, strapping it to the roof racks to give a kid a 4 minute ride home..............
Though I still don't have a decent solution I have put in a "bednet"
http://www.thebednet.com/pickups/ (http://www.thebednet.com/pickups/)
It's certainly not what I really want, but in the short term it is providing some safety for my family.
I also don't put anything other than the car fridge which is strapped down well to the floor, and have a space case for other loose stuff that gets strapped down as well.
I reckon at least having this net offers some security and can't understand why they aren't mandatory in all wagons?
The pathetic tie down nets or "screens" (read - cheap blinds) that come standard are useless.
I would also live to hear from anyone who has a better solution for me.
Cheers all,
Brian
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Firstly Treads, I would like to express how glad I am in ensuring your child was safely secured in the correct restraint. And yes, cargo barriers are a must, but lets not forget about the other heavy objects we sometimes forget we place in front of them.
But that said, what happened to driving to the conditions? What if a car came around the corner toward you and you had to veer left to avoid it? Were you aware of the condition of the whole road? Or just the bit you were driving on.
How about we all slow down a little bit and have a safe Christmas.
I apologize if I come across as a bit harsh, but as an ex interstate truck driver, I have seen more than my share or carnage on the road.
Have a safe and happy Christmas Treads, and I hope your arm heals well. It looks nasty.
Ummm, it's not me in the video mate ???
I also didn't post this for the superheros to pick apart the actions of the driver. Sometimes Shit happens to everyone and the point of my posting was to graphically display the benefits of properly fitted child restraints (even for older children) and the value of cargo barriers.
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As most of you know I bought a playdo earlier in the year.
I have NEVER had a car without a cargo barrier and wouldn't even consider it.
When I bought the playdo however, one reason was I planned to use it as a 7 seater.
This brought about a problem of being able to use the rear seats, but also have a cargo barrier installed.
I looked around, searched the net, made a heap of phone calls and nobody had a feasible solution.
What I wanted was a milford type cargo barrier that pivoted at the top brackets and could be swung up and locked to the ceiling when using the rear seats, then easily unlocked and pulled down after folding rear seats away.
It may seem weird, but how often do "soccer" families like mine, need to offer a few kids a ride, or take cousins home etc?
I can't be at a soccer field on a saturday afternoon pulling out a tool kit dismantling the cargo barrier, strapping it to the roof racks to give a kid a 4 minute ride home..............
Though I still don't have a decent solution I have put in a "bednet"
http://www.thebednet.com/pickups/ (http://www.thebednet.com/pickups/)
It's certainly not what I really want, but in the short term it is providing some safety for my family.
I also don't put anything other than the car fridge which is strapped down well to the floor, and have a space case for other loose stuff that gets strapped down as well.
I reckon at least having this net offers some security and can't understand why they aren't mandatory in all wagons?
The pathetic tie down nets or "screens" (read - cheap blinds) that come standard are useless.
I would also live to hear from anyone who has a better solution for me.
Cheers all,
Brian
Yeah its a common problem. Between 7 seater duties and my daughter deciding that she'd take up the double bass !!, my cargo barrier is in and out like a yoyo. Wish my cargo barrier at least folded in half.
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Ummm, it's not me in the video mate ???
I also didn't post this for the superheros to pick apart the actions of the driver. Sometimes **** happens to everyone and the point of my posting was to graphically display the benefits of properly fitted child restraints (even for older children) and the value of cargo barriers.
Thank you for that will go and check our kids restraints in the morning that just scared the kwap out of me in a good way.
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I can't comment on speed or causes of the accident, but I would to congratulate the driver for his calmness (after his initial reaction) and his focus on his son. His calm voice and caring tone would have reassured his son that all was okay. His son was very relaxed considering what he experienced. I hope I could be as focused in a roll over situation.
Another lesson to be learnt from this video - Don't Panic.
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It looks like he has simply gone slightly wide on the corner, onto the built up gravel, steered into the corner more, front tyre edges grip as they turn in, rears dont and begin a rear wheel skid. With crap power to weight he cant power out though he turns into the skid hitting the wipers on the way.
Unlucky bugger. Nothing to suggest much speed it only went over once. Good they were safe.
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It looks like he has simply gone slightly wide on the corner, onto the built up gravel, steered into the corner more, front tyre edges grip as they turn in, rears dont and begin a rear wheel skid. With crap power to weight he cant power out though he turns into the skid hitting the wipers on the way.
Unlucky bugger. Nothing to suggest much speed it only went over once. Good they were safe.
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Agreed
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good to see they got out safe
but why can't anyone accept responability for their actions and stop blaming someone else !
other cars drive on the road that has the supposed ' built up gravel and incorrect camber ' and they dont crash , accept that he made the mistake while driving
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good to see they got out safe
but why can't anyone accept responability for their actions and stop blaming someone else !
other cars drive on the road that has the supposed ' built up gravel and incorrect camber ' and they dont crash , accept that he made the mistake while driving
I think the fact that the vehicle ends up on its side is a hint that a mistake was made, but the reason behind it is an easy mistake to make IMO. Who hasn't driven along a gravel road and had an " it's a bit slippery there " moment?
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I think the fact that the vehicle ends up on its side is a hint that a mistake was made, but the reason behind it is an easy mistake to make IMO. Who hasn't driven along a gravel road and had an " it's a bit slippery there " moment?
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I agree .... but I accepted that I was going to fast for the conditions ... I didn't blame someone else for my actions ... just today's society I suppose , it always has to be someone else's fault , just got to find that someone ... lol
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I agree .... but I accepted that I was going to fast for the conditions ... I didn't blame someone else for my actions ... just today's society I suppose , it always has to be someone else's fault , just got to find that someone ... lol
i agree. i had a moment on a dirt road also - was driving that bit too fast and the back slid out. luckily i wasnt driving fast enough so that i couldnt recover it.
this guy was clearly driving 'too fast', but to be pc about it, i would say he wasnt driving 'defensively' for the conditions.
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Thanks for sharing.
A good reminder of being careful on the road.
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IJMO --- (Its just my opinion)
long version - IJMOIHNFQBWLTPITDSIOMO - (Its just my opinion I have no formal qualifications but would like to participate in the discussion so I offer my opinion)
Now that thats out of the way so I don't offend anyone.......................
As most of you know I bought a playdo earlier in the year.
I have NEVER had a car without a cargo barrier and wouldn't even consider it.
When I bought the playdo however, one reason was I planned to use it as a 7 seater.
This brought about a problem of being able to use the rear seats, but also have a cargo barrier installed.
I looked around, searched the net, made a heap of phone calls and nobody had a feasible solution.
What I wanted was a milford type cargo barrier that pivoted at the top brackets and could be swung up and locked to the ceiling when using the rear seats, then easily unlocked and pulled down after folding rear seats away.
It may seem weird, but how often do "soccer" families like mine, need to offer a few kids a ride, or take cousins home etc?
I can't be at a soccer field on a saturday afternoon pulling out a tool kit dismantling the cargo barrier, strapping it to the roof racks to give a kid a 4 minute ride home..............
Though I still don't have a decent solution I have put in a "bednet"
http://www.thebednet.com/pickups/ (http://www.thebednet.com/pickups/)
It's certainly not what I really want, but in the short term it is providing some safety for my family.
I also don't put anything other than the car fridge which is strapped down well to the floor, and have a space case for other loose stuff that gets strapped down as well.
I reckon at least having this net offers some security and can't understand why they aren't mandatory in all wagons?
The pathetic tie down nets or "screens" (read - cheap blinds) that come standard are useless.
I would also live to hear from anyone who has a better solution for me.
Cheers all,
Brian
Brian I have a 120 series and we have had a cargo barrier fitted. It is only in the car for trips as like you soccer mum duties are also required 90% of the time. Our name brand barrier has 4 oversize finger friendly bolt heads which makes it a less than 5 minute tool less job.
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Had a bit of a play with google maps (disatnce) and video time stamp.
Speed ballpark figure of 75-80 kph.
He may have missed the warning sign ..............yellow sign with arrow in the first bend warning of the upcoming bend to the right.
He blames the camber and build up of gravel.
Camber doesn't look too excessive, not all dirt roads have banked corners, the 2 previous corners had the same camber
build of gravel one the outside of a corner on dirt - of course.
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I spend a bit of time working in the road safety area (in fact you could say all my time is in the road safety area......or revenue raising depending on what you are driving ;D).
You don't have to have a lot of speed to have to much speed. No matter what else is happening, or what conditions you have to deal with, drop a little speed and all will probably be good.
We call it the "1 kay factor".
It could be as little as 1 km/h between driving home and landing on your lid.
Judging won't turn back time. Learn from this driver's mistake (we all make them, it's just that most of the time through shear luck we end up with a near miss, not a missed nearly), slow down a little more just in case and hopefully everyone will make it home for many Christmasses yet.
Peter
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So next time we all come up behind someone doing 95 in a 100 zone, lets not go off our brains and get cranky because the person in front is going too slow.
And to all the so-called 'professional' drivers out there, how about you get off the ar$se of that poor scared teenager displaying L-plates. i reckon I see it almost daily on the freeway.
And for those who get testy with slower-than-the-speed-limit drivers, I offer a scenario to consider:
You are living in the NT pre-2004 when there was no posted speed limit on the open highway. With no maximum allowable speed posted, how slow is too slow....?
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First lesson in driving on country roads, don't swerve for a roo, rabbit, wombat, or any other native wildlife.
:cheers:
ummm I disagree nothing like a good feed of roadkill and if you have to swerve to line wild life up for dinner then go for it
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I think it was setup for filming. Don't know what it is bit it doesn't sit right.
totally agree where was the boys ipad