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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: KeithB on December 17, 2013, 10:36:22 AM
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I am terrified of firearms of all kinds, probably because I have had no experience with them. But I find myself wondering how many Swaggers feel the need to carry some kind of firearm when they go traveling. If so, what type and for what reason? I am not against firearms or anything like that. Just curious.
Cheers
Keith
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sounds like you want an arge bargee, if they frighten you dont mention them , why not talk about the weather or camping then you can brush your hairs back down and get a warm fussy feeling ;D :police:
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i voted no and cannot see any reason to carry one when touring our great country........although i am a gunsmith by trade which was my employment many years ago
i don't particularly likes guns either and cannot shoot for nicks
over the XMAS a mate of mine has a clay target launcher which he is brinigng out to where we are camping for a day of fun shooting clays
no need for argee bargee though.......each to their own
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Don't currently carry any firearms, but grew up in a country community, been shooting heaps of times. Now have 2 sons and made sure they got the opportunity to fire a shotgun so that it wasn't a mystery.
They now both have a big respect for the destructive nature of firearms when used inappropriately. Local gun clubs used to have trial days. Not sure if still they case, but can recommend. Better to know than die wondering.
Still have a few mates who hunt, and therefore carry arms when camping.
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I have only carried a firearm a few times while camping, hunting purposes. On a regular basis for a few months, then the first time I didn't carry one a Wallaby slammed into the side of my truck and got its legs under the rear wheel.
Broken leg, I sadly had to end its life with an axe. Was the one time I really wished i had a fire arm wit me :'(
I let me shooters licence go a few years back, couldn't be bothered with the paperwork. I am going to get it again, the rabbit population is steadily building around here and I wouldn't mind a few for the pot.
Guns are about education, you learn right, there shouldn't be a problem.
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Option 5 should read : Combination of options 2,3,4 ...
A combination of 1,2,3 is a contradiction in itself ...
Cheers
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I've been shooting clay targets for more years than I care to recall and when we travel, sometimes I carry the shotgun (all locked away in the 4x4) and enough shotguns shells to compete in a two day event - probably 300 shells. Never had the need or idea of getting the gun out of the 4x4 unless at a gun club. Don't know if I'd carry the same if we were away for months at a time. Gents in blue may want to ask "why?" My 2c worth
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FNQ Bunyip,
You're right, I screwed up. Now I can't figure our how to fix it. Have asked the Big Jules. for help
Keith
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FNQ Bunyip,
You're right, I screwed up. Now I can't figure our how to fix it. Have asked the Big Jules. for help
Keith
All fixed
GG
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I'll go option 6 & 7.
Option 6 - carry firearm to go plinking/vermin destruction as a favour for landowner for allowing us to camp on his land.
Option 7 - carry firearm when working and camping :police:
;D
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I went the 5th option.........
I do quite a fair amount of remote travel and carry a firearm (.223) for several reasons,
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The law in WA (and other states I believe) state that if you hit an animal, you as the driver MUST contact the wildlife rescue mob. Now, if you're half way up the tanami or GCR or even half way to Broome, the wildlife rescue mob won't come out to you. They (or more than likely get you to) notify the police, who will attend and dispatch said animal. Now, being that some places can be hundreds of km from the nearest town that has a police station, the plods won't bother to attend or will take a day to get to you.
You then have only a couple of options,
Drive the injured critter to the nearest town that has a vet or wildlife rescue place (even if it's hundreds of km in the opposite direction).
Leave the critter to die a horrible death.
Try and bludgeon or use a knife to put it out of misery.
Dispatch it humanely and quickly with a rifle.
I'll go with the 4th option.
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As a survival rifle. if all goes pear shaped and help is days away, I can atleast shoot some tucker (if I run out).
3.
Yearling wild goat in the camp oven.....................mmmmmmmmmmmm..........yum............... 8)
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Despatching feral animals where allowed (to shoot).
The rifle lives in a locked gun cabinet built into my truck and the ammo and bolt is stored seperately.
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I don't carry one for a couple of reasons, but I would like to. Only for the 1 reason, for taking care of injured animals. I couldn't imagine anything worse than having to put something down with an axe or hammer. So far I haven't had to and hope I never have to, but I would prefer a firearm than something else.
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Last year on the Touareg forum the Americans had those of us living in the ROW as they quaintly call it ('rest of the world") chuckling in bemusement. There was a serious discussion on how to carry your concealed hand gun. Some had built special mechanisms in their centre consoles that would cause the gun to rise up when they lifted the lid! Just in case of ???
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Yeah, American gun culture is certainly different! Carrying a gun is seen as a right, not as an earnt privelage as it was in my family. You had to be seen as being responsible to carry as far as my dad was concerned. I earnt the right to use one at age 14.
From this age I have always worked on the assumption that if I get it out something is going to die, which meant you had to carefully consider the end result. Living on a farm meant there was always a reason for use. It's very hard to euthanise a favourite cow or horse I can tell you.
I only carry now when hunting game, and just got into the practice of not carrying whilst camping with the family. If I were travelling in remote areas for months I would think about making provisions to carry, but just for emergency situations.
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I'm terrified of them too! So concerned that one will claw it's way out of the safe, meet up with some of that pesky, trouble-making ammo and go off shooting innocent people....
(http://gaslamppost.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/laziest-shotgun-in-the-world.jpg)
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^^^^^^
:cup: :cheers:
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Now who on earth would answer this truthfully, on a friggin forum FCS. ???
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Most of my camping trips was for hunting. The firearm was locked away with a trigger lock on it. The bolt and ammo was locked away in a separate tool box. If you felt like a beer the firearms were made safe and locked away before the first beer was opened and that's where they stayed for the rest of the day. If it was a family camp the firearms stayed locked up at home. IMHO a knife is more dangerous than a firearm , because there is no way to unload a sharp knife so they stay locked up every trip.
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Last time I carried a firearm, two actually, was in Baghdad. But that was for 'work'. I see traveling around our great country in a CT as play so I have no need. But each to their own in a responsible way.
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Camping and hunting go hand in hand for me, I may or may not carry one depending on destination and legality of hunting in that area.
I have never felt the need to carry for self defense, nor found myself in a situation that would warrant it. The unfortunate reality as I understand the law is that if you were to use your legally owned firearm for self defense you *may* wind up running foul of the law yourself as there is no lawful reccognition of self defense as a reason for private gun ownership, and licenses are issued expressly for primary production, target shooting or hunting, so using it to back down or intimidate a would be assailant is a dicey proposition if you wish to continue to enjoy the sport.
I would be interested to hear what Treads and Tim's view of this scenario is....acknowledging it aint always clear cut and there are several shades of grey in those types of situations.
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Pistol shooter myself.
Currently awaiting my Cat H and PTA to come through on a Gen 3 Glock 17.
The hoops and legislation I have to jump through is BS.
I have to be a member of a pistol club for at least 6 months. Yea, fair enough.
Then their is a minimum 28 day cooling off period before they will even look at your licence. Christ, I just spent 6 months cooling off. It can take up to 3-6 months to process.
Imagine if it took 3-6 months to process your forklift, HR, drivers or motorbike license, after you have completed the formal period of 100 hours of driving as an example.
Shooters are fkd over for no reason.
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To the OP - What makes you 'terrified' of firearms?
Just curious of your train of thought.
You would have a 1000000 times more chance of being killed by a car when traveling or a snake or a dodgy meat pie or a plane falling out of the sky and landing on your car. Do these thing terrify you also?
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To the OP - What makes you 'terrified' of firearms?
Just curious of your train of thought.
You would have a 1000000 times more chance of being killed by a car when traveling or a snake or a dodgy meat pie or a plane falling out of the sky and landing on your car. Do these thing terrify you also?
In this country anyway…. and that may be something to do with most people's aversion to firearms.
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Camping and hunting go hand in hand for me, I may or may not carry one depending on destination and legality of hunting in that area.
I have never felt the need to carry for self defense, nor found myself in a situation that would warrant it. The unfortunate reality as I understand the law is that if you were to use your legally owned firearm for self defense you *may* wind up running foul of the law yourself as there is no lawful reccognition of self defense as a reason for private gun ownership, and licenses are issued expressly for primary production, target shooting or hunting, so using it to back down or intimidate a would be assailant is a dicey proposition if you wish to continue to enjoy the sport.
I would be interested to hear what Treads and Tim's view of this scenario is....acknowledging it aint always clear cut and there are several shades of grey in those types of situations.
"Self defence" may not justify buying a firearm in the eyes of the authorities but I think you are able to defend yourself with a degree of force one level above the level of the threat. If someone is throwing rocks or using their fists then shooting them is a bit over the top but would be justified if they were using a bladed weapon.
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"Self defence" may not justify buying a firearm in the eyes of the authorities but I think you are able to defend yourself with a degree of force one level above the level of the threat. If someone is throwing rocks or using their fists then shooting them is a bit over the top but would be justified if they were using a bladed weapon.
Fair call.
But if someone knows you have a firearm, that simple knowledge could be enough to make someone think twice about throwing rocks or using fists.
And on the other hand rocks can kill as well as fists can be used to beat people to death so I guess the severity would have to be taken into consideration.
I owned guns my whole life before moving here. And other than when I was in the armed forces I never felt I needed to carry a gun for self protection.
Bill
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Questions regarding personal protection when travelling the outback are amusing, other than an overhyped media and urban perception, statistically the "Wolf Creek" senario is more likely to happen in suburbia.
The reciprocal of this question from a rural perspective would be, "should I bring my shottie to the city for protection as numerous people get shot, bashed, murdered and raped every day"
No you will not need a firearm for protection.
It is also illegal in most states to have a loaded firearm on a public road.
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"Self defence" may not justify buying a firearm in the eyes of the authorities but I think you are able to defend yourself with a degree of force one level above the level of the threat. If someone is throwing rocks or using their fists then shooting them is a bit over the top but would be justified if they were using a bladed weapon.
Wise old Indian saying; 'Never go to a knife fight without a gun'
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To Homer_J and Patr8ol
The reason I am terrified of guns is a combination of lack of experience, lack of education and a knowledge of their power and the damage they can do. I have no objection to people legally carrying firearms and I can see many reasons why they would want to do so.
There have been a couple of rather angry and defensive posts on the subject, which I found puzzling. But all of the other replies have been very interesting.
By the way, firearms are not the only thing I am terrified of. I am also terrified of the tax man, small confined spaces, cancer and my wife's mother.
Cheers
Keith
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But if someone knows you have a firearm, that simple knowledge could be enough to make someone think twice about throwing rocks or using fists.
Damn right it'll make you think twice, you'll be thinking "wish I bought that AR15 when I had the opportunity". Honestly, if you think that having a firearm is necessary to deter physical one-on-one violence, then I'm not going anywhere near where you go camping.
This is cold war mentality.
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if 64% do not carry guns , 36 % must carry them. That is better than one in three carry guns, no doubt some people :police: :police: :police: will find this unacceptable so when all the bikes are in jail maybe we will be emptying our campers on the side of the road at the will of :police:. Talk about shooting ones self in the foot. ???
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To Homer_J and Patr8ol
The reason I am terrified of guns is a combination of lack of experience, lack of education and a knowledge of their power and the damage they can do. I have no objection to people legally carrying firearms and I can see many reasons why they would want to do so.
There have been a couple of rather angry and defensive posts on the subject, which I found puzzling. But all of the other replies have been very interesting.
By the way, firearms are not the only thing I am terrified of. I am also terrified of the tax man, small confined spaces, cancer and my wife's mother.
Cheers
Keith
Hey Keith, I'm not a shooter and don't like guns either. Redneck logic would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous.
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How about adding the option would like to carry gun but can't justify the licence require being a
law abiding citizen. Now if I was a criminal I would just obtain one.
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"Self defence" may not justify buying a firearm in the eyes of the authorities but I think you are able to defend yourself with a degree of force one level above the level of the threat. If someone is throwing rocks or using their fists then shooting them is a bit over the top but would be justified if they were using a bladed weapon.
The big legal problem you would have to get over to try and use the justification of self defence is when you were threatened, assaulted etc, where was the firearm? It should have been locked away secure in your vehicle. After being assaulted if you go and get your firearm for self defence, it shows your intention is not self defence but revenge or retribution.
But if someone knows you have a firearm, that simple knowledge could be enough to make someone think twice about throwing rocks or using fists.
And on the other hand rocks can kill as well as fists can be used to beat people to death so I guess the severity would have to be taken into consideration.
I owned guns my whole life before moving here. And other than when I was in the armed forces I never felt I needed to carry a gun for self protection.
Bill
Again with your firearm secured in your vehicle,who is going to know you have a firearm?
there are pros and cons for having a firearm while camping, but you are still covered by your states authorities on the 'use' and safe storage of the firearm. You store it in a secure place and only remove it from the secure place when you are lawfully going to use it. Self defence is not a lawfully reason to have or use a firearm.
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My family and I all shoot pistols and have for 16 years, the kids less as they are only allowed to get their handgun licences at age 11 in Queensland, they are 14 and 15 now.
As already correctly mentioned above, in Australia self defense is not a lawful reason for using a firearm, I often get asked by friends "what would I do if I was at the servo on the way to the pistol club or on the way home from the club (1 of very few lawful reasons I'm allowed to have the hand guns with me) when I've got a box full of guns and the servo was getting held up?"
The answer is the same as everyone, call the cops and get yourself and every one else away from the situation if possible + very importantly make sure you do the best you can to stop anyone realising you have firearms in the vehicle.
If no one knows you have them then you don't have to make any difficult decisions if they tried to take them off you.
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If no one knows you have them then you don't have to make any difficult decisions if they tried to take them off you.
What? You don't have a large 'Winchester' sticker on the back window of the ute :)
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Self defence is not a lawfully reason to have or use a firearm.
Unless you are some shade of police officer and therefore more needy of self defense capability than we, the great unwashed. Perchance I am mistaken, can anyone on here offer an alternative opinion as to why they permitted to carry weapons?
What I find concerning, however, is the lack of basic skill and judgement demonstrated by some LE officers' handling of weapons, eg recognizing the difference between a Taser and a Glock in your hands before opening up on a target. They paint 'em bright yellow for a reason, officer!
There are many Glocks in the hands of people who are barely capable of using them on the range, let alone under stress! I am just as scared of them as the lunatic fringe.
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Owning and using a firearm for self Defence or protection of your property is not an adequate reason.
.........but armed guards protect our politicians and the banks money ???
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I am just saying, Self defence is not a lawfully reason to have or use a firearm.
Police, while on duty are exempt from the laws surrounding firearms and come under their own Acts about the use of their firearms. Remember Police are human too and like some are just as scared of firearms as others, while others are quite used to firearms. If they have to use a firearm I wouldn't want to be there either.
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What? You don't have a large 'Winchester' sticker on the back window of the ute :)
hehe, I would love to..........but that actually contravenes the Weapons Act, they do mention that a vehicle or container used to hold firearms is not allowed to show anything that may attribute it to the transporting or securing of that equipment.
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Unless you are some shade of police officer and therefore more needy of self defense capability than we, the great unwashed. Perchance I am mistaken, can anyone on here offer an alternative opinion as to why they permitted to carry weapons?
What I find concerning, however, is the lack of basic skill and judgement demonstrated by some LE officers' handling of weapons, eg recognizing the difference between a Taser and a Glock in your hands before opening up on a target. They paint 'em bright yellow for a reason, officer!
There are many Glocks in the hands of people who are barely capable of using them on the range, let alone under stress! I am just as scared of them as the lunatic fringe.
We have a winner for the most useless post of the year, a fairly sound effort considering there are only 13 odd days to go.Police are allowed the carriage of firearms through common law and their use is governed through Police Service Handbook, Part A, arms and appointments ( in NSW ) . Can you please let the rest of us know in what capacity you have witnessed this "lack of basic skill and judgement" also whist I'm here, police don't open up on targets they address threats......and thanks for the heads up on the Conductive Electrical Weapon being yellow ( Taser is a brand after all ), I know myself among others here may have missed that :-*
As for the original post, I believe firearms have there place, just not in the back of a CT and Tug loaded with kids on a camping trip.
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Disco teddy
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Damn right it'll make you think twice, you'll be thinking "wish I bought that AR15 when I had the opportunity". Honestly, if you think that having a firearm is necessary to deter physical one-on-one violence, then I'm not going anywhere near where you go camping.
This is cold war mentality.
I never said I thought it was neccessary, I said it may deter, big diffeance
You can camp right next to me as I have not even touched (let alone own) a firearm since moving to Australia 13 years ago.
I do own a compound bow but it only goes with me on hunting trips.
Bill
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It seems this is going the way of the Electrical Section.............. >:D
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A few years ago a croc entered a tent of people sleeping at Cape Melville a pistol was used to shoot the croc after an older lady jumped on its back to stop the croc.
Where they camped , fishermen used to throw their fish scraps in the water so when these people set up camp the croc came back around.
Yes why did they set up so close to the waters edge and why was someone carrying a pistol in a national park. A lot of people wrote into the local paper asking that question and it was answered by the police saying the person with the pistol was licensed and it was ok.
It saved a persons life so that was a good thing but I suppose everyone will have an opinion.
Mark
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I think some need to read the Act in relation to " Justifiable Homicide" which is what the police, security guards come under as well as the average citizen also has to comply with. We don't want to end up like America, surely
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I don't need guns, i'm an expert :cup: in the ancient and mostly unkown Scottish Martial Art called "Farrrquu"...... ;D
This little known Martial Art mainly involves becoming intoxicated and head butting. The name Farrrquu came about as this phrase is generally exhaled by the artist just before the mayhem is unleashed.......... then once the opponent is grounded the traditional aspect of Farrrquu, commonly known as "Glasgow Folk Dancing" comes into play......... this is preferably done in heavy boots, up and down the opponents rib cage, it looks better if one of your mates can break out some celebratory fiddle playing or some feisty bagpipes during this section............. ahh it's a beautiful thing!! :cheers:
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I don't need guns, i'm an expert :cup: in the ancient and mostly unkown Scottish Martial Art called "Farrrquu"...... ;D
This little known Martial Art mainly involves becoming intoxicated and head butting. The name Farrrquu came about as this phrase is generally exhaled by the artist just before the mayhem is unleashed.......... then once the opponent is grounded the traditional aspect of Farrrquu, commonly known as "Glasgow Folk Dancing" comes into play......... this is preferably done in heavy boots, up and down the opponents rib cage, it looks better if one of your mates can break out some celebratory fiddle playing or some feisty bagpipes during this section............. ahh it's a beautiful thing!! :cheers:
I've heard of this but I remember some reference to distant coughing or a "far cough" ;D ;D :cup:
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this post has gone from being terrified of guns to justifable homicide , should of went down the sink first up, lets go camping
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I've heard of this but I remember some reference to distant coughing or a "far cough" ;D ;D :cup:
Ahh Lino6.... i can tell by your profile pic that you too are a practising member of the fighting art. ;D
Yes my brother in arms, your recollection of the "Far Cough" call has some merit, "Far Cough" is sometimes, but not so favourably used when one is trying to persuade his aggressor to reconsider his actions, if this fails then one has no other option but to go with the Farrrquu method.
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you are able to defend yourself with a degree of force one level above the level of the threat
Fallacy mate, the law surrounding self defense says that a person may defend them self using a force that is reasonable, and proportionate to the threat (or very similar words) and goes on to say that the force can be applied to subdue that threat and prevent its reasonably foreseeable recurrence.
There are a number of myths around self defense, the one up rule, the reflex response........all crapola.
The other dilemma is that reasonable and proportionate are not defined specifically in the acts, they are determined by the circumstances in each case, according to the reasonable person test............would a reasonable person conclude your actions unavoidable and justifiable.
The other keystone to self defense is having no other choice, if withdrawal is an option, rather than pounding your attacker into the pavement/drawing a gun etc, then the law would expect you to withdraw and show a willingness to not fight, the defense of "self defense" comes into play when you have no other option.
I am neither a police officer or lawyer, I have taught self defense for 20 years, and have instructed a number of professional groups, mostly in healthcare on the legal framework for self defense and how to respond to aggression and violence.
If I have any of this R-sup I am sure one of the coppers or lawyers on here will correct me, but I am fairly confident that the basic principals I have outlined are accurate.
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Fallacy mate, the law surrounding self defense says that a person may defend them self using a force that is reasonable, and proportionate to the threat (or very similar words) and goes on to say that the force can be applied to subdue that threat and prevent its reasonably foreseeable recurrence.
There are a number of myths around self defense, the one up rule, the reflex response........all crapola.
The other dilemma is that reasonable and proportionate are not defined specifically in the acts, they are determined by the circumstances in each case, according to the reasonable person test............would a reasonable person conclude your actions unavoidable and justifiable.
The other keystone to self defense is having no other choice, if withdrawal is an option, rather than pounding your attacker into the pavement/drawing a gun etc, then the law would expect you to withdraw and show a willingness to not fight, the defense of "self defense" comes into play when you have no other option.
I am neither a police officer or lawyer, I have taught self defense for 20 years, and have instructed a number of professional groups, mostly in healthcare on the legal framework for self defense and how to respond to aggression and violence.
If I have any of this R-sup I am sure one of the coppers or lawyers on here will correct me, but I am fairly confident that the basic principals I have outlined are accurate.
Thanks for the info. I think I was confused with the police approach where "walk away" is not always an option.
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Ahh Lino6.... i can tell by your profile pic that you too are a practising member of the fighting art. ;D
Yes my brother in arms, your recollection of the "Far Cough" call has some merit, "Far Cough" is sometimes, but not so favourably used when one is trying to persuade his aggressor to reconsider his actions, if this fails then one has no other option but to go with the Farrrquu method.
Totally agree :cup:
How is the haunting tones after the event when all that can be head at the murmurs of the witnesses of the distant trench or "far canal". You know an epic battle has happened when that wa cry is heard... ;D
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This is starting to sound like a plot of an Austin Powers movie.
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G;'day Discoteddy,
Can you please let the rest of us know in what capacity you have witnessed this "lack of basic skill and judgement"
One personal episode that comes to mind (and you will probably say"so what", but it points towards a basic lack of aptitude):
several years ago I had to, on many occasions, carry police out to remote communities by air. It was both the company's and my policy that the weapon travel with me under the seat up front. One morning a young officer (probo I guess/hope) came in and offered up the cased tactical tupperware for safekeeping. As usual I asked whether the pistol was unloaded and safe. The answer (verbatim): "Oh yeah, I removed the bolt."
The what? "The bolt"
It's a Glock isn't it? It doesn't have a bolt. "Oh, you know, the barrel thing"
You mean the slide and barrel? "Yeah, that's it!"
Ohhhkkaaayyyy...........
Bear in mind that this officer, just out of the academy, may have been as proficient in handgun use as they were ever likely to be. >:(
When confronted across the kitchen of a house by a man with a knife: yelling "taser, taser, taser!" and promptly putting a bullet in the suspect shows a definite lack of something.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't like to put up with the cr*p they get for any money, but let's not kid ourselves, there is no law written that says they are held responsible for protecting us from those that want to do us harm.
In more practical terms, it gets a bit sporty around my neighbourhood sometimes; have you tried 000 lately? Last time I tried the drunk/psycho guy with the knife was long gone by the time they arrived. By the time they get there with their pistols/Tasers it may be well and truly over, so best consider making your own arrangements.
And always remember that when arguing self defense, the jury will take notice of the most reliable witness still available to give evidence. :angel:
Anyway, I'm out ;D
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I don't need guns, i'm an expert :cup: in the ancient and mostly unkown Scottish Martial Art called "Farrrquu"...... ;D
This little known Martial Art mainly involves becoming intoxicated and head butting. The name Farrrquu came about as this phrase is generally exhaled by the artist just before the mayhem is unleashed.......... then once the opponent is grounded the traditional aspect of Farrrquu, commonly known as "Glasgow Folk Dancing" comes into play......... this is preferably done in heavy boots, up and down the opponents rib cage, it looks better if one of your mates can break out some celebratory fiddle playing or some feisty bagpipes during this section............. ahh it's a beautiful thing!! :cheers:
When you mention Scottish Martial Art I automatically thought of something else
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G;'day Discoteddy,
One personal episode that comes to mind (and you will probably say"so what", but it points towards a basic lack of aptitude):
several years ago I had to, on many occasions, carry police out to remote communities by air. It was both the company's and my policy that the weapon travel with me under the seat up front. One morning a young officer (probo I guess/hope) came in and offered up the cased tactical tupperware for safekeeping. As usual I asked whether the pistol was unloaded and safe. The answer (verbatim): "Oh yeah, I removed the bolt."
The what? "The bolt"
It's a Glock isn't it? It doesn't have a bolt. "Oh, you know, the barrel thing"
You mean the slide and barrel? "Yeah, that's it!"
Ohhhkkaaayyyy...........
Bear in mind that this officer, just out of the academy, may have been as proficient in handgun use as they were ever likely to be. >:(
When confronted across the kitchen of a house by a man with a knife: yelling "taser, taser, taser!" and promptly putting a bullet in the suspect shows a definite lack of something.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't like to put up with the cr*p they get for any money, but let's not kid ourselves, there is no law written that says they are held responsible for protecting us from those that want to do us harm.
In more practical terms, it gets a bit sporty around my neighbourhood sometimes; have you tried 000 lately? Last time I tried the drunk/psycho guy with the knife was long gone by the time they arrived. By the time they get there with their pistols/Tasers it may be well and truly over, so best consider making your own arrangements.
And always remember that when arguing self defense, the jury will take notice of the most reliable witness still available to give evidence. :angel:
Anyway, I'm out ;D
Sorry t303 but you may have seen this coming, so what!
Firstly I apologise to the OP for the direction this thread has taken, but I feel compelled to address the points you have raised .
Your contact with the police officer on the plane obviously had a profound effect on you, it takes several years of training for people to remember verbatim conversation, especially several years later. I would be interested to hear what state this occurred in, as to my knowledge, general duties police in NSW have never been issued with the Glock supplied plastic case ( tactical Tupperware ?) It would appear from your recollection that the officer has potentially misrepresented the firearms nomenclature , although it appears that you were satisfied that the weapon had been rendered safe. I'm unaware of any police force in Australia that does this by removing the barrel and slide from the receiver although I may be wrong?
Taser, Taser, Taser in the kitchen. I'm unaware of the incident to which this refers . CEW/Taser was implemented as a "less than lethal tactical option". Most Australian CEW/Taser training that I am aware of in no way suggests that CEW is appropriate when confronted with edged weapons. Although I have read incidents of "body alarm reaction" we're police/military personnel have reacted to threat targets in this manner.
And yes there are laws written holding law enforcement personnel accountable whilst protecting society, in NSW it's called LEPRA, it also covers every other mug in the state.
I won't comment on the neighbourhood that you live in or your inference that your evidence will be the last/only evidence heard at a hearing of self defence other than to say I'm sure the poor pistol/CEW carrying coppers first problem when attending your area was working out who to protect who from :angel:
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Disco teddy
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When you mention Scottish Martial Art I automatically thought of something else
The Goodies- Ecky Thump (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJxGi8bizEg#)
After just watching this vid you posted, i would have to say that this relates to a far more sophisticated and disciplined art than the one i speak of ;D