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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: CampAround on December 07, 2013, 04:44:27 PM
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Looking at the option of upgrading the wife's Mazda 3 to a seven seater option. The car will be used for taking kids to school/ wife's work, and standard family taxi duties. The off weekend away with camper in tow for inroad only might be an option if it's suitable.
Looking at kluger or territory. The captives are value for money but too many bad reviews.
Looking at auto, probably in petrol.
Anyway speaking from experience with these or it here comparable options?
Ps Prado cruiser etc are too big for the wife.
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Kia’s Rondo SLi diesel ($36,490) is another surprise packet, scoring because of its 5+2 cabin flexibility, strong 1.7-litre turbo diesel and the Australianisation work that goes into all Kias. It has limited boot space with seven seats in place but that’s the only flaw. Otherwise its almost infinitely variable load and seating configurations make it a best friend for the suburban family prepared to look beyond the inevitable, but vastly less efficient, SUV.
“It’s a cross between a wagon and an SUV, which is a good thing. It’s a great advertisement for the flexibility of a people-mover,” says Neil Dowling. “Not a true seven-seater,” says Chris Gable.
http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-news/vw_golf_mark_vii_is_2013_car_of_the_year_80618_20131205 (http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-news/vw_golf_mark_vii_is_2013_car_of_the_year_80618_20131205)
KB
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We have a Kluger and I love it. Hubby has just taken 6 kids to the park and it's times like those we appreciate the 7 seat option. Not overly petrol thirsty and we tow our CT easily. Also great for around town as not too big and bulky to drive.
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I have had a 2011 Kluger and now a 2013 KX-R FWD 7 seater. Tows my 1.6T jayco Swan well ( with a wdh). Plenty of power, comfy, well equipped, and returns under 13/100 towing around 10.5 around town. BIL has a late model territory and also has had no problems, the kluger has more interior space.
Swannie
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X2 kluger
:cheers:
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FYI - Prado is the same size as a Kluger, in fact the Kluger is larger inside...
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We have the diesel grand carnival. Not what you asked about but it's sensational for 3+ Kids. Electric sliding doors with remote. Massive boot and the diesel is easily powerful enough to tow the camper when we need it too. Worth a look if you are frequently taking more kids and want a big boot
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Hi
I own 05 kluger Grande
Im really wrapped in mine
Toyota's warranty is better than any other brand
but get the lastest model you can afford
later models tend to more fuel effecient
Rob
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FYI - Prado is the same size as a Kluger, in fact the Kluger is larger inside...
I was afraid someone would say that. They just don't look at big. Don't get me wrong I love the Pharos but its not my car and wife halo be happy. The klugers are very impressive inside for space.
Plus we don't need the extra expense of a another 4wd as I have a hilux for longer trips.
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We have the diesel grand carnival. Not what you asked about but it's sensational for 3+ Kids. Electric sliding doors with remote. Massive boot and the diesel is easily powerful enough to tow the camper when we need it too. Worth a look if you are frequently taking more kids and want a big boot
Cheers mate. We are after more of a wagon / SUV then a van.
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Hi
I own 05 kluger Grande
Im really wrapped in mine
Toyota's warranty is better than any other brand
but get the lastest model you can afford
later models tend to more fuel effecient
Rob
There isn't much value in second hand ATM when I can get a new klugers for $40k. Searching for a good used car is too time consuming for me at this point in time. In a more stress free state of mind I'd have no issues searching for the right second hand car.
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Kia’s Rondo SLi diesel ($36,490) is another surprise packet, scoring because of its 5+2 cabin flexibility, strong 1.7-litre turbo diesel and the Australianisation work that goes into all Kias. It has limited boot space with seven seats in place but that’s the only flaw. Otherwise its almost infinitely variable load and seating configurations make it a best friend for the suburban family prepared to look beyond the inevitable, but vastly less efficient, SUV.
“It’s a cross between a wagon and an SUV, which is a good thing. It’s a great advertisement for the flexibility of a people-mover,” says Neil Dowling. “Not a true seven-seater,” says Chris Gable.
http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-news/vw_golf_mark_vii_is_2013_car_of_the_year_80618_20131205 (http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-news/vw_golf_mark_vii_is_2013_car_of_the_year_80618_20131205)
KB
Interesting model. Not really what I'm looking for as it doesn't appear to have any leg room from that video. But worth a look in the flesh at least.
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Bloke at work has one of these. He loves it.
http://www.dodge.com.au/vehicles/journey (http://www.dodge.com.au/vehicles/journey)
I think a version is available with the Fiat diesel now (no,it appears not) , as well as Fiat badged ones (that do seem to offer a diesel).
http://www.fiat.com.au/news/275-the-fiat-freemont-2013-is-australias-most-affordable-mid-size-suv (http://www.fiat.com.au/news/275-the-fiat-freemont-2013-is-australias-most-affordable-mid-size-suv)
They look shmick.
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http://www.fiat.com.au/news/275-the-fiat-freemont-2013-is-australias-most-affordable-mid-size-suv (http://www.fiat.com.au/news/275-the-fiat-freemont-2013-is-australias-most-affordable-mid-size-suv)
mates missus bought one of the new Fiats 2 weeks ago. She does tarot cards and essential oils .. so yes, shes out there..
Personally it looks cheap inside and horrible outside.. but that's just me :(
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Just thought I would list the alternatives
Mitsubishi Outlander -- As your looking at the 7 seater that's about $37000 -- Comes in both Diesel and Petrol with auto options and the 7 seater option are in the 4WD versions by the look of it.
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/vehicles/outlander (http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/vehicles/outlander) -- pricing seems reasonable
Honda Odyssey -- About $38000 On Road -- Probably the nicest looking people mover on the market IMO -- only in 2WD, but if you are only using the vehicle on road only this could be a nice selection and the pricing is not too bad.
http://odyssey.honda.com.au/ (http://odyssey.honda.com.au/)
Proton Exora -- Very sharp pricing (about $26000 On the road) and 5 years free servicing , 5 years road side assist, 5 years warranty
http://www.protonexora.com.au/ (http://www.protonexora.com.au/) 2WD only -- on road only -- Don't know a lot about these, but at it's price it could be a winner.
Mahindra XUV500 -- About $30000 In Diesel and Manual only (Might be off your list as it's a manual only option) http://www.carpoint.com.au/used-cars/MAHINDRA/XUV500/model-make.htm (http://www.carpoint.com.au/used-cars/MAHINDRA/XUV500/model-make.htm) comes in 4WD and 2WD version -- Probably the cheapest with AWD ability, that's if you like to do something offroad, may be towing.
Ssangyong Stavic -- About $30000 -- was voted the most ugly vehicle at one stage -- but they appeared to have fixed that now by the look of it now.. Could be a good option if you want a lot or room http://www.ssangyong.com.au/showroom/stavic (http://www.ssangyong.com.au/showroom/stavic) 2WD only -- It could be a bit large, but your kids will love the extra room.
Kia Carnival -- About $40000 -- When looking this one up, I was a bit surprised about expensive it was http://www.kia.com.au/showroom/grand-carnival (http://www.kia.com.au/showroom/grand-carnival)
:cheers:
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The base fiat is also about 27k on road, so pretty good value. 10k lest than the dodge.
A few others:
http://theage.drive.com.au/new-car-comparison/nissan-pathfinder-st-2wd-v-mazda-cx9-head-to-head-20131205-2yryv.html (http://theage.drive.com.au/new-car-comparison/nissan-pathfinder-st-2wd-v-mazda-cx9-head-to-head-20131205-2yryv.html)
I think if it was my choice the Kruger would be the go.
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hyundai santa fe ?
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The base fiat is also about 27k on road, so pretty good value. 10k lest than the dodge.
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The "All New Pathfinder" starting price is about $43,693 for the 2wd version
http://www.nissan.com.au/Cars-Vehicles/New-Pathfinder/Range-and-Pricing (http://www.nissan.com.au/Cars-Vehicles/New-Pathfinder/Range-and-Pricing)
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The "All New Pathfinder" starting price is about $43,693 for the 2wd version
http://www.nissan.com.au/Cars-Vehicles/New-Pathfinder/Range-and-Pricing (http://www.nissan.com.au/Cars-Vehicles/New-Pathfinder/Range-and-Pricing)
saw one of them on the road the other day.. talk about a shopping trolley!
have a look at that link, tell me that's not a Mazda CX9 from side on ... RIP 4wds.
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Wow, we just bought a Kluger in September this year. The best fuel economy I have got is 14l per 100km not towing just around town. I hope it drops back to the fuel economy everyone else is claiming. It is a nice car though but the cook has already got 2 speeding tickets in it as it does get up and go when you ask it to.
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We sold my wife Astra and bought the patrol. She had never driving a 4wd or anything larger than an Astra. She dealt with it and can throw this thing around shopping center carparks better than most blokes driving their gay gti golf. It was either that or she walked to work lol.
Just kidding sweetheart. Love you
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Pajero Preloved Oiler . 2 0r 3 years old . Let somebody else take the bath on the devaluation -of screwing on the number plates . Remember it don't gots to be New to be New :cheers:
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Have a relative that just purchased a new captiva, great looking car and noice to drive, but if I had the extra $$$ to spend I would go the Kluger
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Isuzu have launched the MU-X I have not seen one yet so cannot give any sort of review but if they are anything like the utes should go ok
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Not quite sure how kluger or territory aren't to big, when a prado is. I thought the kluger I've been in, and the territory I've driven were huge. The captiva we had wasn't anywhere near as big, but it's gone now replaced by a pathfinder (previous model) due to niggling electricals and not enough space behind the rear seats when occupied.
If you are looking at using the seven seats regularly think about how much space you will need to cart gear around when the third row is occupied. We couldn't fit a stroller in the captiva, but it comfortably fits in the pathfinder.
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My vote Ssangyong...................be a leper like the rest of us ;D
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I'd also look at a Pajero.
Same size, great value and good off road.
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A new or second handChallenger (still compact but huge boot and space- almost like a Tardis :D) or a preloved Paj. Amazing value, great at towing and you will have the ability to go a little bit further than the other lighter duty options. The owner of the Captiva I recovered up on Teewah beach recently regretted not buying a car that could be a bit more adventurous.
Matt
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Isuzu have launched the MU-X I have not seen one yet so cannot give any sort of review but if they are anything like the utes should go ok
I believe that will be Isuzu's version of the Holden Colorado 7 or vice versa --
Pricing up the base version of the Holden Colorado 7, it comes at a touch over $51000 --
Looking at the Holden Colorado 7, it does appear to be a 4WD with Hi-Lo Range, which is a good thing if one want's to do off road stuff.
I can't see that the Isuzu's version will be that much different price, but one can hope ;) .
Just another vehicle to add to the list
Something a bit funky and I am bit surprised at the price, that is a Citron c4 Picasso at $37500 on road
http://www.citroen.com.au/citroen-special-offers/c-line/citron-grand-c4-picasso (http://www.citroen.com.au/citroen-special-offers/c-line/citron-grand-c4-picasso)
Review at http://www.themotorreport.com.au/56821/2014-citroen-grand-c4-picasso-revealed (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/56821/2014-citroen-grand-c4-picasso-revealed).
Peugeot 5008 -- that appears at about the same price
http://www.peugeot.com.au/showroom/5008/7-seat-wagon/ (http://www.peugeot.com.au/showroom/5008/7-seat-wagon/)
You know asking a forum about 7 seater vehicles will lead to nothing but confusion :D
:cheers:
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Not quite sure how kluger or territory aren't to big, when a prado is. I thought the kluger I've been in, and the territory I've driven were huge. The captiva we had wasn't anywhere near as big, but it's gone now replaced by a pathfinder (previous model) due to niggling electricals and not enough space behind the rear seats when occupied.
If you are looking at using the seven seats regularly think about how much space you will need to cart gear around when the third row is occupied. We couldn't fit a stroller in the captiva, but it comfortably fits in the pathfinder.
They just don't look as big and onerous from the outside I guess. Might be a differant story from the driver's seats. The prado is also more car then she needs, such as we don't need 2nd 4wd and with it comes the higher price. Staying under $40k is appealing.
Seven seats will be used regularly for school drops so will need to be able to fit schools and wife's teacher kit as well (she's always transporting some tub with resources)
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Thanks for all of the replies so far. So many more options then I first realised. But if we are to start looking through dealers yards I'd probably limit the search to an SUV and not something that looks like a stretch hatch back. I'm also not keen on the European cars as I fear servicing costs could get out of hand. I also know that Honda and Mazda parts are ridiculously overpriced.
The Isuzu would be worth looking at but not if its priced in line the Colorado. The outlander I don't mind from pictures.
It's easy to say buy second hand but harder to find a decent unit. In the past when I've looked at near new (1-3 year old) cars in yards the savings just didn't add up.
I already have a hilux. Might not be as capable off road as prado etc but more then enough for what we are starting to venture into. No need for another 4wd.
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Nissan Dualis+2 might be another option.
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Don't know anything about these but it has 7 seats
http://www.mahindra.com.au/auto/en_AU/product/xuv500/specifications (http://www.mahindra.com.au/auto/en_AU/product/xuv500/specifications)
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I believe that will be Isuzu's version of the Holden Colorado 7 or vice versa --
Pricing up the base version of the Holden Colorado 7, it comes at a touch over $51000 --
Looking at the Holden Colorado 7, it does appear to be a 4WD with Hi-Lo Range, which is a good thing if one want's to do off road stuff.
I can't see that the Isuzu's version will be that much different price, but one can hope ;) .
:cheers:
Isuzu no longer supply engines for the Holden's Colorado ute or wagon and haven't done since 2011 and this was one of the things that swayed us in our purchase in 2010 as we had been told this would occur (by a holden dealer) we both have had Isuzu engines in vehicles in the past and been happy with them. But as I said I haven't seen or driven the wagon, a google search finds a video review at the bottom of that says 4x4 price will be around $45,600 plus on roads so I guess it depends if they are willing to do some dealing. If you pre register your interest you get $1,000 worth of accessories I am not sure how long that is for. Good luck with your choice.
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They just don't look as big and onerous from the outside I guess. Might be a differant story from the driver's seats. The prado is also more car then she needs, such as we don't need 2nd 4wd and with it comes the higher price. Staying under $40k is appealing.
Seven seats will be used regularly for school drops so will need to be able to fit schools and wife's teacher kit as well (she's always transporting some tub with resources)
Fair enough, I found the Captiva felt compact to drive as well as looking much more compact.
Tubs of resources sounds like us too!
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kia Sorrento .... :cup:
wejust got the 2013 model ..very good car ..we got the diesel .... all the bells and whistles
check em out ...good deas to be had
cheers mick
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If you don't need a second 4x4 then I would suggest you look at a used Santa Fe.
Bron has one and I'm very impressed with it. 7 seat configuration, heaps of room and very well appointed.
And it 'turns on a sixpence'.
Also tows well on the black top.
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If you don't need a second 4x4 then I would suggest you look at a used Santa Fe.
Bron has one and I'm very impressed with it. 7 seat configuration, heaps of room and very well appointed.
And it 'turns on a sixpence'.
Also tows well on the black top.
Wife worked for a rental car company, this vehicle had a 'bulletproof' reputation.
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What year model have you got b&b?
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hyundi and kia ...same same but different ;D
2.2 diesel ...tows my camper easily
cheers mick
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Why do you say that sunshine?
I know from what I've read both manufacturers have come a long way. And their cars are starting to stand out on the road
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I just recently purchased the kia Sorrento and couldn't be happier :cup:
they are in the running for car of the year suv under $40k
do ya self a favour
cheers mick
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What year model have you got b&b?
2007 Build, 2008 model.
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If your using 7 seats then you can totally forget Prado at least in 150 guise, there is just room for the mallee tracks with a 7 seats, let alone a backpack or 5.
Most when we were looking were the same but the 7 seats aren't needed for us so wasn't an issue
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Go the 80 Series Landcruiser!! 8 seats. Room left over for luggage. Bullet and kid proof. And, if you measure it, slightly smaller in outside dimensions and less weight than a current Prado. Go figure.
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If you don't need another 4WD then how about a People Mover in Best cars the HYUNDAI iMAX CRDi was rated best followed by the Prius V (???) and the Peugeot 5008
http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/racv/internet/auxiliary/news+_+events/royalauto/motoring/articles/people+mover+class+2013 (http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/racv/internet/auxiliary/news+_+events/royalauto/motoring/articles/people+mover+class+2013)
http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/e23b06d8-52aa-493b-adaa-05968096ba01/People+Movers.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=e23b06d8-52aa-493b-adaa-05968096ba01 (http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/e23b06d8-52aa-493b-adaa-05968096ba01/People+Movers.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=e23b06d8-52aa-493b-adaa-05968096ba01)
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Santa Fe would be a sweet pick.
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