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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Footy Shorts Shane on November 26, 2013, 02:33:44 PM
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A few years ago there were stories of cars being defected on trailers as they left a race track here in Qld. "Apparantly" as they left the track, on trailers, they were pulled over and defected for items like tyres, nitrous oxide etc, as they were registered and had the plates on them. Initially I called bull****. If it's on a truck or trailer, surely it's classed as a load, not a vehicle. However, if it is registered, possibly it should be in a road worthy condition if the plates are fitted?
I take cars like this to the track almost monthly as part of my work, so this obviously interested me. So I called the local police station, explained what apparently happened and asked if the vehicle can be defected on a trailer. First guy say's "Dunno. I'll ask my Boss." Comes back with "He dunno either. Call Maroochy Station." So I called them. Again NFI. "Call Brisbane." So I did. Same story there, NFI. They gave me the number to such and such a dept.
So I call this dept, again no one knew. Ended up talking to their Boss. Explained the situation for the 65'th time and he say's, "What sort of arsehole would do that?" I PMSL. Anyhow, he had no idea either, asked me for my name and number and said he'd call me back. Yeah right I thought.
But, 2 days later he did. And in the end, no it couldn't be defected as it was not on the road or footpath etc. Cool, I was happy with that.
Soooooo, my question is, has this changed recently (in Qld) as I know a local bloke up the road here, had two members of the QPS recently walk in to his workshop and defect a vehicle for illegal modifications. There's no if's or but's, it had been extensively modified and not mod plated. But it wasn't on the road, wasn't being driven, sitting in his workshop.
If I modify a vehicle for a customer, throw it on the truck to get some paint work, trim etc done, take it to the Engineer for him to look at, whatever, all before the mod plate being issued, can I now be defected? If so, under these new laws, can that persons vehicle be impounded? Surely it can't be, can it ???
Do any members here know if that is the case? Or if not, can they point me in the right direction to find out without going through all ^^^^^^ that crap again? Who do I call?
Shane.
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If I modify a vehicle for a customer, throw it on the truck to get some paint work, trim etc done, take it to the Engineer for him to look at, whatever, all before the mod plate being issued
I'm not in law enforcement, so I'm just looking at this sentence quoted. My understanding is that if you call ahead to the engineer/mechanic/paintshop etc and tell them you are coming and have a booked appointment you should be OK even if pulled over.
If you get pulled over by the Police on the way, you can ask them to verify with the engineer/mechanic/paintshop that you were on the your way to an appointment. It needs to be reasonably close and you need to taking the most direct/practical route. I know this works in NSW anyway, as my mechanic explained it to me and he has had several cases of the Police letting his customers off because they could prove they were en-route to his workshop.
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I'd be interested to hear this too.
However, if it is registered, possibly it should be in a road worthy condition if the plates are fitted
thats how I would see it.
but what about accident damaged cars on trailers, they couldn't defect those could they ???
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Umm if it is on a trailer to and from the race track why would it be registered in the first place ???
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I'm not in law enforcement, so I'm just looking at this sentence quoted. My understanding is that if you call ahead to the engineer/mechanic/paintshop etc and tell them you are coming and have a booked appointment you should be OK even if pulled over.
If you get pulled over by the Police on the way, you can ask them to verify with the engineer/mechanic/paintshop that you were on the your way to an appointment. It needs to be reasonably close and you need to taking the most direct/practical route. I know this works in NSW anyway, as my mechanic explained it to me and he has had several cases of the Police letting his customers off because they could prove they were en-route to his workshop.
You would hope that to be the case, but you would also expect that to be the case where a car has left a burn out comp on a trailer with bald tyres also. I know in NSW they can and do get defected on trailers.
I'd be interested to hear this too.
thats how I would see it.
but what about accident damaged cars on trailers, they couldn't defect those could they ???
That was the first thing I thought.
Umm if it is on a trailer to and from the race track why would it be registered in the first place ???
There's thousands of guys with daily driven cars and bikes that socially race in circuit, rally, drag race etc. The second you fit race tyres to those vehicles, they need to be trailered. Most though trailer their cars as they know there's every chance it'll bust a clutch, snap an axel etc.
Shane.
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Doesn't seem like rocket science to me. If you want to modify a vehicle in a way the breaches the rules then unregister it, simple.
If you don't want to deregister it, then there's most likely some sort of agenda going on, and the police know that. ;)
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Umm if it is on a trailer to and from the race track why would it be registered in the first place ???
few of my race bikes were registered, but had slicks and replica fairings on road race weekends. Same as a few dudes I raced with.
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Doesn't seem like rocket science to me. If you want to modify a vehicle in a way the breaches the rules then unregister it, simple.
If you don't want to deregister it, then there's most likely some sort of agenda going on, and the police know that. ;)
Agree 100%
But a modifacation doesn't need to be permanent. As I mentioned earlier, race tyres, nitrous oxide kits. They can all be fitted and removed as need be. Same as some blokes have a couple of thousand dollar mud tyres for their 4x4 that they only play with. Run around most of the time on normal tyres. The vehicles I'm talking about have slicks thrown on them for the weekend.
I have a couple of customers that are very high profile property developers. They are right into their classic and muscle cars. 100% legal and registered cars. I change their tyres, fuel (to a leaded race fuel), rip the seat belt out and bolt in a harness. None of these items are legal on the street. They thrash the guts out of them for a weekend on a race track and drop them back to be returned back to legal again.
Why should they deregister these vehicles? What's sinister about what their doing? Hey, if they run that on the street, then that's a problem. But if it's on a trailer, what's the issue?
Shane.
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few of my race bikes were registered, but had slicks and replica fairings on road race weekends. Same as a few dudes I raced with.
Exactly. We see them all the time at test n tunes. Couple of young P platers with fully hektic VR Commy's. The one with 350K on the clock gets the rear seat, passenger seat, spare and glovebox ripped out so he can get that extra .003 of a second down his 17 second 1/4.
If he trailers the thing there, good on him. Seats go back in on Sunday morning and he drives to work on Monday. Saves his cash for the week and does it next Sat.
Shane.
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Agree 100%
But a modifacation doesn't need to be permanent. As I mentioned earlier, race tyres, nitrous oxide kits. They can all be fitted and removed as need be. Same as some blokes have a couple of thousand dollar mud tyres for their 4x4 that they only play with. Run around most of the time on normal tyres. The vehicles I'm talking about have slicks thrown on them for the weekend.
I have a couple of customers that are very high profile property developers. They are right into their classic and muscle cars. 100% legal and registered cars. I change their tyres, fuel (to a leaded race fuel), rip the seat belt out and bolt in a harness. None of these items are legal on the street. They thrash the guts out of them for a weekend on a race track and drop them back to be returned back to legal again.
Why should they deregister these vehicles? What's sinister about what their doing? Hey, if they run that on the street, then that's a problem. But if it's on a trailer, what's the issue?
Shane.
Yeah good point, better rethink my stand there.
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Wouldnt that mean that any vehicle that has been forcefully modified ( accident) and sitting on a tow truck come under the same scrutiny, written off farm vehicles and paddock bashes would have to come under the same legislation as well wouldn't it, bugger better go and hide the mini moke that has an after market xorst
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few of my race bikes were registered, but had slicks and replica fairings on road race weekends. Same as a few dudes I raced with.
Ahhh got it
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I'm not a copper either but you can't defect a vehicle that's not being driven on a public road.
end of story.
A trailer is as good as a tow truck, which carries registered, but unroadworthy vehicles all the time be that from an accident or for mechanical reasons.
I would challenge any ticket like that
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...I know a local bloke up the road here, had two members of the QPS recently walk in to his workshop and defect a vehicle for illegal modifications. There's no if's or but's, it had been extensively modified and not mod plated. But it wasn't on the road, wasn't being driven, sitting in his workshop.
Me thinks the car was probably reported to the :police: for some other offence and they tracked it down to the workshop...
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If your trailering it to the track pull the rego plates off it. If your pulled over it's just a race car on a trailer.
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I wonder how the V8 Super cars get away with it.
Mark
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Hang on- correction to my earlier post. the car can also be parked on the road or , could still get a ticket.
So a car on a trailer or tow truck is neither being used or driven or parked... on a road.
Some police or transport officers might say that if the car is regisered then it must comply with their vehicle standards whatever regardless but there's no precedent to say that they can slug a car being transported on a registered trailer or another vehicle because it's not on a public road.
Best they could do is tell you that they want to see it over an inspection pit and your choice is make it legal or de-register it. but book you? I'd call the bluff
as for police entering a workshop, yes there's a provision for officers to enter a premises but it relates more to the sale of a vehicle than anything else and the wording is very clear.
I suggest that the workshop owner stick a big sign next to the office, no unauthorised persons allowed past this point. politely decline access and cite health & safety & insurance liabilities.
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Years ago we went to the Summernats. Saw a highly modded show car (the type that never see the road and get towed to shows) with defect stickers on it.
Story was guy busted a hub or bearing on the car trailer just out of Canberra. Took the tow car off the trailer so they could jack it up with a pissy little scissor jack. Boys in blue came along, pulled out the fine book and went to town on the show car.
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Years ago we went to the Summernats. Saw a highly modded show car (the type that never see the road and get towed to shows) with defect stickers on it.
Story was guy busted a hub or bearing on the car trailer just out of Canberra. Took the tow car off the trailer so they could jack it up with a pissy little scissor jack. Boys in blue came along, pulled out the fine book and went to town on the show car.
Just goes to show how "pigheaded" some coppers can get....no wonder even their own mothers don't like them ( Highway Patrol )
They get even less respect from me when I see them speeding and also doing burnouts just for the fun of it......
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https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/SLS/2010/10SL192.pdf (https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/SLS/2010/10SL192.pdf)
The vehicle must be driven or parked on a road. Police can't just waltz into your shed and defect your vehicle. May be a different story if they've seen you driving it on the road. Same goes for cars at the race track. If anyone got a ticket for towing a defective car on a trailer, it'd quickly be withdrawn upon appeal because it would never make it through the Court room.
I'm always wary of the "it happened to a friend of mine" stories.
Mike
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Hang on- correction to my earlier post. the car can also be parked on the road or , could still get a ticket.
So a car on a trailer or tow truck is neither being used or driven or parked... on a road.
That's what I said in my initial post. That has always been the case, in QLD at least, but has it changed?
Shane.
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I'm always wary of the "it happened to a friend of mine" stories.
I haven't had anyone confirm the defecting on the trailer issue, hence why I stated "apparantly."
The defect to the other car at the workshop. Oh, that happened, and could not have happened to a nicer bloke ;D
If your trailering it to the track pull the rego plates off it. If your pulled over it's just a race car on a trailer.
It's still registered though.
Years ago we went to the Summernats. Saw a highly modded show car (the type that never see the road and get towed to shows) with defect stickers on it.
Story was guy busted a hub or bearing on the car trailer just out of Canberra. Took the tow car off the trailer so they could jack it up with a pissy little scissor jack. Boys in blue came along, pulled out the fine book and went to town on the show car.
One of my customers has a VERY nice Holden 1 tonner. Quiet a few modifications, all plated and legal, or so he thought. After almost an hour being screwed over on the side of the road for a "random licence check", nothing could be found wrong with his vehicle. So he was ordered to have it inspected at a local Qld Tpt inspection station for a db test. The car came into work, we went over EVERYTHING before it had to be presented to Qld Tpt. Couldn't find anything wrong with it.
What I didn't know at that time was, because it's a 1 Tonner, it's a commercial vehicle. It must have load rated wheels and light truck tyres fitted, not alloy wheels and passenger tyres. He was defected.
Shane.
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Mmmmm, I'm thinking that, if a vehicle is road registered, it would be deemed as being capable of being driven on the road so must past muster whether it's on the road or not!
Having a spare tyre is not mandatory but, if you have one, it has to be roadworthy even if it's just sitting in the boot or tray, not in use on the vehicle. It MIGHT be used on the road.
I think it would be assumed that rego equates to road use!
Not that I agree.
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What I didn't know at that time was, because it's a 1 Tonner, it's a commercial vehicle. It must have load rated wheels and light truck tyres fitted, not alloy wheels and passenger tyres. He was defected.
yep, same as most dual cabs with bling wheels on them, or falcadore utes with rubberband tyres.
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They were pinging people up our way for incorrect load ratings on Bling wheels on 4WD's.
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One of my customers has a VERY nice Holden 1 tonner. Quiet a few modifications, all plated and legal, or so he thought. After almost an hour being screwed over on the side of the road for a "random licence check", nothing could be found wrong with his vehicle. So he was ordered to have it inspected at a local Qld Tpt inspection station for a db test. The car came into work, we went over EVERYTHING before it had to be presented to Qld Tpt. Couldn't find anything wrong with it.
What I didn't know at that time was, because it's a 1 Tonner, it's a commercial vehicle. It must have load rated wheels and light truck tyres fitted, not alloy wheels and passenger tyres. He was defected.
Shane.
Shane do you know if the Holden 1 tonner could have been blue plated to allow the use on alloy wheels and passenger tyres.
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Shane do you know if the Holden 1 tonner could have been blue plated to allow the use on alloy wheels and passenger tyres.
It should just mean a down rating in load capacity. Same as you can do with trucks to change licence class. So should be no reason why not.
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Shane do you know if the Holden 1 tonner could have been blue plated to allow the use on alloy wheels and passenger tyres.
Not sure.
It should just mean a down rating in load capacity. Same as you can do with trucks to change licence class. So should be no reason why not.
You can down grade the GVM to under 4.5T, but I'm not sure if you can go lower ?
Will find out though.
Shane.
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Apparantly not.
QT's Approved Persons Handbooks for heavy and light vehicle
modifications indicate that specific light vehicle categories can utilise a
number of the heavy vehicle codes for modification purposes. The "S"
codes are not listed in either handbook as permissible for light vehicle
modifications and as such, the modification of light commercial vehicles
utilising the "S" codes is not permitted.
As such, the lowering of the GVM rating of light vehicles with a GVM not
exceeding 4.5 tonnes should not be carried out utilising the "S" codes of
VSB 6.
Additionally, QT policy stipulates that:
"A GVM cannot be downgraded without a physical change to the
vehicle which does not compromise its safety. Replacement of the
standard tyres with lower rated tyres to achieve a lower cost
registration category is considered to compromise safety and is not
permitted."
As such, the lowering of a vehicle's GVM rating cannot occur without a
physical change to the vehicle. However, where a lowering of GVM
rating relates to a manufacturer's variant of a particular model of vehicle
and a physical change does not occur between different models, the
previous requirement does not apply.
Specifically, QT does not permit the lowering of GVM rating of light
vehicles unless a manufacturer's lower GVM variant exists and the
manufacturer's method of de-rating is used (see General Safety
Concerns).
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Good info. :cheers:
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Regarding the mention about the 1 tonne commercial vehicle and LT tyres, it is interesting that most, if not all, new dual cab "1 ton" utes roll out of showrooms with passenger rated tyres as opposed to LT rated tyres. Mine did it 2011 and it has a payload just over 1t. They were even A/t's, when most are road tyres. Other brands may get around it by speccing payload just under 1t (say 950kg), thereby not 'technically' a commercial class vehicle?
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it's not whether or not a tyre is LT rated, it's the actual load rating of the tyre you got to look at
same for rims
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Agree Mallory, i.e, a 1 tonner ute can have a passenger tyre as long as it has the correct load rating. An earlier post referred to the passeneger tyre vs LT tyre, where a defect was issued beacuse LT tyres were not used?
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The way they would get you is that the 1 Tonner left the factory with full seam welded 14 x 6 JJ Steel rims and 195 R 14 LT 8ply tyres, As opposed to what the late model 1 Ton ute left with as factory fitment .
Edit : So yep if you could get a tyre / rims that fitted inside all the rules reguarding bigger tyres and rim sizes with the load rating you should be fine
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Agree Mallory, i.e, a 1 tonner ute can have a passenger tyre as long as it has the correct load rating. An earlier post referred to the passeneger tyre vs LT tyre, where a defect was issued beacuse LT tyres were not used?
Agreed, I should have said, incorrect load rated tyres, not passenger tyres.
Is there a tyre to suit the Holden with a high enough load rating that isn't a L/T tyre?
I don't have the specs here, but I would assume it would have to be a 98 ?
Shane.
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Had a quick look at the legislation link posted by MicMack. This is a "regulation", and not the "Act"
Vic Legislation is differently constructed.
Our Road Safety Act applies anywhere, unless stated otherwise. Vic roadworthy power to inspect appears in our Act and is specific in its location. It must be used (including parked) on a road or road related area (eg footpaths etc) In Vic our Road Safety Regulations only apply to roads and road related areas, unless stated otherwise.
Reading the Qld regulation there is no mention in the section relating to defect notices does it mention being used on a road. I'm niot sure where their regulations apply. Reading it, it sounds as if it could be anywhere, or at least on the back of a trailer. (It is very difficult to read legislation unless you know how they are all interlinked. eg part A might say something, part B will clarify it further and parts C, D E may even go further into it.)
Re the Tyre Rim scenarios
You may find that it is the tyre placard that they don't comply with. The placard is the sticker that says the tyre pressures etc, also lists the rating required, and may specify LT tyres. (That is how we do it in Vic)
Would I defect a car on a trailer in Vic? No, I'm not allowed to.
Would I, if I could? Most likely not, would depend entirely on the scenario.
I am always wary of the story of a "friend of a friend" said. They sually only tell the bits they want you to hear.
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Would I defect a car on a trailer in Vic? No, I'm not allowed to.
Would I, if I could? Most likely not, would depend entirely on the scenario.
I am always wary of the story of a "friend of a friend" said. They sually only tell the bits they want you to hear.
Talking to a work mate yesterday and he tells of attending Summernats this year and finds out coppers were pulling over modified cars on trailers........then making the owner take the car off the trailer.......then as soon as the car touched the ground, they went to town defecting it..
Now, I don't know the legalities of making someone taking a car off a trailer, and it all sounds incredible that it could happen, but that's the story I got told !!
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but that's the story I got told !!
Gotta love a good story ;D ;D
KB
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So if a registered vehicle on a trailer can be defected, even though it is not actually being used on a road or road related area, can an unregistered car on a trailer be pinged for being unregistered? >:D ;D
Peter
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I only responded to the OP in relation to Qld legislation because his question specifically related to Qld. I've added some clarifying comments to clear up any confusion. Hope they help.
Had a quick look at the legislation link posted by MicMack. This is a "regulation", and not the "Act"
In Qld, police get almost all of their powers from the Police Powers and Responsibilities Act 2000. In this instance, sections 60 and 63. The fact that one is an Act and the other is a regulation is of no significance other than to identify what sort of information is contained. TO(RUM-VSS) is called a regulation because it deals with matters of a regulatory nature. I don't recall there being any powers or authority being delegated (but i am happy to stand corrected) because it's taken care of in the PPRA. The offence for driving or parking a defective vehicle comes from the regulation. The power to stop, search/inspect and move comes from the PPRA.
Reading the Qld regulation there is no mention in the section relating to defect notices does it mention being used on a road.
TO(RUM-VSS) Reg 2010
5 Compliance with vehicle standards
(1) A person must not drive or park, or permit someone else to
drive or park, a vehicle on a road
Maximum penalty—20 penalty units ($110 per penalty unit as of 2013)
Mike
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Just goes to show how "pigheaded" some coppers can get....no wonder even their own mothers don't like them ( Highway Patrol )
They get even less respect from me when I see them speeding and also doing burnouts just for the fun of it......
Totally agree with that, I have seen several ( at least 4) h'way patrol cars do burnouts and was passed by 2 that were racing along the highway one night at waaaay over the limit.
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In Qld, police get almost all of their powers from the Police Powers and Responsibilities Act 2000. In this instance, sections 60 and 63. The fact that one is an Act and the other is a regulation is of no significance other than to identify what sort of information is contained. TO(RUM-VSS) is called a regulation because it deals with matters of a regulatory nature. I don't recall there being any powers or authority being delegated (but i am happy to stand corrected) because it's taken care of in the PPRA. The offence for driving or parking a defective vehicle comes from the regulation. The power to stop, search/inspect and move comes from the PPRA.
TO(RUM-VSS) Reg 2010
5 Compliance with vehicle standards
(1) A person must not drive or park, or permit someone else to
drive or park, a vehicle on a road
Maximum penalty—20 penalty units ($110 per penalty unit as of 2013)
Mike
Regulation 5 shows that it an offence to use the vehicle on a road that does not comply.
Regulation 8 has the power to issue a defect.
(1) Subsection (2) applies if an authorised officer reasonably believes—
(a) that a vehicle is defective; or
(b) that a vehicle is not defective, but that driving or parking it on a road would, for another reason, be in contravention of section 5.
(2) The authorised officer may, by notice in the approved form (a defect notice), require ......
Although this mentions road, it doesn't say being used at the time.
You would have to read the Act to see if it restricts the applicaiton of the regualtion.
I have to admit i would never have looked at the PPRA for the power to stop a car, in Vic it is in our Road Safety Act.
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Regulation 5 shows that it an offence to use the vehicle on a road that does not comply.
Regulation 8 has the power to issue a defect.
(1) Subsection (2) applies if an authorised officer reasonably believes—
(a) that a vehicle is defective; or
(b) that a vehicle is not defective, but that driving or parking it on a road would, for another reason, be in contravention of section 5.
(2) The authorised officer may, by notice in the approved form (a defect notice), require ......
Although this mentions road, it doesn't say being used at the time.
You would have to read the Act to see if it restricts the applicaiton of the regualtion.
I have to admit i would never have looked at the PPRA for the power to stop a car, in Vic it is in our Road Safety Act.
Thanks for your input #jonesy. Is section 5, Regulation 5 ? Or is section 5 something else entirely different?
Shane.
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I only responded to the OP in relation to Qld legislation because his question specifically related to Qld. I've added some clarifying comments to clear up any confusion. Hope they help.
In Qld, police get almost all of their powers from the Police Powers and Responsibilities Act 2000. In this instance, sections 60 and 63. The fact that one is an Act and the other is a regulation is of no significance other than to identify what sort of information is contained. TO(RUM-VSS) is called a regulation because it deals with matters of a regulatory nature. I don't recall there being any powers or authority being delegated (but i am happy to stand corrected) because it's taken care of in the PPRA. The offence for driving or parking a defective vehicle comes from the regulation. The power to stop, search/inspect and move comes from the PPRA.
TO(RUM-VSS) Reg 2010
5 Compliance with vehicle standards
(1) A person must not drive or park, or permit someone else to
drive or park, a vehicle on a road
Maximum penalty—20 penalty units ($110 per penalty unit as of 2013)
Mike
Thanks for your input Mike, trying to understand that, but........... that's fkn deep.
Shane.
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Totally agree with that, I have seen several ( at least 4) h'way patrol cars do burnouts
Not acceptable.
and was passed by 2 that were racing along the highway one night at waaaay over the limit.
And you spoke to them afterwards and know the reason why they were speeding? Maybe they just happened to be going to an urgent job. Did you consider that?
KB
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Thanks for your input #jonesy. Is section 5, Regulation 5 ? Or is section 5 something else entirely different?
Shane.
Sorry should have written section 5 (same thing) In Victoria it would be referred to as "regulation 5" We use "section" when referring to a part of an Act to differentiate between the two.
Good luck trying to read the legislation, it isn't the easiest thing to do unless you understand the structure.
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And you spoke to them afterwards and know the reason why they were speeding? Maybe they just happened to be going to an urgent job. Did you consider that?
I have some swamp forsale if your interestred..
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As this thread is already hijacked with what the boys in blue did, or did not do, I would like to ask another question on tires.
This is my maths.
WB one tonner 8 cylinder kerb weight 1360 + Load 1000 + fuel and oil 100 + driver and passenger 250 = 2710 divided by 4 tires = 677.5kg =1493.63 lbs
so the minimum load index would be 95 @ 1521 lbs
is that right? ???
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This is my maths.
WB one tonner 8 cylinder kerb weight 1360 + Load 1000 + fuel and oil 100 + driver and passenger 250 = 2710 divided by 4 tires = 677.5kg =1493.63 lbs
so the minimum load index would be 95 @ 1521 lbs
is that right? ???
I thought it was 60/40 with weight, bringing the load rating up to 97 or 98 or so.
I'm not sure though.
Shane.
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Thanks Shane,
I also had been looking at running these wheels, in 8” front maybe 8.5” on the rear, they have a load rating of 1525 lbs per wheel.
(http://centerlinewheels.com/images/wheels/medium/20100511065724_convofront.jpg)
http://centerlinewheels.com/wheels_detail.php?mw_id=34&sw_id=363 (http://centerlinewheels.com/wheels_detail.php?mw_id=34&sw_id=363)
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Thanks Shane,
I also had been looking at running these wheels, in 8” front maybe 8.5” on the rear, they have a load rating of 1525 lbs per wheel.
I don't have a 8" Convo Pro here to check, but I'mm 99.9% sure that they are a 2 piece rim with centre clamped in between, then welded. If they are seam welded, then no you can't run them. :'( (Nice wheels)
This is a Pro Star, seam welded.
Shane.
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They don't specify if they are welded, they just say riveting the two halves together
Technical Specifications
Modular aluminum wheel manufactured by riveting two wheel halves together back to back
1525 lb. load rating per wheel w/ 30" max tire diameter (OK to run taller drag slicks)
Wheels are light weight and designed for performance on the track & street
Attn racers: 15x3.5 spindle mount tested to 15.2 spec; 15x15 & 16x16 tested to 15.3 spec
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Also need to comply with ADR 23 as it's post 74. And it's probably going to get worse before better. ;D
Being a WB commercial, anything larger than a 253 now needs a mod plate. >:(
1 good thing though, no emmissions compliance in QLD, yet.
Shane.
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It will need to be mod plated as I already have the ford 9” diff conversion already, the engine I nearly have finished 308 converted to 4 bolt and stroked to 355 and a turbo 700 gear box, commodore vx rear brakes and thinking of fitting 298mm front brakes as they will fit into 15” wheels.
It is just I had not thought about the wheels needing to be load rated.
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It will need to be mod plated as I already have the ford 9” diff conversion already, the engine I nearly have finished 308 converted to 4 bolt and stroked to 355 and a turbo 700 gear box, commodore vx rear brakes and thinking of fitting 298mm front brakes as they will fit into 15” wheels.
It is just I had not thought about the wheels needing to be load rated.
Nice combo. It needs a build thread :D
VN or B cast type heads?
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Vn stile alloy heads, crane cam and roller lifters, and yella terra rockers, thinking of fitting msd atomic efi fuel injection.
I ordered the dif with 3.25 ratios and billet axils, strange gear sets and limited slip.
I now need to get started on the cab though, it is out in the rain, but have new guards, new wb statesman lights and front panels, and recromed bumper and bits
I hope it will go ok though.
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How about some photos John?
KB
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I hope it will go ok though.
Meh, I'm sure it will for a plastic. >:D >:D
No engine capacity limits on light commercial. Rule of thumb is 540ci as a minimum ;D
Yeah we need pics. I did see a thread a while ago with peoples other cars/projects somewhere.
Shane.
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Meh, I'm sure it will for a plastic. >:D >:D
No engine capacity limits on light commercial. Rule of thumb is 540ci as a minimum ;D
Yeah we need pics. I did see a thread a while ago with peoples other cars/projects somewhere.
Shane.
would this do?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/370796613760 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/370796613760)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$(KGrHqZHJCwE7z!5ZQ-fBPGgoQI1-w~~60_58.JPG)
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would this do?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/370796613760 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/370796613760)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$(KGrHqZHJCwE7z!5ZQ-fBPGgoQI1-w~~60_58.JPG)
Would make it a great streeter. :cup:
Shane.
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Not much to show yet,
Engine going together, I need to check if I had given enough clearance for the stroker. I now have to pull it back down and fit the rings.
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/jclures/Holden%20WB/strokertrialfit01_zpsdbd483ca.jpg) (http://s217.photobucket.com/user/jclures/media/Holden%20WB/strokertrialfit01_zpsdbd483ca.jpg.html)
Ford 9” with Holden disks and callipers and hand brake cables made to fit.
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/jclures/Holden%20WB/ford9inch01_zps11583ec6.jpg) (http://s217.photobucket.com/user/jclures/media/Holden%20WB/ford9inch01_zps11583ec6.jpg.html)
WB out in the rain, it is a WB even thought it has round headlights.
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/jclures/Holden%20WB/onetunner01_zps84666466.jpg) (http://s217.photobucket.com/user/jclures/media/Holden%20WB/onetunner01_zps84666466.jpg.html)
I need to get this one back together so I can make room in my shed
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/jclures/Holden%20WB/finalred03_zpsf0e2e1c1.jpg) (http://s217.photobucket.com/user/jclures/media/Holden%20WB/finalred03_zpsf0e2e1c1.jpg.html)
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Talking to a work mate yesterday and he tells of attending Summernats this year and finds out coppers were pulling over modified cars on trailers........then making the owner take the car off the trailer.......then as soon as the car touched the ground, they went to town defecting it..
Now, I don't know the legalities of making someone taking a car off a trailer, and it all sounds incredible that it could happen, but that's the story I got told !!
Truly? I find that hard to believe. If that happened to me (let alone in a group situation) I'd be off to one of those no-win-no-pay ambulance-chaser law firms for an opinion (first consultation is free remember). Even if it could be argued that the police were technically within an interpretation of the Law, most reasonable magistrates would surely see this as overstepping the mark, bordering on harassment.
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Truly? I find that hard to believe. If that happened to me (let alone in a group situation) I'd be off to one of those no-win-no-pay ambulance-chaser law firms for an opinion (first consultation is free remember). Even if it could be argued that the police were technically within an interpretation of the Law, most reasonable magistrates would surely see this as overstepping the mark, bordering on harassment.
I have heard of this happening at 4wd events too. There were threads on Outers years ago mentioning cops were doing it as people came out of 4wd parks.
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Thanks Shane,
I also had been looking at running these wheels, in 8” front maybe 8.5” on the rear, they have a load rating of 1525 lbs per wheel.
(http://centerlinewheels.com/images/wheels/medium/20100511065724_convofront.jpg)
http://centerlinewheels.com/wheels_detail.php?mw_id=34&sw_id=363 (http://centerlinewheels.com/wheels_detail.php?mw_id=34&sw_id=363)
I love the convo pros
Swannie