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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: evolution on October 22, 2013, 06:19:33 PM
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OK guys so I have been driving around the patrol in its current form for a while now and the inevitable has finally happened.
I got pulled over by the highway patrol. Grrrrrrrr
So after the licence check Mr police officer asked me to turn my lights on.
Yep, hid's are in there. Strike one.
Then asks me the purpose of the roof lights.
Um off road lights I say?.....
Nope as they are forward facing I have too many on there.
So two have to come off.
Anyway I get chatting to him about the led light Bars, suffice to say as a warning to those in Victoria. They must be mounted in pairs, and still no more than 6 forward facing.
Strike two.
Even though there is no way to turn them on without physically Getting out of the car and putting a fuse in. Still not good enough.
So unfortunately in regards to the longer light bars, the new laws in Queensland still haven't made it down to us poor Mexicans.
Then to top it off, turns out my lights aren't allowed to protrude past the bull bar???
As I have light force blitz 240's on there and that's how they mount that was strike three.
So to get around that one I need to get some more of those rubber pads for the bull bar.
So all in all really polite, helpful Mr plod. I did get a defect notice of some sort, but no fines or points.
I have a week to rectify and then just take it to Vic roads and all done and dusted.
So moral of this story (in Victoria anyway >:D )
* no HID's (which I knew but tried my luck) lol
* no more than 6 forward facing lights ( if you have h4 globes they are counted as one per side )
* must be mounted in pairs
And last but not least
* work lights are not required to be in pairs on the rear of the car.
Cheers
Evo
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Bugger, sounds like Mr Plod went to the Mansfield school of Highway Patrol.
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Oops ;D
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Bugger :police:
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Got pulled over about a year ago for a random check. Seen my battery monitoring gauge on the dash, kindly asked if I had the time to show him my dual battery system. Sure!
Asked many questions about my suspension,UHF and other mods. Thanked me for my time and advice Nice copper! :police:
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I towed a trailer around for months with no number plate on the rear, but it was well painted and new LED lights all working well..
anyway eventually got pulled over (By a mansfield highway copper) and I got a $141 fine and 3 points.
3 points, it wasnt a dangerous or unsafe... I really dont think it needed 3 points..
Anyway I thought he would let me off with a fine.. ohh well.. SOld that trailer eventually and made my own that needs to be registered.
ohh well..
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Sounds like you got off lightly! It's $361 for having a vehicle that doesn't comply with the standards of registration.
anyway eventually got pulled over (By a mansfield highway copper) and I got a $141 fine and 3 points.
Why was it important to note that he was from Mansfield Highway Patrol?
3 points, it wasnt a dangerous or unsafe... I really dont think it needed 3 points..
Anyway I thought he would let me off with a fine..
That's not how it works. It's either a warning or a PIN - Police can't just decide to part penalise ???
Edit: Own/Use Unreg Trailer is $144; but no demerit points, so I don't see how that works??? :-\
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Why was it important to note that he was from Mansfield Highway Patrol?
Their reputation precedes them..........and I live in perth. :angel: :D
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You do realise that it that the members performing on camera weren't from HWP?
But let's not let any facts get in the way of a good story....
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LOL,
I used to live in Vic and had more than my share of "attention" to both my road car and 4wd by the Mansfield boys........... :-[ :-[ :angel:
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So moral of this story (in Victoria anyway >:D )
* no HID's (which I knew but tried my luck) lol
with that many threads on mansfield cops and HIDs on forums I wouldnt have tried...
* no more than 6 forward facing lights ( if you have h4 globes they are counted as one per side )
* must be mounted in pairs
Always been the case. Some people with the light bars are putting tape in the center to "split" the light into 2, thinking that will get them away with it.
Oh and apparently lights in pairs are supposed to be both spot or both spread... But then Hella sells Rally 4000's from memory in packs 1 of each ???
But the sad thing everytime the cop sees your car now, he thinks easy $$$ :(
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The fitting of 'additional headlights' (white light facing forward) must be between 500mm and 1400mm from the ground/road surface (RS(Veh)Regs 2009, Sch2, Section 78.4 (a) & (b).
Section 80 - "If 2 or more additional headlights are fitted....the additional headlights must as far as possible be fitted in pairs."
My interpretation is that you can have a single LED light bar on your bullbar providing you have two other driving lights fitted and it isn't possible to fit a second LED bar. The LED bar must still be within 500mm & 1400mm from the road surface. It must also either dip or turn off when low beam is selected.
Roof mounting is too high to comply. If is up there and doesn't work then that's another issue.
My 2c....and no demerit points worth ;D
Tim
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The fitting of 'additional headlights' (white light facing forward) must be between 500mm and 1400mm from the ground/road surface (RS(Veh)Regs 2009, Sch2, Section 78.4 (a) & (b).
Section 80 - "If 2 or more additional headlights are fitted....the additional headlights must as far as possible be fitted in pairs."
Methinks it's been revised..........
You can buy Jeeps with roof lights from factory and even some Euro prime movers have 'em.............
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Ahh the Mansfield boys! Old Ned had trouble with them as well ! Nothing changes ! :cheers:
The rules are out there ! Sometimes grey or vague but why not fit as allowed and carry the printed rules with ya! :cup:
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You can buy Jeeps with roof lights from factory and even some Euro prime movers have 'em.............
Many threads on the Jeep issue...
Apparently they have some *special* name from the factory that means they are considered legal...
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Agree Lost - I think herevwas an issue with the Limited Edition Tomb Raider Landy too, may have even had a recall to cover or disconnect the roof lights.
The RS(veh)Rs that I quoted are current for Vic. Not to say they're always abided by... :-*
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Agree Lost - I think herevwas an issue with the Limited Edition Tomb Raider Landy too, may have even had a recall to cover or disconnect the roof lights.
The RS(veh)Rs that I quoted are current for Vic. Not to say they're always abided by... :-*
the problem is every single donut man interprets it differently.. you can drive around for 5 yrs without an issue, then one new glaized will come to down and dick you even though his counterpart says dont worry bout it.
That goes for so many parts/accessories and things :(
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I'm staying out of this one :angel: :police:
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I'm staying out of this one :angel: :police:
Don't like donuts? :D
I wish I had of heard the donut man term when my neighbour was still one. Could have had a heap of fun with that one
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Methinks it's been revised..........
You can buy Jeeps with roof lights from factory and even some Euro prime movers have 'em.............
You could buy a Jeep with roof lights from the factory, but that model only lasted a year or so - and for the Australian market the roof bar only had two lights instead of the original four in the US, which made it look like Mickey Mouse..
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The fitting of 'additional headlights' (white light facing forward) must be between 500mm and 1400mm from the ground/road surface (RS(Veh)Regs 2009, Sch2, Section 78.4 (a) & (b).
Section 80 - "If 2 or more additional headlights are fitted....the additional headlights must as far as possible be fitted in pairs."
My interpretation is that you can have a single LED light bar on your bullbar providing you have two other driving lights fitted and it isn't possible to fit a second LED bar. The LED bar must still be within 500mm & 1400mm from the road surface. It must also either dip or turn off when low beam is selected.
78.4 only refers to low beam headlights. So no height restriction on high beam.
Hence why this is legal (http://www.carsguide.com.au/images/uploads/mercedes-actros-v-cls-w.jpg)
(and I managed to post a pic :cheers:
Peter
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Holy Shit.
This topic just made me realise that my camper doesn't have a number plate light!
How did it get registered or don't I need one if just daylight driving????
Steffo
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Holy ****.
This topic just made me realise that my camper doesn't have a number plate light!
How did it get registered or don't I need one if just daylight driving????
Steffo
I'm not sure about the rules where you are, but I'm pretty sure you do have to have one
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How did it get registered or don't I need one if just daylight driving????
so your car needs no headlights if you only drive during th day???
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The fitting of 'additional headlights' (white light facing forward) must be between 500mm and 1400mm from the ground/road surface (RS(Veh)Regs 2009, Sch2, Section 78.4 (a) & (b).
Section 80 - "If 2 or more additional headlights are fitted....the additional headlights must as far as possible be fitted in pairs."
My interpretation is that you can have a single LED light bar on your bullbar providing you have two other driving lights fitted and it isn't possible to fit a second LED bar. The LED bar must still be within 500mm & 1400mm from the road surface. It must also either dip or turn off when low beam is selected.
Roof mounting is too high to comply. If is up there and doesn't work then that's another issue.
My 2c....and no demerit points worth ;D
Tim
Must quote this to my bro with the Kermit 'Candy' car. Will be interesting to get his '2c' worth.
As for Mansfield, etc, as I understand it the 'TOG' are now a whole of state show, operating all over the place, rather than regional as previously.
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And to attack the light thing from the 'other end' I have a question about rear lights.
Many 4x4s have break stop and indicator lights in the rear bar as well as the guards.
On the Jackaroo both sets of lights are operational however, on some other makes - eg Patrols - it appears to only be the bumper lights which are on.
I seemed to remember that this was something to do with the number of lights, however number on the Jackaroos doesn't seem to be any fewer than on the Patrols. Can anyone answer 'why it is so'?
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I had it in writing from Vic roads that it is absolutely legal to have driving lights mounted on the roof rack......having been pulled up years ago for that same offense before the ADR rules changed.
But the maximum 6 forward facing lights is definitely correct.
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But the maximum 6 forward facing lights is definitely correct.
Yup always been that way, fogs, hi/lo, set of spots and you're already at 6...
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And to attack the light thing from the 'other end' I have a question about rear lights.
Many 4x4s have break stop and indicator lights in the rear bar as well as the guards.
On the Jackaroo both sets of lights are operational however, on some other makes - eg Patrols - it appears to only be the bumper lights which are on.
I seemed to remember that this was something to do with the number of lights, however number on the Jackaroos doesn't seem to be any fewer than on the Patrols. Can anyone answer 'why it is so'?
I believe it's to do with an ADR rule?
something about vision of the taillights and applies to those cars with the spare wheel positioned on the rear door??
happy to be corrected if wrong ;D
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Holy ****.
This topic just made me realise that my camper doesn't have a number plate light!
How did it get registered or don't I need one if just daylight driving????
Steffo
just wondering...it doesn't use the park lights shining through from the side of the assembly at the same time to illuminate the licence plate? bit old skool to have lights like that, but that's how it used to be done on some styles.
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I believe it's to do with an ADR rule?
something about vision of the taillights and applies to those cars with the spare wheel positioned on the rear door??
happy to be corrected if wrong ;D
Nope you are correct.. think the angle was 45 degrees?
thus why some of them when wheel carriers are fitted, have those $1.00 cheap square lights fitted to the rear bars instead. I think 80s were bad for that with single wheel carrier.
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Nope you are correct.. think the angle was 45 degrees?
thus why some of them when wheel carriers are fitted, have those $1.00 cheap square lights fitted to the rear bars instead. I think 80s were bad for that with single wheel carrier.
That's what I tho it as well, but both the Jackaroo and the Patrol have wheels on the rear door, so that is partly why I'm confused...
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just wondering...it doesn't use the park lights shining through from the side of the assembly at the same time to illuminate the licence plate? bit old skool to have lights like that, but that's how it used to be done on some styles.
Not just 'old school', there are LED trailer lights currently being sold with one having the clear lens for the tail light on the side of one light. Saves buying an additional light, so why not.
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The patrol has lights in the rear bar to allow for the spare wheel.
It was early in the GQ's that Nissan started fitting light in the rear bar.
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The patrol has lights in the rear bar to allow for the spare wheel.
It was early in the GQ's that Nissan started fitting light in the rear bar.
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I also read somewhere that the lights in the rear bar were because the ADR specified a max height for the tail lights from the ground. 4WD vehicles with tail lights in the body work were too high, so most of them popped an extra set in the rear bar and disconnected the body work lights. There was one model however that decided lowering the rear end by a few mm(like 40ish) meant they didn't have to add the extra lights.
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I also read somewhere that the lights in the rear bar were because the ADR specified a max height for the tail lights from the ground.
I think it was the spare tyre obstructing the lights from an angle e.g. the Patrol and Pajero need bumper lights but the Prado doesn't and it's rear lights are higher than both the Patrol and Pajero.
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I think it was the spare tyre obstructing the lights from an angle e.g. the Patrol and Pajero need bumper lights but the Prado doesn't and it's rear lights are higher than both the Patrol and Pajero.
That was long ago, before Prado's. I'm near certain it was the land cruiser that was 'lowered'.
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Must quote this to my bro with the Kermit 'Candy' car. Will be interesting to get his '2c' worth.
As for Mansfield, etc, as I understand it the 'TOG' are now a whole of state show, operating all over the place, rather than regional as previously.
Each region has their own Highway Patrol, however we also have State Highway Patrol and they travel all over the state as the name suggest. There is also a heavy vehicle section and a off-road motorcycle section.
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moral of this story (in Victoria anyway >:D )
* no HID's (which I knew but tried my luck) lol
* no more than 6 forward facing lights ( if you have h4 globes they are counted as one per side )
* must be mounted in pairs
And last but not least
* work lights are not required to be in pairs on the rear of the car.
Cheers
Evo
Would that also apply to a vehicle registered in Qld (or elsewhere where legal) when driving thru Vic ???