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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bunyip on July 22, 2013, 11:09:23 PM
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After six months of applying for jobs in Sydney and not getting an interview I finally gave up applying. This was one of the catalysts for us moving to Orange.
I decided to study instead, well that isn't turning out as well as I had hoped so I applied for an IT Manager role in Bathurst and I got an interview!!!!!
Here's hoping. I need to get out of this house and get back into the real world, I am going even crazier.
Bunyip
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Good luck Bunyip
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Good luck Bunyip. Have been wondering how you were going. Lots of positive thoughts for you from us.
Cheers
Louise ;D
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Good luck mate, hope ya get it :cheers:
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Smash it in mate. Spurt jargon at them, tcp netapp load balance perspective etc gl!
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Feel for you mate, I hate interviews.
Hope it goes well. Back to IT eh, could be worse and have to work for a living.....
OK I know, shutdown -F
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Hope it goes well good luck
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Good luck today.
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Best of luck with your interview. I look forward to the post telling us of your new position.
Tjupurula
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Thanks all,
Not until 1:00 so hopefully wont be home until around 2:30pm.
Bunyip
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Good luck with the interview Mate :cheers:
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Best of luck mate
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Find out the name of the person you'll be seeing, find some really good dirt on him or her and you'll have the job.
Blackmail is a nasty word, but hey, if it works..... ;D
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If there is a female on the panel they like to be called 'Toots' apparently.
Good luck!
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Jeepers,
I have an idea of one of the panel as someone from that organisation has checked out my Linkedin profile this morning. Cannot find any dirt on him though :D
Dazzler,
Thanks for the hint, I will remmeber that one :D
Bunyip
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Read their website thoroughly, understand their business and what their priorities are for the future. Try an come up with some ideas where IT can help meet their priorities. Have a 30, 60, 90 day plan.
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Read their website thoroughly, understand their business and what their priorities are for the future. Try an come up with some ideas where IT can help meet their priorities. Have a 30, 60, 90 day plan.
Yep, have read their annual report and strategic plan. It seems as though IT plays a large part in what they do, just don't know where they are IT wise so have to tread carefully.
Bunyip
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Good luck.
I know the feeling.
I was unemployed for (only) 7 weeks and had 3 interviews.
Now I am working again.
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Good Luck. I'm going through the same process myself with two interviews in two days. It now looks like it will be my decision not theirs.......... ??? Going from no job to choosing between jobs is not as nice as it seems.
Dave
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Well its about 1.30 pm 1/2 way through the interview . All the heads are bobing up & down , in agreement , the MD has excused himself to tidy out his desk . Nerds are trembling at their keyboards as the New Bloke finishes his presentation on the New direction they are about to take . All he has to do is say Yes to their most generous offer ,, everybody holds their breath .
More to follow >:D
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Well its about 1.30 pm 1/2 way through the interview . All the heads are bobing up & down , in agreement , the MD has excused himself to tidy out his desk . Nerds are trembling at their keyboards as the New Bloke finishes his presentation on the New direction they are about to take . All he has to do is say Yes to their most generous offer ,, everybody holds their breath .
More to follow >:D
Certainly hope this is how it is all going so we look forward to your interview updates and hearing from Bunyip in a little while
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Make sure ya tells allthe details, how many interviewers. How long etc..
Then the job itself, how big will your staff be, or the team. How many ppl the team support.. Etc etc..
I used to do first level and pc support at a few different locations..
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Good luck sending good vibes
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Hope all is going well for you, just sell yourself as the best person for the job!!
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Hope all is going well for you, just sell yourself as the best person for the job!!
:worthles:
He can't because that's me!
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sending good vibes
Yeah, me too.... BBBBRRRRRTTTTT.... oops, it was only wind, oh well, good luck anyway. ;D
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Interview went well IMHO.
Have to wait until the end of the week to find out exactely how well it went.
They loved asking questions like "What support structure would you recommend?" I don't know because I don't know the environment, the people, the funding etc..... Seemed to understand and I think was asking the question just to screw with the interviewees.
Anyway, have to see how it goes. Problem with moving to the country is the number of jobs to apply for reduces greatly.
Three against one, interviews are bad, panel interviews are worse.
Bunyip
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Fingers crossed for you mate
swannie
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Certainly hope this is how it is all going so we look forward to your interview updates and hearing from Bunyip in a little while
That was Bunyips interview not mine . Speewa & IT ,,,,,,, there are bricks in the walls that know more about IT than me >:D
So Bunyip when do you take over the world ??? ???
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Ever tried a phone interview 8)
All I imagine is them sitting back making the 'crazy' signs with their hands and having a good old laugh. Once I thought they had all left.
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That was Bunyips interview not mine . Speewa & IT ,,,,,,, there are bricks in the walls that know more about IT than me >:D
So Bunyip when do you take over the world ??? ???
Yep knew what ya meant I just meant you were doing good commentary for him in his absence haha
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Best of luck for tomorrow
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Best of luck for tomorrow
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The interview was today ;D
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The interview was today ;D
Haha oops
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'Good luck mate.
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Best of luck sir...
Bill and Morag
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Ever tried a phone interview 8)
I love phone interviews. It's why I'm where I am now. You can fully prepare, have all the info you mite need at hand, and create a whole new persona if you need be.
when they phone bak and ask for a face to face, you know they're serious.
If they want you, you will hear from them 2moz.
Good luck.
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Good Luck ... it's all in the delivery. I need this job, I want this job, you need me to have this job.
Kit_e
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Good luck mate. I am in Nelson Bay all week otherwise I would have offered coffe to ease your pain. Hope it goes well.
Regards
Jas
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If they want you, you will hear from them 2moz.
Good luck.
Nah, govt style interviewing, they still have interviews for Thursday planned so wont hear back until Friday (That is what I am telling myself at least :) )
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Many years ago I went for a job interview, with the police. They were looking for "black-trackers".
I went to see them, and this was back in the bad old days, and they denied me because firstly I did not have enough formal education, and secondly because I did not want to stay in town.
I have no idea what either of those factors had to do with tracking, as people do not leave notes every where when they gt lost, and if you want to locate most people in and around towns like Halls Creek, sit outside the pub for a couple of hours, you'll find them. They ended up employing someone who never succeeded once in tracking anyone,he was from town and did not have desert skills.
Regards
Tjupurula
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Nah, govt style interviewing, they still have interviews for Thursday planned so wont hear back until Friday (That is what I am telling myself at least :) )
If it is for the Govt, don't hold your breath. It was 3 months from my interview till I was asked if I would like to take up the offer. I had given up all hope by then.
Hope it is better for you.
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Good luck mate - hope they give you a call with some good news!!
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If it is for the Govt, don't hold your breath. It was 3 months from my interview till I was asked if I would like to take up the offer. I had given up all hope by then.
Hope it is better for you.
It is tempting to explain just what you have to do to get approval for an appointment, but you probably wouldn't believe me.
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It is tempting to explain just what you have to do to get approval for an appointment, but you probably wouldn't believe me.
I can well imagine.
This isn't actually a govt job, just born from govt so very similar interview process. Panel of three with one being an independant, give you the questions that will be asked 10 mins before interview starts, etc...
They say they want a quick decision and start and all approvals are in place. Hope this works in my favour as I am available immediately.
Bunyip
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I generally dont do well at interviews,
I find it hard to 'sell myself'.
I cant bloat or say how great I am, I dont enjoy listening to people say how great they are, rather, let them show me, then I'll make my own decision. I guess I'm pretty modest and quietly spoken, but that doesnt sell during interviews.
I've missed out on plenty of great jobs as I am not one to rub my own shaft and yet worse, kiss someone else butt to show how good I might be.
Selling yourself is a tough one. Alot of people talk alot of crap and unfortunately, alot of the time, those that bullsh1t the most, go further.
Good luck with the interview.
I've just been accepted for a new position, casual at the moment, but hope the hours pick up shortly afterwards, got the opportunity through a reccomendation from a work colleague to another person in a similar trade. I would never have got anywhere relying on myself to 'sell myself'.
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Nah, govt style interviewing, they still have interviews for Thursday planned so wont hear back until Friday (That is what I am telling myself at least :) )
Good luck mate !!!
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Het Bunyip, Any News?
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Country you say ... Shoulda rocked in with a carton of Bundy cans under one arm and draggin the BBQ and half a cow with the other ..." Now whats this I hear bout a job goin, reckon we need ta have a bit of a yak bout this over a feed "....
Well thats pretty much how the nephew got his current job .
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No news yet, so at least I haven't got a no yet :)
Bunyip
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No news is good news mate
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I think i would ring them up at 11 am monday morning
Tapa Tapa talk is not as good as......"
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Yeah, going to ring them tomorrow morning and ask what is going on (in the nicest possible way).
Bunyip
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Good o.. It can show that you are keen..
Or it could show that you don't listen to instructions, Cos they would sSay, hey we told you we would ring you..
Hahahaha
Its up to you...
Tapa Tapa talk is not as good as using safari.
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Give them a ring, I worked in HR once and had no problem if someone rang up once, just don't ring everyday.
As you or someone said above, no news is good, means you didn't get dropped in the first cut or so.
Good luck
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I've sat in a few interviews and the person getting the job was ALWAYS the last one we rang. If we couldn't get through to those who didn't get it, then we simply had to delay calling the successful person until we had spoken everyone else.
So here's hoping!
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I've sat in a few interviews and the person getting the job was ALWAYS the last one we rang. If we couldn't get through to those who didn't get it, then we simply had to delay calling the successful person until we had spoken everyone else.
When I've employed, I have always rang the successful person first. Make sure they accept the job and not accepted something else or had a better offer, before declining the others.
Might have to go back and look again at second best.
I've had it happen to me. Been phoned and told unsuccessful, didnt make the cut. Shortly after, been phoned and told they could offer the job.
Makes you thinkif you werent good enough before, why now?
Lets hope Bunyip that everything works out well and that you do indeed get offered this position. Hope you get the call sooner, rather than later. Or in some cases, not at all. That really annoys me, not getting a courtesy reply to let you know the position has been filled. Always left sitting, wondering.
Good luck.
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One time I was talking to someone I'd worked with before (I was managing a project and his firm did some of the work) and he told me his firm was looking for a principal engineer and he'd like me to apply. It sounded interesting so I did apply, went for an interview which seemed to go well, then heard absolutely nothing.
I met the same guy some months later at an industry seminar and told him that you just didn't treat people like that: he apologised for the discourtesy shown by the firm (of which he was MD).
Since 1983 I have never got any job I've applied for: all the jobs I've had have been offered to me without an application. Just lucky I guess!
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checked with them yesterday and they didn't get hte short list done last week. The CIO is now out of town for the week so may not hear back until next week.
Bunyip
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Keep applying else where mate.
Don't hang on this one job, waiting for them. Keep applying, keep searching and keep positive!!
Its easy to get down about things and its hard when you (hopefully not) might get rejected.
Takes a knock and your positive attitude and self esteem can take a knock.
Stay positive and stay happy.
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Keep applying else where mate.
Don't hang on this one job, waiting for them. Keep applying, keep searching and keep positive!!
Its easy to get down about things and its hard when you (hopefully not) might get rejected.
Takes a knock and your positive attitude and self esteem can take a knock.
Stay positive and stay happy.
X2
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Keep applying else where mate.
Don't hang on this one job, waiting for them. Keep applying, keep searching and keep positive!!
Its easy to get down about things and its hard when you (hopefully not) might get rejected.
Takes a knock and your positive attitude and self esteem can take a knock.
Stay positive and stay happy.
Yeah mate,
Always looking and applying. When I was in Sydney i hit over 40 applications, in Orange I have found two jobs to apply for in IT.
Still contemplating a change of career and starting from scratch. Looking at getting my Heavy Rigid drivers license, do what Lost did in reverse :)
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Just got a call, second interview next Tuesday. Still in the hunt. Wahoooooo
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:cup: :cup: :cup: :cheers:
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Well done mate
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Great news. You're either in the last two or three, or, you're the preferred applicant.
My last " second interview" , after an initial phone interview, was really just to see if I was really interested, and wasn't a complete doofus! Somehow I passed ???
Good luck either way.
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Awesome stuff mate. Best of luck
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Awesome News!!! :cup:
Cheers
Evo
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Best of luck.
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thats promising :cheers:
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Woo Hoo good luck with the next one
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:cheers: best of luck
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Have you ever walked out of an interview feeling that nothing could have gone worse? I didn't get into any arguments with them or anything, just nerves got the better of me.
On reflection it probably wasn't as bad as it felt but I certainly think it coul dhave gone a whole heap better.
Should find out by the end of this week, back to the search.
Bunyip
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Have you ever walked out of an interview feeling that nothing could have gone worse? I didn't get into any arguments with them or anything, just nerves got the better of me.
I walk out of every interview like that mate.
Doesn't necessarily mean you did badly though.
Good luck anyway, I'm sure you did well.
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Cheers.
First "proper" interview in about 8 years and have not worked for six months, might explain the nerves.
Had a couple of agency interviews but nothing more than that.
Bunyip
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Have you ever walked out of an interview feeling that nothing could have gone worse? I didn't get into any arguments with them or anything, just nerves got the better of me.
On reflection it probably wasn't as bad as it felt but I certainly think it coul dhave gone a whole heap better.
Should find out by the end of this week, back to the search.
Bunyip
I have been at my current job since 1983 and have never had a job interview as such so I wouldnt know. However I have interviewed many people for positions and it is amazing how different people handle the process. I had 1 guy who was texting the whole time I was talking and couldnt understand why I said he wasn't suitable.I was thinking the other day how I would go if I should ever have to go for one. :cheers:
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Some time ago I was interviewing for an entry level job. We had a whole heap of people turning up and basically asking us to sign a form for centrelink. They had no intention of getting a job, just had to turn up to interviews to get the dole.
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Have you ever walked out of an interview feeling that nothing could have gone worse?
How about before the interview even starts ... like locking the keys in the car, with the engine running blocking the driveway to the joint 35mins from knockoff time?
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I have been at my current job since 1983 and have never had a job interview as such so I wouldnt know. However I have interviewed many people for positions and it is amazing how different people handle the process. I had 1 guy who was texting the whole time I was talking and couldnt understand why I said he wasn't suitable.I was thinking the other day how I would go if I should ever have to go for one. :cheers:
So what is it that's kept you for 30 years????
That's a good innings in the same job.
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Mate, there's always hope. I just came off 9 months out of work after taking a redundancy. Started looking again early this year. Countless applications with bugger all feedback and no interviews left me feeling a bit desperate. Then I seriously re-jigged the resume and cover letter and got an interview which landed me a job. My new employer was more interested in my customer relation skills than my IT skills and were prepared to cut me some slack on nerves.
So don't get down on yourself. If the jobs worth it it will work out. :cheers:
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So what is it that's kept you for 30 years????
That's a good innings in the same job.
I actually love my job, 4.5 days a week lets me play a lot of golf and go camping. I worked my way up from casual in 83 to manager in 04. The people I work for are fantastic who treat everyone like family. I love the small country town, it was a great place to raise our kids. Looking forward to the next 13 years on the job and then hope to retire.
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Good luck Bunyip.
Apologies in advance for using your thread to ask a job related question, but didn't think it was worth it's own. Please let me know if this is a problem.
A few of the replies seem to be from people well experienced with being the interviewer, also interviewees, so I was wondering, is there a general idea of how an interview is going by the amount of time it takes?
If each interview is allocated an hour, and some people take only 10mins, while others take around 45mins, who do you think is more likely to be in the running for the position?
Or is it really too hard to pick just on time it takes with there being far too many other variables?
Dee.
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Good luck Bunyip.
Apologies in advance for using your thread to ask a job related question, but didn't think it was worth it's own. Please let me know if this is a problem.
A few of the replies seem to be from people well experienced with being the interviewer, also interviewees, so I was wondering, is there a general idea of how an interview is going by the amount of time it takes?
If each interview is allocated an hour, and some people take only 10mins, while others take around 45mins, who do you think is more likely to be in the running for the position?
Or is it really too hard to pick just on time it takes with there being far too many other variables?
Dee.
Dee there are many variables, but the norm for me when I feel the candidate has potential is about 45 mins. Unfortunately there are plenty unsuitable but still allow at least 15-20 minutes, if they have no hope I try to provide the feedback there and then at the end of the interview
Swannie
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Dee there are many variables, but the norm for me when I feel the candidate has potential is about 45 mins. Unfortunately there are plenty unsuitable but still allow at least 15-20 minutes, if they have no hope I try to provide the feedback there and then at the end of the interview
Swannie
I am with Swannie on this one, whenever I have interviewed it is the 45 to 60 min timeframe that gets the job. I have had some that lasted less than 5 mins. THe person I was interviewing seriously told me they are jsut turning up to get the dole form signed and then they will be on their way. Needless to say I didn't sign their form, they were not happy.
Bunyip
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I went for a job at the shire for the tip manager, that was 45 mins.. Didnt get it cos i didnt wanna work weekends anymore..
And the other guy had more experience i suppose..
It was to manage about 5 transfer stations.. And work one..
This guy wont do a tip shop, so lots of ppl not happy..
Tapa talker
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Depends on the job in question. From a trade point of view, in 5 to 10mins you have a pretty good idea one way or another.
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If each interview is allocated an hour, and some people take only 10mins, while others take around 45mins, who do you think is more likely to be in the running for the position?
Or is it really too hard to pick just on time it takes with there being far too many other variables?
From a government perspective:
Really short tend to happen when the person is clearly unsuited. The interviewee is often giving yes/no answers instead of taking the opportunity to display their knowledge. Those short answers get taken as poor communication skills, so that by itself makes the candidate less desirable.
On the other hand, overlong interviews will often be because the interviewee has not understood the questions and the interviewers have to do lots of prompting. Alternatively, the interviewee can struggle to state their response clearly and is rambling badly and not noticing the panels hints that they should shut up. This is usually not good.
If you have scheduled an hour between interviews, you expect each one to take about 45 - 50 minutes, giving you enough time to compare thoughts with the rest of the panel, tidy up some notes, or dash to the loo.
An inexperienced interviewer can also fail to prompt for more info, or talk too much. So that can also affect it, but is usually reasonably constant across interviewees.
Hope this helps.
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Hmmm, thanks for the replies, nerve wracking business interviews are, and I'm not actually the one going through it atm!
Dee.
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went to an interview last week, 2.5 hours :o
was a good well structured interview, and hard work, but worthwhile :cup:
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I know the feeling of applying and getting no response as I too have been looking for IT work in Melbourne after being made redundant....lots of applications and very few call backs if any........
Hope you land the role.
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Mrs T & I met a chap last year whilst travelling. He was a public servant in Tassie. He related a story about interviewing a Y Gen girl for a job. Sloppily dressed, AND, when he had to step out of the office for a moment mid interview, he returned to find the girl on his computer checking her email!
Bugger me with a pitchfork but she got the job. He figured as much as he didn't appreciate the intrusion, she showed gumption and that's what he wanted.
I'd not have been so forgiving!
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Don't know what you lot are complaining about, my last interview went for 8 hours, first was a panel interview with 5 people, then another 4 one on one sessions :)
Felt rather good to be offered the job, only to turn it down. ;D
Back to the OP - one way I deal with the nerves during interviews is to remember that not only are they assessing you for suitability for the role, but you are also assessing them to see if you would want to work there. Be inquisitive, ask about their operation, put the spotlight back on them, make them ask some questions. Deep down people love talking about themselves, this makes them feel good, and they will associate that good feeling with you.
It also demonstrates that you have interest and ambition.
The other thing I would recommend is practice answering this question - "why should I employ you instead of the other guy sitting outside?", this will help you focus on your salesmanship. Essentially all that an interview is. You are trying to sell your services, so sell them.
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Bang on Symon,
Your also interviewing the employer as much as they are interviewing you.
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With my current employer I arranged a second interview so I could decide if I really wanted the job.
I already had a decent job, that just wasn't fully what wanted, so I didn't want to go to something that was worse. So I met with my future boss and his boss and asked a bunch of questions about what exactly I would be doing and especially about on- call arrangements etc. Finished it by asking them to match my current pay ( which they did).
Once they have decided they want you, you are in a better position to bargain. I was actually terrified at interviewing them, but it all worked out OK.
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Don't know what you lot are complaining about, my last interview went for 8 hours, first was a panel interview with 5 people, then another 4 one on one sessions :)
Felt rather good to be offered the job, only to turn it down. ;D
Back to the OP - one way I deal with the nerves during interviews is to remember that not only are they assessing you for suitability for the role, but you are also assessing them to see if you would want to work there. Be inquisitive, ask about their operation, put the spotlight back on them, make them ask some questions. Deep down people love talking about themselves, this makes them feel good, and they will associate that good feeling with you.
It also demonstrates that you have interest and ambition.
The other thing I would recommend is practice answering this question - "why should I employ you instead of the other guy sitting outside?", this will help you focus on your salesmanship. Essentially all that an interview is. You are trying to sell your services, so sell them.
Sorry, did you want me to talk about ME!!!! ;D
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so did u get the job
Peter,
Tapa talker
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Found out on Thursday afternoon, didn't get the job :-(
At least this place (unlike ANY other I have been too) asked if they could provide some feedback. Turns out I did not provide enough examples for the questions. The primary interviewer seems to be very firm on the time the interview will take right from the start so I tried to keep it brief so they could ask as many questions as they wanted.
Don't get me wrong I was incredibly nervous in these interviews which is not like me, if I didn't know me then I wouldn't have employed me either. Nerves are normal in interviews, my nerves seeemd (at least to me) over the top, not sure why.
They did give the the consolation that I was their second choice, which didn't provide any real consolation. :D
Onwards and upwards I go, got several other applications in place at the moment so let's see if any of these come through.
Bunyip
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Put it down to experience and use it at your next interview. Maybe write the questions they asked out and prepare some answers to them. I like to finish each question with what I want them to take away from the interview about me. Think of the 2-3 key reasons why they should employ you and always finish your answers with that. For example, if one of your reasons is 'you get the job done' then end each answer with 'and that's an example of how I get the job done'. Probably a bad example but I hope you get what I mean.
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Get what you mean and a great idea.
Will work on that.
For the first interview they actually gave a list of the questions they were going to ask 10 mins before the interview started. Never had that before.
Bunyip
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They call it a 'bridge' in PR, politicians use it all the time. They get asked a hard question and they don't answer the question but bridge back to the point they want to talk about.
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i had gone to several interviews, both agency and actual jobs, i usually want too nervous, but then went around aust and when back i went to one for roughly the same role but it was in the country too. i was extremely nervous and stuffed the interview, couldn't remember anything, including what tax software i use personally..
very embarrassing, dunno what they thought of me..
the job would have suited me very well too.. big shame..
last IT job i have been for..
Peter,
Tapa talker
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Yep, been Senior Project Manager for 2 yrs, do you think I could remember things like "scope of work", "functional requirements" and other basic pm terms during the interview.
Grrrrrrrr
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Sometimes our nerves really do get the better of us, in childcare you don't always end up interviewing as they often give casual work to see what you are like and if you go well usually you get the next permanent job available, with the bank I was surprisingly not overly nervous but I still had a job when I went for that interview so maybe I had the attitude of not much to lose and I knew by the end of the same week that I had the job. It is good that they have given you the feedback