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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jaysea on July 13, 2013, 10:28:46 PM
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In the last few days the camper has been in getting new hubs and wheels installed. So with the weekend here it was off to The bush to test it out.
We hit the freeway then the narrow windy Bells Line Road up the Blue Mountains. Heading towards Bilpin all of a sudden there is a large bang from the rear. The wife lets out a yelp and looking in the side mirror something is definitely not right.
Washing speed off the rig a small opening on the shoulder opens up and I manage to wrestle us off the road. Hoping out this is what I find........
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Yep - one missing wheel >:D >:D >:D
Looking at the hub there are four studs left and two pulled clean out of the hub.
Walking back down the road I find the wheel off in a paddock. The wheel has the two remaining studs with nuts still on them.
With the hub stuffed only one option and that is a tow.
Luckily we are with the extended care with NRMA who were fantastic and organised everything.
So we are sitting at a friends place in Bathurst thinking how lucky we're are.
- glad it didn't happen while doing 100km along the freeway
- lucky the wheel did not hit another oncoming car
- luck it was not while we were coming up the windy narrow part of the mountains
- luck we had a spot to pull up well off the road
- luck we have such a good car that it stuck to the road so well
I will leave it to another day to get angry about the company that fitted the wheels and what the cause may have been.
The family are safe and that is the most important thing.
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Wow very lucky. At least everyone is safe
Swannie
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Have you contacted the guys that fitted news hubs yet. Sounds like one hell of a coincidence.
Thank God no one got hurt, that is the main thing.
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WOW! Jaysea, you certainly were very lucky and I am glad nothing bad took place, it certainly could have been a lot worse.
I have seen those Skidzz and have been thinking about those for mine, they bolt onto the axle and are designed for situations like yours.
http://www.skidzz.com.au/ (http://www.skidzz.com.au/)
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Wow dam lucky,Would have thought the remaining 4 studs may have been just enough to hold the wheel on, I would guess there buggered aswell
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Yes luck was on your side thank goodness. Happy that you are all well, that is the main thing.
Cheers
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Wow!! Great that everyone's OK. Could have been a lot worse.
Seems odd that 2 studs were pulled from the hub and 4 remain.
I guess 4 wheel nuts have disappeared, and that left 2 to carry the load.
Any brand on the new hubs?
Some hubs are much lighter than others.
Were new wheels and nuts used?
Good luck sorting it out.
Cheers,
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Slater and Gordon?
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It sounds like a timely warning to all . When work is done Check Check & recheck . Sometimes standards today are not what they used to be . l am prepping for a tour , a solid once over . Checked the bearings only to find new grease in the front bearing , but dark used grease in the rear . Its the old wack a handful of grease in to make it look good trick .
You might be on the money Fuji , the no win no cost clause could be handy ,, Climb into them Big Time >:D
Glad you are all well :cheers:
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Wow you had a lucky escape, that could have ended badly. Did you check the nuts prior to leaving? What wheels did you have fitted?
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I hope your bought yourself a Caskett Ticket that day.
Well done controlling the stop.
Cheers Nomad.
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Nomad you mean Lottery ticket by the look of it almost got a casket ... >:D
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Wow, every CT owners worst nightmare. Glad there were no injuries. Be interested to hear what the hub and tyre fitters have to say. Bit of a coincidence.
Hey speewa, Nomad would be a Queenslander (watch us roar on Wednesday). We had the Golden Casket Agency up here long before they were called lottery tickets by them mexicans :D :D
KB
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Geez mate how lucky is that.
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Wow, glad you are all ok. You have great happy hour story to tell :)
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Thanks for the support.
The trailer is back with the company. I made them stay back last night until the tow truck arrived. They have been very apologetic and said they have already ordered new replacements and will have a good look over the next few days to see what may have gone wrong.
Rims are original toyota factory and all studs and nuts were also toyota genuine.
My assessment is that they mustn't have set the nuts properly and over short distance they worked loose. Once a few nuts dropped all the pressure was on remaining 2 which then pulled out of the hub.
What is annoying is that when I picked it up I thought about checking the nuts so walked around and tested them with my hand. In hindsight this was obviously not enough. Next time I'm carrying my torque wrench and checking myself.
Interesting discussion with the tow ruck driver how common this is with trailers. He gets lots of call outs for boat and caravans. He said people never check them and it only takes one to come loose to set up enough vibration for the others to then work loose.
I will definitely be checking mine more. Highly recommend you add it to you checklist.
Will let you know what they say.
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That really makes you sit up and take notice. Glad you and yours are all ok after that Jaysea. From now on I will regularly be checking the wheel nuts. Can anyone give me a heads up as to what torque the nuts should be done up to? Knowing me I'd go too tight and break them. :'(
Cheers
Daz.
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I know the feeling. On the cape trip in 2009 the rear wheel came of the cruiser and luckily I was only traveling at 30 klm an hour. $5000 damage as it hit the rear panel on the cruiser. Having members with me we got the wheel back on and more studs at Seisa.
Before the trip I had the wheels rotated by a tyre company. Now on every trip the nuts on camper and car are always checked non stop.
Mark
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Rims are original toyota factory and all studs and nuts were also toyota genuine.
Alloy? Hmm I am sending up OE nuts for my new camper, didn't think about the studs...
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.........Can anyone give me a heads up as to what torque the nuts should be done up to? Knowing me I'd go too tight and break them. :'(
Cheers
Daz.
You won't break anything with wheel brace, and a good bit of muscle should be enough.
Do them up in a diagonal pattern, and check with a circular pass.
I yell out "click" when I reckon they're tight enough..... ;D
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That really makes you sit up and take notice. Glad you and yours are all ok after that Jaysea. From now on I will regularly be checking the wheel nuts. Can anyone give me a heads up as to what torque the nuts should be done up to? Knowing me I'd go too tight and break them. :'(
Cheers
Daz.
nip up as tight as you can with a wheel brace and the re check with a breaker bar
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I'm a bit surprised they pulled out, from what I've seen of car hubs the studs have a mushroom shaped
head and the studs are pressed in from the rear. It is virtual impossible for them to pull out unless
they were to break. Even greatly over tightening will usually result in the nut stripping or the threaded
section breaking.
I would have a close look at the hubs if the studs are just welded in and don't have "heads" on them
I would be looking for a different hub setup.
Cheers
Leigh
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I would have a close look at the hubs if the studs are just welded in and don't have "heads" on them
I would be looking for a different hub setup.
Cheers
Leigh
No definitely proper studs as I supplied them. You can see where it has pulled the two of them clear through.
Here is a bit of interesting reading
As the nut is tightened, the stud or bolt stretches very slightly because it is in tension. Even when correctly tightened however, repetitive side loads not only can but do cause the thread within the nut to move very slightly from side to side. The thread being spiral and marginally stretched, such sideways movement momentarily reduces the frictional contact between the stud and the nut: this minutely and momentarily relieves tension in the stretched stud. The vectored forces thus act as a ratcheting mechanism that, in some circumstances, not only enables, but actually causes the nut to undo.
While obviously rare as I am sure many here do not regularly check their studs, it is never fun being that one in a thousand case.
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Happened to me once in my old series III Land Rover: about an hour out from Canberra on a very cold, drizzly sat arvo in winter I felt a vibration and stopped to check all the wheels. Didn't notice anything so got back in and drove off. About 500m down the road heard a bang, felt impact and back passenger corner of vehicle dropped. Said to my mate in passenger seat "blowout, bugger" to which he replied "um, look out my window" and beside the vehicle rolling along in the scrub was my back wheel & tyre. Managed to recover 3 of the 5 nuts by pure fluke, had 3 others holding the spare onto the back door so with spare in cargo area was able to keep going, not before having to chock the landie up as the standard jack wouldn't lift the damn thing high enuff to get the wheel back on. Raided a handful of newly installed guide posts from the road side, had to smash the reflectors off to keep the posts level, but what else to do? Hub had a flat spot where the braking effect had worn it away, didn't care as the vehicle was a weekend play toy bought for a pittance. Never checked the wheel nut tension, and this thread is a timely reminder to do so.
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I love rattle guns.................
NOT
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Sorry to hear about your misfortune but glad to hear that all of you were all ok.
Sounds obvious, but I would be getting them to check the other side too!!
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Wow - you certainly don't expect something like that to happen. Glad to hear you were all OK - given the circumstances, it sounds like you were very lucky indeed.
Slater and Gordon?
There's been no loss, so there's nothing to claim for. And anyway, I'd recommend their competition 8).
Cheers,
Matt
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Wow - you certainly don't expect something like that to happen. Glad to hear you were all OK - given the circumstances, it sounds like you were very lucky indeed.
There's been no loss, so there's nothing to claim for. And anyway, I'd recommend their competition 8).
Cheers,
Matt
Maurice B's? I agree.
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I once had a set of tyres fitted to an old range rover with alloy wheels. These wheels have thick steel washers that fit under the wheel nuts. Sometimes the washer would sick to the nut and sometimes stick in the wheel. So of course I ended up with a wheel with no nuts. After a few weeks of driving the nuts had worked loose and damages the wheel. We were travelling on the freeway but luckily I found the problem before the front wheel fell of!
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Jaysea,
First and foremost glad everyone was OK and it all worked out in the end. Pity you didn't get to do what you had planned to because of someone's incompetance.
Wow - you certainly don't expect something like that to happen. Glad to hear you were all OK - given the circumstances, it sounds like you were very lucky indeed.
There's been no loss, so there's nothing to claim for. And anyway, I'd recommend their competition 8).
Cheers,
Matt
Not that I would ever jump to litigate but in the one instance I was tempted I suffered no loss.
There was no loss when the family couldn't take the trip because the car was unservicable,
There was no loss because I ended up taking holidays when I didn't need to
There was no loss because instead of having the Landcruiser I had to squeeze the family of 5 (including a baby seat) into a Hyundai Excel
There was no loss because I had to interrupt my life on several occasions to drop off/pick up loan cars given to me by my family because insurance wouldn't cover a loan car upfront. I would have had to hire a car (didn't have the cash to do that at the time) and then try to claim it back at the end. We were both insured by the same company so bucklies and none of that happening.
I was fortunate enough to get out of the accident OK, as did my son and the lady driving the other car so in that respect I am extremly grateful.
The lady that drove infront of my car had her car written off on the Monday, cheque in hand by Wednesday and next car by Thursday.
I had to wait 5 weeks for parts etc... Why can someone else's incompetance cause distruption and inconvienience to my families life and all they have to do is pay the excess and be done with it. Perhaps if people could be held to account for more than a $600 excess they might be a little more careful.
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Hi,
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cheers
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Hi,
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cheers
Wheel nut indicators!! >:D >:D sick of seeing and hearing about them! They are anal about them at work!
But in all serious they are a great idea! They are also designed to melt when the area is starting to heat up so I've been told.
But back to the OP, that looks just like a problem I had with a pair of tyres on my dog trailer many moons ago. The workshop tyre fitter who is normally great spun a for tyre and rotated a few tyres around my trailers. We think he didn't tighten up the last of the tyres done with the torque wrench and after driving from Jondaryan to Capella to load then into Mackay port to unload had put some stress of them. We ran Alcoa rims so once ninged up they don't need re-torquing. I also done my morning (pre start) all the time and had a look and kick of the tyres, didn't notice anything a miss at Capella. I pulled up at Eton Pads to split up and I had taken my lead down to Mackay and came back for my B Double and while walking around to swap the signs around on the back I looked and noticed two wheel nuts missing. I checked the rest and fare enough, a few more were loose and the rim had started to flog out on the studs. I thought "oh no" so I checked all the others that were done down at the workshop with the wheel spanner, no others were loose.
This caused other problems when it came to unload considering it was a tip over axle trailer but that's a different story for a different day or maybe around a fire. We chained up the axle to get to Mackay.
Now I'm sure someone would pop up and say something like ya should check you nuts all the time but with 14 axles with 10 nuts each side that's 280 wheel nuts to check on the one unit! But after that I made sure I checked all wheels that had been changed after that day a few hours down the road from the workshop.
Now I'm rabbiting on but the moral of the story is to be sure check yourself. It was done by a workshop and unless you are told to check something down the road they should responsible for the mishap. Thankful no one was hurt.
Cheers and beers
Sticko
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The advice in our Australian OffRoad Quantum manual is to check the wheel nuts for security 100 & 400 km after any wheel removal & refitting. Fortunately I've only ever had to nip some nuts, just a little.
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It's not the best feeling in the world when you see your camper wheel flying down the road beside you is it? :o
Glad you all survived the experience unharmed, and I hope you get back out on the road again soon.
Fingers crossed for a speedy fix :)
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If you have a Patrol GU the you know that you have to check.
Friends were driving in the Kimberley 2 years ago when suddenly their left rear overtook them and bounced off into the bush.
They were all fine but got scared.
They couldn't find the wheel, but on their way back thought to give it another go. They found the wheel 200 meters away from the road.
Back home they heard that many Patrols have the same issue and Nissan had rectifed it by these nut indicators.
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If you have a Patrol GU the you know that you have to check.
Friends were driving in the Kimberley 2 years ago when suddenly their left rear overtook them and bounced off into the bush.
They were all fine but got scared.
They couldn't find the wheel, but on their way back thought to give it another go. They found the wheel 200 meters away from the road.
Back home they heard that many Patrols have the same issue and Nissan had rectifed it by these nut indicators.
This is why there is a torque wrench in the car all the times. I check them regularly when out and about
GG
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Glad to see there was not a bad outcome and that the company are taking responsibility.
Many of you will know the issue of Patrol alloys, particularly the left rear, departing from the vehicle and going bush. As a consequence I use a torque wrench to check both the vehicle and trailer at regular intervals. The occasional nut may require an 1/8 of a turn to get back to the correct torque setting (133nm).
I am particularly anal about checks after a 100 and 500 ks, as mentioned above, when a wheel has been changed/rotated.
Nissan even put out a video on how to: - http://youtu.be/Kj4rSRbA67A (http://youtu.be/Kj4rSRbA67A)
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glad to hear nobody was hurt and welcome to the club, same thing happened to me over the easter weekend lucky i had a spare lazy hub i could fit to get me home, not a nice experience but a very common occurrence by the sounds of it.