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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: maverick01 on June 03, 2013, 08:27:04 PM
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Well I have finally received permission from the better half to get the tune up/ power upgrade to the patrol.
We currently own an 05 GU 4.2 tdi and it struggles towing the camper up some hills and 1 hill in particular was Cunningham Gap.
Well the car is booked in at Mike Vine Turbo and Performance for late July so can't wait. Mike is claiming power increases of roughly around 60-70% at 1500-1800 rpm and 40-50% increases from 2000rpm on.
From what I have been told he knows his stuff. So I'm hoping people on here have used him also.
Your opinions would be greatly appreciated.
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What is your budget, and what exactly are you having done...?
Tyres are a big killer on the 4.2 even with the Garrett and custom intercooler.
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He is replacing injectors, adjusting valve clearances, modifying fuel pump, new filters, putting it on the dyno and the cost is about $1800. I know there are defiantly other things he is doing but I can't remember.
The reason I went with him is because I have only heard good reports about him and I'm not interested in using someone who tunes it without using a dyno. Don't get me wrong if people want to do that to there own vehicle that's fine but I have over 50 grand tied up in this vehicle and would like it hopefully done wright.
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He is replacing injectors, adjusting valve clearances, modifying fuel pump, new filters, putting it on the dyno and the cost is about $1800. I know there are defiantly other things he is doing but I can't remember.
the std fuel pump is not worth much over ~120rwkw, the mods they can do is a 12mm cruiser plunger in it over the stock one, but that's part of a complete rebuild at around 2.5-3k pump alone.
But you can change the figures put out by the dyno fairly easily I've read, sometimes just to please the customer. but if you have a good tuner, that's even betterer.
The reason I went with him is because I have only heard good reports about him and I'm not interested in using someone who tunes it without using a dyno. Don't get me wrong if people want to do that to there own vehicle that's fine but I have over 50 grand tied up in this vehicle and would like it hopefully done wright.
yep, its good to have dyno sheets and get the best you can.
if you can, borrow a set of 31's for the day and compare the 285's and 31's. you will lose around 20rwkw and 100rw/nm! I couldn't believe it until I had the sheets.
Also if you don't have a boost gauge and EGT gauge fitted - get them.
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Already got pyro and boost gauges fitted. I have 285s on the car. I can't get hold of any 31s unfortunately.
Are you saying to go with someone who doesn't use a dyno that way the can't fudge the power increases?
From what I'm led to believe this guy is well known around the hi performance industry and apparently use to race hi powered ski boats. He has be around for about 25-30 years apparently
You have me a bit concerned now.
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Are you saying to go with someone who doesn't use a dyno that way the can't fudge the power increases?
From what I'm led to believe this guy is well known around the hi performance industry and apparently use to race hi powered ski boats. He has be around for about 25-30 years apparently
Nope...
Saying YES = DO use someone with dyno.
Using a dyno is the only way to get the fuel/air mixtures right.
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Already got pyro and boost gauges fitted. I have 285s on the car. I can't get hold of any 31s unfortunately.
Are you saying to go with someone who doesn't use a dyno that way the can't fudge the power increases?
From what I'm led to believe this guy is well known around the hi performance industry and apparently use to race hi powered ski boats. He has be around for about 25-30 years apparently
You have me a bit concerned now.
Mav, don't be concerned, Mike has been doing this stuff forever! He's not very excitable to talk to on the phone ;D but he knows the TD42's and the 1HZ/FTE's like the back of his hand.. And likely to have it doing wheelies up Redland Bay rd when you pick it up!
You're onto a good thing mate. Mike's a more than honest bloke and also seem's to care more about the longevity of that thing under your bonnet than his back pocket :cheers:
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I didn't know you could get increases like that without turbo mods (which cost $2k on its own). I look forward to seeing the outcome.
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Sounds good mate, it will be interesting to find out what he does and what gains he ends up getting. New injectors, adjusting the tappets and tweaking the stock pump must be just a part of it going by the figures quoted.
Just on a side note, a mate of mine has twice now upgraded his intercooler on his 4.2 GU and both times says it has made a huge increase in power? Does an aftermarket intercooler really make that much difference over a stock one? I understand the cooler the air the better but are the stock ones that bad at cooling the air?
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I didn't know you could get increases like that without turbo mods (which cost $2k on its own). I look forward to seeing the outcome.
Fuel pump tune, and 3inch exhaust, and no turbo on the dyno work gets you about 100rwkw depending on injectors and pump condition.
The MTQ turbo 'hi flow' mod is about the cheapest way to go for more.. but highly recommended to use the Qld MTQ office. Mate (John on Eoz) has driven from melb up there with 3 GUs over the years, and wont go near the melbourne place which is less than 10klms from his place!
Otherwise its Garret and stuff and thats when you really hit the rev limiter on the wallet.
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He is replacing injectors, adjusting valve clearances, modifying fuel pump, new filters, putting it on the dyno and the cost is about $1800. I know there are defiantly other things he is doing but I can't remember.
Is there something im missing? 1800 without exhaust & dump pipe upgrade? sounds like a lot of $ to me.
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There are other things he is doing but at the moment I can't remember them. Already got a 3inch Beaudesert exhaust.
$1800 might be a bit over the top but I would rather pay a bit more for someone who knows there stuff and has no problem explaining stuff. There are people that do backyard jobs but there is no guarantee on how long motors last where as Mike warrants all his work and I have been assured by others he won't push a engine beyond its limits.
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Hi maverick01,
$1800 is cheap if you get what you want, as Lost has stated the fuel pump conversation can cost over 3 grand alone add a bigger turbo , double that. One thing you may want to talk to your guy about for a performance mod in the future is getting your Nissan turbo modified to run on bearings instead of the standard sleeves. The turbo will spool up faster and run smoother giving you the power quicker and the turbo will last longer.
cheers duggie and oh yea :worthles:
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Hi maverick01,
$1800 is cheap if you get what you want, as Lost has stated the fuel pump conversation can cost over 3 grand alone add a bigger turbo , double that. One thing you may want to talk to your guy about for a performance mod in the future is getting your Nissan turbo modified to run on bearings instead of the standard sleeves. The turbo will spool up faster and run smoother giving you the power quicker and the turbo will last longer.
cheers duggie and oh yea :worthles:
I have had the factory Turbo upgrade done as Duggie mentions above with fuel pump mods running 12psi boost and pull 107rwkw on 33in and pulls hard off idle. Very happy and worthy mod...My next mod will be intercooler.....
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Also if you don't have a boost gauge and EGT gauge fitted - get them.
This ^ should be your first mod...
After that, your wallet governs.
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...My next mod will be intercooler.....
Do tell.....
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Gauges are already fitted.
Tea bag I was envious of your truck when we did the cape back in 09. I had the heavily modded grey GQ back then.
I will try to call the guy tomorrow to enquire about modifying the standard turbo to run in ball bearings instead. I know I need to get the turbo modified but what's more important that or a snorkel for cleaner air ?
The missus said I can't spend anymore on the car until I do a few things for her. So looks like I'm working in the yard this weekend to get that stuff done.
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Gauges are already fitted.
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I will try to call the guy tomorrow to enquire about modifying the standard turbo to run in ball bearings instead.
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Yeah, I missed the gauges bit. Sorry.
I wouldn't bother spending money modding the HT18. My standard turbo is in a box in the shed.
There are much better options, and not just Garrett. Ball bearings are not necessarily the answer, either.
Depends on your budget, and what you want out of it.
:cheers:
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I will try to call the guy tomorrow to enquire about modifying the standard turbo to run in ball bearings instead. I know I need to get the turbo modified but what's more important that or a snorkel for cleaner air ?
The missus said I can't spend anymore on the car until I do a few things for her. So looks like I'm working in the yard this weekend to get that stuff done.
tell her the snorkel comes as part of the package... :)
The best idea, is work out where you want to end up.. dont go the other way round or you will keep spending and spending 1000's going sideways..
Work out what power/torque you want to end up with. Then speak with your tuner.
At the moment, sounds like you have no idea what you want to end up with but "just more".
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The best idea, is work out where you want to end up.. dont go the other way round or you will keep spending and spending 1000's going sideways..
Work out what power/torque you want to end up with. Then speak with your tuner.
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That's excellent advice.
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The best idea, is work out where you want to end up.. dont go the other way round or you will keep spending and spending 1000's going sideways..
Work out what power/torque you want to end up with. Then speak with your tuner.
Thats easy......as much hp and torque as possible and here is what I have to spend.............. ;)
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Thats easy......as much hp and torque as possible and here is what I have to spend.............. ;)
Yep. The hard part is finding the right tuner......
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Yep. The hard part is finding the right tuner......
You know me mate......"No Money Danny" do it yourself ;D
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Thanks guys.
I honestly never thought i would have received this much feedback
Basically all i want is more torque and power than what i currently have. At the moment it pulls the camper easily along the flat open roads but the moment we come to any size hill the car slows wright down and the pyro hits 500 easily.
Im not asking for drag race material although it would be very nice.
Budget at the moment is roughly 2000-2500 but once i get some jobs done for the wife then i can spend more money.
As the old saying goes HAPPY WIFE=HAPPY LIFE
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Basically all i want is more torque and power than what i currently have.
At the moment it pulls the camper easily along the flat open roads but the moment we come to any size hill the car slows wright down and the pyro hits 500 easily.
so overfuelling is an issue at moment.
When was the last proper tune done, not performance tune, but a proper tune up and fuel filter changed?
Budget at the moment is roughly 2000-2500 but once i get some jobs done for the wife then i can spend more money.
I would be asking for info on what $1800 gets you. for a tune as Dan says, even if the bloke that invented horsepower was doing it, it sounds very expensive for basic tune up, but nowhere near enough for a larger tune.
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From what im lead to believe its more of an advanced tune up and i know i could get it tuned up cheaper elsewhere but im happy paying a bit more to have someone thats well known in the industry.
Im unsure of when the last tune up was done as i have never had it done in the 12 months that i have owned the car for.
I will replace the fuel filter this weekend but he did say that he will be doing that anyway
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so overfuelling is an issue at moment.
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.....or not enough air. Seems like it's still on factory boost of 8psi max.
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I had my standard 1HZ cruiser turboed by Mike vine about a year ago, part of the installation was to give it a good tune, all the other performance aspects of the motor not directly related to the turbo was also checked, much much better off idle even with no turbo boost it even starts better, there was noticeable difference, I will most certainly go back when tune time comes again, I'm not sure what he can do for you
In the nearly 12 months from the instal I have had zero issue and only have had to ring him once and that was to thank him for a good job.
My cruiser tows my Jayco swan OB with the wife and 3 kids and mother in law fully loaded up Toowoomba range in 3rd, It was pushing the limits however with temps, but from a performance point of view it does it quicker now with van on loaded to the hilt (close to 5 ton) than it used to by myself with the cruiser empty.
I found Mike to be forthright and honest, he's price was at the dear end of the scale but I the feeling I got was I'm getting what I paid for, with 12 months retrospect, I'm still happy,
My fuel economy did slide when towing, but is the same when empty running, and now to have the ability to overtake to boot.
Thumbs up for Mike from me
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That's great news mate and thanks for the info.
Yes the patrol is big standard still running factory boost which reads on the gauge as a bit over 9psi. Yes I'm running vdo gauges only use the best and i fitted a 3inch mandrel bent Beaudesert exhaust. Hopefully this weekend I will be fitting the thermo fan too.
I'm really looking forward to seeing the difference
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............and i fitted a 3inch mandrel bent Beaudesert exhaust............
Did you do the dump housing on the back of the turbo as well?
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Well Maverick01 you are on a winner with Mick Vine as he is one of the best in the business.
Ford engaged him for their FPV's and other projects. I too have had the MV work and nothing but praise for his no nonsence no bull workmanship :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Gmac
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Hopefully this weekend I will be fitting the thermo fan too.
the factory clutch fan is sufficient if your fuel/air is correct. I have no issues with mine
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Yes I did for the 3inch dump pipe too.
I should have been more specific in regards to the thermo fan. I have got to fit the thermo fan to the top of the intercooler.
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Yes I did for the 3inch dump pipe too.
I should have been more specific in regards to the thermo fan. I have got to fit the thermo fan to the top of the intercooler.
Don't do it.
http://www.are.com.au/Inter/topMountIntercoolers.htm (http://www.are.com.au/Inter/topMountIntercoolers.htm) Look at the graph and figures on this page.
Now, a myth that needs changing. On internet forums, it is very common too read that little air goes into a Patrol scoop & if the car has a bull bar, no air goes into the scoop at 100kph.
The first part is right, in relation too the vehicle air speed, only a small amount does go into the scoop & through the core, BUT, at 100kph, more air is going through than at 60 kph. Tests have been done with rain drops & ribbons taped in front of the scoop & why they have given a false 'picture' of what is actually happening is because there is an intercooler under the scoop.
Reading above & checking fan air flow testing in our R&D page, the core presents quite a resistance too air flow, so it only allows a percentage of the air that enters an open scoop to flow through it.
Once the scoop cavity has filled with air (compressed too it's limit), no more air can enter the scoop, so it flows over the top of the scoop, which is why rain droplets or pieces of ribbon, stand up & over the top of the scoop, giving the appearance that no air is going through the intercooler at all.
In fan testing we conducted for Repco back in 2003, we got the following results.
Their imported 10" ICE fan pulled 2.92m/sec or 10.5kph @ 382.8cfm. through a 56mm water core. Note the actual dia. was 11".
A Davies Craig 10" fan pulled 3.31m/sec or 11.8 kph @ 381.1cfm through the same 56mm water core.
To make this worse, a 16" Davies Craig fan rated @ 2210cfm pulled 1822cfm through the same 56mm water core, but only 1358cfm through a 55mm intercooler core !
This means the air flow through a 10" fan will be down around 8kph through your intercooler & 7kph through ours, so it's slow speed slogging only, the increase will
be a small gain, but at 100kph it will be a small loss. This is an assumption, we have not tested this yet.
Also note that from our R&D testing, if the fan blade is around the wrong way & you just swap the wire polarity, you will loose 32 - 39% air flow ! In other words, if you buy
a puller fan & you can't turn the blade over, - take it back or sell it, & buy a pusher, or vice versa.
I will calculate the cfm. figures for air speed though our intercooler cores & scoops very soon & publish here - this will make the above figures more relevant.
Your better off to go for a better scoop.
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^^^ Now you tell us..
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Some people wire there intercooler fan to stay on all the time but I was putting mine on a switch to only use it while either 4wd or towing the camper up steep hills on the highway. Yes I realise these fans are useless over 50kmh.
I already had a fan sitting in the garage so it's not like I have to outlay more money.
I will eventually fit another scoop if I can find 1 that looks good.
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Some people wire there intercooler fan to stay on all the time but I was putting mine on a switch to only use it while either 4wd or towing the camper up steep hills on the highway. Yes I realise these fans are useless over 50kmh.
I already had a fan sitting in the garage so it's not like I have to outlay more money.
I will eventually fit another scoop if I can find 1 that looks good.
I also have a 2.8 fan in the shed... but that's where its staying
If you don't have the fan running, it will block the air flow.
I like these
http://www.totalcare4wd.com.au/index.php/accessories/dragon-composites/bonnet-scoop-mk1 (http://www.totalcare4wd.com.au/index.php/accessories/dragon-composites/bonnet-scoop-mk1)
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I see your point Lost but unfortunately I have to disagree with you on if the fan is not running it will block air.
As if there is no power to the fan. The amount of air being pushed into the scoop at 100km will therefor make the fan turn. I'm not saying it won't restrict some air but it defiantly won't block all air flow.
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Watching this discussion with lots of intrest.
So far the Patrol has the 3 inch exhaust and dump pipe, a tune on the dyno with no alterations to pump but a boost contoller fitted to 12 pounds, high flow air box, boost and EGT guages.
Looking for further poke yet and thinking of doing something with the turbo and also a new bonnet bulge adjuster. Keep the ideas and facts coming
GG
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12mm pumps are gooooooooood....... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I like these
http://www.totalcare4wd.com.au/index.php/accessories/dragon-composites/bonnet-scoop-mk1 (http://www.totalcare4wd.com.au/index.php/accessories/dragon-composites/bonnet-scoop-mk1)
I have the Mk2 version...very well made, and fit beautifully.
Do they make a difference?? I dunno, 'cos I've never done back to back runs, but I've never had EGT issues either.
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I see your point Lost but unfortunately I have to disagree with you on if the fan is not running it will block air.
As if there is no power to the fan. The amount of air being pushed into the scoop at 100km will therefor make the fan turn. I'm not saying it won't restrict some air but it defiantly won't block all air flow.
I read through all the for and against when I had my 3.0L patrol, different beast I know but the intercooler is in the same spot and it "looked" to be about the right size.
I ended up putting a 8" fan and shroud on the top of my intercooler that was connected to the ignition through a 50degC temperature switch that was mounted to the side of the intercooler. At the time I was doing alot of trips between Dubbo and Narellan. On the very next time I did the trip with the fan on, my economy improved by ~8%. I was previously getting near on 13L/100k's for the trip and it went to 12L/100k's.
Now I know it is not very scientific, however for the previous 3 years my economy was generally about 13L/100k's, post fan my economy under the same conditions used to be 12-12.5L/100k's. I have also done this mod to three other 3.0L patrols and all have had about the same effect.
I understand that the 4.2 is a different beast, however seeing as the fans only cost about the same as a carton of beer, what have you got to loose. If I had another 3.0L patrol I would do it again, no questions asked.
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My plans are to install the fan and run some tests on it and get back to you
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12mm pumps are gooooooooood....... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yep, they are on another planet! But so is the cost :(
I have the Mk2 version...very well made, and fit beautifully.
I didn't see a mark 2.. whats the difference in the 1 and 2??
How much did you pay? I want supply only, not payin some tool 200 to undo a couple of screws!
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I didn't see a mark 2.. whats the difference in the 1 and 2??
How much did you pay? I want supply only, not payin some tool 200 to undo a couple of screws!
See if we can do better for 2 Lost, maybe save a few coins
GG
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See if we can do better for 2 Lost, maybe save a few coins
GG
read my mind.
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See if we can do better for 2 Lost, maybe save a few coins
GG
Maybe 3 if you guys can wait until Im back from our top end holiday
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Yep, they are on another planet! But so is the cost :(
Sad, but true......
I didn't see a mark 2.. whats the difference in the 1 and 2??
How much did you pay? I want supply only, not payin some tool 200 to undo a couple of screws!
Mk1's (as in the pic in the link) aren't street legal, or they weren't when I was buying.
Mk2's look like a GU scoop on steroids, and are street legal.
http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/supporting-vendors-51/bonnet-scoop-gu-intercooler-53788/ (http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/supporting-vendors-51/bonnet-scoop-gu-intercooler-53788/)
Look familiar???
I bought mine when Barney was still doing them on Patrol4X4. Supply only, but wasn't cheap then, either. Don't remember the exact dollars. $385, painted to match, rings a bell.....
You have to deal through someone else, now.
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I've called them.
The bloke is david I spoke to.
They have a Mk1 Mk2 and Mk3
He has no photos of Mk2 and 3 yet, but they are shallower than the Mk1...
Price is 585each painted to your colour code and shipped... No better price on multis... :(
Too rich for me.
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Ok
they have a Mk1 Mk2 and Mk3
but he has no photos of Mk2 and 3 yet, but they are shallower than the 1.
Pics of Mk1, 2 & 3 in the link 2 posts back ^.....
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Pics of Mk1, 2 & 3 in the link 2 posts back ^.....
cant see em :(
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Here ya go.....hopefully....
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Mk3...
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Here ya go.....hopefully....
sweeeeeeeeeeeet.
I want Mk 1.. and would pay $350 painted. not 600 :( Its not made from weapons grade uranium.
I can get laid well for 600
Sorry Maverick for takin over your thread... now back to normal channels.
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I have a Mk3, lucky for me I got it when the prices were a bit more reasonable.
There is a Mk2 for sale on P4x4 right now, $250 with all fitting kit and painted 531 White.
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I have a Mk3, lucky for me I got it when the prices were a bit more reasonable.
There is a Mk2 for sale on P4x4 right now, $250 with all fitting kit and painted 531 White.
Too late....
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Too late....
I'd have grabbed it for 250, but aint on there so cant do.. probably good its gone :D
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Have I missed something here with all this talk about bigger scoops? Doesn't this point from the cut n pasted comment mean a bigger scoop is going to do nothing more?
Once the scoop cavity has filled with air (compressed too it's limit), no more air can enter the scoop, so it flows over the top of the scoop, which is why rain droplets or pieces of ribbon, stand up & over the top of the scoop, giving the appearance that no air is going through the intercooler at all.
Doesn't the scoop fill with air and become compressed because the air is restricted by the intercooler core? On this basis the limitiation of air through the intercooler is not the scoop, but the intercooler itself? If you improved the flow (reduced the restriction) of air through the intercooler then a bigger scoop maybe valid and help feed more air over the intercooler, but if you are using the standard intercooler then my understanding from the quoted point above is that the standard scoop is big enough to supply enough air flow.... ???
Maybe I've missed something in this conversation?
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Have I missed something here with all this talk about bigger scoops? Doesn't this point from the cut n pasted comment mean a bigger scoop is going to do nothing more?
Doesn't the scoop fill with air and become compressed because the air is restricted by the intercooler core? On this basis the limitiation of air through the intercooler is not the scoop, but the intercooler itself? If you improved the flow (reduced the restriction) of air through the intercooler then a bigger scoop maybe valid and help feed more air over the intercooler, but if you are using the standard intercooler then my understanding from the quoted point above is that the standard scoop is big enough to supply enough air flow.... ???
I have a bigger intercooler :)
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I dunno about the site where the quote was cut n pasted from.......
They also loudly state that the bonnet protectors are a huge no-no. I've run mine with and without the protector, and it made stuff-all difference to EGT's either way.
I suspect there's a lot of smoke and mirrors going on there.
Seems to me that the real players make the least noise about it all..........
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No need to apologise about taking over the thread.
I started it to get peoples opinions and also for anyone else that maybe looking at going down the same path
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Have you had this work done yet?
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The vehicle was dropped of the other day and hopefully picking it up either today or tomorrow. I will post up photos of the dyno sheet and any other info if people require it.
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What are you having done?
I'm fitting an 18g core into my UFI TD05 tomorrow... ;D ;D ;D
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Only just seen this thread.
To be quite honest, the best mod I did to improve performance and economy...........4.3 diff gears.
With 33s brought everything back to factory. Yes the denco swap improved things, pump and boost is factory - only fuel was increased, and with vehicle weight of close to 4t loaded for a trip, 5th gear overtaking no issues and over $1.30 by the time im at the front of the road train.
If I'm towing, I use a lower gear-higher revs and watch the egt gauge. Always under 500.
Just my observations and opinions.
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You will be able to give it a test run up Cunningham"s gap next weekend.
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I will post up the dyno sheets later on as soon as someone can explain how too.
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I will post up the dyno sheets later on as soon as someone can explain how too.
Easiest way I know, is to just take a pic with the camera and post it.
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This was the results prior to any work being carried out.
Bear in mind that this vehicle runs 285/75/17.
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Now this is the results of it after the work was carried out.
Now some may say it hasn't changed much but I will say it now pulls better than it ever did.
Mike had asked if the previous owner did many high way miles in it as there was a large amount of carbon built up in the exhaust.
If anyone knows Victoria well. But all this car mainly did was travel from Mooroopna to Shepparton daily which is only about 6klms. It did do some highway miles but know where near as many as it should.
I defiantly will be recommending Mike Vine to everyone. Yes he may not have been the cheapest but the customer service I received was second to none.
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I think you've achieved a good result.
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Yea I'm as happy as a pig in ( you know what)
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That looks like a decent improvement. Did he tell you what he did to get it?
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I will get the receipt out of the wife's car and post it up this arvo
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How can I reduce the KB of the file as the damn computer is saying its too large being over 500kb
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I use MS office picture or photo manager you can resize very easily, usually go for the large Web size or import to paint-shop type program to resize.
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download irfanview...
free :) and it does everything.
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Hope this works
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how you finding it now after some time...
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It's bloody awesome. I have done a comparison with fuel figures from before and after.
Before the tuneup, our best was around 15.7ltrs per 100kmh
Since the tuneup was done, 1st week after tuneup was 14.6ltrs per 100kmh
I have done a 2nd test after the tuneup and we managed to get it down to 13.3ltrs per 100kmh
I could probably get it down even further but I have a lead foot.
I'm our opinion it was well worth the money
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I'm our opinion it was well worth the money
and that's all that matters dude.. :) :cup: :cup: