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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: baldheadedgit on May 29, 2013, 05:20:36 AM
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Four wheel driver versus urban greenie #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alFkleV8ghw#ws)
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BHG
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Well worth the watch. Hopefully after the federal election, a lot of the power gained by the Greens will be lost and some of the track closures will open again.
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Hi BHG
For many thousands of years my ancestors have "burned country" to allow regeneration to bring new plants, green fodder for "game" and sustain the game animals such as kangaroos, emus and the like. The burning also sustained the areas by default, as it removed the natural dead plant material from the ground, therefore preventing major fires from spreading, although this was not something intended.
The area in which I live is called Paruku, an Indigenous Protected Area, and we encourage travellers and 4wders, knowing how much they love and respect the areas they travel through. We have fought against, and beaten several "Greenie" groups who have tried to tell us how to look after our country.
The true people doing the damage are the ones not allowing the country to be cared for with the knowledge and experience of thousands of years. Such things as fire breaks are almost useless when a "firestorm" occurs, as those flames will cross a large distance such as a firebreak with ease. I have seen it happen.
Regards
Tjupurula
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Agree 1000% with above comments.
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It really bugs me closing tracks.
We 4wders are natural lovers real nature lovers, thats why we go there.
We can't walk in and enjoy it that way.. We take our children in and pass on our love for the place so they can appreciate it..
They forget that companies have been born out of our love of the bush, huge companies like arb, right. Down to the small family run tour businesses.
These companies pay tax and lots of it, so our love of the bush pays for the maintenance of the tracks..
Not to mention that most of you pay tax and or gst, (which is tax too sorry)...
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Well Said Tjupurula
:cheers: sheeds
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Hi BHG
For many thousands of years my ancestors have "burned country" to allow regeneration to bring new plants, green fodder for "game" and sustain the game animals such as kangaroos, emus and the like. The burning also sustained the areas by default, as it removed the natural dead plant material from the ground, therefore preventing major fires from spreading, although this was not something intended.
The area in which I live is called Paruku, an Indigenous Protected Area, and we encourage travellers and 4wders, knowing how much they love and respect the areas they travel through. We have fought against, and beaten several "Greenie" groups who have tried to tell us how to look after our country.
The true people doing the damage are the ones not allowing the country to be cared for with the knowledge and experience of thousands of years. Such things as fire breaks are almost useless when a "firestorm" occurs, as those flames will cross a large distance such as a firebreak with ease. I have seen it happen.
Regards
Tjupurula
You have my vote! You'll be in politics soon with sound and knowledgable reasoning like this.
Cracka
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Hey Cracka..
One things for sure and very sadly too true, TJ and anyone else with sound knowledge and reasoning like that wouldnt even get a look in ... in politics .
The Goons that are there stack the deck in their favour each and every time to try too keep those with reasoning and knowlegde out of the picture..They suck every one in with grand promises and then slaughter any glimmer of it with greed of having power once their in charge .
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It really bugs me closing tracks.
We 4wders are natural lovers real nature lovers, thats why we go there.
what like Cheviot Tunnel?
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what like Cheviot Tunnel?
Hahahha. Thats not or wasnt a 4wd track..
And its an easy walk.. Its different than losing 4wd tracks..
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Great Watch, I remember 18-20 yrs ago when the greens where at there paranoid height and the amount of tracks that were closed through bunyip and alpine.They still cut through virgin bush to create fire breaks rather than using the track that had been there for many yrs prior. It really dosn't make a lot of sense to me why this goes on
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Fire breaks need to be in certain locations, top of ridges and up spurs etc..
For example blue rag track is a great ridgeline for a fire break
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Hi Mr Tjupurula,
Are you folks involved in the indigenous conference in Darwin?
Hopefully some interesting stuff will come out of it.
http://win.registerevent.net/conference-information.php (http://win.registerevent.net/conference-information.php)
Cheers,
John
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Hi Mr Tjupurula,
Are you folks involved in the indigenous conference in Darwin?
Hopefully some interesting stuff will come out of it.
http://win.registerevent.net/conference-information.php (http://win.registerevent.net/conference-information.php)
Cheers,
John
Hi John
It is just Tjupurula (no Mr in front of it).
No, we do noy get involved in a lot of those confererences, we do not need a bunch of solicitors and politicians telling us how we should live and do things. My ancestors lived for thouands of years without such meetings and tge like, and too many of those conferences simply use tax payers money so that various administrations can justify their existence.
Regards
Tjupurla
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Beat me BHG, You beat me by stuff all to posting this vid myself. I posted it on FB some 5 hours ago and got side tracked :-[
Tjupurula, I agree with you and well put, I do like reading your insight and seeing your side of things, :cheers:
Well done to this bloke for having the balls to upload this to YouTube for all to see. :cup:
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Beat me BHG, You beat me by stuff all to posting this vid myself. I posted it on FB some 5 hours ago and got side tracked :-[
Tjupurula, I agree with you and well put, I do like reading your insight and seeing your side of things, :cheers:
Well done to this bloke for having the balls to upload this to YouTube for all to see. :cup:
came across it on youtube by accident, you know how it is,, watch one then that leads to another,. ;D
BHG
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watch one then that leads to another,. ;D
BHG
(http://www.hairfysh.com/images/Icons/Smileys/thumbs%20up.gif)
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came across it on youtube by accident, you know how it is,, watch one then that leads to another,. ;D
BHG
Is there a normal link , that post above doesn't work for my iPad.
Edit got it working.
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Such things as fire breaks are almost useless when a "firestorm" occurs, as those flames will cross a large distance such as a firebreak with ease. I have seen it happen.
Regards
Tjupurula
Yep I don't see the point, having seen a fire jump a 250m wide section of the George's River.
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Well said mate
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Hi John
It is just Tjupurula (no Mr in front of it).
No, we do noy get involved in a lot of those confererences, we do not need a bunch of solicitors and politicians telling us how we should live and do things. My ancestors lived for thouands of years without such meetings and tge like, and too many of those conferences simply use tax payers money so that various administrations can justify their existence.
Regards
Tjupurla
I agree with you. I have seen gum trees explode in fire when the front was more than a kilometre away.
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GeeeeeZ lf the Dept of Sparks & Embers /Greens want to close tracks ,,, LET IT BURN . As TJ said its a part of the bush to revitilise it . The DUMB Suckers that follow the Green Band wagon wouldnt know if a Large Bush Fire was burning there backside .
Show me why these clowns , we know them can prove they have 1/2 a clue . As a CFA member the task of fire defence is only 1/2 the battel being prepaired is the other 1/2 . There are some DUMB People Out There
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Fire breaks need to be in certain locations, top of ridges and up spurs etc..
For example blue rag track is a great ridgeline for a fire break
Hi Brumbypt
May I please ask why the need to put these "firebreaks" in such areas (which I am not familiar with I admit). Even ridges and spurs can be "cleaned up" with a conrolled burn, unless completely inaccessible, in whic case noone should be there. Fires can only spread when there is sufficient litter (leaves, sticks, branches and the like) on the ground to keep the fire mpoving, and in the case of actual firestorms, nothing is going to stop them.
The physical heat from a firestorm travels up to 2 - 2 1/2 km's in front of a firestorm, causes vegetative matter to almost instantly dry and frequently just burst into flames, they are a massive force of nature, and thankfully not all that common. My sons and I were out at night, about 7 years ago, with a grader and front end loader, cutting a break between a fire and the community. As soon as the break was formed, we were back burning at the same time, and that was the only way the fire did not come through the community, as the major fire was pulling oxygen, so where we were cutting and back burning, the fire was dfrawing the new flames,. and pre-burning the area in its own path.
Regards
Tjupurulas
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Hi BHG
For many thousands of years my ancestors have "burned country" to allow regeneration to bring new plants, green fodder for "game" and sustain the game animals such as kangaroos, emus and the like. The burning also sustained the areas by default, as it removed the natural dead plant material from the ground, therefore preventing major fires from spreading, although this was not something intended.
The area in which I live is called Paruku, an Indigenous Protected Area, and we encourage travellers and 4wders, knowing how much they love and respect the areas they travel through. We have fought against, and beaten several "Greenie" groups who have tried to tell us how to look after our country.
The true people doing the damage are the ones not allowing the country to be cared for with the knowledge and experience of thousands of years. Such things as fire breaks are almost useless when a "firestorm" occurs, as those flames will cross a large distance such as a firebreak with ease. I have seen it happen.
Regards
Tjupurula
Your country is the way it is because it was changed through burning over 70,000 years. It is maintained this way by your current practices. In the south, where my people come from, burning was not carried out this way and our land is pretty much the same as it always has been in the same period (except of course for the land clearing after 1800)
If we were to start burning Tasmania, or Victoria, with fires like they do in your country the land would change in line with the practice and over time end up with a different landscape.
NB This is not a criticism of either peoples practices by the way.
These discussions rapidly turn into a burn everything and the greenies are to blame arguments however if you speak with most forest professionals they will tell you there are some forests that should be routinely cool burnt, others sometimes and others never ever. Fire control is far more complex than simply burning.
:cheers: