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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: PigletPastures on April 04, 2013, 01:29:05 PM
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Looking to upgrade to hard floor CT
would like to hear peoples good and bad news about thier own hardfloor CT
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Hey Piglet,
We have an Aussie Swag - 2010 Rover LX purchased new.
I can't say enough good things about this camper. Build quality - excellent. After sales service - exceptional. Durability - excellent. Resale value - excellent. Second hand availability - hens teeth are only slightly rarer, but the campers will be in top condition.
I can't really say much that is bad about them at all. We did make a list of the things we weren't so keen on over the weekend, but looking at them, it's all personal preference and no reflection on the camper itself to be honest. Our list included: move the main interior light switch / 1 large burner on the stove / no grill / wider awning (2.4m rather than 2.1m) / kitchen sink drain hole to the rear / extend the front of the awning ... it's all minor stuff really and none of it really gets up our noses at all - we are very happy with it.
You get what you pay for with the Aussie Swag. A top quality product that is going to go the distance and last you for years, with an after sales service that's second to none.
We are 98% satisfied with our purchase, but we picked, prodded, poked, drilled, bartered, compromised, checked out everyones product and knew exactly how we camped, before we made our final decision. We chose the camper with the best build, best value for money, which suited our camping style perfectly.
Kit_e
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Hey Piglet, where are you located?
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Aussie Swag, Kimberley Kampers, AORC seem to be the leaders. Pioneer have just updated their design and are now very attractive.
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Aussie Swag, Kimberley Kampers, AORC seem to be the leaders. Pioneer have just updated their design and are now very attractive.
There's also the fold-forward models from Modcon, which look attractive.
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Plus eleventy seven what kit-e said :cheers:
We got ours modified to fit a 60l Trailblaza, which means the nose on the camper is flat not sloped, and makes a much better place to rest foodstuffs going into or out of the fridge. And we have upgraded the mattress to inner spring, haven't tested it yet but it better be more comfy than foam!
Everything about it is ace, for us, a tvan was too closed for our liking in for the tropics, and because we didn't want another different fridge, the Kimberley didn't suit, as they did not recommend the fridge on the draw bar. Not keen on the inside kitchen of the Ultimate either, and that the bed wasn't fully made up.
There is very little else we have modified, it is just tweaking, eg we have placed small levels on both mud guards, non slip strips on the step up to the bed, and changed the jerry holders to also fit a porta potty. Worth every cent 8)
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Located in Brisbane
Info so far is great...
Really interested in hearing the bad things people have found about their hard floor..
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Last camping trip I was keenly watching a KK setup and I thought i looked very time consuming. Not sure if they were new to the CT or if it is a slow setup.
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PP - only biased opinions here! ;p
I've never seen a bad owner's review of the standard format (rear fold) top five (top = exy - but value is relative)... Kimberley Kampers, Aussie Swag, AORC, Pioneer and Complete Campsite.
I was only ever on market for conventionall rear-fold hard floor - so different designs like (fixed floor) Camprite and Ultimate weren't considered. And frankly lower-volume manufacturers like Robust i didn't know existed! And anything not engineered and fully built in Oz, was not considered.
If you want conventional rear-fold, then it's the usual questions - what can you afford? What features? Quality? Rugged off-road use? Weight? At one end of spectrum - a Cub might do it. At the other end, it's the 5 mentioned at top.
If you're looking at top-end of market, then to my mind the big factor is weight-v-comfort trade-off, and local servicability (reputable dealer in area, if not actual manufacturer?).
I went Complete Campsite because (1) I know and trust them having owned previous CC, (2) they are 'local' to me, (3) the value was better than Kimberley IMHO, (4) mods were always no problem given the personalised service, as opposed to Kimberley who refused to change their hitch type, (5) the CC door placement is better than Aussie Swag's (door closer to main bed means no tripping over sleeping kids and better awning protection from slanting rain, (6) bed a fraction larger than Aussie Swag, (7) awning larger than Aussie Swag. However Aussie Swag is slightly lighter, has quicker awning design, and some better integrated engineering touches like underslung spare tyre. No real difference in quality between any of them.
I was a bit underwhelmed by Pioneer and AORC, but that's just personal preference.
Obviously then I am biased and can recommend the CC hard floor (they call it the Fraser). Only 2 things I don't like is the awning set-up time with spreader poles - but it's a big annexe space and solid in weather. And I'd like to see 200kg shaved off it, but it's at the luxo-end. I can vouch for the exceptional quality.
Have fun hunting!
- Finners
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We've got a Cub - we found it had a little more room than some of the others that we looked at. Easy to set up, takes longer if you want to set up the awning, but without the awning we find it pretty quick !
A negative is we can not access under the bed storage whilst the camper is closed up.
A great positive is you can set it up on any type of ground.
Do your research and see what suits your needs and budget - quite a few good options out there.
Good Luck !
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What kit-e and Yoda said. Tows well, and set up pretty easy.
Wayne
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We have had a Kimberly Kamper since November of last year. We have camped five times and we would take about 30 mins to do a full setup, and that was taking our time.
It was raining the last time we setup and in around 10 mins we had the Kamper setup with the awning and could have had the kettle boiling.
What I don't like, not that much, as Kit-e said it is more about personal preference. We didn't like the way the AS kitchen swung around under the bed window, for others that is a selling point over the KK. Once again the wider awning would be good, especially in the KK as when the kitchen is pulled out and the awning walls on there is little room to squeeze through.
Over Easter I found an issue with the setup and packup. The doors need to be unzipped when folding up the tent, and are open when you unfold the tent, therefore if it is raining you can get some moisture on the floor.
Bunyip
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Perfect Timing
We went Tent to Jayco swan to this and it can now be yours
No setting up and i mean no setup
only as wide as the car
will go anywhere you want to take it
Rain is just not an issue and it's under warrenty
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=28959.msg450383#msg450383 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=28959.msg450383#msg450383)
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Ok, a negative, but I suspect it's common with all new hard floors, is folding up with the awning for the first few times is difficult as the canvas is still stiff. We now have no issues, it's a tight fit but it does work.
We also added a lot more press studs where the canvas joined the floor edge to prevent mice getting in when we were in central Australia in 2011. Again, I don't think that is a design flaw with the AS, but more precautionary due to a mouse plague at the time!
Interestingly, bunyip, we didn't even think of the kitchen location to the bed window, and haven't found it an issue at all. Our irk, if you could call it that with the KK, was the fridge being a bit in the way of the kitchen and having to walk around it every time. A whole, what, extra 3 or 4 paces :D, but it was the AS kitchen that was the clincher for us. It's splitting hairs when it comes down to it, but we have no regrets at all with our choice 8)
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I only ever had a "bottom line" imported hard floor, but I did notice a significant lack of storage space especially compared to my soft floor walkway trailer now.
I upgraded the tool box to the maximum size I could find but still found myself wanting for space so I didn't have to fill the Prado like a jisaw puzzle to the roof lining.
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When we bought our KK 3 years ago we didn't have the option of the complete campsite hard floor, having seen a couple of them since they look quite good. Particularly like the remote control winch to open / close the camper (not that our KK is difficult to open or close). I also like the AORC but the lack of tailgate and therefore the inability to pack clothes etc into the drawer under the bed was the reason I didn't pursue it any further. An AORC owner at cairns did tell me how the tailgates on KK's and AS's leak and get dust into them - they had obviously believed the hype from a AORC salesman, which is just pure rubbish. We have taken our to the cape, central Australia, and the high country twice and towed it through some deep rivers and never had any water or dust inside it.
Personally I think its horses for courses, find the one that has the most of the things you like and go for it. If you buy one of the good quality ones and look after it, when you've had enough you will get most of your money back anyway.
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We had (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=27264.0) an Ultimate and it was great. Being off the ground meant we didn't have to worry about the terrain. The bed was big and comfy, and the other bed was for the kids (top 'n tail). Making the bed wasn't an issue - an extra minute or two - nothing in the scheme of things. It is also impossible to fold up and have sand end up in the bed due to its design. There is an internal kitchen, although we never cooked inside, being able to sit inside when the weather was crap was nice. The camper was light (700 kg tare) and the ball weight was about 30 kg which meant I could literally lift the camper up and move it around by hand.
The bad - nothing to do with Ultimate per se, more so with having to dry out canvas when we got home - which is true of any camper. Living in the suburbs we don't have the room to open things up so easily. We get our new hardtop (http://www.completecampsite.com.au/hard-top-exodus14.html) camper on the weekend from Complete Campsite which has far less canvas and that will hopefully solve that issue.
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Any of the ones mentioned. Piglett, being in Brissy, you can check out most of them. KK is in Ballina, AORC Caloundra, AS in Brissy along with Modcon [Capalaba].
Then again, a trip to Moruya to check the Ultimate's would be worth it
Good luck with the search!!
Hem
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Personal things I don't like about our older Aussie Swag.
Awning is to narrow.
Can not fold awning onto tent at packup so it needs to be intalled and removed for every setup/takedown.
It is a pre pantry model so we need to carry a separate tucker box which takes up space under the awning.
It does not have the extended draw bar so no place for a fridge so ours sits under the awning taking up more space.
Neither of these are a problem as it is just Morag and I, but if we had kids it would defiantly not work.
Now having said that, We knew when We bought the camper that We would have to do this and We are still super happy with it.
Bill
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our Eureka does us just fine (Western Australian made)...the only bugbear is having to unzip the canvas door everytime to get to the fridge in the front gull wing box. Not a problem in summer bit it lets a cold breeze through in winter
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Can not fold awning onto tent at packup so it needs to be intalled and removed for every setup/takedown.
We use the poles and throw it over the roof, just as we were shown at handover.
What I don't like, not that much, as Kit-e said it is more about personal preference. We didn't like the way the AS kitchen swung around under the bed window,
It only goes 1/2 way under the window as such. We preferred this and haven't had any issues with it. We were given a cover (now it's a full stainless wind break) for protecting the canvas, but we've had no kitchen marks on ours what so ever ... I often forget to put the cover up. As for it being near the window ... zero issues really. If you are worried about smells going in ... close the window.
KK is in
Caboolture on the Bribie Island exit side of the higway. ;D Why even leave the Best State?
Kit_e
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We had (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=27264.0) an Ultimate and it was great. Being off the ground meant we didn't have to worry about the terrain. The bed was big and comfy, and the other bed was for the kids (top 'n tail). Making the bed wasn't an issue - an extra minute or two - nothing in the scheme of things. It is also impossible to fold up and have sand end up in the bed due to its design. There is an internal kitchen, although we never cooked inside, being able to sit inside when the weather was crap was nice. The camper was light (700 kg tare) and the ball weight was about 30 kg which meant I could literally lift the camper up and move it around by hand.
The bad - nothing to do with Ultimate per se, more so with having to dry out canvas when we got home - which is true of any camper. Living in the suburbs we don't have the room to open things up so easily. We get our new hardtop (http://www.completecampsite.com.au/hard-top-exodus14.html) camper on the weekend from Complete Campsite which has far less canvas and that will hopefully solve that issue.
Kiva,
We where at complete campsite on Tuesday,I think I may have a picture of your nearly finished camper in the back ground......
There are a good bit of gear.
cheers,
Matt
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Kiva,
We where at complete campsite on Tuesday,I think I may have a picture of your nearly finished camper in the back ground......
There are a good bit of gear.
cheers,
Matt
Ooh, exciting. Tomorrow morning they'll be delivering it to our place and then the fun begins :D
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We are onto our second Aussie Swag Camper now. Prior to purchasing the first one I spent months comparing them, KK, and AORC, then included the CC the next time around.
I did a spreadsheet comparing everything from drawbar and chassis steel sizes, battery capacity, water tank size, storage tray size, solar panel size, battery charger size, features of the kitchen inc fridge size and pantry size as well as the ease of use of it eg: do you have to take a pot off the stove to open the pantry, general design eg: the tropical roof is basically sealed on the Aussie Swag, whereas there is a big gap for birds to rest in on the others. As you can see it was a very comprehensive list and in the end when all things were compared there was just no comparison - Aussie Swag easily won.
The reason we bought a second one was because we modified the front box to specifically suit us eg: to fit in a Waeco 25lt fridge as well as a generator, plus they had made upgrades inc 3 batteries, huge battery charger, full stainless steel splash back and gas hot water.
We have taken ours to the Vic High Country, the Flinders on many occasions, Red Centre, Kakadu & Litchfield, Yorke Peninsula plus other places and it is just brilliant. They may seem expensive but the pure quality of them is outstanding and therefore worth every single cent.
Aussie Swag Campers - the Bentley of camper trailers!!
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What is your budget?
What are the must haves/don't wants?
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We use the poles and throw it over the roof, just as we were shown at handover.
It only goes 1/2 way under the window as such. We preferred this and haven't had any issues with it. We were given a cover (now it's a full stainless wind break) for protecting the canvas, but we've had no kitchen marks on ours what so ever ... I often forget to put the cover up. As for it being near the window ... zero issues really. If you are worried about smells going in ... close the window.
Caboolture on the Bribie Island exit side of the higway. ;D Why even leave the Best State?
Kit_e
Kit_e
Ours is a 2002 Challenger model.
There is not enough height between the bed and the floor with the awning folded over the tent. We have tried and it will not seal.
Besides which it only takes 2 minutes to zip the awning on so no big deal really.
Bill
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I started a thread very similar to this when I was looking to purchase our hard floor and you very quickly realised that this a bit like Ford versus Holden. It depends on what you and need and who and how you camp. Any one who says they would change a thing is not be being honest, and as you will see from the comments above there are always little things you could change, but this is how these campers evolve.
Like Bunyip said we ended up with the KK, because of the options we wanted it worked out the best value for money and the setup suited us more.
Likes :-
The kitchen - tons of bench space and storage space in the kitchen there are four draws on the bench one for cutlery, one for misc stuff like scissors egg rings gas lighters e.g., one we use for all the plates bowels and cups (setting of 8) and the other for coffee, tea, scotch glasses and other bits and bobs. There are also two hatches on top of the bench, one has the fire Extinguisher along with garbage bags, fire lighters, snap lock bags etc and the other is which runs the length down to the sinks stores the water filter, long tongs and toasting forks.
All the pots pans and food is store in the split pantry next to the bridge. Oh and the Wok burner (so in love) boils a kettle just as fast as at home, and cooks like your at home and you can put really big fry pans and pots on it (we also have a two burner stove but the WOK burner is used the most). Would recommend getting a WOK burner on any camper you purchase.
Water tanks - We have two which are both located near the back of the camper. The 70ltr is only used to fill kettles and for drinking water the 120ltr attached the hot water runs the sink and shower.
(This was an issue with AS because with them the second tank had to go on the draw bar (adding a lot more weight) and the spare tyre would have to go on a swing-away (very costly).KK charges about the same for the swing-away but we didn't need to have it. If you don't want a second tank then this is irrelevant.
Camper - Bed is 160cm wide ( the AS one is narrower but this gives you access to side storage, which I think for many could be a big bonus, for me I would probably end up packing up the camper then realising the Car Keys are in the side storage (The wider bed means plenty of room for bunyip, me and the fur kid)
The KK has whats called an extended tent which means the end window is slanted towards the ground, this gives as more useable floor space especially with my daughters stretcher and if its raining but hot you can have that huge window open without fear of rain getting in.
Storage - There is heaps of storage in the gullwings for tools, chainsaw, awning walls, CG mat, solar panels etc. We can pack enough cloths shoes and towels for 3 of us with space left over in the under bed storage. My daughters Stretcher and sleeping bag fit in front of the draw for pack up. We also have a table which slides and the draw.
We have those bulky reclining chairs (Bunyip loves them I a have returned to a normal chair) They fit in a Rhino rack pack on top of the gullwing along with a few more chairs and one of those lifetime tables with the seats that snap in underneath (highly recommend them to everyone). The Rhino Sack stays put all trip and is not required to be removed for setup.
Don't like -
Just like Bunyip a Kite-Kat (AS) a wider awning would be great but both KK and AS have these ones so that they do not have to be removed for pack up, I reckon this out ways the negatives.
KK there are two larger awning options ( the largest is huge) but they can not stay attached.
No light switch on the outside of the camper for internal light, its OK now that I know which switch it is but in the dark before that certainly made things interesting.
The top pantry needs a cover, where dust and stuff getting in has not happened so far, I could imagine if you where in a windy dusty spot this could pose an issue (Bunyip is charged with remedying the problem).
Both KK and AS are great robust quality campers, So are from all accounts CC and AORC ( with AORC no under bed storage access did that one in for us as well).
Write a list of whats important to you work out you budget, and then find the one that meets you needs to the most.
Am I biased towards KK, of course I am it best suited to OUR needs!!!! Your needs will be different.
Oh and just quickly, saying that one is better than the other because of the number of used ones one the market is a stretch. If you divide how many are made per year by how many are on the second hand market KK would win hands down by a long shot. ;D
LB
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Hey Piglet,
We have an Aussie Swag - 2010 Rover LX purchased new.
I can't say enough good things about this camper. Build quality - excellent. After sales service - exceptional. Durability - excellent. Resale value - excellent. Second hand availability - hens teeth are only slightly rarer, but the campers will be in top condition.
I can't really say much that is bad about them at all. We did make a list of the things we weren't so keen on over the weekend, but looking at them, it's all personal preference and no reflection on the camper itself to be honest. Our list included: move the main interior light switch / 1 large burner on the stove / no grill / wider awning (2.4m rather than 2.1m) / kitchen sink drain hole to the rear / extend the front of the awning ... it's all minor stuff really and none of it really gets up our noses at all - we are very happy with it.
You get what you pay for with the Aussie Swag. A top quality product that is going to go the distance and last you for years, with an after sales service that's second to none.
We are 98% satisfied with our purchase, but we picked, prodded, poked, drilled, bartered, compromised, checked out everyones product and knew exactly how we camped, before we made our final decision. We chose the camper with the best build, best value for money, which suited our camping style perfectly.
Kit_e
When I win the lottery next week I am going to buy me an Aussie Swag, they are the ducks nuts.
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Aussie Swag Campers - the Bentley of camper trailers!!
If that's true, what's the Rolls Royce??
Coota is the Kenworth.......... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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"what's the Rolls Royce??"
CYT Extreme Explorer ;D :cup: ;D :cup: , But I might be bias ;)
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KK for us also. We went second hand though as I didn't want to borrow any $$$. We got a good deal that included the full 2.4 m annex and all the walls, we also have the little 1.8m awning. The 1.8m awning can stay on at pack up time, however we rarely do this as we never know what the next trip brings and what awning we want, also they are dead easy to zip on.
Ours came with the boat loader and a 3.7m tinny and outboard. These give us heaps of options. We keep our autofridge in the vehicle so now have a massive pantry to store food, camp ovens etc etc.
We were considering a change as our kids are getting bigger and we are running out of space (ours doesn't have the provisions for a kids room) however we are that impressed with what we have, we have decided to bite the bullet and make some mods.
It would cost us $20k to get into a new one and I am not convinced that a new one with the kids room would solve all of our issues so am not willing to invest.
Southern Cross canvas will build us a kids room similar to the rear of their Ultimate Trekka tent (1 pole). This will cost about $3k including removal and refitting of the tent. While its off I will get them to make some zip on clear windows for the KK so on wet days we can still let light in.
All in all the KK experience has been great and i would highly recommend them. Ours has been to the cape a couple of times and has experienced no issues.
I agree with LB's comments that the fact there are a few on the second hand market means little in regard to anything. KK has made about 7000 campers far more than others.
I have recently visited a couple of factories and was a bit surprised by the inconsistency in quality/finish between the same models. (Screws in different places/angles, alloy trims different lengths etc) KK seems to have their QC pretty well controlled and all of the campers I have seen are very well finished.
AS and CC have virtues similar to KK and it is splitting hairs between them. AORC were out for us also because of the no rear access issue.
Jas
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Southern Cross canvas will build us a kids room similar to the rear of their Ultimate Trekka tent (1 pole). This will cost about $3k including removal and refitting of the tent. While its off I will get them to make some zip on clear windows for the KK so on wet days we can still let light in.
Jas
You have to love Southern Cross Canvas, the custom made storage bag they did for us to fit on the floor racks worked a treat for my son & his mates gear dry and dust free.
LB
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peoples good and bad news about thier own hardfloor CT
Hi Piglet,
Well we are as happy and pigs in mud with our second Aussie Swag!
We have 3 boys aged 8,6,3 and our first camper was an Aussie Swag 2009 Rover LX, after looking at everything on the market. We then sold it for more than we paid for it and looked at everything again and settled on another new AS. This time we went for the ultra D that has all the goodies. With 3 young ones we find all the extra luxuries such as power and hot water on tap make our life a little easier.
It's a hard call to justify the costs of most hard floor campers but you can see where all the money goes when you look closely and add up all the bits and pieces. (There is also 10% for GST)!
The downside is generally the weight of the hard floor camper but this is offset by the strength and build quality. Hard floors are more compact but this has not bothered us as we spent many years in smaller tents.
The AS won camper trailer of the year 2012 and 2013!
That's our opinion! Good luck with your choices. With most brands mentioned it hard to go wrong.
Cheers
Dave
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We had (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=27264.0) an Ultimate and it was great. Being off the ground meant we didn't have to worry about the terrain. The bed was big and comfy, and the other bed was for the kids (top 'n tail). Making the bed wasn't an issue - an extra minute or two - nothing in the scheme of things. It is also impossible to fold up and have sand end up in the bed due to its design. There is an internal kitchen, although we never cooked inside, being able to sit inside when the weather was crap was nice. The camper was light (700 kg tare) and the ball weight was about 30 kg which meant I could literally lift the camper up and move it around by hand.
The bad - nothing to do with Ultimate per se, more so with having to dry out canvas when we got home - which is true of any camper. Living in the suburbs we don't have the room to open things up so easily. We get our new hardtop (http://www.completecampsite.com.au/hard-top-exodus14.html) camper on the weekend from Complete Campsite which has far less canvas and that will hopefully solve that issue.
We love our ultimate and agree with all these comments. We cook outside always but it is great to sit inside with a lounge and table to eat in bad weather of just away from the flies. Love it. Drying out canvas is the same for camper but we find that most of the time it is dry buy the time you come to fold it up anyway. If not we open at home, but we have the room so not really a problem.
The size of the bed is huge. We love that also
Good luck with your choice. All of the top off the range campers have their positives and negatives, depending on you, your family and what your needs are
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The AS won camper trailer of the year 2012 and 2013.
Cheers
Dave
In the absence of KK :angel:
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In the absence of KK :angel:
Why was it absent?
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"what's the Rolls Royce??"
CYT Extreme Explorer ;D :cup: ;D :cup: , But I might be bias ;)
You could well be right jk, I've never seen one in the metal. They do look very nice, though.....always admired them from afar.......
You put tyre shine on your camper tyres?? :o :o :o :o...........even I don't do that
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Why was it absent?
I believe some manufacturers aren't interested in results formed by (in many cases) the judges own personal preference or the amount of money spent on advertising in certain places.
If you noticed most of the upper class campers weren't involved.
Sent from Behind you...BOO
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I believe some manufacturers aren't interested in results formed by (in many cases) the judges own personal preference or the amount of money spent on advertising in certain places..............
Yeah, I agree........there are too many other influences for the results to be treated as gospel......
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Last camping trip I was keenly watching a KK setup and I thought i looked very time consuming. Not sure if they were new to the CT or if it is a slow setup.
They are very quick to set up.
Mine is a 2010/11 kk platinum Xtreme.
Overnight basic set up to be ready for bed about a minute. Add kids room ensuite awning and walls about 15 mins tops.
The one thing we really like about the kk is you step straight out of the trailer into the ensuite (no need to go outside).
We have the twin water tanks, diesel hot water, diesel air heater etc in ours which seems to work much better than the gas option. I also ordered mine in a maroon colour (special order) just so it wasn't the same as everyone else's.
I am considering selling mine and upgrading in the near future if you are interested.
Sent from Behind you...BOO
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It's more than Ford v's Holden. We loved our Cape York and found it well sorted and laid out with plenty of storage. For us the kitchen was more useable than a KK and we had a lot more storage than a Aussie Swag that we nearly bought. It comes down to personal choice as always. Checkout all you can and look at layouts. :cheers:
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Overnight basic set up to be ready for bed about a minute.
That's amazing. It usually takes longer than that to unhitch and wind down the legs and jockey wheel
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That's amazing. It usually takes longer than that to unhitch and wind down the legs and jockey wheel
I don't unhitch for a quick overnight stop. Open 6 catches and flip it open and push the end bar out...done
Sent from Behind you...BOO
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Probably another minute to unhitch if needed
Sent from Behind you...BOO
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Got more than 2 kids under 10? - Camprite.
Just the 2 of you or have kids that are too d to sleep with mum and dad? - Any of the rear fold campers as stated above.
:cheers:
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Got more than 2 kids under 10? - Camprite.
Just the 2 of you or have kids that are too d to sleep with mum and dad? - Any of the rear fold campers as stated above.
:cheers:
By addiing the kids rooms to either the KK or AS fixes the Kid issue. With the 2013 KK you don't even have to unattach it to pack up.
We spent the night at Wee Jasper with the scouts set up the KK and were set up in a few minutes ( maybe not one but it was quick). We also didn't unhitch it.
LB
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Got more than 2 kids under 10? - Camprite.
We have two kids aged 7 and 5 and they sleep on the floor in their camping beds with no issues whatsoever. We do have he side kids room but only put it up for stays of 3 nights or longer.
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Hi we have an Aussie Swag and very happy with it, no complaints about the build quality awesome trailer. Guys at AS are fantastic. I did exactly the same as JKone on a spreadsheet. We either physically looked or got pamphlets sent out on any hard floor camping trailer we could find. AS was the choice for us. There are lots of great campers out there, some of it comes down to personal choice, what you are prefered to compromise on, where you plan to take it etc. check out lots of photos of our AS and review http://letsgotravelaustralia.com/aussie-swag/ (http://letsgotravelaustralia.com/aussie-swag/)
Also why we choose the AS http://letsgotravelaustralia.com/aussie-swag/why-aussie-swag/ (http://letsgotravelaustralia.com/aussie-swag/why-aussie-swag/)
Good luck with your choice :)