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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: xcvator on February 12, 2013, 07:36:37 PM
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Sunday pm just before we got home from the GOR camp my daughter took Zac the dog to our local leash free area where he loves to go. Now the people that have met Zac know he is just a gentle affectionate dog but some ignorant bitch was there with her dog that decided that Zac was to near the water container and did this to him.
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae237/wacazac/Zaccys%20Ear/photo.jpg) (http://www.myswag.org/[URL=http://s975.photobucket.com/user/wacazac/media/Zaccys%20Ear/photo.jpg.html)]
So far we haven't been able to trace the bitch or her dog down >:( >:( >:( :'(
Please people FFS if you get a dog TRAIN IT PROPERLY so this doesn't happen, it could have been a kid
(http://s975.photobucket.com/user/wacazac/media/Zaccys%20Ear/photo.jpg.html)
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OMG... That is so bad..
Hope the poor thing gets better..
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ouch... poor thing
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hunt the bitch down
I reckon if I ever had another dog and took it walking, I'd either carry a hammer or chainsaw.
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oh my.....poor boy I hope he's ok.
I like dogs but we had an issue when a staffy attacked my poor old Sether.............the owner didn't like it when I stepped in and kicked the Shit out of the staffy. I don't condone violence but if something or someone has a go at my dog or family well I will make sure we come out better off.
I hope you get the chance to have a chat and give her the vets bill.....at least.
Can you give Zac a pigs ear to chew on from us.....I will pay you back.
Cheers Nomad.
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Some people shouldn't have pets. My neighbors fall into that category. Apparently a dog is something you chain up and only let off on bin night.
I hope your pooch feels better soon
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I used to carry a steering lock with me.
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oh my.....poor boy I hope he's ok.
I like dogs but we had an issue when a staffy attacked my poor old Sether.............the owner didn't like it when I stepped in and kicked the **** out of the staffy. I don't condone violence but if something or someone has a go at my dog or family well I will make sure we come out better off.
I hope you get the chance to have a chat and give her the vets bill.....at least.
Can you give Zac a pigs ear to chew on from us.....I will pay you back.
Cheers Nomad.
I don't think ears to chew on would interest him atm
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Wow thats no good at all.
When I was young I had a little foxy that got into next doors pitbull's mouth one day lucky enough he only come out with his ear pierced.
Lucky dog...
Rod....
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I don't think ears to chew on would interest him atm
Its his form of pay back................maybe a nice leg bone when hes up and about a bit............
Cheers Nomad
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Hunt that woman down... Your dog wont be happy in that area for a long time I would think, and would be very wary of other dogs.
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I hate those lead free areas - for exactly the reason you have to put up with this misery. I am glad your pooch is alive and with good owners who will make sure plenty of love repairs the damage. We have been lucky enough to be near two large areas where our dogs could run and do the GSP thing (hunt). I am now down to 1 (ancient 14yo male GSP) who finds a walk around the block enough exercise.
oh my.....poor boy I hope he's ok.
I like dogs but we had an issue when a staffy attacked my poor old Sether.............the owner didn't like it when I stepped in and kicked the **** out of the staffy. I don't condone violence but if something or someone has a go at my dog or family well I will make sure we come out better off.
I hope you get the chance to have a chat and give her the vets bill.....at least.
Can you give Zac a pigs ear to chew on from us.....I will pay you back.
Cheers Nomad.
Nomad - similar experience with my first female GSP. I saw another dog off leash down at one of the big parks with a lake and as she was fairly exuberant and would run at people (to say hello) i grabbed her and put her on the lead. This plik of a mutt came running in on attack mode and was just about to latch on to her neck when I planted a size 14 into its ribs and lifted it 3 foot off the ground. The lady owner wasn't too happy but when I explained quite firmly that my dog was on a lead and she should control her dog she walked off.
P155es me off that some people take offence when you react to their dog attacking yours.
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Poor Zac hope he recovers soon!
Don't get me started on irresponsible dog owners >:(
Cheers
L2GA
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Please people FFS if you get a dog TRAIN IT PROPERLY so this doesn't happen, it could have been a kid
Dogs are wild animals somewhat domesticated and will behave just like, well, dogs.
My previous border collie was one of the smartest, well trained, well behaved dogs I have ever seen. It bit me down to the bone when I went to add a brisket to its bowl while it was eating. Still have the scars.
This was my fault not the dogs. This same dog endured years of my toddlers pulling its ears, riding it, standing on its tail, dragging it around the backyard on its lead and all manner of annoyances. ANY dog can bite given the right (wrong) conditions so don't be too quick to judge.
Hope your dog recovers well.
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Hope Zac feels better soon.
My son unfortunately is one of those irresponsible dog owners, despite repeated suggestions/demands he not get a dog he ended up with a Staffy. At the girlfriends place at the moment but looks like it will fall back onto us to re-train a 1 year old Staffy to not chew everything under the sun, jump fences etc....
I will take ownership of the Staffy as I will not let him get off scott free.
Bunyip
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Hey Xcavator,
Poor Zac :'( I hope he doesn't get all "every dog did this to me" when you take him out next. It's a bit tough for you both at the moment, which isn't helping either I'm sure. Very irresponsible of the other owner not to assist your daughter in any way possible. If you see them again follow them home and let the council do the rest.
Do agree that Training is a very important (and often overlooked) part of Dog Ownership - and not just for the dog either. I also agree that ALL dogs can be dangerous regardless of breed, size, temperament ... especially to other people and other dogs ... and sometimes their owners. Education is often the missing key with pet ownership of any kind. It's important that the owner and the pet are trained in acceptable behaviour from an early age (yes when they are soooo cute), and the owner understands the responsibility of having a pet FOR LIFE ... BEFORE getting the pet. Perfect World stuff though.
We don't do "off leash areas" as I believe them to be a dangerous mix of the unknown for my dog. You don't know all the people there, how responsible they are in regards to their animals (worming / needles / training / fleas) ... we've had Pavo in the area recently as well according to my vet ... and sometimes dogs react badly to each other for whatever reason.
I have a small map of my suburb and mark suitable doggie walks on it - it came from the local phone book. I find it's often the dogs 'at home' that have the least supervision and I note those houses on my map so we can avoid them in the future (like the old dog up the road is often loose and she goes for you full old girl pelt).
Last thing I want to do is put either my dog or myself in harms way.
Kit_e
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Hey Keith, sorry to hear mate. Zac was great friendly dog at tolmie who loved the kids. I hope he recovers quickly
Swannie
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Hey Keith, sorry to hear mate. Zac was great friendly dog at tolmie who loved the kids. I hope he recovers quickly
Swannie
X2 Poor little Bloke
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hunt the bitch down
I reckon if I ever had another dog and took it walking, I'd either carry a hammer or chainsaw.
Exactly Lost our last Staffy was attacked by an aggressive one wouldnt let go of him so i punched it in the head about 50 times till it did .It was next to the water next step that i was taking if it didnt let go was to drag them in and half drown the thing till it let go.
After that i carried a small iron bar the wife said i cant do that but i was over dog owners not being responsible for theres.
Heres the funny part after Brock passed away a couple months ago i decided to get another staffy pup and it turns out the one that attacked my previous staffy is the latests father
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Mate that's a nasty bite. Sadly there is no requiremnet of training for owning a dog (or kids for that matter) it's owner you want.
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Glad your daughter is safe, but its a pity that she had to witness this act that shouldn't have happened. Hope that your pup recovers properly.
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Bloody hell, that is terrible.
If it hasn't already been said, report this to the local Rangers, photos and all. At least this way they may patrol these areas for a while.
Scott
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Hope Zac recovers with no lasting after effects, our girl has never quite been the same since she had another dog had a go at her.
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I'll wager she will go back to the park with her mutt. I'd be going back too, but wearing the steel cap work boots. 1st kick for the owner, the rest for the untrained flea bag that done the damage.
I hope he makes a quick recovery mate. :cheers:
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Hope ya pooch is OK mate.
give the other dog and its owner a bit of a touch up.... won't help things, but sure as hell gunna make you feel better.
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Hey Keith,
Hope she has a quick recovery. It would pay to let your local shire ranger know. Give them time, place, etc - It may not go anywhere but if they don't know they can't do anything. Sometimes they'll have other reports to put it with.
Our rangers are pretty good and will follow these types of things up.....we often have the same customers ;D
Tm
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What breed mate
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What breed mate
attacker...unknown, but a bit taller than a lab
attackee... cocker spaniel
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Progress report.
Attack has been reported to the local council/ranger
Hayley is going to try and get an article in the local rag with some pics, might jog some memories
Tonight I was able to very carefully give him a good scratch behind his injured ear without hurting him (he can't scratch with a bucket over his head), course he's still on antibiotics and pain killers atm.
cheers guys :cheers: :cheers:
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That's shocking stuff Keith, poor little fella must have been terrified.
Keep us updated on progress as he comes along mate :cheers:
John
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I was walking my staffy when she was a pup many years back, anywho a storm was rolling and we started heading home, as we passed a particular house a dog jumped the fence and took a chunk out of my dog, managed to get hold of our local vet which was an after hours call, vet was great and operated on my dog that evening, with a cost of $2k
So I went and spoke to the police about it, their advice was to speak with owner of the offending dog first and if unsatisfied with the outcome come back to the police station and report it as a dangerous dog.
Now given a storm was rolling in at the time I did not believe the offending dog to be dangerous just more agitated by the storm,
I went to see the owner who was in his bikie colours and appeared bigger than Arnold Schwarzenneger himself,Thought to myself ï'm going to get a flogging here"however after explaining what his dog had done to mine he was very appolagetic and went straight to the vet to sort out the bill,
Fortunatly my dog recovered without a problems and is still super friendly towards other dogs
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Oh your poor pup! Glad your daughter is okay and I hope that Zac heals quickly!
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Cockers are such a lovely natured dog, I had two and am waiting on a new pup
I have a spare axe handle I want to post to you, let's just call it a new walking stick
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When I used to ride horses around town a lot I would get hassled by dogs.
An old bloke I knew made me a device: a length of 8-gauge fencing wire twisted back along itself so there is a loop at one end. Some tape around the two ends formed the handle and 100mm of heavy fishing line and two large sinkers were attached to the loop end. Once a dog has felt the force of that they'll never bother you again.
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I realise that this won't help your situation but it seems like too big a coincidence not to share this photo that showed up on my FB wall yesterday just after I first read this thread:
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/529355_10152543990665481_1893594672_n.jpg)
If people like the owner of the dog that got yours were more educated and less ignorant, at least you'd have known to keep clear of it.
BTW, I am NOT in any way saying "you should have known better" or anything like that, just that some consideration from the other owner might have prevented this.
Cheers!
Jono.
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That's horrible ! Hope he makes a speedy recovery. If you see that dog trotting down the road just remember the brake is the one on the right! >:D
Unfortunately these sh#t dogs are a product of even s#ittier owners!
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I have two labs, there a pain on the lead but the thing is, other dogs off the lead are just a pain come up and all hell breaks loose,
Our dogs are fine of the lead, but if they go running up to someone it could easily be taken the wrong way, and with other dogs of the lead in the right place they will play all day......
The owners are usually the problem not the dogs
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As someone who has experience in training dogs for a variety of purposes, unfortunately a lot of dog owners do not understand that dogs, even domestic dogs, are pack and territorial animals. They require a strong pack leader to follow. This does not mean someone who kicks and beats them when they do wrong to gain compliance through fear. A dog that obeys through fear will eventually turn when the opportunity presents itself. The internet is full of photos that depict owners attacked by their beloved pet. Rather someone who will guide and control through leadership in a manner the dog will respect and obey. A dog who will not return to its owner (pack leader) when called is not under control and does not recognise its owner as a leader. There are of course exceptions such as when a dog is fixated on a rabbit it startled and has tunnel vision and audio block out.
Unless they are trained appropriately they will react in what they see as a natural manner to other animals, humans included.
While there are some 'rouge' dogs in domestic circles which will not be assisted by training, 97% of issues with domestic dogs are as a direct result of either poor or no training by the owner. I have seen many dogs which the owner has stated are very well trained, ignore their owner and obey simple commands from me simply because of the inflection in my voice and timing of the commands. They are usually shocked and claim I'm a dog whisperer. I can guarantee you I'm not a dog whisperer, simply someone who has studied and understands the dog psyche.
We are required to attend lessons to learn to drive and obtain a licence however are able to walk into a pet store without any instruction and purchase an animal which has the potential to become a killer if not managed correctly.
Well that’s my rant.
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I loved your rant Taz64 and agree whole heartedly with it! :cup:
I'm no Dog Whisperer, but treat my pets with love, respect and authority. Haven't come across the startled wabbit yet so will see how that goes ... I'm off to find a wabbit to startle!
Kit_e
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Have no doubt...it pisses me off immensely as well.........i love my pets ...i hate aggro dogs with a passion so much i feel like Hanibal lechter.........only sometimes though...
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terrible to see whats happen to poor Zac. I hope he's up & playing in soon.
I personally don't blame the dog that attacked. As a few have said, it can be a case of untrained dog or untrained owner. A poodle can be trained to be a fighting dog as much as any other breed. I 100% hold the owner responsible. They know if the dog is either aggressive or sociable. I socialise my dogs at a young age to prevent such actions. Some owners provoke their dog to be aggressive thinking its funny and then wonder why their dog acts these ways. And most of all, this unfit owner released a known attacker in what is meant to be a fun & social area for them to be active & socially friendly. Next time it could be a child that this happens to. I hate how an animal can be put down due to its owners actions & I believe the owner need's to be the one who's judged & punished, may be then they will be more responsible owners.
RANT OVER...
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Similar happened to us mate but we were in a leash zone. Our Maltese dog was on a leash and attacked by an unleashed big dog. I saw him coming and just at impact time I impacted the attacker right under the ribs. The owner went ballistic about me kicking his dog. I told him to lay down so I could kick him instead. Pisses me off. No responsibility or accountability.
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Progress report on Zaccy.. He lost about a 1/4 of his right ear so he feels a bit odd atm. Coudn't count the stitches but it looked about 20. He cried with pain and shock for 3 days even though he was on pain killers and sedated . He has to wear a bucket over his head to stop himself scratching at his ear but his ear was catching on the edge of that when he shook his head and damaging the stitches so I ran some pinchweld around it, all good now. He still loves going to the park so he's not traumatized in that respect. Stitches hopefully come out on Thursday, but the bucket may have to stay for a few more days
cheers Keith
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All the best Zac and glad you still like the outdoors.
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Progress report on Zaccy.. He lost about a 1/4 of his right ear so he feels a bit odd atm. Coudn't count the stitches but it looked about 20. He cried with pain and shock for 3 days even though he was on pain killers and sedated . He has to wear a bucket over his head to stop himself scratching at his ear but his ear was catching on the edge of that when he shook his head and damaging the stitches so I ran some pinchweld around it, all good now. He still loves going to the park so he's not traumatized in that respect. Stitches hopefully come out on Thursday, but the bucket may have to stay for a few more days
cheers Keith
That's good news Keith.
Swannie
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sorry to hear about your dog...hope recovery is swift.
have 1 cat & 2 Beagles sharing our house, all get on well.
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Update 18 stitches taken out yesterday ;D just another $70 for the sedation :'( as some of them were pretty deeply embeded in the scab cover, Zaccy's a lot happier with them out, but has to have the bucket over his head for a few more days untill the wounds toughen up a bit
cheers :cheers:
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Great news mate
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Sorry to hear about your dog. Glad it's on the mend. It is far too common. Where we are, there was something like 30+ dog attacks over the Christmas period, mostly on beaches, and mostly between dogs. A couple unfortunately were on kids.
As a large breed dog owner, I personally think local Councils need to really tighten the penalties for irresponsible dog owners. It sh!ts me to tears when I have to go out of my way walking my dogs on leads and under control, due to some irresponsible turd walking with their wormy, flea infested, pavo spreading fluffy sh!tbox 60' in front of them with the lead over their shoulder, in case the Council drive past.
"Oh Fluffy just wants to say Hi." Yeah, well mine don't. Keep your mutt on a lead.
As usual, it's the responsible dog owner, who cops the crap for the irresponsible dog owner.
Rant over.
Shane.
"Eye for an eye......." If you find the offending owner, the name Mike Tyson comes to mind.......
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Give some thought to one of those tyre checkers we use with trucks. The same shape as a baseball bat, about 500mm long and made from aluminium. You won't have to worry about the follow through and connecting yourself with it. :angel:
Foo
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Sorry to hear about your dog. Glad it's on the mend. It is far too common. Where we are, there was something like 30+ dog attacks over the Christmas period, mostly on beaches, and mostly between dogs. A couple unfortunately were on kids.
As a large breed dog owner, I personally think local Councils need to really tighten the penalties for irresponsible dog owners. It sh!ts me to tears when I have to go out of my way walking my dogs on leads and under control, due to some irresponsible turd walking with their wormy, flea infested, pavo spreading fluffy sh!tbox 60' in front of them with the lead over their shoulder, in case the Council drive past.
"Oh Fluffy just wants to say Hi." Yeah, well mine don't. Keep your mutt on a lead.
As usual, it's the responsible dog owner, who cops the crap for the irresponsible dog owner.
Rant over.
Shane.
"Eye for an eye......." If you find the offending owner, the name Mike Tyson comes to mind.......
It happened in an off leash dog exercise area .........................The dogs behaved like DOGS!
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Similar happened to us mate but we were in a leash zone. Our Maltese dog was on a leash and attacked by an unleashed big dog. I saw him coming and just at impact time I impacted the attacker right under the ribs. The owner went ballistic about me kicking his dog. I told him to lay down so I could kick him instead. Pisses me off. No responsibility or accountability.
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