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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: KingBilly on February 10, 2013, 03:04:05 PM
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Had a look at the new Patrol today. Has anybody bought one yet?
Rugged meets Refined - The all-new Nissan Patrol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYAIfOzjsE#ws)
KB
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Nope. No one has. :cheers:
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too expensive.. i reckon they may lose a few sales....
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Saw one on the Monash freeway the other morning. I'll probably great used to them, but my first impression is that they are UUUUUUgly.
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Saw one in Perth 2 weeks ago.
They are huge.
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went and crawled over, under and in one @ Penrith Nissan the other week....... if I had the $$ i'ld buy one
but starting " $85K and going up to $135K the only thing that will get me into one will be a powerball win
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Big unit,
Looked at one today at the local shopping centre.
Looks a lot like a 200 series from the front &side.
Like to know what they are like from an owners point of view.
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For $85k. I'd have a altitude special edition 200 series Thankyou. :). http://carsales.mobi/cars/details/?R=13504265 <<-- should work now
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Saw one on the Monash freeway the other morning.
That's one very brave owner, out there on the bitumen by themselves.
Then again the bitumen is it's natural environment is it ??? 8)
:cheers:
Hey Vk3bq,
that link is asking for a login.
Edit, Cheers for fixing the link :cheers:
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Hence why I went looking for a disco.....
Still haven't got one...........
Very time poor over xmas then had 5 week holiday.
Boss lady saw a new prado and wants one of them now :-[
Heaven knows what we'll end up with, but it sure as heck won't be a patrol fuel guzzling beast that only a saudi could run.
Looks good, feels good, has lots of fruit, but returning over 20l per hundred emtpy and without towing..............no thanks.
Abduls rich enough....
Brian
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Looks good, feels good, has lots of fruit, but returning over 20l per hundred emtpy and without towing
20/100? Most of the tests say 14/100 and a few blokes I know that were involved with the LHD model they had out there for testing say they are a reasonable overpriced to the ****house thing..
So, how much bigger than the 200 is it, and what size do people expect it to be? Pathfinder size?? Oh hang on the pathfinder is that size.
Few blokes on patrol forum have them, alas overseas.
My thoughts? hide****ous, **** suspension, plastic every****thing, no diesel option (the petrol option they had was a good thing, although twice as thirsty as this one) and being petrol only it will be a flop.
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At $85K, I'd be going a turbo diesel 200 for sure.
:cheers: Cracka
Oh, but I need the powerball win for that too.
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135k ::) I would rather buy 7 x Great Wall 4x4's
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135k ::) I would rather buy 7 x Great Wall 4x4's
Or 8 jimneys!
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Mate just bought one with the common rail and was only $51000 drive away so sounded good to me!
:cheers: Big D
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Mate just bought one with the common rail and was only $51000 drive away so sounded good to me!
:cheers: Big D
That'd be the old Patrol with the powerhouse 3 lt !
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One is presently being stored where I work (you see we have heaps of space and the local car yards lease out green areas for car storage).
Took a couple of pics with the phone so excuse the quality.
Don't like the tail lights on this one, but that's only my opinion
Cheers, Scott
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Another Pic
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Last one
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We went and had a look at one on Saturday and they are huge !!
I guess it's not just the cost of the vehicle to purchase, but you'd also have to take into account the cost of the extras, bull bar, tyres (if you can get them), duel battery, winch, roof rack, cargo barrier, storage unit etc - you can spend $10-$15 more without much issue.
I'd love one, but alas can not afford it (or a new Toyota for that matter) I think we'll be sticking to our existing car for quiet a while.
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135k ::) I would rather buy 7 x Great Wall 4x4's
and the patrol would still out last all 7
We went and had a look at one on Saturday and they are huge !!
I guess it's not just the cost of the vehicle to purchase, but you'd also have to take into account the cost of the extras, bull bar, tyres (if you can get them), duel battery, winch, roof rack, cargo barrier, storage unit etc - you can spend $10-$15 more without much issue.
that's the big killer upgrading from any car.. why many people stick with a brand so they can take bits with them... In this case, your screwed. Although ARB has had the bits for <2yrs for this model ready to go as the dude said on our tour last year!
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im gonna win the one from Mr 4x4 Pat Callinan...then im gonna give my wife the hilux and trade the Pootrol in on a blinged up 200 series........ noice :cheers:
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no diesel option
I heard Mr Sakomoro, the drivetrain manager at Nissan, was bitchslapped when he suggested diesel.
"Which diesel should we fit?"
"We have no diesel'"
"But, we have diesel from Pathfinder to fit?"
"Why you no rearn Sakomoro San!"
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I heard Mr Sakomoro, the drivetrain manager at Nissan, was bitchslapped when he suggested diesel.
"Which diesel should we fit?"
"We have no diesel'"
"But, we have diesel from Pathfinder to fit?"
"Why you no rearn Sakomoro San!"
I'd even go into debt for one with this..
5.0 V10 TDI
4,921 cc (300.3 cu in)
V10 Turbo
313 PS (230 kW; 309 bhp) @3750
750 N·m (553 lbf·ft) @ 2,000
and make it look as sweet as this
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/VW_Race_Touareg_2_blue_vr_EMS.jpg)
Then again, Nissan would probably expect Top shelf Lexus prices for it.
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too expensive.. i reckon they may lose a few sales....
And a 200 series is cheap........... ::)
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Someone saying Lexus? ;D
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And a 200 series is cheap........... ::)
:cup: :cup: :cup:
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Or this donk
http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/a8tdi/content.shtml (http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/a8tdi/content.shtml)
(http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/a8tdi/header7.jpg)
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I figure Australia is such a small market they decided to pull diesels and just import the massive new rig they build for larger overseas markets......makes sense to me. They probably will lose some of the market share here, but not as much as they would have lost trying to produce a vehicle to satisfy such a small demographic.
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I figure Australia is such a small market they decided to pull diesels and just import the massive new rig they build for larger overseas markets......makes sense to me. They probably will lose some of the market share here, but not as much as they would have lost trying to produce a vehicle to satisfy such a small demographic.
Bingo
They want to take it to the USA.. the 100 sales they lose here, they will make 1000x in the USA... they aren't that stupid!
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im gonna win the one from Mr 4x4 Pat Callinan...then im gonna give my wife the hilux and trade the Pootrol in on a blinged up 200 series........ noice :cheers:
Great plan, except I'm gonna win it :cup:
:cheers: Cracka
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Great plan, except I'm gonna win it :cup:
:cheers: Cracka
Give us a go, just retrenched, I need some good luck :D
Bunyip
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Give us a go, just retrenched, I need some good luck :D
Bunyip
Ok..i will give u the camper that comes with it at a great price >:D
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STOLEN from another site...... :-[
On 91 octane, Patrol 21.3 L/100Km, Cruiser 18.5 L/100Km.
76 with 33 inch tyres and roofrack accompanying us as support, 17.2 L/100 Km.
From memory, GX 200 used about 13-14 L/100 Km over similar test a year ago.
Real life tests done in good old Oz just recently............
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If you can afford a new one, I doubt you would be too worried about fuel consumption. It's when they hit the second hand market that the fuel consumption becomes a bit of a issue/hurdle.
KB
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STOLEN from another site...... :-[
On 91 octane, Patrol 21.3 L/100Km, Cruiser 18.5 L/100Km.
76 with 33 inch tyres and roofrack accompanying us as support, 17.2 L/100 Km.
From memory, GX 200 used about 13-14 L/100 Km over similar test a year ago.
Real life tests done in good old Oz just recently...
Stolen from a paper last week that was posted on this forum in the last "NEW PATROL" discussion.
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/first-drive-review-nissan-patrol-20130205-2dv93.html (http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/first-drive-review-nissan-patrol-20130205-2dv93.html)
That's partly because the new ‘‘Y62’’ Patrol is powered by a 5.6-litre V8 petrol engine producing 298kW of power and 560Nm of torque.
The official claimed consumption for combined urban and highway driving is 14.5L/100km - and many of the cars on test were registering closer to 16.0L after a day of mixed driving, though some were close to that after the first highway-heavy stint. In another hit, it requires premium fuel.
Real life tests done in good old Oz just recently............
But as said, if you can afford 100g's for a car to scratch and dent the arse out of fuel is the last of your worries.
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And a 200 series is cheap........... ::)
Yes the 200 series is not cheap, but you could pick up a Y61 Patrol for less than 60k so with the prices starting from 85k the nissan will lose sales, to pajero (which I bought because I couldn't wait for the new patrol and I knew they would be so expensive) or others..
Cheers
Jenko
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the nissan will lose sales, to pajero .... or others..
I think the new Patrol is targeting a very different market to the Pajero and whilst both are 4X4 and can tow a CT, they are very different vehicles.
KB
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Still a lot of coin for a 4x4 and the extra tax on it too???? ( if the gov still has it)
Rod.......
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Yes the 200 series is not cheap, but you could pick up a Y61 Patrol for less than 60k so with the prices starting from 85k the nissan will lose sales, to pajero (which I bought because I couldn't wait for the new patrol and I knew they would be so expensive) or others..
Cheers
Jenko
AND the 200 starts at..........................................oh look, $80K for the barn doored standard...........
Apples and oranges mate,
You bought what I would class as a mid sized 4WD. Completely outta the game with what I would class as a LARGE 4WD's.
As for the Y61 with the milk bottle engine (the only things that should come in 3lt is milk and orange juice)............
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The Patrol club had one of these new patrols for viewing last wed night .... other than thinking its bloody big and it looked like a oversized navara i didnt really give it a second thought ... ... love my GU 4.8
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Hey guys, First post here... not what I was going post first.... But I am a New Nissan Salesman in Brisbane.
Y62 (new Patrol) and the Y61 (old Patrol) will be on sale side by side, same as the Navara D22 and D40.
From a salesman point of view, expensive 4x4, but as said elsewhere, it is directed towards a niche market, not really the everyday 4x4er. Nissan has entered the "luxury" 4x4 market, to take on the likes of the Lexus, BMW, Audi, and so on....
Are they a good truck... well I have only had a couple of short drives in the TI-L ($130ishK) very comfortable, very well appointed, great power.... Would I buy one... umm no... I would buy a Pathfinder or Navara D40.
(Note on the above this is my own opinion, not those of Nissan or my dealership).
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There are a few comments on here that echo a constant theme and that is this perception (mis conception in my book) that because someone can afford to spend $85k on a vehicle they suddenly don't give a rats a¥#e about fuel consumption. Where does this come from? No body wants to spend more on day to day running costs than absolutely necessary. People who can afford these vehicles have usually scrimped and saved and been careful with their income to get there, and watching fuel consumption fits into that description I believe. Not all so called wealthy people have won lotto or received large inheritances. A vehicle's fuel usage rate can be relevant for other reasons than how much you spend to fill it up eg range, state of tune of engine to name 2.
Maybe I am wrong or just sensitive to this topic, but it amazes me how quite often (not always granted) those with lower cost vehicles that supposedly ARE worried about fuel consumption have thousands of $ of aftermarket kit bolted to their rigs, not all of it absolutely essential to perform 90% of the off road driving they will ever do.
I would imagine that prospective patrol owners will look at the fuel usage as one aspect when weighing up running costs etc. it may turn some people off, but the choice for engine type in this vehicle bracket is pretty limited (RR Sport/Vogue, Lexus, X5, Benz all use V8 petrol engines as 1 option, some have diesel) and 2.5-3 tonne automatic 4WD's running on ULP are all going to be thirsty beasts if driven they way they were intended.
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^ Agreed. I am by no means wealthy, but as far as I am concerned $85k isn't a huge amount of money for a vehicle given the incomes that a large portion of the population have. You rub shoulders with $85k cars just about anytime you drive somewhere in a metro area.
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I spent a lot of time working on the left hand drive version from Abu Dhabi both on and off road. My opinion is don't knock it until you've driven it and can actually make a proper judgement. The one I drove had the hydraulic linked suspension (ala Toyota KDSS). Offroad it was awesome! It went everywhere as easily as anything else I have driven.
I think you'll find this is the direction large SUV's are heading and over time people's mind sets should change.
I would prefer an oil powered option for sure but I can understand why they aren't making it. Australia is one of the biggest diesel SUV markets in the world, unfortunately we are not one of the biggest car sales markets in the world.
As a consolation though, put your right foot down hard and you are rewarded with neck snapping take off and a sweet note from the pipes!
Just my opinion.
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I figure Australia is such a small market they decided to pull diesels and just import the massive new rig they build for larger overseas markets......makes sense to me. They probably will lose some of the market share here, but not as much as they would have lost trying to produce a vehicle to satisfy such a small demographic.
Not really. Firstly, the GU CRD 3.0 continues alongside the Y62, for another couple of years if Nissan are to be believed. They dropped the 4.8 petrol GU a while ago.
Secondly, Nissan didn't just import the Y62 - it was actually a very costly exercise for Nissan Australia, as Nissan in Japan had no intention whatsoever of building a right-hand-drive version. In fact Nissan Australia picked up the bill for the work that was required. So you'd think they'd have done some serious homework on recouping that cost before going ahead.
And in that context, the petrol-only situation makes a little more sense - sure, 9 out of every 10 LC200s sold here are diesels, but Nissan Japan never expected to sell the Y62 here so a diesel was never part of the plan. The money is in the Middle East and the US, neither of which demand diesel 4wds like we do. And the Y62 is a runaway success in the Middle East so their business plan was sound.
If it is a reasonable sales success here, Nissan Australia may be able to convince their masters to open the purse strings for a diesel.
I'm just going to wait for a cosmetic write-off at the auctions, chop it into a dual-cab, and drop a TD42T into it ;D
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Nissan has entered the "luxury" 4x4 market, to take on the likes of the Lexus, BMW, Audi, and so on....
and has totally forgotten the people who got the Patrol its great name since the G60 came out.
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AND the 200 starts at..........................................oh look, $80K for the barn doored standard...........
Apples and oranges mate,
You bought what I would class as a mid sized 4WD. Completely outta the game with what I would class as a LARGE 4WD's.
As for the Y61 with the milk bottle engine (the only things that should come in 3lt is milk and orange juice)............
Don't forget the legendary Nissan dealer service support is worth at least minus $30,000 of value.
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I am looking at the fuel issue atm with the 200 series. Yes the 200 diesel uses less but the new 4.6 litre V8 is only using marginally more fuel
The thing that then confuses you with the 200 is that there is a 10k price difference in favour of the petrol model and 10k buys a lot of fuel
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Sitting waiting to get my hair cut the other day, I read a two year old four wheel drive magazine (can't remember which one) and they had done a cost comparison between a petrol and a diesel Jeep Wrangler. The article concluded that it would take 400,000 kms to recoup the additional cost of purchasing the diesel over the petrol version. The diesel was not only more expensive to buy initially, it was also more expensive to service, required more regular services and the cost of diesel fuel was more expensive. The magazine concluded the only reason to buy a diesel was for its additional torque and 'driveability' (I think they mentioned water crossings but can't be sure).
KB
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Not too mention it is more stable when being carried in jerry cans and is more available in remote areas
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is more available in remote areas
Really ??? I've never found just a diesel bowser at a commercial fuel outlet. It's always been beside a ULP bowser. Maybe some stations, missions etc. But as I only used ULP, I learnt to cater for my own needs and carried sufficient. But maybe I didn't travel the same tracks you have.
KB
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and has totally forgotten the people who got the Patrol its great name since the G60 came out.
How do you figure? As has been stated the 200 series starts well above 75k and is pretty far removed from the old 40 series. A lot of people can afford that sort of coin (not me) as shown by the qty of luxury chariots on the road.
Is the price compared to income ratio that much different now than it was when the GU was released?
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How do you figure?
It is no longer a serious 4wd. Every Patrol from year dot to this show pony has had great offroad cred.
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It is no longer a serious 4wd. Every Patrol from year dot to this show pony has had great offroad cred.
only after people have spent thousands of $ on them.
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Fair enough. Each to their own I guess. Like I said though, when I was driving it for testing purposes I thought it performed well. And that was in standard trim with highway tyres on. And in reality, the majority of driving is not in serious offroad conditions.
It's worth checking out the wk2 keep grand Cherokee. Very similar specs to the y62, half the price.
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Really ??? I've never found just a diesel bowser at a commercial fuel outlet. It's always been beside a ULP bowser. Maybe some stations, missions etc. But as I only used ULP, I learnt to cater for my own needs and carried sufficient. But maybe I didn't travel the same tracks you have.
KB
Need to get into the "real" outback.
You CANNOT get ULP in most remote areas as they only stock OPAL fuel (ULP replacement) so from Ularu to Laverton (Great Central Road) ........1100 odd Km of no ULP..........
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So... you decide what vehicle to buy based on that one trip you might do one day? Or actually do once every few years?
If the oiler was the same price as the guzzler then it would be a conversation worth having.
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AND the 200 starts at..........................................oh look, $80K for the barn doored standard...........
Apples and oranges mate,
You bought what I would class as a mid sized 4WD. Completely outta the game with what I would class as a LARGE 4WD's.
As for the Y61 with the milk bottle engine (the only things that should come in 3lt is milk and orange juice)............
exactly, we have a 200 series with barn doors that we use at work for 4wd training but at least you could pick up a bigger patrol (than the pajero to some) for a good price.. cant wait to next week.. 4wd course.. trip to staddie..
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I think the new Patrol is targeting a very different market to the Pajero and whilst both are 4X4 and can tow a CT, they are very different vehicles.
KB
Certainly agree mate, very different vehicles with different markets... will be interested in the sales figures.
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Need to get into the "real" outback.
You CANNOT get ULP in most remote areas as they only stock OPAL fuel (ULP replacement) so from Ularu to Laverton (Great Central Road) ........1100 odd Km of no ULP..........
OK, you got me on the Laverton Road. No experience. But would you consider the Strzelecki, Oodnadatta and the Tanami as the "real" outback? What about Cameron Corner and Poeppel Corner? Plus many, many other outback adventures. And on a motorcycle? Unsupported? I would ;D
As you say OPAL is generally available and what does OPAL fuel get used for? To replace ULP. My bike ran fine on it. From the RACQ website:
OPAL exceeds all national standards for regular ULP (91 RON) and can be used in all regular ULP automotive applications including two and four-stroke engines. It can be used in outboards too but isn’t suitable for aviation use. Tests show it provides similar performance, a negligible increase in fuel consumption and similar or slightly reduced exhaust emissions compared to normal ULP. It can be safely mixed with regular ULP too.
Anyway my argument was that there isn't much difference in the availability of diesel and ULP (or OPAL) in the outback, real or not. For the very, very few times you would need to worry about the non availability of ULP, it should not be a deal breaker in considering a petrol 4X4 (unlike what the magazines and people with limited experience try to tell you).
KB
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Amazing a decade plus years ago Mitsbishi changed the Pajero to monocoque and independant all round and then introduced traction control and the model has copped jibes from the "real 4wd" brigade ever since. Only took Nissan 12 years to catch up. :laugh:
Seuiroisly This is not for the US market either, it's purely middle east. You hardly see a cruiser in the US either. I am making the assumption this monocoque ? I read somewhere it was but it was a while ago. I wonder how it goes on corrugated roads? Thats where there a diff in ride between Paj and Prado.
I also think they will introduce a diesel and are just being clever, the WHO and UN buy plenty of TD cruisers and there would be a market for a TD. Just they don't want people sitting n the fence now.
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only after people have spent thousands of $ on them.
Rubbish... I've seen many live axle 4b's unmodded on club trips I've lead go a long way further than their owners ever dreamt their cars could go.
The biggest issue is people join forums and they get caught up in the rush... Everyone tells them they need 4ft lifts, twin lockers, crawler gears, fully worked twin motor high mount winch, just go go down to Coles.
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Indeed Lost, my father has a GQ patrol which has been to the centre of Australia and all over the east coast with zero mods other than a dual battery system. Still one of the best 4wd's in stock form IMO.
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OK, you got me on the Laverton Road. No experience. But would you consider the Strzelecki, Oodnadatta and the Tanami as the "real" outback? What about Cameron Corner and Poeppel Corner? Plus many, many other outback adventures. And on a motorcycle? Unsupported? I would ;D
As you say OPAL is generally available and what does OPAL fuel get used for? To replace ULP. My bike ran fine on it. From the RACQ website:
OPAL exceeds all national standards for regular ULP (91 RON) and can be used in all regular ULP automotive applications including two and four-stroke engines. It can be used in outboards too but isn’t suitable for aviation use. Tests show it provides similar performance, a negligible increase in fuel consumption and similar or slightly reduced exhaust emissions compared to normal ULP. It can be safely mixed with regular ULP too.
:cheers: Kudos for doing those trips on a bike - I'd love to. One day...
The Y62 need premium unleaded, how does OPAL go in that scenario?
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unlike what the magazines and people with limited experience try to tell you
Sorry guys, I didn't mean to start anything with that comment. I am going on what I have been told by a close mate who used to live at the Capricorn Roadhouse and was tasked with retrieving broken vehicles off the CSR, as well as delivering fuel drums out on the track as well.
I should have mentioned that I do not yet have experience with this, perhaps this is more a justification for me to get a diesel that I have been saying for so long I now believe my own bulls&*t. ;D
I stand by the fact that diesel is less volatile than ULP and therefore safer to carry additional in jerry cans etc..
Bunyip
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Hey bunyip, no apologies necessary. Impossible to offend me and as you've probably gathered I like nothing more than a bit of robust discussion ;D Besides I'm more often wrong than I'm right (just ask my wife)
Have never done the CSR as I would have needed support and I don't have any nor like that idea.
Valid point about the storage of the diesel.
KB
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Hey bunyip, no apologies necessary. Impossible to offend me and as you've probably gathered I like nothing more than a bit of robust discussion ;D Beside I'm more often wrong than I'm right (just ask my wife)
Have never done the CSR as I would have needed support and I don't have nor like that idea.
Valid point about the storage of the diesel.
KB
No worries KB, I like you are more often wrong that right to which LB can atest.
I would love to do the CSR one time, think I would take my mate with me as he has the experience (at least of the western part of it) and may be able to point out some good spots.
Bunyip
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The Y62 need premium unleaded, how does OPAL go in that scenario?
Yep, it does like premium and OPAL is only 91 RON (standard ULP).
KB
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Rubbish... I've seen many live axle 4b's unmodded on club trips I've lead go a long way further than their owners ever dreamt their cars could go.
The biggest issue is people join forums and they get caught up in the rush... Everyone tells them they need 4ft lifts, twin lockers, crawler gears, fully worked twin motor high mount winch, just go go down to Coles.
so why do you think the y62 isnt a real 4wd any more? pretty sure it will go further than the owners ever dreamt.