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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: dazzler on January 04, 2013, 10:35:10 PM
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Hey all
You may not be aware but things have gone pretty bad with the fires particularly in the south of the state. The area out towards Eaglehawk Neck (Dunally, Coppin, Dodges Ferry) have all been hit hard with many from our community loses property and there are a few missing. A lot of caravaners/campers have headed down south and the parks have filled up apparently.
If you need somewhere to stay we can point you in the direction of some okay free camps in the Kingston area south of Hobart. Its not legal to camp in a couple of areas however that wont be a problem as I can arrange an exemption while the fires are on.
We also have hot showers available if needed.
Send me a pm if you need assistance and I will give you my mobile #. We have an acreage so you can park the CT up the back if you wanted to and check into a motel for a few days.
cheers
daz
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This is hot for tas
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Yea, crazy it seems down your way, hope it work out OK. You had the hottest day ever recorded the news says..
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Cool change just arrived so that will help a bit hopefully.
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Stay safe guys, I can't imagine 41.9 in Tassie, it was bad enough here.
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My sister in law and her family just moved to Tassie, in fact on Christmas Eve, just south of Kingston. One main reason was to get away from the hot weather in Qld! So yesterday they had over 40 and we had 30. And to think when they arrived their kids were complaining about the cold. Don’t figure hey. Kevin
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we have friends living at Carlton, been trying to contact them since yesterday but not heard from them yet. i assume they are fine and just busy dealing with the situation at hand. not good that so many properties have been lost, can only hope the one unconfirmed death doesn't eventuate also.
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Its was definitely a hot one yesterday and to top it off we lost power for over 5 hours but thats nothing compared to the poor buggers who have lost everything :(
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Does anyone know if the area around Carrick (20km S/W of Launceston) is or have been affected by the fires?? Daughter is heading down to the International Girl Guides Jamboree, leaving today, due into camp tomorrow arvo. Hope all Tassie Swaggers are safe. :cheers:
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Does anyone know if the area around Carrick (20km S/W of Launceston) is or have been affected by the fires?? Daughter is heading down to the International Girl Guides Jamboree, leaving today, due into camp tomorrow arvo. Hope all Tassie Swaggers are safe. :cheers:
hopefully a local will be more knowledgable, but the fires i've seen on the news didn't look to be around that area, further to the East at Bicheno and the worst was East of Hobart where the news has been talking about.
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Carrick was fine last check.
Here is a good link that is constantly updated;
http://www.fire.tas.gov.au/Show?pageId=colCurrentBushfires (http://www.fire.tas.gov.au/Show?pageId=colCurrentBushfires)
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Thanks folks, will keep an eye on the link. :cheers:
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Carrick is fine, we went out for tea there last night :)
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Thanks Danny, "Quercus Youth Park" is the base for the Jamboree if that gives you a better idea. :cheers:
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Thanks Danny, "Quercus Youth Park" is the base for the Jamboree if that gives you a better idea. :cheers:
Yeh mate no worries there. Its pretty open in that area anyway :)
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Anyone in the Hobart area that would like to help we have a friend with a food van that is asking for donations of food. She is heading off to feed around 70 Tas fire service crew and it sounds like she could be doing this for the next 7 days at this stage.
If you can help her out she can be contacted through twitter under @JoHCook
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Carrick was fine last check.
Here is a good link that is constantly updated;
http://www.fire.tas.gov.au/Show?pageId=colCurrentBushfires (http://www.fire.tas.gov.au/Show?pageId=colCurrentBushfires)
That's a top page. Wonder if the rest of Aus use something similar.
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That's a top page. Wonder if the rest of Aus use something similar.
Hi
After the Vic fires Tasfire spent a lot of time in Vic and brought back some good ideas. Historically they advised that everyone go home to defend if capable but they really didnt identify what 'capable' was.
This system is really good. Though there are very very very very very few properties down here that are properly fire prepared sadly.
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Tasfire must have taken all the good ideas back with them as the CFA site shat itself yesterday.
There are very few properties in general that are fire ready.
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Just seen the fires on the news ,pretty bad .Hope help is on the way if they need it.
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There are very few properties in general that are fire ready.
You can say that again, people are widely optamistic in their abilities in fighting fires.
In 2006 a wildfire ran thru our farm near Mansfield, it took a whole strike team to save 1 farmhouse and hayshed. 34 CFA firefighters, 5 tankers, 2 slip ons, and a control vehicle, and 6 family members with another 2 slip ons. The numbers dont add up, it is hard yakka.
I will never do it again. If there is a next time, I will walk away and reduce risk to others.
(spoken by someone with 17 years professional fire fighting experience).
The tas fire site is similar to the Vic one, (when working).
Wat really pi55es me off is that we have pollies telling us that the system is ready (grabbing airspace on TV), and the next day the system crashes. Peter Ryan, bow your head in shame.
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Last night
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4453812-16x9-940x529.jpg (http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4453812-16x9-940x529.jpg)
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Hi dazzler
As we speak I have a Tassie friend who is heading on his boat with supply's and to pick up family members stranded. Thinking of our Tassie friends.
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Last night
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4453812-16x9-940x529.jpg)
Fark!
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Hope all in Tassie are safe and accounted for. Living in the Blue Mountains I get quite blas'e about fires at times bit reality comes back watching the news.
You can say that again, people are widely optamistic in their abilities in fighting fires.
In 2006 a wildfire ran thru our farm near Mansfield, it took a whole strike team to save 1 farmhouse and hayshed. 34 CFA firefighters, 5 tankers, 2 slip ons, and a control vehicle, and 6 family members with another 2 slip ons. The numbers dont add up, it is hard yakka.
I will never do it again. If there is a next time, I will walk away and reduce risk to others.
(spoken by someone with 17 years professional fire fighting experience).
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I knew somebody that stayed and saved his home once . He said next time it could all burn for all he cared he would not go through it again, and this guy was an AG pilot who was reasonably fearless!
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Tasfire must have taken all the good ideas back with them as the CFA site shat itself yesterday.
There are very few properties in general that are fire ready.
Tell me about it. It was down randomly down today as well. We got caught out in SA heading for Portland. We had planned to detour on a road that was open in that area (so we thought) and got caught out as the site was down and the road had been closed after the last time we checked while it was up :( so we spent a day chasing our tails.
Stay safe everyone down there :cheers:
BD
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Tasfire must have taken all the good ideas back with them as the CFA site shat itself yesterday.
There are very few properties in general that are fire ready.
I watched a doco on the aftermath of the ViC fires and the families. Tragic as it was, what I could not belive was that they allowed some of those families to rebuild there homes simalar to before. One where the grand kids and others pershied was a raised timber home exposed around the piers and it was rebuilt the same! The RFS would have a fit in NSW if you tried to build that. They override the council in the blue mountains and can demand a block be almost striped of trees prior to approval for building. They have rules on slope of block, no continous canopy, asset protection area etc etc. as they are asked to risk there life to protect it so they should have a say that it is built with a reasonable chance of survival IMO?
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...what I could not belive was that they allowed some of those families to rebuild there homes simalar to before.
Dunno about that, anywhere near Marysville they have been really hard on the new building code which is why Marysville will never be the same.
http://theage.domain.com.au/real-estate-news/new-home-and-high-hopes-for-black-saturday-survivors-20130104-2c80o.html (http://theage.domain.com.au/real-estate-news/new-home-and-high-hopes-for-black-saturday-survivors-20130104-2c80o.html)
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Fark!?!
Yep, I'd second that!
We've just had a nice afternoon of rain, still didnt stop the relentless hot wind early enough in the day.
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I watched a doco on the aftermath of the ViC fires and the families. Tragic as it was, what I could not belive was that they allowed some of those families to rebuild there homes simalar to before. One where the grand kids and others pershied was a raised timber home exposed around the piers and it was rebuilt the same! The RFS would have a fit in NSW if you tried to build that. They override the council in the blue mountains and can demand a block be almost striped of trees prior to approval for building. They have rules on slope of block, no continous canopy, asset protection area etc etc. as they are asked to risk there life to protect it so they should have a say that it is built with a reasonable chance of survival IMO?
I tend to agree a bit with what your saying.
As a nation we are learning as each major bushfire is done and dusted and as we saw in Tassie we now have far better warnings in place than we did in the past, so luckily there is little to zero loss of life but from an outsider looking in there seems like so much more could be done to help prevent loss of property.
I hate to start a debate on this because without the knowledge needed to fully understand the practical side of it I could be way out of the ball park but geez we have some fuel in the undergrowth in our bush in Tassie. I realise some areas dont have the fire breaks etc to safely do this but surely once a fire has been through an area it is the ideal time to set up the planning for future burns and make sure the redevelopment of an area is as safe as possible to handle a fire.
Once again, I really dont have enough of an idea as to whats involved in making our bush safer but maybe we should look at how the aboriginals have done it for years??
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Fark!
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This is still good news at the moment.
The Tasmanian bushfires are still fatality-free after a police search of one of the state’s worst-hit towns.
It is still far too early to confirm that that is not the case. But we have to brace ourselves for the fact we may locate one or more deceased.
Police searched 335 properties in and near Dunalley, a village on the state’s east coast, but have not found any bodies.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/police-begin-grim-search-for-fire-victims-20130106-2cb6o.html#ixzz2HFTvO33n (http://www.smh.com.au/national/police-begin-grim-search-for-fire-victims-20130106-2cb6o.html#ixzz2HFTvO33n)
On the RFS can demand clearing land in Blue mountains, this is proof that Victorian Councils and Gov (Greens) are stupid. Blokes house was a rare one in the area still standing, but the council wont admit he was right to clear the land.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/fined-for-illegal-clearing-family-now-feel-vindicated-20090211-84sw.html (http://www.theage.com.au/national/fined-for-illegal-clearing-family-now-feel-vindicated-20090211-84sw.html)
Yet someone was arrested for Arson in Dandenongs on weekend.. WTF was she thinking?
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So is this the result of no burn offs and stuff? I don't remember any large bush fires in Tasmania for a long time. Any Tassie swaggers know when the last large fires were?
Tasmania's destructive Tasman Peninsula bushfire turned for the worse again on Tuesday, threatening homes around the Eaglehawk Neck area.
Pushed by gusty winds, the fire which began burning six days ago, was impacting directly on the area, and an emergency warning was issued by the Tasmanian Fire Service.
The area consists of dozens of long-held family holiday homes, and a scattering of costly new residences set amid bushland and sea cliffs facing the Tasman Sea.
Local people were urged to evacuate to the peninsula's main town, Nubeena, with winds forecast to strengthen in the area in a cool change, the Bureau of Meteorology said.
Meanwhile police said a preliminary search of 557 houses in the fire-affected area had uncovered no dead. Of these, 110 properties were destroyed or damaged, many of them in the town of Dunalley.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/tassie-bushfire-worsens-threatens-homes-20130108-2ce1n.html#ixzz2HLenB39p (http://www.theage.com.au/national/tassie-bushfire-worsens-threatens-homes-20130108-2ce1n.html#ixzz2HLenB39p)
(http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2013/01/08/3937026/729_NZfire-420x0.jpg)
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/family-take-refuge-from-flames-in-sea-20130108-2cdts.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/family-take-refuge-from-flames-in-sea-20130108-2cdts.html)
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Last big fires in Tasmania were 1967 i think.
http://www.royalcommission.vic.gov.au/getdoc/a0840c4d-9afa-461b-884f-fbfb0c008b06/RSCH.030.001.0122.pdf (http://www.royalcommission.vic.gov.au/getdoc/a0840c4d-9afa-461b-884f-fbfb0c008b06/RSCH.030.001.0122.pdf)
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Last big fires in Tasmania were 1967 i think.
http://www.royalcommission.vic.gov.au/getdoc/a0840c4d-9afa-461b-884f-fbfb0c008b06/RSCH.030.001.0122.pdf (http://www.royalcommission.vic.gov.au/getdoc/a0840c4d-9afa-461b-884f-fbfb0c008b06/RSCH.030.001.0122.pdf)
so harsh as it sounds, well and truly overdue unless their hazard reduction plan is worlds best practice, not that people deserve to burn, lose houses etc.. you cant have no fires for 40+ yrs and not expect there to be insane amounts of fuel on the ground..
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So is this the result of no burn offs and stuff? I don't remember any large bush fires in Tasmania for a long time. Any Tassie swaggers know when the last large fires were?
I live in the area that the worst fires tassie experienced in1967. The fire rating wasn't even extreme from memory. There was a big wind and no real fire fighting capabilities. Our place, that dates back to the 30's was one of the only remaining places in our area.
Fuel reduction burns may have their place however it is far more technical than most realise. Speaking only for my area of Tasmania the advice from experts, not greenies mind you, is that many of the gullies in particular should not be burnt as it changes them from 'wet' forest to 'dry' and then far more prone to burn. Much of Tassie has a very low Haines Index so you want to keep the forest moist. See here;
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/models/?lt=wzcountry&lc=aus&mt=gfs&mc=haines&mso=0&mh=0&focus=mh (http://www.weatherzone.com.au/models/?lt=wzcountry&lc=aus&mt=gfs&mc=haines&mso=0&mh=0&focus=mh)
Much of Tas is still 'very low' with only the east coast being 'low'. This may explain why we dont get the fires tearing across country like they do on the nth island.
If you look at Dunally for example it has been destroyed by ember attack not direct flame/heat. Clearing trees from your property, as the fella did for 100m around, increases both ember attack and wind speed. He was lucky he was able to put out all the ember ignitions otherwise it would have gone too.
Take a look at some of the areas where houses have been lost down the Tasman Peninsula, the tops of the trees are still green and its only the grass that has burnt.
Forests will burn, houses will burn, regardless of what you do. The important thing is that people live and can find shelter. This still hasn't been addressed and needs to be as a priority.