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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hilly77 on November 16, 2012, 06:37:21 PM
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Fellow swaggers,
I have a little dilema and I need some opinions. We are looking to upgrade our Subaru Diesel Forester for either a 2011 GX Prado (diesel) or a 2012 Territory (diesel).
Most people instantly scream Prado and I originally did as well however for the same price with the Territory the fit out is a lot nicer and they are a nicer drive (which the wife likes!).
We tow a 2011 Jayco Hawk OB however will only be taking this out a handful of times a year and in terms of towing capacity the 2 vehicles are on par with weight limits.
I keep bouncing between the two and it doesn't help that I live in central NSW which is Toyota Country!
One thing that does annoy me is that the Toyota Dealer won't budge however the Ford dealer is throwing things at me to make the sale (including 3yrs extra warranty, free tyres for life, heavy duty tow bar etc etc).
Help!!!
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Hilly,
I have a Subaru Outback Diesel and have just bought a Pajero. Why ? Because I intend on going on the beach and more offroad, longer trips needing to cary more gear, as well as the bitumen trips.
Your decision gets down to what type of travelling you intend on doing. The Territory will not go everywhere the Prado will go. I think its really that simple between these two.
The Toyota dealer won't budge beacuse there is high demand for Prado's. There isn't the same for Territories...
MarkVS
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I am a biased Toyota driver.
Four
Old
Rust
Doors.
Resale, ability to go anywhere you want to tow, resale, appearance, resale, height on the road and ability to see, resale, fixed price servicing of prado, resale, 4 cyl as opposed to 6 cyl rego and insurance, resale................................
Cheers Nomad
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I am a biased Toyota driver.
Four
Old
Rust
Doors.
Resale, ability to go anywhere you want to tow, resale, appearance, resale, height on the road and ability to see, resale, fixed price servicing of prado, resale, 4 cyl as opposed to 6 cyl rego and insurance, resale................................
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Found
On
Rubbish
Dumps
Cheers Nomad
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free tyres for life never heard of that before must really want the sale!!!!!!
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I can haggle Rambo....just not with Toyota dealers 8)
Thanks for the advice guys...the decision is killing me!!!
My head says Prado but my wallet says Territory...
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why not pajero. cheaper then prado and will do everything the prado does.
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It depends on weather you want to go off the tar ? Maybe the resale would be better on the prado
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The Ford dealer is throwing a great package shows how desperate they are in trying to move sales well I suppose the news today says it all. At the end of the day you have to way up what is best for you.
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Now on a serious note.
We have just gone through this and I even looked at (dare I say) a Hyundai.
But at the end of the day it was a Prado the won us over.
Still not as nice as the other Holden, Nissan, Ford and the rest that we looked at.
But hey you got to love the TOYOTA's
Oh what a feeling!!!!!!! lol
Good luck with it.
:cheers: :cheers:
Rod......
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Mate, I've had both & let me tell you, I would not ever go back to a Territory. The Prado is a far superior vehicle.
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Prado or Pajero.........both good units. Territory.................well you can't polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter.
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We have friends who had a territory and we ourselves have had 3 prados.
Friends were happy to take the terri up the beach if we were with them. Guess that says something- do you want to do softroading? If so, will you be the tower or towee?
As for resale, never had a prob with the 2 Prados i have sold, and also never heard someone say they lost out when they sold a Prado. Territories, well yeah i do know a couple of people that sold them and felt they lost cash. As for my last prado sale, i didn't even get to wash it and someone from work insisted on taking it off my hands before i advertised it.
If you want to keep it for a while then just think about the sort of driving you want to do. Make a choice based on that.
If you might want to sell it sooner rather than later then i think there's only 1 choice - Prado. Doesnt seem to matter if sold in the first few years or 8 years old like my last one. They hold their value well.
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Our Prado is older but at 14 yrs old everything still feels nice and believe me they can take the occaisional abuse and not even feel it
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We have a 150 GXL prado and love it, our next option would have been the pajero and then the challenger.
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Thanks guys...
At 35 I am only entering the world of 4wding and although I have not done a great deal up to this point I would like the option to be able to do it.
Just want something to tow the camper with ease as well as have enough room inside to carry all our gear as well as 2 girls under 3 and a 40 kilo dog...oh and the wife ;D
Hilly.
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Guys, Pajero?
Come on, bang for your buck... Pathfinder...
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something that might swing it and did for us
the Prado/Pajero cargo area is as tall as it's wide.
We plan on raising the floor making some custom built shelving and drawers under and along one side so that the dogs can hang out in the back and we still have separate space for luggage, esky etc
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If you'd like the option to go 4wding I see there being only one choice (out of you two) and yes the Prado's do hold their value well.
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Guys, Pajero?
Come on, bang for your buck... Pathfinder...
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Oldn, a word of advice: the original question asked for first hand experience/comparison of 2 particular makes. There are plenty of threads that have asked generic questions like this, and 9 times out of 10 they just end up with everyone saying 'get the vehicle that I drive', and then from there mud slinging starts and it all goes pear shaped (I'm not sitting in a glass house> been involved myself, and warned by moderator).
Best not to weigh in if you don't have any first hand knowledge of the 2 cars in question, unless of course you do wish to witness what transpires (for ref check out a recently locked thread about lc200 lemons and you will get the drift)
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Well, to go against the grain here - if I were starting out with camper trailering and new to offroad - I'd go Territory. If that's the one your wife likes, it's going to help get her out there with the Jayco, right? And if it's also the daily driver, the Ford beats the pants off the Toyota (and almost all the other contenders in the large 'SUV' category) as it is so nice to drive and is extremely well designed and fitted out.
It will also go pretty well offroad (it has big wheels and long travel suspension) although the moment you lift a wheel it will stop - but you won't be taking it places where that will happen.
Once you establish your camping patterns, and this may take a good year or two, you'll know soon enough whether you actually need a serious 4WD like a Prado. And Prado is a great vehicle and should you choose that option you won't be disappointed.
We've had a 2005 Territory since 2007 - RWD TX 5 seater with a few TS options - and it has been a superlative family and travelling vehicle. There are some issues with our model but all have been rectified either through dealer bulletins during servicing, or through recalls. The new ones are sorted, and that diesel is a sweet motor indeed. If you want to research them, go to www.fordforums.com.au (http://www.fordforums.com.au) and go to the Territory section, lots of very knowlegable people there. So far all I've heard there about the new diesel model is positive.
I'd happily trade mine on a new diesel one if it were our primary vehicle; we use our Patrol as the daily driver though. Our Territory will go soon so I can get a GQ Patrol for playing in the tracks :) Mrs Squalo will be pleased when I'm no longer bringing the GU home with newly acquired character...
Resale on the diesel Territorys is going to be better than the earlier models (which like a drink, but that's about the only bad thing I can say about them).
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I've had 2 Prados and can't speak highly enough of them. Excellent off roader, great resale as others have said. My old 95 series went everywhere and never ever let me down. I advertised it Friday avo and sold it Saturday morning. Just getting my new 150 set up and it will start hitting the tracks over the xmas-new years holidays.
I've never driven the Territory so cannot comment..
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Well, to go against the grain here - if I were starting out with camper trailering and new to offroad - I'd go Territory. If that's the one your wife likes, it's going to help get her out there with the Jayco, right? And if it's also the daily driver, the Ford beats the pants off the Toyota (and almost all the other contenders in the large 'SUV' category) as it is so nice to drive and is extremely well designed and fitted out.
It will also go pretty well offroad (it has big wheels and long travel suspension
I'm lucky enough to have an 80 Series and a AWD Territory. Has the six speed auto great for towing
If were going to a CP or not to far of road we take the Terri for comfort fuel economy.
We have had it up some nasty tracks and driveways were we live and with the traction control it was fine.
Would not do it all the time
The new models have come a long way not a 4x4 but a great AWD
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Oldn, a word of advice: the original question asked for first hand experience/comparison of 2 particular makes. There are plenty of threads that have asked generic questions like this, and 9 times out of 10 they just end up with everyone saying 'get the vehicle that I drive', and then from there mud slinging starts and it all goes pear shaped (I'm not sitting in a glass house> been involved myself, and warned by moderator).
Best not to weigh in if you don't have any first hand knowledge of the 2 cars in question, unless of course you do wish to witness what transpires (for ref check out a recently locked thread about lc200 lemons and you will get the drift)
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Having said that, there is a vehicle that reviewers have said has equalled or bettered Prados/Pajeros off road and drives better than a Territory on bitumen. But I won't follow the 9 out of 10 and mention its name.
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I work in the automotive industry and would have a Territory if some one gave me one in a matter of fact i would i own a Land Rover before a Territory.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Horses for courses. For a quick trip tp see the grandkids, we use the Territory. As a point to point on bitumen, it's a trop vehicle. Otherwise, having the best of both worlds, it's a choice between my GQ work truck or an 80 Wagon I brought of a mate last year just for touring. I'ts set up for towing a van and it does the job well.
As for suggesting upgrading the Territory, I don't even go there. It's HERS. ;D
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I should add a bit there. The Territory tows a vintage Cavalier Camper, doesn't know it's there. Both other vehicles will tow my toolbox trailer or a tandem tipper all day quite happily. Both are tandem, 4wheel brakes. The toolbox trailer weighs 2.89T so has to have a breakaway system fitted and rego upgraded. The Tipper is legal 3T. Sorry about pinching this thread >:D
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Go the Prado
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Thanks for all the replies!
As much as I would like a Prado I know I don't really need one so it is hard to justify the extra $$$ over a territory.
In saying that the Toyota dealer just called....when I hinted at changing my mind to get a territory he said he would talk to his 'manager' and get back to me with another offer....
Stay tuned!!!
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If I ever get another vehicle, it will probably be a Diesel Territory. But I am way too much to a tightwad to buy a new one. Give it a couple of years, good secondhanders will be available. :)
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I've seen 3 Territory owners at work brought new. All 3 had issues. Some major, some minor some different to the others. One issue I recall was brake lines were to short, was noticed when car was on hoist for another issue that the lines were holding the wheels up when lifted. As a Nissan owner I'd still say out of your choices to pick the Prado & in the diesel would be best. "IMHO"
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I'm a far more adventurous offroader than when I started out. If you & The Boss like it, you'll probably become more adventurous. A Prado now will do almost everything that you might want. Whereas the Territory will be more limiting.
Will a dollar or two saved now, be wasted on selling and upgrading because you want to be more adventurous down the track?
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Prado. But as a Prado owner I am biased :D 170000 k with no issues or rattles to speak of.
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What are the figures for each?
The Prado will cost more but retain its value far far more than a territory. Whether its fair or not the Territory will be virtually unsellable down the track or you will get peanuts for it.
Why not check out Pajero. They are always having sales. Last week they were throwing in a mail order bride to go with the fake chrome trim. Cant get better than that!
If you need an All Wheel Drive have you checked out Kluger? Resale will kill Territory.
If you need low range then its Paj or Prado.
If you need HD off road the its Patrol.
The worlds your oyster.
Have fun.
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If you need an All Wheel Drive have you checked out Kluger? Resale will kill Territory.
If you need low range then its Paj or Prado.
If you need HD off road the its Patrol.
And if you need brain surgery, there's another brand you could consider....
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Another vote for a Diesel Prado, Probably best car I've owned :cheers:
BD
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I have a Territory Ghia and a Prado GXL 150 series
Had the Territory for a few years now, still have it. Its my daily driver.
Prado was my husbands bought at the end of 2010. When he changed jobs he got a company car so I started driving the Prado, its a manual and I really didnt like it. Living in suburbia and having traffic lights, round about or having to turn every 50mtrs meant that a manual was a PIA compared to auto so we sold it rather than having an expensive car sitting around.
Current plan, buy another 150 Prado and get rid of the Territory. Both the cars have different luxury items the other doesnt have (going to miss the seat auto adjusting to my setting) but I did prefer the Prado, probably because the terri keeps failing. Get something fixed and then something else goes, my friend who also has a terri but a newer model has the same issues. Also its just plain embarrassing when you are at the lights and there is one behind you, one next to you and another two waiting on the other side!
So my plan, get rid of my awful Territory (who I used to love but now hate) and get back into a Prado!
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at the end of the day the Territory is nothing more than a Falcon Station Wagon. One of my collegues got one as his company car instead of a Ranger. After six months, one of which it spent in the repairers the company has now cut it's losses and will no longer buy Territorys.
Personally I think the extra dollars of a Prado are easily justifiable in the resale alone.
Just my 2c
:cheers: Cracka
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I've got a Territory, not my favourite car in the world but it SWMBO loves it and it's great for around town duties, has heaps of room for the kids and all their crap, tows the Swan like it's not there and is very economical (deisel). When I was recently looking for a new car for myself I looked at the Prado and loved it but the budget couldn't stretch that extra $20k, so I ended up with the Navara.
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I would have thought they are 2 totally different cars designed for 2 totally different things....
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Mate to be honest from what you've said the Territory would be fine. M folks have towed a van around Aus with their petrol Terra. Sure they had a few probs, but they went round Aus (on bitch.) so anything would have had a few minors.
But then so would alot of other cars. Like the Mits. Challenger. Personally I would look at some of the others apposed to the Terra based on reviews and such.
Happy hunting.
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You will wish you got the Prado the one day you need 4wd to get to that "special spot". Beats walking 2k's there.
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I agree with Lost, it is like comparing a shower and a swimming pool, they both get you wet but designed for different things.
I know lots of people with Prados, generally very happy with them and a reasonable capable 4wd. I know lots of people with Territories also and generally not so happy. The one I know best is my bosses car, cost just under $70K 5 years ago, has to go back to have the bolts on the turbo tightened every 5,000Km, has troubles with discs that need machining / replacing way more than any other car I know of, has always been well maintained and detailed regularly but when he was thinking of trading it in a few months ago the ford dealer thought they were being incredibly generous by offering him $15K
:cheers:
Dave
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at the end of the day the Territory is nothing more than a Falcon Station Wagon......
Never heard it described like that before but come to think of it your probably right Cracka :cheers:
BD
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We have an FG Falcon and its a bloody ripper of a car.
The arguments above about getting your wife what she is happy with are very sensible. If you want the Prado/Pajero you need to get her to be keen on a real 4wd.
"Imagine if we were in a accident, the children would be so much safer in a larger vehicle."
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We have an FG Falcon and its a bloody ripper of a car.
The arguments above about getting your wife what she is happy with are very sensible. If you want the Prado/Pajero you need to get her to be keen on a real 4wd.
"Imagine if we were in a accident, the children would be so much safer in a larger vehicle."
or just turn up in it, once its in the driveway, its stiff Shit sweety, this or you start walking.
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Oh, Lost you charmer. You never hearing the end of it charmer.
Ignore Bruce, or you will never get to meet him whilst camping because you'll never go. :D
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Oh, Lost you charmer. You never hearing the end of it charmer.
Ignore Bruce, or you will never get to meet him whilst camping because you'll never go. :D
;D ;D ;D how many women would complain about a $60,000 shopping trolley being given to them!!!!! One drive and they'll be sold on it.. or just sold.
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Our territory is only 3 years old, 45,000 km. it is comfortable and tows well on the road but we have had endless problems - an intermittent start/ stall issue since new that is still not fixed, electrical issues with window winders, front end tie rods worn out prematurely, rear window hinges have sagged.......
We are about to cut our losses and get a Prado, which we should have done at the start.
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My parents have a territory that is about 5 years old its an ok car to drive. They have not had too many issues with it and i think they were all covered by ford. We have freinds with a territory that once the waaranty expired so did the car. They cant wait to get rid of it. We have had two Prados and had only two issues. The first one melted after being deliberatrly torched, by the person that stole it, and just recently we had a minor issue where a line on the vaumm side of the turbo fell off and the turbo stopped doing its thing. That is the only real issue we have had with our prado and its dragged our KK all over the country side without any issues or problems.
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Lots of replies...and yes they are 2 different cars but unfortunately the wife and I had 2 very different wants....until she test drove the Prado ;D
Sure it was not as luxurious as the Terra but she got out of the Prado after the test drive with a big smile on her face....now we are just working out figures with the dealer.
Hopefully in the next week or 2 there will be a Prado sitting in my driveway!
Thanks for all the comments I have enjoyed reading them,
Hilly.
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Great stuff Hilly, you won't be dissapointed :cup:
:cheers: Cracka
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Hilly,
I really think you have done the right thing..it will give you a lot more flexibility as to where you can go..even if you don't need it know, you will find further down the track that you will want it (as we did).
Make sure you post the pictures when you get it.
MarkVS
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Good on you. That is an excellent result for your whole family.
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eheheh good one, that is how I ended up with a Prado. We had been planning on a big trip and we needed a new car, my wife was so against 4wd, I thought I could convince her to get a small car and then a 4wd for the trip..she was horrified and reckon that option was too expensive...she relucantly agreed to look at 4wds one day, so checked them all out. Territory, Mitsubishi, Nissann and had no intention of buying one as I thought it would take me a long time to work on her. We were walking to the Toyota dealership and I heard...I like that color blue, lets test drive it. Up until this point all I had heard was not enough storage, too boxy, not enough room for the kids, too common,
She went around the block, took it back got out and said I love it and the color is fantastic...I bought it, I couldnt get my credit card out quick enough to put the deposit down.
She now loves the Prado and whenwe drive a normal car, she doesnt like it. She has even done a 4wd course.
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Good choice. You wont regret it. ;D
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Congrats on the purchase.
I am on to my 3rd Prado so you can guess what my recommendation would have been!
Cheer - Rural
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Done 6500 Kay's in the last 4 weeks from Melbourne to Cooktown and halfway back in our 2012 gx prado auto diesel towing our camper with our kids, do not have a bad word to say about it, fuel economy is great, you won't be disappointed. Cruises comfortably on the terrible QLD roads in 38 degree heat yet punting around the national parks and beaches with ease.
We did the" we need a new 4x4" thing in January after selling the 380000 Kay old gu 4.2 and the price nearly put us off the Toyota but after talking to heaps of people, we really stretched the budget to get it and we love it. Very capable 4x4 straight off the dealership.
We have had good after sales service from Toyota as well which surprised us but made us very happy.
It's my wife's school run trolley during the week normally and she loves driving it as much as I do.
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Definitely made the right choice, one was engineered by little Japanese people who are never satisfied with their finished product and continue to improve every aspect of their vehicles, the other one by a gang of Aussies in Geelong with the help of some cowboys in Detroit (there travelling well!) by injecting growth hormones into a tired old taxi engine & chassis.
You can pretty much bank on years of confident motoring & travelling in the Toyota:)
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...by injecting growth hormones into a tired old taxi engine & chassis.
Love it :cup:
Price is forgotten long after quality remains ;D
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No doubt it, we Japs know how to build a car!!!
fuji
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No doubt it, we Japs know how to build a car!!!
fuji
And just occasionally you have to recall them all back to have another go at it........????
Ha ha
Just sunday morning Shit stirring!