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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nutto on September 20, 2012, 11:36:59 AM
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Some oxygen thief in Qld transport has jumped in and released this instruction regarding LED light bars...
Only in Qld...... >:(
http://www.cviaq.com.au/PDFs/VSI%20HV25.0%20Driving%20Lamps.pdf (http://www.cviaq.com.au/PDFs/VSI%20HV25.0%20Driving%20Lamps.pdf)
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Nutto
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It was bound to happen
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Hi,
I can see where he is coming from, but he is totally out of touch with reality.
Regulations are playing catch up with technology, and missed the boat.
cheers
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Even my spotties in the middle of my bull bar aren't 600mm apart
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Whats the big problem with it?
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Whats the big problem with it?
Hi
probably and existing requirement for lights to be fitted in pairs, symmetrically, and wired into high beam unless they are fog lights.
cheers
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probably and existing requirement for lights to be fitted in pairs, symmetrically, and wired into high beam unless they are fog lights.
so you put the small divider in there like the example, its not like they are banning them.
it was only matter of time, I've been blinded 203948230948 times by pricks with them that feel you need to know they have LED light bars at night..
Same with HID headlights.
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Struggle to see the point of a small divider ??? No matter what spot lights or LED's are up front, they are never supposed to be seen by anyone oncoming when operating, so why bother with a petty rule like putting a 2 inch divider in a LED lightbar?
FWIW, I don't have a LED lightbar or HID lights, and agree about wankfactors using these in built up areas
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First they came for the LED lights and then the bull-bars :police:
And to think that orrible Campbell Newman wants to cut 14000 of these jokers sitting around in 'meetings bloody meetings' just cooking up the next make work program for all their mates.
What sorta unorstrayun bloke is this Campbell Newman and what were them banana benders thinking at the time?
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Note the bit about "Driving lamps must be at the front of the vehicle". There goes your roof mounted lights...
And there's nothing new about the regs. They're the same as they've allways been. It's just a notice to say,
"Hey, if you want to fit a light bar it must still comply with the existing regs. And just to show we're really good guys, if you put this little divider in we'll let you get away with one bar"
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Note the bit about "Driving lamps must be at the front of the vehicle". There goes your roof mounted lights...
They are illegal already
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Black tape used for the light bars would work.
Mark
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So we should expect to see a decline in the utes with 4 & 6 spotties on the roll bar and another 2 on the bull bar. :cheers:
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Seriously??? Because a light bar looks soooooo much like a motorbike...... Surely QLD Cops have better things to do........
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does this make bikes with twin headlights ilegal too dont know if anyone has 600 mm between the spot lights as per regs
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Seriously??? Because a light bar looks soooooo much like a motorbike...... Surely QLD Cops have better things to do........
Consider when the Regulations were written there may not have been any lights the dimensions of a light bar that could be attached to a vehicle. Easier to modify the lights then it is to change a Regulation, that the law makers not the law enforcers. The Regs seem to be the same for NSW
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What about 4wd's that have a single spottie? Do they have to put a shade down the middle of them now??
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Pretty rare for a 4wd to just a single spottie, generally in pairs or more
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What about 4wd's that have a single spottie? Do they have to put a shade down the middle of them now??
Single spoties are and allways have been illegal. They should allways be mounted in pairs. :police:
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Single spoties are and allways have been illegal. They should allways be mounted in pairs. :police:
and your supposed to run them in prs - 2x spread OR 2 x spot....
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and your supposed to run them in prs - 2x spread OR 2 x spot....
Seriuslly? Is that law lost or opinion Lost?
I prefer the 2xspots but most of the shops I have been in sell mostly as 1 of each to a pack.
Cheers
truck
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Seriuslly? Is that law lost or opinion Lost?
Thats the rules. but one of the rules they dont enforce.
Its funny since Hella (and others)sell them in 1 of each sets, and have for 30yrs....
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Really can't see what the fuss is about, the ADR hasn't changed in years. Everyone knows the rules, no one is forcing you to break them.
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Roofrack mounted lights would only be illegal if wired in to operate with high beam, by my reading of the regulations. If questioned, the owner would refer to them as work place illumination lights, specifically mounted away from the front of the vehicle so as to not be confused as driving lights.
On a recent trip through central QLD I came across some vehicles with incredible lights, blinding up close. I didn't have a problem with them, unless they were thoughtless and didn't dip until too close. The law states one must dip high beam when within 200m of oncoming vehicles, and this might also be a victim of technology, as 200m seems too close with some lights.
Personally, I dip my high beams as soon as possible when I see an oncoming vehicle.
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as 200m seems too close with some lights.
Personally, I dip my high beams as soon as possible when I see an oncoming vehicle.
1km would be to close for some lights.
I'm with you, I dip as soon as possible.
Now what about those that come from behind that leave these on so as to cast a shadow of your vehicle in front of your own vehicle with your own spotties on.
Now that really pi55e5 me Grrr >:D
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Roofrack mounted lights would only be illegal if wired in to operate with high beam, by my reading of the regulations. If questioned, the owner would refer to them as work place illumination lights, specifically mounted away from the front of the vehicle so as to not be confused as driving lights.
I;m with you BJ, having a light bar on your car is not illegal ,using it on the road is, just like so many other mods we all have, Wire it up on a seperate switch marked "offroad lights" or "worklamps"and when pulled over you should get no grief , even pull the fuse out. As for people using them on the road ,Well thats a different story.
Interestingly my new trition has a factory rear difflock , when it's engaged the ABS stops working and the dash light tells me that I have no ABS. I am sure I have read somewhere that modifications that effect saftey features are illegal. The way they prob get around this is that the owners handbook says "for offroad use only" . So if I used my difflock onroad (I know you never would but bear with me) my car would be illegally modifed as I would have lost a saftey feature of the car.
My point is that if it is designed for offraod use or worklamp use, then use it in that fashion and you will have no probs , but if you are, as others have said a white light warrior then you might loose some $$$.
Have a look at most lighting catalogues , Driving lamps are listed , then "worklamp" is the term used to cover led lightbars. the maunfacturers know the laws and the product discription is the answer , a worklamp is a worklamp and a driving light is a drivinglight , and I'd be pretty sure a magistrate would see it the same way if push came to shove.
but where led lighbars are concearned the cost of the damm things is the real offence IMHO LOL ;D ;D ;D
Jet ;D ;D
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:D Mmmm, my problem is now I have to fit another light (bull with orange cover) and have no space....
Unfortunately there is another rule which states, extra lights cannot be above, I think, 1.2m off the ground, and also can't impede vision which means it cannot be above the bonnet line basically. Oh well I was going to modify the bar anyway ;D
No I don't know how trucks get away with it.
If you want lights on your roof there is not a drama, so long as they are covered so they can't be used on-road.
The other is now it is illegal to have a rotating beacon fitted to your vehicle or something, work just gave me a letter that must be carried in the truck that states it is a necessary item/mines requirement. Maybe it's allowed too if it's covered....
It just used to be if you were using it without reason $300 or so.
Paul
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My last look at the regs in QLD was you were only aloud 4 forward facing light inc your factory head lights.
And nothing above your bonnet line.
So if your spotties on top of your bull bar, on your roof or roof racks were wired up to you head light low or high beam, they are illeagle.
Even my spot light on my roof 1 in the middle is illeagle.
The only way around this is as stated before off road use only......
We use to have to have a switch next to the light on the outside of the vehicle so the driver can not turn it on while driving.
Not just QLD but all main road rules are s#*t...
Rod.....
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But if you read the Regs the bull bar is ileagal as well as it hangs out the front of the rig so where do you mount the lights now . Anyway l still afraid of the dark more so at speed >:D
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But if you read the Regs the bull bar is ileagal as well as it hangs out the front of the rig so where do you mount the lights now . Anyway l still afraid of the dark more so at speed >:D
Actually it doesn't, bull bars are fine if they meet the required rules about such things as no sharp edges ( because you don't want to cut someone when you hit them with more than two tonnes of vehicle) cant impede forward vision, mustn't impact (excuse the pun) on the vehicles air bag deployment and a few others.
All these driving light rules have been in place for years. I ran driving lights in my roof knowing the rules, just never used them in situations where they were going to draw undue attention.
I was coming home from a snow trip where I had slid off the track and smashed my headlights, bull bar and windscreen. We managed to get the driving lights working so bolted them to the roll bar so I had some lights. Got pulled over as they were wobbling about. The policeman just told me make sure they weren't wobbling and to ensure they didn't shine into oncoming traffic. He didn't notice the missing windscreen, my blue face or the no headlights. Sometimes you get :)
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Well, it seems there has been a common sense update to this rule surrounding spotlights in pairs in QLD.
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Vehicle%20standards%20and%20modifications/Vehicle%20standards/Vehicle%20standards%20instructions/drivinglampsvehiclesguidelinemay13.pdf (http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Vehicle%20standards%20and%20modifications/Vehicle%20standards/Vehicle%20standards%20instructions/drivinglampsvehiclesguidelinemay13.pdf)
Can now have a an odd number of lights up front.
This is QLD only, other states will have their own rules. WA will still ping you for a single light bar, as per a recent post on another forum
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Thanks Nutto,
It was only a week or so ago that I posted up the then updated regs on another post as the pre 1991, now at last it does not matter what year of manufacture. Makes more sense. ???
cheers duggie
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Don't think there is 600 mm between headlights on my jimny
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I've managed to bypass all this kerfuffle by always setting up camp & enjoying a palate cleansing ale or two before sunset. No need for zillion candle power lights.
Steve
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FYI
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Vehicle%20standards%20and%20modifications/Vehicle%20standards/Vehicle%20standards%20instructions/drivinglampsvehiclesguidelinemay13.pdf (http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Vehicle%20standards%20and%20modifications/Vehicle%20standards/Vehicle%20standards%20instructions/drivinglampsvehiclesguidelinemay13.pdf)
regards
Drenno
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FYI
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Vehicle%20standards%20and%20modifications/Vehicle%20standards/Vehicle%20standards%20instructions/drivinglampsvehiclesguidelinemay13.pdf (http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Vehicle%20standards%20and%20modifications/Vehicle%20standards/Vehicle%20standards%20instructions/drivinglampsvehiclesguidelinemay13.pdf)
regards
Drenno
That's what I put up a couple of posts ago? Did you not see it ???
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;D I PREFER THIS ONE ;D (http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/Vehicle%20standards%20and%20modifications/Vehicle%20standards/Vehicle%20standards%20instructions/drivinglampsvehiclesguidelinemay13.pdf)