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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: britts on June 29, 2012, 02:09:52 PM
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My brother rings me today and tells me to check out this website www.tred4x4.com (http://www.tred4x4.com) as he has got me a pair but I'll have to wait until I'm up there at the end of July as he's to cheap to post them, guess i cant complain, they look the goods and Im keen to try them out, has anybody got a pair of these ??
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came across these last night. would be keen to hear any feed back as well
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These receovery devices seem to be coming out of the wood work lately...
I only knew of Maxtrax... then Bigjules came along with his version http://myswag.org/forum/index.php?topic=23313.msg360057#msg360057 (http://myswag.org/forum/index.php?topic=23313.msg360057#msg360057) and now these.
The patents office will be busy >:D
Anyway my 2c, these ones don't seem to be easily mountable looking at their pics:
(http://www.tred4x4.com/media/rokgallery/5/5f63a2d3-e3bd-4039-f0e9-7700bf084215/32c72b3e-ee60-4505-a619-08537f4492c9.jpg)
compared to these:
(http://www.myswag.org/gallery/d/39798-2/IMG_2734+_Large_.JPG)
LJ
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These receovery devices seem to be coming out of the wood work lately...
I only knew of Maxtrax... then Bigjules came along with his version http://myswag.org/forum/index.php?topic=23313.msg360057#msg360057 (http://myswag.org/forum/index.php?topic=23313.msg360057#msg360057) and now these.
The patents office will be busy >:D
Anyway my 2c, these ones don't seem to be easily mountable looking at their pics:
(http://www.tred4x4.com/media/rokgallery/5/5f63a2d3-e3bd-4039-f0e9-7700bf084215/32c72b3e-ee60-4505-a619-08537f4492c9.jpg)
compared to these:
(http://www.myswag.org/gallery/d/39798-2/IMG_2734+_Large_.JPG)
LJ
I have to agree with you on that LJ the Mallee ones certainly look to have much better fixing points and handles, I wonder if the Tred ones come with cable ties as standard ;D, I look forward to trying them out anyway
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I wonder if the Tred ones come with cable ties as standard ;D,
No need... every man has 73 different types of cable ties in their cave. ;D
On a serious note, out of the three, they look the most 'solid' with their deep grooves. Can't imagine them flexing and snapping under load.
Let's us know how they go when you get them. :cup:
LJ
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will do
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i got some Treds on friday and they work sweet i used them on the weekend. theres heaps of points to mount from you just cant see in all the pics. handles are really good when your digging. i did a bit of research and these are the best value and design. i saw this video of the mallee ones (smittybilt in the usa) which is pretty funny :D
Fake MAXTRAX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InYM-nwF4Ic#)
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nice first post Squishy,
you wouldn't be associated with tred by any chance?
Sorry for being cynical, but i always find it strange when posts like this are someones first post.
If not, then welcome to the forum, jump on over to the intro's thread and post an intro. Looks like you (your signin name) have some good youtube vids!
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What worries me with these is if they fail there's the possibility someone could be injured by flying shards of plastic. Where's the R&D, are they just copies made cheaper by using less or even worse unsuitable materials ?
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haha i wish. Thanks, i just got an old navara ute and gonna build in the back to a camper so needed to get something to get me out if the old girl gets stuck ill put up a video when shes done. Seems like the right place to get some advice! ;D
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What worries me with these is if they fail there's the possibility someone could be injured by flying shards of plastic. Where's the R&D, are they just copies made cheaper by using less or even worse unsuitable materials ?
Or maybe flying sand or stones!
Best not to venture outside let alone off the main road. Just sound too risky.
Can you see the R&D on the orange ones? Does it come packaged separately?
$199.00 for a genuine max trax bag. Maybe that's where the R&D is kept!
They have to be kidding. Anyone who is happy to pay that can knock themselves out while I shake my head.
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something I remember from Skool, was that when things 'bend' they should be flat, so there is no damage to the 'side' of the sheet metal, try and bend a 'star picket' compared to a flat metal bar made from the same size and thickness steel bar.
When I see the 2 x different brands of light and dark green 'tracks' (for want of a common name) I believe the one with the higher sides may crack if the vehicle weight bends the track under the weight of the vehicle.
If however the 'track' has almost no defined sides, it will bend safely, with-out cracking and last a longer time with more and often harder use.
As I understand it , the 'track' is placed under the tire to give a stable surface for the tires to grip and move the vehicle forward, so the 'track' has to be able to sit on a solid surface and not a bottomless mud pit, and if the solid surface is rocky or is of varying heights then the 'track' must surely be damaged in the process by the weight of the vehicle ??
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Or maybe flying sand or stones!
Best not to venture outside let alone off the main road. Just sound too risky.
Can you see the R&D on the orange ones? Does it come packaged separately?
$199.00 for a genuine max trax bag. Maybe that's where the R&D is kept!
They have to be kidding. Anyone who is happy to pay that can knock themselves out while I shake my head.
If there is mud and stones on the the ground or around a bog hole I'd expect the same to be in the hole, If someone sells me something to stick under my car to help me drive out of these
conditions I'd expect it to be fit for purpose. IMO going by the video I'd doubt these or at least the one's in the video would do that.
To me it's the same as the cheapo mud tyre argument, the maxarse mudies have near enough
the same tread pattern as the KM1s so must be as good, RUBBISH.
Not to mention at least they market them under the manufactures name not just whack a 20c sticker on em.
Chineese Stihl ripoffs are good too, some say.
As for the R&D the I think the orange ones have been around long enough, that if they were to fail
in some way there'd be a video or 2 on there weak points as well. Don't you ?
For what its worth I think there a huge waste of money regardless of the brand.
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Well my point was you were showing concern for broken bits of tracks flying off into people yet my point was there would be every chance of natural debris flying around in a recovery situation tracks or no tracks.
So you doubt that the tracks in the video would be fit for purpose. If their purpose was the repel the full force of a grown man trying to bend them in half I'd say I agree with you. I'm not sure I agree with you that this was an acceptable fit for purpose test though.
When I see a video of the said tracks being put on the ground against the wheels and the driver gently driving forward and the tracks braking/cracking and not allowing the vehicle to gain forward momentum then I will agree with you. Until then I will continue to believe that your comments are based on your personal opinion rather than fact.
R&D has nothing to do with how long a product has been around for so whose to say the orange ones have had more than any others?
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At a guess the lack of video's showing the maxtrax failing to me would suggest that they carried out there R&D before they were released for sale. Unlike the ripoff one in the video that appears to made from a poor choice of material. I noticed he only broke 1 of them maybe there's just no quality control and the other one will out last mankind.lol
When a copy of something comes along being marketed under many different (sticker) names without any history or the manufacturer supporting it,(not just an onseller making a buck) followed by that bit of video. MHO I think It'd be fair to assume it's just another cheap ripoff.
So until I see hundreds of people using these ripoffs in videos and hearing about what a great bargain recovery tool they are, to me they'll remain just another crap rip off. :-)
And without seeing any R&D they are IMO copies.
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Have you seen R&D for Maxtrax stuff, cool can you provide the link?
A video of a guy in his house breaking one with no idea whohe is or possible agenda means nothing. Who knows maybe he works for a competitor, maybe he has a grievance or maybe heis legit. I still wouldnt put much credence into just that one video
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Have you seen R&D for Maxtrax stuff, cool can you provide the link?
A video of a guy in his house breaking one with no idea whohe is or possible agenda means nothing. Who knows maybe he works for a competitor, maybe he has a grievance or maybe heis legit. I still wouldnt put much credence into just that one video
Agreed, maybe his from maxtrax or he could be the other mobs there QC .lol
As I posted above, the lack of videos showing them failing would to me suggest they did do some R&D. No I don't have a link, maybe someone from maxtrax will find this thread and post there comments, thoughts and maybe a link. Who knows it's the interweb where anythings possible they might come along offer a big discount on there product. haha
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Haha, your guessing about MT R&D (your own words) but you have no doubt about the one in the video being a rip off and made from a poor choice in materials.
The truth is you have formed a personal opinion (not even from facts) and are trying to pass it off as a matter of fact.
You have never seen any R&D for the MT either so why don't you acknowledge them as copies?
Do you honestly believe that MT are the first of this kind of device?
Thin metal tracks have been used for years and by your own logic MT is a copy made from an inferior material.
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Haha, your guessing about MT R&D (your own words) but you have no doubt about the one in the video being a rip off and made from a poor choice in materials.
The truth is you have formed a personal opinion (not even from facts) and are trying to pass it off as a matter of fact.
You have never seen any R&D for the MT either so why don't you acknowledge them as copies?
Do you honestly believe that MT are the first of this kind of device?
Thin metal tracks have been used for years and by your own logic MT is a copy made from an inferior material.
I never once said I had scientific proof of anything, were's your proof of anything, Maybe your going post some links to couple hundred videos ? I'm only stating the obvious, you sound like you've got share's in these ?
Do you own a pair of these ?
Show me some pics of the many times they've worked for you, like all the
stories videos and pics of the other one being used. hahaha
The simple fact you don't see maxtrax failing is proof enought for ME that there've done more than put a sticker on someone else's product and sell for a profit, not to mention that video that shows a SIMMALAR product to the one your defending. LOL
Maxtrax probably are some sort of copy of something but there the manufacturers and the marketers.
And i don't think you'd have to be a to real smart to figure this is my opinion. PMSL
I think you need to read between the lines a little more......hahahahahaa
Show me the feedback
Show me the videos
Show me all the article's in mags
waiting....
waiting....
Maybe in a couple of years.
Only calling it the way I see it.
I look forward to hearing how they go.
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LINK: http://www.maxtrax.com.au/about (http://www.maxtrax.com.au/about)
Makes interesting reading when you look into the way they are made, their history, the awards they have won world wide and view the videos supplied (yes by the manufacturer) ;D
Then these videos from various well known users of them
LINK: http://www.maxtrax.com.au/videos (http://www.maxtrax.com.au/videos)
:cheers:
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I never once said I had scientific proof of anything, were's your proof of anything, Maybe your going post some links to couple hundred videos ? I'm only stating the obvious, you sound like you've got share's in these ?
Do you own a pair of these ?
Show me some pics of the many times they've worked for you, like all the
stories videos and pics of the other one being used. hahaha
The simple fact you don't see maxtrax failing is proof enought for ME that there've done more than put a sticker on someone else's product and sell for a profit, not to mention that video that shows a SIMMALAR product to the one your defending. LOL
Maxtrax probably are some sort of copy of something but there the manufacturers and the marketers.
And i don't think you'd have to be a to real smart to figure this is my opinion. PMSL
I think you need to read between the lines a little more......hahahahahaa
Show me the feedback
Show me the videos
Show me all the article's in mags
waiting....
waiting....
Maybe in a couple of years.
Only calling it the way I see it.
I look forward to hearing how they go.
Cool so when Maxtrax were first released they already had hundreds of videos showing how good they were, heaps of articles written about them and lots of people using them?
One video of a product that hasn't been named, by someone who hasn't been named, doing something that a product isn't designed for, means no R&D has been done and that anything but Maxtrax are dodgy copies?
I have seen Maxtrax break under a Pajero and have seen them melted by spinning tyres to the point of being useless bits of plastic. User error, definetly, but they still failed, just like the one in the video. User error does not necessarily mean product error.
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I have seen Maxtrax break under a Pajero and have seen them melted by spinning tyres to the point of being useless bits of plastic. User error, definetly, but they still failed, just like the one in the video.
User error does not necessarily mean product error.
So can we agree some absolute idiots will destroy any & every brand of "track" when NOT used as they were designed for, and get on with friendly CAMPING chat ;D ;D ;D
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I grabbed my Maxtrax last night and tried what the guy did in the video. Didn't budge. I even stood on it and bounced up and down (like a bridge)... didn't budge (I'm ~90kgs). Is this a realistic test compared to the weight of the Patrol on it? Of course not.
As far as I'm concerned you guys can keep going on about R&D and whether they're copies or not... who cares. Really at the end of the day which would you want: a product that can be broken by bending it with your hands, or something a bit more tougher?
LJ
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Cool so when Maxtrax were first released they already had hundreds of videos showing how good they were, heaps of articles written about them and lots of people using them?
One video of a product that hasn't been named, by someone who hasn't been named, doing something that a product isn't designed for, means no R&D has been done and that anything but Maxtrax are dodgy copies?
I have seen Maxtrax break under a Pajero and have seen them melted by spinning tyres to the point of being useless bits of plastic. User error, definetly, but they still failed, just like the one in the video. User error does not necessarily mean product error.
Did you get any pics of the broken maxtracks ?
It's one video showing them fail, wheres one off them working.
My comments are only based on the video seen above, of some recently released product that looks to be made of unsuitable materials and or even of poor design.
When I see some proof they work, any proof. I may change my mind until then they look like cheap ripoffs. Nothing more, again MO based on the what I've seen above.
You can break anything if you try harder enough (copy or not ) and l also agree most failures
with things can be put down to operator error or design fault or poor quality materials.
To suggest something designed to work in a recovery situation wear the weight of vehicle is placed on the item and then see it fail (again) in that video says to me lack of research.
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"Cool so when Maxtrax were first released they already had hundreds of videos showing how good they were, heaps of articles written about them and lots of people using them?"
As far as I know
No, (and further more I don't really care) but there release wasn't followed up with a video of them failing. PMSL
If I'm going to hand over my hard earned for something like this to stick under my 200 series I don't want the thing folding up and ripping my plastic mud flap off because someone used the wrong or unsuited materials. Again these are my thoughts and opinions based on what seen in the video above.
Do these things even come with some sort of warranty anyone know ?
I've based my opinion on what I've seen, whats wrong with that ?
Here's some interesting reading if your looking for something like these.
http://china4x4accessories.com/product_show.asp?pid=311 (http://china4x4accessories.com/product_show.asp?pid=311)
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Found this photo on the net so now can someone find one of similar test for any other brand and we all can make an informed decision
The supplied link also makes interesting reading ;D
(yes, is 2 x Maxtrax under the Range Rovers front wheel)
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Back on track I believe that the Treds come with a 12 month warranty and are an Australian product if you bother to read their website :). :)
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My warranty question was in reference to the ones I see in the video.
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The point I was trying to make was I don't trust the agenda or intentions of someone who has just purchased a $200 recovery and their first action is to grab a video camera, try and bust the item whilst videoing it and then post it on YouTube. Normal people don't do that unless you have some sort of agenda in my opinion.
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(http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/4/0/1/7/thread-crap-wont_die.jpg)
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Here's some interesting reading if your looking for something like these.
http://china4x4accessories.com/product_show.asp?pid=311 (http://china4x4accessories.com/product_show.asp?pid=311)
That is a good link.
One cannot look at that video earleir and not be concerned. I know I was. I am loathe to post here, because this should be about TRED, but someone chose to make a comparison with my product that looks identical in shape, though I have confirmed that I cannot bend it like that. I have driven over several sets maybe 50 times and nothing is breaking off. I am Australian. I have been involved in this forum for many years, and intend to be involved for many more. Does anything think I would jeapordise my standing here, my enjoyment and friendships by trying to shonk fellow members? I am not a blow in advertising a discount product.
Back to TRED. I do like the colours, wish I had the money to be able to purchase the kind of volume required to be able to specify the colour.
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Over here, WA locals can buy genuine Max Trax MkII for the 'mates rates' price of just $260 in July :cup:
( inquiries by 'PM' or email only please )
Think about that for a while and you will wonder what you should be paying over on the East Coast
as they come to here from Brisbane, so we have to pay the extra freight charges :'(
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it is pretty strange how the guy in the video breaks his own stuff and then acts so surprised and those links to chinese 4x4 products are funny who would buy there name sounds cheap n nasty. i always check stuff out before buuing n got treds cos i liked the strong design n cheaper price it was treds or mxtraxx i couldnt find a reason to spend extra on a product that will do the same thing. i dont do a heap of 4x4 but ill get back to this post after i get to use em a bit more looks like the only responsible thing for me to do is find a excuse to go camping ;D and get dual battery, and finish build, and rust protect.......