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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Draggin on June 12, 2012, 07:49:56 AM
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Couldn't stop myself, over the last couple of years there have been several reports about tragedies occurring during bogged vehicle recoveries.
I was horrified dismayed to see the new Holden Colorado ad, the bloke casually throws a looped chain over the towball and proceeds with a snatch style recovery of a bogged vehicle. >:(
I would hope that my complaint directly to GM has some effect. I pointed out the facts and asked that they consider removing their ad and then reshoot it using safe recovery techniques.
If you feel strongly on this issue, please also make a formal complaint.
Stay safe
John
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I thought I saw the same thing on an add recently but it was so brief I wasn't sure, and haven't seen the add again. But good on you for being proactive. :cheers:
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Yep, saw the same thing on Saturday, was appalled and will be lodging a complaint too.
How could they even contemplate showing such a dangerous thing to the public.
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All-new Colorado TV Ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHHF8piaxDA#ws)
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Yep, saw the same thing on Saturday, was appalled and will be lodging a complaint too.
How could they even contemplate showing such a dangerous thing to the public.
Seriously, how would an ad agency know?
We only know because we are around them. I saw a ad with the bloke crossing his arms as he steered - how dumbs that!
You would think by now with litigation they would run ads past industry before release.
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Ok, maybe a dumb question, I reckon there is a fair potential for damage to either vehicles given the 'snatch' type recovery speed - but my understanding is that a chain won't recoil like a strap or winch wire. My theory is if anything failed it would fall to the ground fairly quickly without causing injury.....and, no I wasn't the driver ;D
Comments on chain breaking under load?
Tim
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Chain? I'm horrified about the towball
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When you see a chain snap while trying that type of recovery , you don't want to be near it .Have seen first hand the damage it can do to machinery and person's.
Cheers
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Sorry to add a touch of fairness, but the bloke doesn't "casually throw a looped chain over the towball"; the chain is already attached to the tow hitch the first time it's shown strung out, and it's distant enough to be unclear how it's attached.
I know underestimating public intelligence is the only safe option, but really, if we were to be requiring tv programming to show only what we should be doing, Top Gear would never have got off the ground; and that's been reasonably popular.
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I'm making the same complaint and after posting on our 4wd forum our president will probably do the same
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honestly, what are you expecting them to do?
Give 1/10129834029830232342342342342344893209823049809th of a shit?
or go 'people are noticing our adverts'....???
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I saw same ad last night and will contact them today.I have also contacted Ultratune about their ad where they recover a car from the river using a tow strap around the tow ball,it must cause some dismay to those who have lost loved ones through this method of recovery.
Trevor
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I once saw some blokes pulling a 4wd (patrol I think >:D ) out of one of the big muddy ditches at landcruiser park with a snatchy over a tow ball. It went off like a gunshot, luckily straight over the top of the other car (rather than through it!) and thank goodness no one was standing behind the recovery vehicle. We were inspecting a best approach route for another track about 80-100m off to one side but we didn't realise what they'd hooked the snatchy over until we saw it snap, otherwise we would have stopped them.
Cheers!
Hefty.
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I reckon the ad men though that big heavy chain looked super tough. Much more macho than a whimpy bit of webbing.
Colorado; the Truck the Village People drive!
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I have some 'inside' info and there will be an edited ad soon
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a woman was killed in the not to distant past when during a recovery, a snatch strap was placed over the tow ball and the tow ball snapped off.....thru her windscreen and killing her...
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most ad people have no clue, can't be told and breathe in a rarified atmosphere
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The scary thing is I have seen this at the Cape. People snatching vehicles out like that.
My $2 worth I could not be bothered to waste the energy to complain. Next we will be complaining about everything we see that we think is wrong.
Mark
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The scary thing is I have seen this at the Cape. People snatching vehicles out like that.
My $2 worth I could not be bothered to waste the energy to complain. Next we will be complaining about everything we see that we think is wrong.
Mark
Cape? You don't have to go that far! Any beach, forest or fire track, on any weekend...
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I complain on the basis that there are enough idiots doing stupid things and endangering other people, they should not be encouraged by witnessing dangerous behaviour on their bible and main form of education.
I disagree Hal H - towball loaded and ready to fire - deadly missile mate. Do some research on the deaths and injuries caused by this practise and you may change your stance - no fairness asked for, nor expected - it is just wrong.
Lost - what the hell was that number again and "come on, are you serious?" you must care a great deal to think of that number >:D
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I did a recovery on the weekend and the bloke hooked his dental floss like ironman strap over the towball. I ripped it off and hooked it off to the hitch mount directly.....................second snatch and the strap broke.........rather that than the towball.
Then when another cruiser hooked up to my front tow mount he wanted to hook up over his towball................why don't people know better.............
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My $2 worth I could not be bothered to waste the energy to complain. Next we will be complaining about everything we see that we think is wrong.
Mark
I agree 100%
Not even worth all the attention its gotten on the forum really.
There are alot more dangerous/scary things on the television than this 30 second advert where most viewers dont even notice/care where the chain is hooked...
Bill and Morag
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Sorry to add a touch of fairness, but the bloke doesn't "casually throw a looped chain over the towball"; the chain is already attached to the tow hitch the first time it's shown strung out, and it's distant enough to be unclear how it's attached.
I think in the following snip you can CLEARLY see where it is attached ........ over the towball.
Cheers Chippy :D
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And the other end is looped over an open ended RHS box section bumper. Just as life threatening from that end as well.
Aired again tonight. How do you complain about this stupid, stupid behavior? >:D
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Silly Holden - people don't know enough about what is safe and what isn't for four wheel drive recoveries, let alone teaching them bad habits.
Aaron
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I agree 100%
Not even worth all the attention its gotten on the forum really.
There are alot more dangerous/scary things on the television than this 30 second advert where most viewers dont even notice/care where the chain is hooked...
Bill and Morag
as pointed out by a few here on the forum, for those of us in the bush regularly rather than watching TV, there are not many things more scary that using a towbar/ball in the wrong manner
It can be fatal
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Ok, maybe a dumb question, I reckon there is a fair potential for damage to either vehicles given the 'snatch' type recovery speed - but my understanding is that a chain won't recoil like a strap or winch wire. My theory is if anything failed it would fall to the ground fairly quickly without causing injury.....and, no I wasn't the driver ;D
Comments on chain breaking under load?
Tim
Chain will recoil, heres a good example - ok so maybe the chain is a little bigger, but its still chain
Cheating death! Chain snap (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK0HSBAcG8c#ws)
Could you imagine the news headline if one of the "actors" was killed filming the ad due to a flying chain ;D
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recently had a good mate lend his pristine 80 series to his daughters boyfriend to help himpull out the spotlighting hilux from a bog with a drag chain,the towball on the hilux being dragged backwards bent over and cracked and the chain whipped into the tailgate of the cruiser leaving around a metre of link indents in the skin.the young prick thought it was all a bit funny and expected my mate to pay for his muck-up.$650 dollars later and he wasnt so joyous when he handed over the cash.He still rejects he did it wrong??
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as pointed out by a few here on the forum, for those of us in the bush regularly rather than watching TV, there are not many things more scary that using a towbar/ball in the wrong manner
It can be fatal
Most of us on this forum spend a fair amount of time in the bush.
Its pretty much why we are members of a camper trailer forum.
That was not the point I was trying to make.
The point I was trying to make is, If people complained about every dangerous/scary thing on television then we would not have time to do anything else...
Bill and Morag
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Just a question would people use the recovery hitches rated at 4.75t as they slide in to the tow hitch.
Mark
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I saw the ad last night, so they still have it on. Looked dangerous to me.
Wayne
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Chain will recoil, heres a good example - ok so maybe the chain is a little bigger, but its still chain
That is impressive...in a perverse sort of way.... :angel:
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I saw the ad last night, so they still have it on. Looked dangerous to me.
I say again
What did people think would happen apart from them look at it as a positive that people are watching their commercials enough to comment on them...
??? ??? ??? ???
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I say again
What did people think would happen apart from them look at it as a positive that people are watching their commercials enough to comment on them...
??? ??? ??? ???
I Agree with Lost here. If you really want to have a negative impact on the advertisers, do not let them know you are watching and more so, do not buy the Colarado.
:cheers: Cracka
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C'mon Lost and Cracka, I believe it's more important they know their ad can lead "the unwashed" into unsafe practises.
It's all well and good to say "I don't care" but what happens if one of your friends or family gets hurt as a result of someone seeing this and copying the behaviour without knowing the dangers.
My philosophy is to point out to anyone, the error of their ways. If they choose to accept my advice then we will all be safer. Should they choose to ignore or put down my advice or opinion, they do so at their own but more importantly innocent bystanders risk. I sleep very well with a clear conscience and never worry "should I have helped them"?
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I Agree with Lost here. If you really want to have a negative impact on the advertisers, do not let them know you are watching and more so, do not buy the Colarado.
:cheers: Cracka
Thats why I bought a Workmate. lol
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After vwe have discussed the snatching of the rig , what else will OH &S climb into them for ???. Once again the TV shows us the " real " world , the truck is as clean as it didnt break traction in the mud . It must be the new dust/mud repelent paint used so nothing sticks . So how will you be able to tell the world you have been away if the rig is always clean , so sad :cheers:
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This is the tow ball / ring feeder combo on my work cruiser. I Regularly use a heavy chain on it to pull stuff around, I never use a snatching technique and always use it with the ring feeder locked down and the safety pin through the locking mechanism. It Is made to tow large trailers and such that have a ring as the hitch up point. ( it has an 8t load rating stamped on the side of it) When ever I pull something with it we ensure that the chain used is inspected and has a current tag on it of testing and compliance. And ensure that we use a Spotter and that no one is in the firing line, in saying that we never exceed the load rating of the chain or Any Bow shackles used. In 10 years we have never had an incident or failure.
I hope I haven't opened myself up to a bombardment.
Just my opinion
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I am curious to know what the rate of the pin is that holds the tow bar in the sleeve. I thought this would break first under pressure.
Mark
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Seriously, how would an ad agency know?
We only know because we are around them. I saw a ad with the bloke crossing his arms as he steered - how dumbs that!
You would think by now with litigation they would run ads past industry before release.
Please explain ???
Baz.
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The pin is a standard shape High tensile steel pin, it is larger in diameter to the one that holds the tow bar in the receiver on my Patrol by a few mm. I am in no way condoning bad behavior as this is a practice that I have to resort to at times to get it done and I take safety very seriously. All of the hazards are identified
Pryor to Making a pull. To show a chain wrapped around a tow ball in an ad may make some people in TV land think that this is normal which it is not.
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but my understanding is that a chain won't recoil like a strap or winch wire.;D
Comments on chain breaking under load?
Tim
Here is an example for you of what could happen.
Hubby was in a tractor (rather large) with an offset behind - he fixed a chain to the rear of his tractor and threaded the chain under/through the offset to a steel stay in the ground. He had the pressure on the chain and as he was pulling the stay out of the ground it (the stay) snapped.
The chain went back the way it come and went right under the tractor and ended up fully extended out from the rear of his tractor to out in front. He said he never did find the broken off steel stay that was attached to the end of the chain.
Peanut
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I understand the concerns here, but let's face it. The majority in a bog/stuck/tow situation will use a towball most of the time without having watched this ad. Why? Because they rarely find themselves in that kind of situation while driving 99.9% tar
For my $2...anyone who believes the ads they see deserve a towball traveling at 100mph to the head!
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someone did the maths with the energies involved - I wish I knew where - and to summarise, a 'typical' snatch, with a failed towball, resuts in a towball being launched at 340-ish KMH.. around 200mph to the head
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someone did the maths with the energies involved - I wish I knew where - and to summarise, a 'typical' snatch, with a failed towball, resuts in a towball being launched at 340-ish KMH.. around 200mph to the head
Even better! ;)
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ha ha yeah, I spend half my weekends trying to make things lighter and faster ;D
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looks like they will have recieved quite a few complaints over this ad
Hello Member Clubs,
Please find attached out press release regarding the Holden Colorado TV advertisement.
The Holden Australia TV advertisement shows unsafe recovery techniques, which includes the use Non Rated recovery points on both vehicles (tow ball on the Colorado and the metal bar on the truck) and minimum safe distance for on lookers/recovery team from the recovery (men standing to the side and in between the vehicles in question).
Four Wheel Drive Queensland and Four Wheel Drive Australia have both have written to Holden Australia about their unsafe recovery practices used in the advertisement.
I will keep you updated with the progress.
Thank you and have a nice day
Jenni Laing
Public Relations
Four Wheel Drive Queensland
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must admit i've not taken any notice of it until now.......... the ad that really annoys me at the moment is that Foxtel ad about not needing to commit.....the tattoo one is fine, but the wedding one really annoys me, i know it is meant as a joke but i find if offensive, not funny
but i guess i am becoming my father more and more each day ;D
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Hi,
reply from sending an email to local Holden dealer.
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Dear xxx
We refer to your recent email regarding the Colorado advertising campaign.We would like to take this opportunity to thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention.Holden values customer comments and feedback and appreciates the time you have taken to write to us.
While we devote considerable resources prior to the release of any advertisement or marketing campaign, we understand that occasionally there will be areas that are open to constructive comments.In response to feedback, the advertisement in question was modified immediately by Holden prior to national syndication, however, some regional and pay-tv stations may not have received these changes in time.
As a result the original version of the as may have screened in some instances over the weekend. We are currently working with media outlets to ensure all original versions of the advertisement are removed and replaced with the rectified advert.We are currently working with the national 4WD motoring body (4WD Australia) with the intention of ensuring that we depict a safe recovery of a stranded vehicle in any further advertisement.
Please be assured that Holden places a great deal of emphasis on the views and opinions held by our customers.
We are proud of our company's strong reputation within the Australian community and safety remains our highest priority in all that we do.
Please understand that our intentions are not meant to offend or make light of any safety issue and we wish to offer our sincere apologies.
Regards,
Kimberley Davies
Holden Customer Assistance Centre
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cheers
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Hubby just watched this advert and he said they have changed it. They have changed the tow scene.
Peanut
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If the chain snapped they will right , they had hard hats on;)
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Haven't changed itbon our network.
was on earlier this evening and the same hero advert.
Think I might buy a Colorado after seeing what it can do.
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It will be a slow process to replace it. They haven't broken any rules other than common sense in the ad. The ad will have been booked in on high rotation so they won't pull it and the booking fees. An edit will take awhile and then needs to be redistributed to the various stations.
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Saw this tonight, looks like they've digitally altered the tow ball into some sort of recovery point...
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You're right , I just saw it and although it is quick , it looks like a yellow tow hitch or something they've tried to make it into .
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haha,now it looks like a mini ski rope in flouro green/yellow.We won!!
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The updated ad I saw had a subtitle 'rated shackle and chain used for recovey'
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Yep, Seen the same message last night but you have to be quick to catch it. the writing is almost translusant.
Cheers, Chris
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Think I might buy a Colorado after seeing what it can do.
yep on road tyres too ;D
troy