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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: grizzly on May 31, 2012, 10:40:15 AM
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This will bring a myriad of emotive and varied responses , however here I go.
Barry O Farrell has sold out to the Fishers and Shooters Party and is going to allow private shooters access to the national parks in NSW to secure votes to sell off our power(end of political rant) What this means for the people who visit and the approximately 900 Field Staff and I am not sure how many Rangers is that every time we go into the reserves to work we not only need to worry about the many and various hazards of our work place but now have to watch and listen for the crack and whirl of shooters bullets, This not only affects the staff but every visitor to National Parks estates has to wonder who is out there and where are they and are you on the wrong end of that shooters gun,( truckie shot dead by stray bullet in southern Sydney a year ago) but hark I hear we are all responsible shooters we always hit our target, that is little comfort for the person or animals that could be behind that target as a high powered projectile is not concerned with stopping at its intended target it keeps going until its energy is spent and anything in its way is another victim, The NPWS staff that shoot have to go through an exhaustive process before they are allowed to shoot and it includes ensuring that there is no perceivable possibility that any off target species or people could be affected and if this is not possible they do not even get the gun out of the locker.They have to notify Police, neighbours, place signage close areas and search for members of the public before they start. At present in State Forests if you want to shoot and have access to the internet you can get approval to shoot in minutes on their estates ( so I am told by Union rep) I ask how many shooters go through the checks that NPWS staff above have to before pulling a trigger,
Now for those who have not seen how this relates to a forum about camper trailer users think about you your wife and kids getting up in the morning after travelling down your favourite track to that peacefull site in the National Park by the water cooking your breakfast and hearing one then two ,three high powered rifle shots not far from your camp. if this does not concern you than you are blessed with a less stressed system than me.
I will also have to reconsider sending Scouts on hikes through Parks as I can no longer reasonable consider NSW National Parks as a safe venue for this type of activity, We as staff cannot effectively police the estates we have now due to staffing, trying to stop other illegal activities is a dream and now it will not only be the proposed regulated shooters that we will see in these Parks but the rednecks who already do the wrong thing may think its open season.
I have read some other threads on this site from people who appear to be very responsible and experienced shooters and I respect their right to their sport. I have enjoyed the sport briefly on a family property shooting ferrals and roo's (before the new gun laws )and this is not intended as a swipe at you or your sport however we need to have areas free of these hazards and there are much more effective controls for feral animals if properly funded and these are happening and should be the preferred option in OUR National Parks.
( My sympathy goes to the family of the Truck driver killed by the stray bullet in Sydney and I only used that very sad incident as an example of the worst sort of outcome of stray bullets I sincerely hope no offence is taken by any friends or family of the man who may read this )
A very concerned
Grizzly
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Was that stray bullet in a national park? I remember a truckie getting one in southern sydney.
Hey... don't some streets in sydney have drive by shootings as a nightly event. You aren't safe in the city either.
I am not into hunting or shooting and would prefer not to worry about it but it's nice to see some access to national parks being given.
Don't worry, with the huge fees to enter a park, all the locked gates for the tracks and very restrictive camping there aren't too many visitors to get that stray bullet.
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... And shooting of feral species has been allowed in NSW state forests for the past several years and administered by a permit system, yet forests aren't knee deep in the bodies of bush walkers, 4wheel drivers and forest workers. Deer have been hunted in Vic National parks with no incidents that I have heard about.
As for Scouts in the bush, Ive been on hikes with scouts and any game animal within a grid square has cleared out because they are a bunch of rowdy little buggers!
I think you have more chance of being hit by a stray bullet in the city than you do in the bush.
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yeah Grizzly full respect to you for being involved in Scouting... but maybe you are being a little 'emotional' with this (as is often the case with guns/shooting). There is hunting/shooting going on elsewhere, all the time - you just don't see it on the news
I don't think a stray bullet will go far with trees around - a bit different to a Sydney street.
Subject to stringent management, I think hunting of ferals in NPs is a good idea - as almost every trek into NPs and other areas I do highlights, there is lots of feral/vermin animals out there
The real problem with this is, it's political - not plain and simple common sense for the benefit of all NP users
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must admit it concerns me but more for the noise than the chance of being hit by a stray bullet, but i'ld like to read more about how they plan on working it before jumping on any bandwagon on either side
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Probably through this organisation:
http://www.gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au/ (http://www.gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au/)
Conservation Hunting on Declared Public Land in NSW
Accredited and licensed hunters have begun to participate in feral animal control on public land areas declared for hunting under the Game and Feral Animal Control Act 2002.
Hunting on State forest declared for hunting is managed by controls identified in a risk assessment undertaken by Forests NSW in 2009. The risk assessment can viewed on the Department of Primary Industries Forests website at http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/forests/recreation/activities/i-want-to-go-hunting. (http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/forests/recreation/activities/i-want-to-go-hunting.)
Written permission + Restricted Licence = ACCESS
Only accredited, licensed hunters may apply for written permission to hunt certain species of introduced game and feral animals on certain State forests and Crown Lands, through a highly controlled booking system.
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sorry mate but i think ur being a bit paranoid .rangers are already shooting in some parks and theve been shooting in national parks in New Zealand for years to control feral animals .
i dont have a problem with it as long as its controlled as im sure it will be cause we all know how anal the NP,s are .
craig
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Grizzly
You make some good points. However it is naive to think that allowing registered, licenced and permitted shoots access to the park will make it unsafe. Currently we have a system where these people are locked out of the parks....full stop. What we do have at the moment is 1000's of shooters (licenced/unlicensed who knows) that are accessing the parks illegally to shoot and have been doing so forever. These people are aware of the risks and penalties associated with their behaviour and are therefore also a danger because of the steps they are willing to take to evade capture. They also cause $100,000's of dollars worth of damage to NP infrastructure such as gates and fences as they know major access roads are monitored with cameras.
At least this way there will be more eyes on the ground and those eyes will be very passionate about their sport and access rights. This may actually lead to less unauthorised and illegal shooters in the parks. I believe that prosecutions in Forests for illegal shooters have increased since they were opened to hunting. Most of the prosecutions have been a result of information supplied by licenced/permitted hunters (concerned about the actions of rogues affecting their future access).
The issue is highly emotive, however the notion that you will go into a NP and see people walking around everywhere with guns is just false.
Regards
Jas
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Fine just keep doing your unsuccessfull trapping and baiting that you have been doing for years.
It works in other countries with far more relaxed firearm laws than we have. After all it is not like they are going to allow Joe average with a firearm licence to just go shooting in a national park. I have a permit to shoot in a national park. I am not going into details as I do not take friends along and there are many on here who would love to come if they knew how and where. People are goiing to have to be assessed and trained.
Oh I am a scout leader too and one thing about scouts is they stand out like dogs goolies as do I when I hunt in national parks with my bright orange camo gear.
Good luck with your one man quest into something that I have been doing in western region for several years now.
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Fancy a politician changing his mind.
Not wild about this change either, but it looks like it will only be allowed in 79 of the States 799 parks and reserves.
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Anyway you look at it, it shows how piss poor our electoral system is... Minorities control this place..
It is a dangerous way to be.
To get something passed you have to pander to a weird minority...
It may not be bad this time, but one day some pack of real nutcases will hold the balance and we are all fawkt then.
In the meantime, (http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd234/cremo1/Smileys/popcorn.gif)(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd234/cremo1/Smileys/popcorn.gif)
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It may not be bad this time, but one day some pack of real nutcases will hold the balance and we are all fawkt then.
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They do (greenies) and we are.............................................................
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Grizzly,
It's not all National Parks I believe.
It's only a list of 80 from 800, so 10% of parks, not all of them as portrayed by the ass-hole media.
So, just limit your exposure to the other 720 if you are concerned.
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I saw a program about shooters shooting (der) goats in NP's out west in coordination with the park ranger. Seemed like a good outcome.
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I am comfortable allowing shooters into a national park as long as the fines for abusing the privilege are huge.
Camping and shooting and fishing are fun healthy pastimes , in a respondsable method, we should be encouraging it
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I agree with Grizzly and am concerned about it.
Other post have said that it happens in forests allready and yes it does, but there are big signs put up when its happening and permits are issued.
We stay well clear.
On the note about having more chance of being shot in the city - probably true since our pollies are so soft on crime.
Stick some freakin Viagra in the parliamentary chardonnay.............
BUT - I also know that while statistics may be low, I don't want me or my family to be one.
Remember that every now and then people win lotto too...............
Just because its a slim chance doesn't mean it wont happen.
Just ask my old mate Murphy :'( :'( :'(
Now I think this thread may turn south quite quickly as its politically orientated, but Grizzly's sharing his concerns and I support him for doing that, and support his thoughts because I agree.
I respect all other opinions, but ask for the same respect.
One thing I think we can all truly agree on, is that the people running this joint need to go walkabout for a while.
I hear Siberia is nice this time of year!!!!
Brian
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Please correct me if I am wrong... Hunters are not allowed into National Parks.... They are only allowed in NSW State Forests or particular Crown Land areas (this was the case when I loved in NSW and was able to shoot in the forest)... If you are that worried about venturing into these areas, become familiar with the game council website.... You might actually learn a thing or two or see it from a different point of view.
While there will most likely be illegal hunters in all types of forestry, I am sure we all want to get rid of these types of hunter as they tarnish every other hunter who does the right thing.
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I have legally hunted deer in national parks in the Victorian high country for many years,and in all the time I did,can honestly say that I never crossed paths with anyone that was'nt there to hunt deer.Once you remove the emotive boy scout thing,at the end of the day,it is usually the government utilising hunters to control an animal that they don't want in their park.Who else is going to do it for what a recreational hunter will?
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... And shooting of feral species has been allowed in NSW state forests for the past several years and administered by a permit system, yet forests aren't knee deep in the bodies of bush walkers, 4wheel drivers and forest workers. Deer have been hunted in Vic National parks with no incidents that I have heard about.
As for Scouts in the bush, Ive been on hikes with scouts and any game animal within a grid square has cleared out because they are a bunch of rowdy little buggers!
I think you have more chance of being hit by a stray bullet in the city than you do in the bush.
X2
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I have more of a problem with the way they sold out to the shooters.....just so they could then sell off more of our infrastructure.....
They have the hide to stop me collecting firewood and having a campfire.......yet they're gonna let gunners in to shoot koalas !!!!!!!
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hunt with a bow..... you dont have the worry of a bullet going miles
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I have more of a problem with the way they sold out to the shooters.....just so they could then sell off more of our infrastructure.....
They have the hide to stop me collecting firewood and having a campfire.......yet they're gonna let gunners in to shoot koalas !!!!!!!
Noooo.. the intention is to let in hunters in to shoot feral/introduced vermin such as pigs and foxes
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Oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo the yanks have herd that Koala's are now in our sights...................................
Not a bad looking receipe actually......... >:D
http://knoxville.wate.com/sound_off/index.php?topic=344.0 (http://knoxville.wate.com/sound_off/index.php?topic=344.0)
Sorry couldn't help myself. Wont happen again.
Regards
Jas
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I agree with Gronk.
The bastards are going to sell off more of our assets.
Governments of both political persuasions are addicted to our $$$$$..... a pox on both their houses.....
What they get from the sale of the electricity generators will be just wasted and they will need to increase taxes to cover the profit they used to get from producing and selling electricity. ??? ??? ???
As for the hunting in National Parks...
If they can get rid of the cats, pigs and goats they have got my support.
Perhaps they may need to open up a few of the closed tracks to improve access ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cheers
Parry
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Swaggers
There are some really good thoughts in the replies and as with all topics like this it is very emotive. I have to agree with some of the comments regarding my need to be a bit less emotive,(its my health and safety. I am happy to win lottery, not to be the one in 24 million of being by kill ) and it is wise to wait to see what is in the fine print, a point that seems to be missed by a few is the amount of checks and balances that are required by Parks to shoot, they should also apply to others if this goes ahead in some form ,that will sort out the chaff from the hay.
As for the "ineffective trapping" This is an area that I have seen work very effectively, for example where an entire family of 12 pigs where trapped and shot over a week ,and if they had tried to just shoot the pigs they would at best only got a couple and the rest would have taken off( this area was also close to a camping area so it was very closely controlled in regard to Park users something I doubt could be done by recreational shooters) , it is a case of being flexible enough to use the best tool for the job not a one size fits all approach, There are program's where shooting I believe is being used very effectively out west and this is a great example of right tool for the job. The other thing that has been reported is people introducing these feral animals into areas so they can hunt close to home. and this may not be a common practice but very believable.
With only about 80 parks being identified for this you would expect that Parks without walking tracks and controls such a seasonal and distance from boundaries etc.
The one thing that we have to keep in mind also is that the possibility of ever totally removing these feral species by any current methods is not realistic however with a national consistent approach we may control them using a combination of methods.
By the way Bow hunting would be a preferred method in my view ( which counts for jack all in the real world) as a tool in the box :cheers:
On the political comments, I never feel comfort when we are governed by minorities or so called mandates, it all went down hill when the Democrates imploded, we need someone to keep the bastards honest. :-[ ???
Grizzly :cheers:
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On the political comments, I never feel comfort when we are governed by minorities or so called mandates, it all went down hill when the Democrates imploded, we need someone to keep the bastards honest. :-[ ???
Grizzly :cheers:
That will never happen :(
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Hey Chesapeake, does your forum name come from Chesapeake Bay in New York or from the dog breed, best bloody gun dog I have ever had was a Chesa, geez they are tough, brillant on ducks not so good on Koalas though :cup:. if your into Chesa's then you would know my brother John for sure
sorry to hijack, interesting reading, seems quite a few dont seem know that we have been there for years just a bit hard to spot I guess
macca
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Right decision, wrong reason.
You'd think our native wildlife and livestock were just expendable commodities the way politicians, the media and the usual suspects treat them... :(
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Right decision, wrong reason.
You'd think our native wildlife and livestock were just expendable commodities the way politicians, the media and the usual suspects treat them... :(
Mate you are right. And they are expenable commodities, the greens have been trading on them for years, look at all the extra marine parks etc in place now. The tide looks like it has turned and we are back to a shade of brown in Government. Just saw on the news an extra 200 speed cameras comming in for NSW, another backflip after the big song and dance about removing 26 or something when they came to power.
They all appear to have great intentions before they come to power and they realise that the rules of the game are not what they thought and that they are only a puppet with the party pulling the strings.
Regards
Jas
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hunt with a bow..... you dont have the worry of a bullet going miles
thats also on the agenda, unsupervised children as young as 12 allowed to hunt with bows n arrows, coming soon to a park/forest near you.
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that's also on the agenda, unsupervised children as young as 12 allowed to hunt with bows n arrows, coming soon to a park/forest near you.
They are also pushing to (Fish) hunt Carp with a bow and arrow. Imagine sitting on the side of a stream and some pecker shoots an arrow that ricochet's of a rock on the river bed and ends up in the side of someones head...................Nice. They have put a lot of thought into that one. Also it will be Carp only but who can positively identify a fish in dirty water from any distance??
It doesn't make much sense to me as its illegal to shoot a fire arm at or in water because of the dangers but it appears acceptable for a bow.
I enjoy recreational hunting (Gun and bow) but there has to be some commonsense.
Regards
Jas
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There's a greater statistical probability that you will be killed in a vehicle accident on the way to the National Park than being shot by a hunter in that National Park your heading to.
Likewise there's a far greater statistical probability you'll win lotto before you'll be shot in a National Park.
So I fail to see why being in a National Park where hunters may or may not be would generate such a strong reaction when there is a lot more risk simply driving to the National Park in the first place.
??? ??? ???
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a point that seems to be missed by a few is the amount of checks and balances that are required by Parks to shoot, they should also apply to others if this goes ahead in some form ,that will sort out the chaff from the hay.
I deeply hope this is the way it goes. Otherwise I have done a lot of training for nothing. I never missed that point by the way. I am hoping it is a selection process which includes an actual target test like I had to do. 100 shots 100 hits from 50 meters to 200 meters and 100% stike rate with a shot gun from a moving object.
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They are also pushing to (Fish) hunt Carp with a bow and arrow. Imagine sitting on the side of a stream and some pecker shoots an arrow that ricochet's of a rock on the river bed and ends up in the side of someones head...................Nice. They have put a lot of thought into that one. Also it will be Carp only but who can positively identify a fish in dirty water from any distance??
It doesn't make much sense to me as its illegal to shoot a fire arm at or in water because of the dangers but it appears acceptable for a bow.
Bow fishing arrows cost around $20-$50 each, so we don't go shooting them off willy-nilly. They are also quite heavy so they carry the energy through the water, but will rapidly fall out of the sky as although they have kinetic energy, the velocity is quite low.
The main reason you won't get hit with a stray shaft is because they are attached to a bow mounted fishing reel with heavy line so you don't lose the arrow or the fish. Carp are quite easy to spot, they have large scales and often come to the surface.
You have all been made paranoid by the media.
If you educated yourselves and got over the emotive side of the argument, you would find that the chances of accidental death by shooting are extremely low (most gun deaths are suicide), even homicide using a firearm is low compared to other methods, but we aren't locking up the kitchen knives? http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/261-280/tandi269/view%20paper.aspx (http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/261-280/tandi269/view%20paper.aspx)
Driving to your favorite camping spot it fraught with risk, but we do it every day so what is the problem http://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/2012/files/RDA_Summary_2011.pdf. (http://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/2012/files/RDA_Summary_2011.pdf.) You have more of a 100 times more chance of pegging out due to catching a cold.
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The bastards are going to sell off more of our assets.
Governments of both political persuasions are addicted to our $$$$$..... a pox on both their houses.....
What they get from the sale of the electricity generators will be just wasted and they will need to increase taxes to cover the profit they used to get from producing and selling electricity. ??? ??? ???
Cheers
Parry
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I've never understood what it is about political parties that makes them think it's okay to sell off our assets. Did they actually state this when they were vying for office? Mind you, in the case of the Libs they didn't need to say much at all to roll the useless Labor mob. As they say 'you get the Government you deserve'.
But just thinking about it, past generations (our Mothers & Fathers, Grandparents & Great Grandparents) paid for these assets and now here we are with many more people paying taxes and yet we still can't manage to retain, maintain & run things as a service to NSW residents? I don't get that at all!
If the asset is so damn bad & unprofitable, then how is it that it will be purchased by private enterprise? The people will more than likely see little for the sale and feel it in their hip pocket soon enough when the new owners start charging what they can as a profit to their shareholders. The world has gone nuts!
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The world has gone nuts!
Amen to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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They are also pushing to (Fish) hunt Carp with a bow and arrow. Imagine sitting on the side of a stream and some pecker shoots an arrow that ricochet's of a rock on the river bed and ends up in the side of someones head...................Nice. They have put a lot of thought into that one. Also it will be Carp only but who can positively identify a fish in dirty water from any distance??
Wrong, i shoot carp with my bow every week, I am not a pecker, I can identify the pest easily, and the heavy fiberglass arrows don't travel far
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Not in NSW I hope! :police:
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Hey Chesapeake, does your forum name come from Chesapeake Bay in New York or from the dog breed, best bloody gun dog I have ever had was a Chesa, geez they are tough, brillant on ducks not so good on Koalas though :cup:. if your into Chesa's then you would know my brother John for sure
sorry to hijack, interesting reading, seems quite a few dont seem know that we have been there for years just a bit hard to spot I guess
macca
Yep Macca,Comes from the dog breed,and John has used my dog over his bitch.Small world
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Yep Macca,Comes from the dog breed,and John has used my dog over his bitch.Small world
Going up to his place tomorrow to work on my ski boat I'll say gday, tis a small world
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bit of an update, the laws were passed through parliament last night, green light for shooters, cant wait for the stray bullets to whistle past camp.
http://www.news.com.au/national/laws-pass-to-allow-hunting-in-nsw-national-parks/story-e6frfkvr-1226404781447#ixzz1yQWBkYPe (http://www.news.com.au/national/laws-pass-to-allow-hunting-in-nsw-national-parks/story-e6frfkvr-1226404781447#ixzz1yQWBkYPe)
something to think about,
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4268336/Hunter-thought-woman-was-an-animal (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4268336/Hunter-thought-woman-was-an-animal)
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I didnt bother to read all the posts.
But I hunt, and I support the idea.
Its about time.
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Grizzly et al,
As both a land owner that borders a NP and a recreational hunter I will be up front and say that I support the idea of shooting in NPs. I understand that this is an emotional issue and why some people have concerns but given the benefits I see no reason to be against this. I am also a scout leader and have 2 girls in scouts right now.
As an example, I have a culling licence for the plague of Kangaroos that inhabit "my land". If they jump my fence then they are not a plague any more but a protected species that just happens to eat all my pasture improved fodder. (now I understand some people don't support a cull either but we can argue that another time.)
The multitude of (very smart) pigs, deer, goats etc that no longer inhabit my land but wander down to eat my nice feed are also protected once they cross the fence despite being introduced ferals.
Lambing season is a constant patrol of shooting foxes, feral cats and dogs to stop huge stock loss. I know I have some foxes (and maybe cats) but the majority are in the NP.
I have seen the replies that suggest that controlled trapping and shooting is that answer but I guarantee from personal experience they barely touch the remote areas and don't dent the surface of the feral problem. The damage these animals do to the environment is incredible. I have seen new growth areas decimated by deer and goats and creek lines and water courses turned into bogs by pigs. To save this from happening is reason enough for me to support it let alone my own financial benefits of more productive farming. The displacement of native animals and impact of predators I cannot vouch for personally but believe the old guys who say that there aren't as many small natives any more.
As to controls; to shoot in a State Forest you must apply for specific permits from the game council (as per previous posts). I would suggest that NPs will have similar controls and they will be restricted to feral animals. They are also discussing animal recognition courses as per Victoria which I fully support. As a hunter I will also state that if there are people around; the target species is generally not. You usually have to track pretty hard and away from the "recreational noises" to get anywhere.
Either way it has happened now and we need to make sure that nobody is unduly impacted by these new rules. I guess we won't know until it has been in place for a while.
Ross
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I agree grizzly with what you say, I posted about the same subject soon as it was past and got the same replies ie- shooters don't mis and its only 10% of NP. after weeks of talking to peoplethat shoot they have no idea about being permited and said it's open slather in NP's as far as their concerned and they are (RICH respected people in the community) NOT campers also say it been along time coming. Not mention the cost to the public of the sale of the Elec. generators!!!! you wait in 5yrs bills will be 500% more - if not taxes must rise to cover the lost income.
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Thanks RosLed for a balanced view. Farmers are too often forgotten in the battle to produce the stuff that keeps most of us from having to hunt and gather food like "hooman beans" in the past.
Too much - ;D >:( ??? >:D :D Hunting is always going to get emotions warmed up.
Keep yours shirts on and I suspect that unless you are there to hunt, you won't even notice hunters in "your" NP's.
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if you look on ivew look up landline theydid a show a while back on this subjut but in Vic with goats , i was againest it until i saw the show and how much damage the goats do and it show there results for the best , now i have changed my view
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Farmers are too often forgotten in the battle to produce the stuff that keeps most of us from having to hunt and gather food like "hooman beans" in the past.
If you want a balanced view farming has changed exponentially in the last 50 years and your comments no longer ring true. Farmers farm and produce whatever pays the best. Could be Lucine, hay, crops for bio fuel, cotton etc etc. This long held notion that they are feeding the nation for the good of all is crap.
$$$ make the world go round and this is how it should be, they struggle to scratch a living and business is business.
I know some people with 3000 acres that borders the Kosciusko National Park. There is no doubting that despite the best efforts of of the NPWS, the park is a breeding ground for feral species. However the NPWS does spend a considerable amount of money trapping and baiting along his boundaries. It will be intersting to see how these changes are managed.
OK ducking for cover now.
Regards
Jas
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A great day for our NPs. Hopefully disciplined and responsible hunters will assist in measurably reducing the incredible damage done by pest and feral species such as goats, pigs, dogs, cats and foxes
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A great day for our NPs. Hopefully disciplined and responsible hunters will assist in measurably reducing the incredible damage done by pest and feral species such as goats, pigs, dogs, cats and foxes
All nice and good, but if you look at the stats.....hunting in state parks netted approx 1% of the feral population....as opposed to a kill rate of 50% needed to have any significant impact on numbers..
In reality....hunting in parks ( state and nat ) will have little impact on numbers of ferals.....in other words...the pollies have got the support of the shooters, knowing that they will kill bugger all ferals.....but on the other hand, have got a lot of people up in arms over a few trigger happy shooters roaming around taking pot shots at fresh air !!
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All nice and good, but if you look at the stats.....hunting in state parks netted approx 1% of the feral population....as opposed to a kill rate of 50% needed to have any significant impact on numbers..
In reality....hunting in parks ( state and nat ) will have little impact on numbers of ferals.....in other words...the pollies have got the support of the shooters, knowing that they will kill bugger all ferals.....but on the other hand, have got a lot of people up in arms over a few trigger happy shooters roaming around taking pot shots at fresh air !!
Don't for get the main reason of this "to pave the way to sell off our power assets". It sgot nothing to do with shooters or ferral animals in reality and you are kidding yourself if oyu think otherwise.
Regards
jas
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Don't for get the main reason of this "to pave the way to sell off our power assets". It sgot nothing to do with shooters or ferral animals in reality and you are kidding yourself if oyu think otherwise.
Regards
jas
Exactly.....!!
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OK ducking for cover now.
Regards
Jas
Why?? the chances of getting hit by a stray bullet are apperently almost zero!!!
I dont have a hassle with people being allowed to shoot feral animals in the national parks in general. Except that our house backs onto a national park (not that it is on the list of the 80 or so parks), therfore I'm not totally convinced i want people shooting in the bush behind our place!
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Why?? the chances of getting hit by a stray bullet are apperently almost zero!!!
I dont have a hassle with people being allowed to shoot feral animals in the national parks in general. Except that our house backs onto a national park (not that it is on the list of the 80 or so parks), therfore I'm not totally convinced i want people shooting in the bush behind our place!
Don't disagree with that! ( I was ducking for cover from irrate farmers, not bullets 8) )
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It only gets better :'(
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-26/shooters-aim-for-more-hunting-in-national-parks/4092700 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-26/shooters-aim-for-more-hunting-in-national-parks/4092700)
We shall see what happens.
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like ^
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this is whayt happens when yo give somone so much power
now iam running and hideing
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Just saw the NT news tonight...seems safer in the National Parks with a firearm than being in the NT at the moment.... :police: