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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: jk on March 23, 2012, 07:11:14 PM
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After 16 + years of happy and trouble free 4x4ing in our 62 series I've found myself at the cross roads. After a 40min @r$e raping from a smiling member of the Qld Traffic Branch >:( I find myself not wanting to comply to his childish demands but would rather move on to a new project,.........so I need to enter the used car market again ( it's been a while ).
SSOOO.............being a Toyota man for the last 18 years I'm inclined to stay with the proven product ( besides I've hung so much crap on Nissan owners over that time I can't possable eat that many words :-[ ). I like the 80 series Cruisers but if I'm going to upgrade I feel the need to skip at least one model, that brings me to the 100/105 series, I want to stay with the live front end and coil springs as I've been known to play a little bit on the odd occasion ;D so I think the live front end would suite my driving style better.
I would appreciate any and all feedback from owners of the above mentioned Cruiser models, diesel or petrol, auto or manual, it will all help in our final decision.
All Nissan drivers...................control yourself and play nice ;D ;D ;D
Cheers
John K
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Very sad. I like the look of your 62.
Seems like a great unit to me. The ideal thing......
What were his demands?
Is there no way you can hang on to it?
I understand your need to stay with Toyota.
For the same reason, I can NEVER own a Holden ......... ;D
Cheers,
Geoff
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I'm sitting here in shock, I would never have even considered the idea that you would part with that beast....
Surely there is another way!
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I owned a 60 series with a front Lockrite locker ( not sure if the brand is around anymore), LPG gas conversion with preflash lubricator system ( very cheap to run), 235 85R 16's Dunlop Adventurers, and all the usual ARB gear that most 4 wheelers would drain their weekly pay into, until the wife threatens you with divorce. Loved the old FJ 60 and had seen many miles clock up on traveling around Aussie. I had the model with the barn doors
Always had a sentimental soft spot for them, and got my use out of the ole girl before I sold it on.
The Landcruiser 60 series was a great 4x4
Campfire
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(http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae110/shootnrun_photos/Misc/disgust.jpg)
NO WAY ! SAY IT ISN'T SO !
This is an awesome unit , and one of my favourites .....
Let's start a " Save JK's 62 " campaign ......
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NOOOOOOO
You sure about this ??? ???
But if you have to upgrade I am very happy with my 105 series cruiser being auto and petrol. It great slowly modifying it.
Mark
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Jk, you realise, nothing will top the Red Beast!!! :'( You will never drive Beer OÇlock hill again. :'( Is there any way to keep the old girl?? :-\
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JK, having had both live axle and IFS 100s, and also known to "have a go" I can categorically say that the IFS and 5 speed auto combination is superior to the live axle with 4 speed auto or any manual box.
They're both great, but for ease of driving the newer truck is just nicer. Goes all the same places, or not, if you've seen pictures of me stuck everywhere.
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Well this is a very sad day ......... I know you have toyed with the idea but never thought you would actually pull the trigger. What ever you go with it's going to need some work to even come close to what you have now.
80 Series ..... old, good suspension options, a few good diesel engine choices, good ones are pricey.
105 Series ...... newer, known issues with both independent and live front axle models, live axle only comes standard with N/A 1HZ, good suspension options.
I am in the same boat with replacing my 80 when the time comes ....... 200 series not so sure.
yogi
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known issues with both independent and live front axle models
You don't hear much on this any more.
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BigJules .... you know best as allways and there appears to be several different fixes available for this issue now (JK if you buy one you will need these options fitted ASAP 8)) The diff issue I speak of in the 105 live axle is the fact that it's a high mount pinion and they tend to flex .... even worse in revers .... several mates have busted these !!!! We might just be rough on gear though ;D
yogi
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Yeah, the problem is that I've been spoilt with the sheer pulling power of the 6.5 but I'd like a better ride quality, most of the 100/105 cruisers are petrol/autos which I could possable get use to but would rather the multi valve turbo diesel ( I seen in person how well yogi's rig hauls arse :cup: ), that said I'm not getting any younger so the need to climb that which cannot be climbed is not as great as it was a few years ago.
I think I could live quite comfortably with a IFS front end once I tweak it a bit and then I can also have the much better 1HD-FTE, the search for the right one may take a little while ( mainly because I'm a bit of a fussy bugger ) but I'm sure my new 4x4 is out there.
As a side note the gentleman in the blue uniform didn't like, No1 ..........body blocks
No2 ..........my front seats, with genuine Toyota mounts
No3 ..........my HID high beam only lights
No4 ..........35 x 12.5 x 15 KM2's
No5 ..........improved front drakes, even though there genuine Toyota items
No6 ..........the fact that I was so polite and kept agreeing with him ;D
No7 ..........that 12 Qld Transport Officers had no issues with any of the above when we were pulled up in a random roadside inspection
Will keep you all posted :cheers:
Cheers
jk
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If you could find one at the right price an IFS 1HD-FTE would also be my choice if I was going from a 62 Series. (Auto is the only killer for me :'() You will not believe the ride quality off road with the right shocks and springs ..... especially compared to anything leaf sprung ...... lol
Should be able to get the body blocks approved easily enough I did on mine .... as long as there only 50mm or below ?
yogi
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As a side note the gentleman in the blue uniform didn't like, No1 ..........body blocks
No2 ..........my front seats, with genuine Toyota mounts
No3 ..........my HID high beam only lights
No4 ..........35 x 12.5 x 15 KM2's
No5 ..........improved front drakes, even though there genuine Toyota items
No6 ..........the fact that I was so polite and kept agreeing with him ;D
No7 ..........that 12 Qld Transport Officers had no issues with any of the above when we were pulled up in a random roadside inspection
No 1 and 4 you could just change before you put it over the pits.
No 2 and 5 should be fine - or do you need to blue plate those?
No 3 - is this only for the spotties? Or did you convert the high beams as well?
Surely you can just get it seen by a 'suitable' inspection station and put it to rest?
I'm sure you were more diplomatic than I would have been with No 6.
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Sad day to see the 62 go JK. I have the 105 4.5 petrol auto and am very happy with it. The fuel economy is not the greatest, but plenty of grunt and easy to drive. The front diff is a known issue, but I have not had a problem with mine. Dad has a 1hz in his 105 and it is sluggish to say the least, but known reliability, his has covered near 400k with plenty of hard work and never had an issue with the diff either.
For price you cannot go past the 4.5 petrol auto and you will be well in front for $ to pay for the extra fuel they use.
:cheers: Cracka
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Couldn't believe what I was reading when I saw this thread. :o
I can't offer any advice with regard to a suitable Toyota replacement, but do think the IFS stigma is fast fading, with the newer round of models now proving some of the myths/beliefs wrong.
I do believe that the 1HZ motor will leave you wanting, and even if turbocharged will cause its own set of problems.
It's a tough situation to be in mate, and I don't envy the choices you are faced with.
Good Luck with your decision. The 62 would be a hard act to follow.
I have shown many people the video of you climbing "Beer o'clock Hill" and all have been pretty impressed.
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You may need a complete change in scenary .... maybe something like...i don't know....an Audit.
Could always drop the chev in it.....
Seriously though is it worth getting temporary fixes and put it over the pits or are you ready for a sea change???
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I think it's change time,...................as tempting as a chev powered Audi might be I might go for something a little more conventional this time :angel: . Knowing me I'll have the new one for another 16 years ;D
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I am looking at the pics from the Cape with the mighty red cruiser and shedding a tear :'(
Sorry did I say that out a loud.
Mark
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Stop it Mark..............your not helping :'(
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Sorry mate ... Good luck with your decision ;D
Mark
(sobbing quietly )
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When i was stationed out at Mitchell a few weeks ago i had a new Pajero diesel auto. Now i hate pajeros, autos and diesels so i wasnt keen but i tell you what, after having that thing for a week i'm in love... i even thought about trading in the jeep for one...
cheers
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When i was stationed out at Mitchell a few weeks ago i had a new Pajero diesel auto. Now i hate pajeros, autos and diesels so i wasnt keen but i tell you what, after having that thing for a week i'm in love... i even thought about trading in the jeep for one...
cheers
I hear you, but they are just so god awful ugly.
Cheers
Parry
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Sorry to hear JK of your misfortune with the men in blue but all I can say is buy a prado mate it's got the right badge on the front ;D good luck in your shopping
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i do recommend the 1hd-fte ifs 100 series, but i may be biased.
cheers
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jeez, what did the cop say to you?
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:-[ I know I've got a patrol but I've got an oldish 75 ute as well, seems like it's an attack on older makes.... I know they've pulled me over to discuss the ute before, getting on in years now was a comment, but the cab had just been resprayed so.....
JK just thinking that monster of a CT might pull up a smaller wagon, (prado/paj) aren't they about 1.7/1.8t ish. Think I'd go 100 series, least it has a bigger donk to start with, otherwise I'd look for a TD6 4.2 GU, both probably would do the job, stuff the joking it's what works, just the GU's are getting on in years too.
How much stuff can you swap from the 62 to a newer cruiser, maybe that will help decide what model.
Best of luck, Paul
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GeeTee.................he said a lot.............but all I heard was blah blah blah ;D ,
Paul and Bren.........the Cape York Camper is 1.5t fully loaded, but I'm a firm believer in having too much power and not too little >:D . This looking process is set to take quite a while me thinks ;D .
I can't believe the prices that some of the 100 series are holding, saw an 06 for $66000,.........boy Toyota's sure do hold their value.
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I can't believe the prices that some of the 100 series are holding, saw an 06 for $66000,.........boy Toyota's sure do hold their value.
yea but I've seen 2.8 GQ's for $25,000.... some people think cause it cost them $xxxxxx 30yrs ago, its still worth that amount..
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I have seen 200 series with less k's and cheaper than some 100 series .......... lol
yogi
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JK,
And there i was thinking you were drunk when you called me, i got off the phone and said to lara "that was JK he's selling the crusier" to which she said "yeah right" as she walked off.
I am stunned too but when it's time it's time,
If the time was now for me I would find it hard to go past a YES WAIT FOR IT ..a 4.8 GU. for my mind these are one of the most underated vehicals for sale in Aust. unfortunatley they have stopped production ,but good 2nd hand ones are on offer.
4.5 100series is next best IMHO , UNLESS you have the 50-60K 2nd hand then a 4.2 factory T/D 100 would be my pick. good luck mate .
Jet :D :D :D
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Not that familiar with QLD regs, but how hard would it be to get the 62 engineered / certified John?? Other than that, I hear Ssangyong are making some nice cars these days. :cheers:
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Don't do it mate, just swap the stuff over get it sorted then swap it back! You know you can't sell the old girl!
Whatever you buy you will be disappointed, only due to the fact it would take you years and a lot of money to get back half of what you had.
Put the call out to the myswag family for a working bee at your house to get it all swapped over, it'll be a blast and make the job smaller for you.
Daz
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I'd be in that Daz, good idea :cup: :cheers:
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I can't believe the prices that some of the 100 series are holding, saw an 06 for $66000,.........boy Toyota's sure do hold their value.
What do you reckon yours would be worth to someone.......I saw a very nice white 62 today and **** it looked good, it made me think of yours and this thread. My solicitor mate, who is 70 and going strong, drives a pimping 4.2(Nissan) <Edit> not sure what year......but pretty old and he wouldn't sell it for love or money. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I reckon yours would look pretty good to some...................
Cheers Nomad.
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I love those early beasts!!!!! DO NOT GET RID OF IT
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We too owned a 60 series Cruiser (88 model) diesel, GXL, etc etc. We have missed her many many times since we sold her. We have at times thought about buying another and doing upgrades, etc, but decided that the technology is old now and as much as we missed our old girl, we want the more current technology.
Good luck with finding a replacement that you will be just as happy with.
Cheers
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Rang a guy today ( waiting for him to get back to me ) about certifying the body blocks, but there's no point changing the tyres and then changing them back because, for one, I wasn't given a green slip forcing me to present the vehicle to the Transport Inspectors ( was just told to down size ), and two, this clown is local, so the chances of us crossing paths again are fairly high. If he catches me a second time he has already stated I'm up for $300 in fines and a court appearance ( and was told if that happens expect the judge to use a "big stick" >:( ).
The stupid thing is that he told me 33in tyre are still illegal at the moment ( until the Australia wide modification laws come into affect ) but he lets them go because once the laws change they will be legal, so he turns a blind eye to one illegal tyre size but enforces the other ??? ................go figure.
If I get the body blocks passed then I'll be putting the old girl up for sale, as I said earlier this selling and buying process may take a while.
Thanks Daz & Bullfrog for the kind offer but it would all be in vain unfortunately :'( . Becides I couldn't keep the beer up to your pair if I tried :cheers: ;D
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:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( quietly in the corner
Mark
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You crack me up Mr Mc you really do :cheers: ;D :cheers: ;D
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Thanks Daz & Bullfrog for the king offer but it would all be in vain unfortunately :'( . Becides I couldn't keep the beer up to your pair if I tried :cheers: ;D
Don't worry about the beer mate, I will take care of that!
I just can't see you driving around in a newer fourby.
Daz
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just spotted this http://www.lcool.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21623 (http://www.lcool.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21623)
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just spotted this http://www.lcool.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21623 (http://www.lcool.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21623)
Can't see that site if your not a member.
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this clown is local, so the chances of us crossing paths again are fairly high. If he catches me a second time he has already stated I'm up for $300 in fines and a court appearance ( and was told if that happens expect the judge to use a "big stick" >:( ).
Would it be quicker and easier to have the copper changed to suit your needs???? ;D :D ;D
:cheers: Cracka
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Like Daz said mate,it's not the grog. It's about giving a bloke a hand, offer is still good anytime John. :cheers:
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Like Daz said mate,it's not the grog. It's about giving a bloke a hand, offer is still good anytime John. :cheers:
"Thanks Daz & Bullfrog for the kind offer but it would all be in vain unfortunately :'( . Becides I couldn't keep the beer up to your pair if I tried :cheers: ;D "
Bevan....your skills at Alcohol consumption is known extensively by the sound of it :cup:
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Sometimes even I will put my stubbie down to help a mate. Good blokes are hard to find these days, got to look after those we do find. Thankfully, the Swag seems to be a collection point for 'em. :cheers:
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What about a nice clean 100 IFS with the 2UZ V8. My boss has one, with pacemaker headers and 3" system it sounds horn and has the ponies to match the noise. the 5 speed auto is so nice to drive, just smooth and effortless. Smart auto too so it down changes when you give the picks a good stab. We both bought 100's within a few weeks of each other, mine is a TD GXL 01 with the old, but reliable, 4 speed auto 220kms, his is a Sahara 03 with 165kms and the 5 speed auto. We both paid 35k for them. mine was in better nick inside and out but only just but he got a lot more standard fruit with the Sahara. He's since added LPG and this has brought his economy to pretty close to the diesel on cost/litre. That said....he drives it like it is stolen.
I bought the TD because that what suits my needs for long term touring while towing but the V8 with LPG is getting mighty close to being able to do the same remote touring. Maybe the towing part would let it down if you were grey nomads but for a daily that can tour, I'd pick the V8 simply due to how good it is... and that awesome rumble with a good exhaust.
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I had to drop off some fleet mine vehicles today for Toyota servicings , got to use the trip as an excuse to look at the new FJ series Landcruisers, some nice paint jobs out there.
Is it just me or does ugly become nice/ desirable the more you look at them.
I can see the retro influence in the new design and I liked the old landcruisers. I see them as kind of ugly yet I want/ desire one.
Landcruiser is Landcruiser end of story ( I want one).
Campfire
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Is it just me or does ugly become nice/ desirable the more you look at them.
Yeah, know what you mean....I have the same feeling about Angelina Jolie......but I'd kick her out of bed for a new FJ.
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Is it just me or does ugly become nice/ desirable the more you look at them.
Campfire
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My opinion the newer shapes in cars grow on you over time. When Toyota released the 80 series I didn't like them, to curvy and soft looking was my opinion, same with the 100 series. Now I really like both shapes, same goes with most of the utes, the Ssangyong somehow I don't ever think that will ever grow on me. ;D ;D ;D
The FJ cruiser I have liked from the first time I saw one, I don't think I'd own one (except for the wife), but I do like them ( coming from a bloke who drove a 3 door Suzuki Cino with pink and purple stripes and frangipani seat covers for 6 months, Cheap car and used almost no fuel).
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Johnno, just found this posting and it came as a shock. Good luck with your choice. If you want to drive our Prado with your camper on the back as a comparison let us know. I know it won't come close to your 62 but we find it goes well. :cheers:
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Thanks Chris, will keep it in mind,
Cheers :cheers:
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( coming from a bloke who drove a 3 door Suzuki Cino with pink and purple stripes and frangipani seat covers for 6 months, Cheap car and used almost no fuel).
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LOL ..................... That's pink, Opps I mean Gold ;D :cup:
P.S. Does ARB sell Landcruiser approved Frangipani Stickers.
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I have had my 1991 HDJ80 since 2000 done me well and don't plan to get rid of it.. It will be pulling our CT for many years to come and will be turning 300,000kms old this trip in a couple weeks to Fraser Island what a nice place to celebrate her coming of age.....
Personally I have heard from a few 100 and 200 series Owners wishing they had never parted company from their Old 80 series, as I said I am not planning on doing that....
But hey I have never been in either and don't want to be either as I may just be tempted :)
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To see J.K turn up in a different car just will not be the same!!
Its like superman without his cape, a picnic without ants, a creek without water, a pub with no beer ...gee better stop
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Mark
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Have a look at the 105, suits our needs with now three kids. We had 60's series too, whilst I will always have a spot for them time to move forward. Our 2000 105 had the 1HZ and the previous owners had put a Denco turbo on. Definitely helped it, however we started to have problems with it. Anyway long story short it now has the 1Hdfte that I pulled out of a wreck, and had to also rebuild. However it least it's all good now, best of both worlds, but less than the price of an independent one. It's the manual version, however if the 5spd auto was avail, I would have been happy with it to.
Cheers
John M.
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Hi JK,
Sorry to here the news. Shame I have already purchased a 4by to replace my old one or I would have been in like Flyn.
All the best with the sale if you do go that way.
Cheers, Chris
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JK
Being a 105 series driver with everything on it, the 1HZ is a slug!!! If you were to purchase one you will want to put another V8 diesel in it!!
The pick is definately the HDJ100s with the factory turbo motor and IFS, but if you are a one eyed live front end supporter, you could look for a nice late model 80 series around 1986/87 with the 1 HDT? motor.
Regards
Angus
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I might just steal yogi's 80 series, all the hard work has been done ;D ;D ;D
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Not knowing alot about your current vehicle but can you transplant the Chev into another vehicle.
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Too much stuffing around and not enough motivation ;D , .............have thought along those lines but I have to admit I'm over working on 4x4's just for the sake of it. It's an age thing me thinks 8)
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Mate I'm in total shock :'(
They seem to be giving fourbys a good going over in se Qld at the moment. I know a few people who have gotten defects and 4 weeks to,fix and show.
You are more than welcome to take my ute for a run, it's not a 6.5 but it still goes pretty good. Would give you a idea of pulling power if you were interested in a 76 wagon.
Best of luck with your decision.
:cheers:
V8ute
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DEAL DONE :cup: ,.............................but you will have to wait 2 weeks for any more info and photos. It's cerise with a gold fleck, sounds cool and rides better then the old 62 ............................Enough said for now ;D
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DEAL DONE :cup: ,.............................but you will have to wait 2 weeks for any more info and photos. It's cerise with a gold fleck, sounds cool and rides better then the old 62 ............................Enough said for now ;D
don't muck around with the update
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Seen the for sale ad JK :o. Must be a sad time. :-[
Now fess up on the replacement ;D
Cheers, Chris :cheers:
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OK, .............won't be picking it up until next weekend but here it is,
04 100 series IFS Landcruiser, :cup:
4.7 V8 petrol, I love my V8's ;D
5 speed auto, ........one owner ( lady )
194000km on the clock
Is a country car so all miles are open road driving.
Has towbar, tinted windows, new rims and new tyres, new exhaust.
Because it's a country car she needs a good detail inside and out but I'm pretty good at cleaning things so she'll come up like a new pin.
Have already spoken to my mate re the suspension ;D , another mate re sliders ;D and have a TJM polished/winch compatable bar on it's way.
Will need a snorkel, duel battery set up, Anderson plug wiring ( lets not start on the wire size ;D ), and fit my winch and spotties etc.
I love it when a plan comes together :cheers: :cheers:
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looks too shiney, you should have taken the back road and added bush stripes already :)
What sort of price range to those things go for?
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$27000
Will proberbly have this one for another 16 years ;D
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Looks the goods JK, will be good to watch you weave some magic on it
GG
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Will it be ready for the Cape Trip.
Mark
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JK, nice price and a nice vehicle. Look forward to seeing it with new suspension, winch and all the other blingbling. ;D ;D
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$27000
Will proberbly have this one for another 16 years ;D
LOL! Im not a 3-4yr owner either, gets stupid expensive changin cars all the time!
Some new rims n tyres, front/rear bars, sidesteps, scratches, and the outside is done :)
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Thanks guys, .......it should turn out OK me thinks, started to unbolt the bullbar tonight to remove the winch.......3 barked fingers later and I've still got 8 bolts to go >:( . Will fit a new UHF and aerial as I'm leaving the old one in the 62.
Mark, ...........I'm winch bitch this year :-* so I'll be riding shotgun with my little mate Mick, he has all the preparation work under control :cup: so I don't have to rush any of the mods.
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Very nice John. I'm sure it won't take you long to bring it up to your high standards if the old 62 was anything to go by. I look forward to seeing it one day ( sooner rather than later). :cheers:
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nice pick up. 27k is well bought. re suspension and sliders, I have a bilstein package in mine and it is such a good ride on dirt. amazingly well controlled and great on the blacktop too. With the lift you'll need to be aware of your cv angles and not go too high or slip in a diff drop crossmember to keep it all working well. I've gone with a 2 inch lift and the diff drop. HD efs torsion bars and ridepro medium coils in the rear. the bilstein package was sent upfrom Autocraft in melbourne and fitted up here. Darren @ Autocraft custom valves the bilsteins specifically for the 100 when putting together the kit, you can buy the longer shocks anywhere but the valving will be different. he also does a scmick long travel kit if you wanna get super slinky.
I've recently fitted a set of Powerful 4x4 sliders, they've gone together well and seem solid. had to modify the passenger side one slightly but only elongating the bolts holes a few mm and grinding a few mm of the top of one bracket, it wasn't clearing the floor, maybe the 11 year old body rubbers have crushed a bit but it was easier to mod the slider than replace all those rubber blocks.
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Spent the day removing the bullbar and removing the winch from it, what a job >:( , 14 grade 10 hi tensile bolts don't come out all that easily,....... can't wait for next weekend to pick up the new rig, then I can start fitting the new Bullbar, winch, spotties and all the little bits to give it our personal touch.
Stay tuned for the pics and updates :cheers: