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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Tjupurula on March 07, 2012, 01:17:28 AM
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Hi Swaggers
I have been through a lot of the previous threads and have found little about bogs, and getting out of them.
I know that many people here would have been in bogs, and even without photos would have conjured up some interesting methods of getting out of the bogs, reckon it would make for some interesting stories and memories.
I am a part time grader operator (full time boily), so I have had to pull a few people out on the Tanami, my first couple of attempts involved pulling bull bars off vehicles (luckily the owners put the chains and straps on).
Just a thread out of curiousity.
Regards
Tjupurula
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This could be bigger than Ben Hur .
I have extracted myself from bogs with a Hi lift jack & Turfor & chain , wire straiger style pull . Slow process but as l didnt have anywhere else to go fill in the arvo . When bogged the 1st thing out of the truck should be the kettle . Might as well make a cuppa , your going to be here a while . :cheers:
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Hi Speewa
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a Turfor?
Regards
Tjupurula
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Turfor?
Usually found in your favourite supermarket...turfor the price of one! (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sprachlos/speechless-smiley-008.gif)
Or...something like these
(http://source.iemuk.com/images/products/main_large_2250.jpg) (http://www.belmonthire.com.au/media/wire_turfor(3).jpg) (http://www.junkmail.co.za/images/201122/images_paper/free201122__20110525_105120_4414181_.JPG)
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Tirfor
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Hi Speewa
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a Turfor?
Regards
Tjupurula
You will soon learn how to translate 'Speewa'
:-)
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You will soon learn how to translate 'Speewa'
:-)
I'm still working on it!!!! :cup:
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"Bogged" is a generic term relating to getting stuck in either mud or sand, and the methods of getting out will vary depending on the actual ground conditions, but there are some basic rules.
- Don't spin the wheels! All that does is dig you in deeper, and once the chassis comes in contact with the ground you are not going to drive out.
- Try driving the vehicle very gently backwards and forwards, stopping as soon as the resistance is felt. This will compact the ground under the wheels and (hopefully) make a long enough firm surface for you to get sufficient momentum to drive out
- Dig out under and in front of each wheel and find something reasonably long and rigid (no, not that!) to jam under the wheels to provide a roadway out. Maxtraks are best, but in the past I've used rocks, branches, and once a bunch of star droppers I had in the back of a ute.
- If the chassis is touching the ground you will either have to dig out under the vehicle or jack it up and place rocks, boards, whatever under the wheels. Make sure you have a good solid baseplate to spread the jack load, otherwise all you will do is drive the jack into the ground. Exhaust jacks are ideal for this - in fact it's the only time they should be used.
- If you have a winch, then an anchor can be made by burying your spare wheel.
Above all, don't panic. Just think about all the options available to you. Hopefully no-one on this forum would ever get themselves into such a situation without having the basic recovery gear with them - for bogged situations the shovel is the first thing you should be going for.
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I think Pipeliner has just about covered it.
As a boy, with my father, in a G60 we got stuck a few times with nothing but the jack. Only once were we stranded for a night, in soft loamy soil south of Warwick.
Tyre pressure! As soon as you're not going anywhere and before you dig too deep, let some air out of the tyres. If that doesn't work, let more out. Just a few weeks ago we were down the back paddock with a old 2wd HiLux ute and trailer and got stuck. It was so wet the things was just spinning on the grass. I was too lazy to the walk the 500m back to the Cruiser so we let the back tyres down and span the wheels on the way out. Next trip, ;D, same thing but this time I let even more air out and there was no wheel spin.
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Sometimes a winch is all it takes. You can have your tirfor... Been there done that, bought electric winch the very next day.
(http://www.gupatrol.com/crapola/marysville/th_1.jpg)
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Tjupurula - That "pulling bull bars off vehicles" quote had me remembering a doco I saw 'The bare foot snake man' or some such name. The guy himself was an interesting enough bloke who seemed to like catching poisonous snakes for some strange reason.
Anyway there he was bogged in his yellow Hilux 4x4 & his mate hooked a chain up to his bull bar to help pull him out. Well off came the bull bar & off he went too. He was as angry as a bull ant and it was all there for us on video. :-[
I fell off the couch laughing. :laugh: But then made a mental note 'always hook up to correct recovery points & never the bull bar'. ;D
And you can keep your Tirfors too. Man alive they are the slowest most painful things I ever used. They do work though. Eventually.
Cheers - Wayne
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i use a ciggicost
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Man alive they are the slowest most painful things I ever used. They do work though. Eventually.
Cheers - Wayne
Lot faster than a hi-lift jack tho', and even they do work. Very eventually.
:cheers:
Mike
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i use a ciggicost
what does a ciggicost ??
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Back on track......
I got the Ssangyong bogged (forward velocity terminated temporarily) last week on a local beach I've driven on various times previously with no problems, had a shovel, cleared out the bulk of sand behind the tires and drove out backwards ;D
Watched as a VW 4WD got into the exact same predicament right beside me, it made me feel happier :cheers:
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I don't get bogged
I just failed to proceed!!!
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Yep, between Pipeliner & Big jules the basics are covered. Your biggest asset is between your ears. Use it. Stop, look, think. The old story of boiling the billy & having a cuppa is not as silly as it sounds. It just means slow down & see how much $hit you're in & weighing up what you have & what you can do. Sadly,this may mean getting stuck a few times to learn the tricks of the trade. :cheers:
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Jeez when I was growing up with the old man we were up hill and down dale long before anything fancy like snatch ropes were invented, only thing we carried for recovery gear was a shovel and jack and half the time we were in a 2wd holden ute with the tyres down and rarely had problems.
When we did it was shovel out, drive the car back and forth and try to jam anything available to get traction under the wheels. Maxitracks seem great but they are $$ and take up a fair bit of room to carry with no other purpose.
Best thing I have seen for this is carpet squares or heavy duty rubber mats - use them when camping but also great to shove under the wheels.
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I am a part time grader operator (full time boily), so I have had to pull a few people out on the Tanami, my first couple of attempts involved pulling bull bars off vehicles (luckily the owners put the chains and straps on).
Here's one someone made earlier (language warning! no volume if you play it at work)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhqfrMJoa9k&feature=youtu.bet# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhqfrMJoa9k&feature=youtu.bet#)
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Firstly the best way to get out of a bog is not to get bogged . If you can go around it, do so. Secondly, engage you hubs. I don,t know how many times I have seen people either bogged or get bogged simply because they have not engaged their hubs. I drive all dirt roads and bush tracks in high four, if needed low four, but I will always have the hubs engaged and the leaver in the 4x4 position.Happy four wheel driving, and remember it is called four wheel driving because you are in four wheel drive.
cheers duggie
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Hi Squalo
Yep, that was a bull bar coming off, though I have never quite managed to do it that dramatically. Great video, thanks for the laugh.
Regards
Tjupurula
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Firstly the best way to get out of a bog is not to get bogged . If you can go around it, do so. Secondly, engage you hubs. I don,t know how many times I have seen people either bogged or get bogged simply because they have not engaged their hubs. I drive all dirt roads and bush tracks in high four, if needed low four, but I will always have the hubs engaged and the leaver in the 4x4 position.Happy four wheel driving, and remember it is called four wheel driving because you are in four wheel drive.
cheers duggie
Hi Duggie
Out here during the wet we all keep our hubs locked in, and normally drive in high 4, but even in low 4, people frequently get bogged. It is just how it happens, no matter what sometimes. I have walked through a local creek to check, and walked all around in the water, thought it was okay, and two days later dug the car out.
Regards
Tjupurula
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Hey guy's there's nothing wrong with a Tirfor (or like) WHATS the hurry, you get out when you get out.. Some people seem to be afraid of a little work.
Used 1 at work to pull a 5T machine 100+ mtr on skids, just 2 of us in 8hrs. You do need a case of beer though!!!!
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Hi Duggie
Out here during the wet we all keep our hubs locked in, and normally drive in high 4, but even in low 4, people frequently get bogged. It is just how it happens, no matter what sometimes. I have walked through a local creek to check, and walked all around in the water, thought it was okay, and two days later dug the car out.
Regards
Tjupurula
Hi Tjupurula,
Sounds to me that you have been doing the offroad thing for quite some time, I was not referring to the guys/girls who have been around this thing for a long time but to the weekend warrior . But in saying that some of the people who I have helped should have known better
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Highlift jack can be rigged up to act as a tirfor too if no/busted winch
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Hi Duggie
You could be right, the closest bitumen to us is about 300 km's away. My car has 198k+ on the clock, and less than 10k of that is bitumen, mind you, I have been through plenty of bearings and seals, a couple of sets of wishbones and CV's, new tie rods and a few other bits and pieces here and there.
The last time I got bogged I had to use long planks beside the car, a high lift into the tyre rims, and lift out then other planks in under the wheels, all in all about 4 hours and I was out. I thought I knew the road, I did not know that someone else had dug themselves out and not filled the hole in.
Regards
Tjupurula
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Highlift jack can be rigged up to act as a tirfor too if no/busted winch
How is that done ?
Tjupurula
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Here you are -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSPbDwnUC-M# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSPbDwnUC-M#)
:cheers:
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How is that done ?
Tjupurula
Gday mate, hooking the winch up between the car and atree. Then the process of jacking it up moves the car. Sloooooowly, but it does work. Got bogged years ago up the cape and my winch decided to stop working :( so rigged up the high lift and moved it enough so that it wasnt resting on the undercarriage and drove out.
Took a while though, but better than being stuck.
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Thanks Manjimike
I will admit that I would never have even thought of that.
Regards
Tjupurula
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I did it in Litchfield Np but only had 25mm rope no chain so the stretch didn't gain me anything at all :'( :'(
:cheers:
Mike
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Turfor?
Usually found in your favourite supermarket...turfor the price of one! (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sprachlos/speechless-smiley-008.gif)
Or...something like these
(http://source.iemuk.com/images/products/main_large_2250.jpg) (http://www.belmonthire.com.au/media/wire_turfor(3).jpg) (http://www.junkmail.co.za/images/201122/images_paper/free201122__20110525_105120_4414181_.JPG)
I have one of these. Made before they realise cars had electrical systems. I don't have the wires anymore (I think), but I have the rest of it ....
Kit_e
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I have had both a high lift jack with chain and a (Big Haul) hand winch similar to the turfor. Even when I was younger and a lot fitter, these things were really hard work and painfully slow. Elecric winch is now the way go and a set of max traks.
I have been bogged a lot of timesover the years and wittnessed some really crazy dangerous recoveies of vehicles. Saw a tow ball go flying hrough the trees, seen a hammer handle used to join two straps and it went all the way through te metal tailgate of a Hilux ute through some of the camping gear in the back (which probably saved the drivers life) and stopped cut into the back pannel of the drivers cab.
Best one was sitting on the beach with a beer and the mozzie net waiting for the tide go to out, to recover a propperly bogged vehicle. Was quite funny watching the little sharks fins swimming around the roof rack of some guys old troopie stuck in the mud south of Broome. Dragged it out and he actually got it going again the next day.
This is my Patrol about to pull an F250 out of the sand. Bloody great heavy thing it was too.
(http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff353/geordie4x4/Patrol%20offroad/DSC_9456ed.jpg)
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And here is another good recovery.
The guy in the Disco went about 100m down the track only to find the river blocking it at the bottom and he could only get part of the way back up.
It did not look that hard a track but proved to be a hell of a lot of work to recover.
(http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff353/geordie4x4/Patrol%20offroad/DSC_4204.jpg)
It took about four winch extension straps and two different winches and two hours to get him back up.
(http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff353/geordie4x4/Patrol%20offroad/DSC_4224.jpg)
(http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff353/geordie4x4/Patrol%20offroad/DSC_4225.jpg)
Where did my winch go?
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(http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff353/geordie4x4/Patrol%20offroad/DSC_4224.jpg)
That person's 'adventurous' standing where he is...
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That person's 'adventurous' standing where he is...
Absoutley dangerous place to stand should the cable snap ???
Cheers
Carl
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One man's adventure, is another man's danger...
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That person's 'adventurous' standing where he is...
Come on, theres only the inertia from 1 winch + 4 snatch straps + a few 100mtrs of hill + Pajero there.
wheres your testicles?
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If you look at the photo he is controling the winch....
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If you look at the photo he is controling the winch....
ahhhhhhhhhh didnt see that, the cable/straps will know not to cut him in 1/2 if they snap cause hes in control.
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Yes, the most important point I should have listed (I thought of it an hour later) was "LET A LOT OF AIR OUT OF THE TYRES!".
And on the winching front, when I did a 4wd course back in 1983 the instructor took us to some sand dunes at the back of Port Adelaide and got us stuck on top of one with diagonally opposite wheels off the ground - having lockers is the only chance of driving out of that situation. Then he got out a long coil of manila rope, banged a few star droppers in as an anchor, looped the rope between the anchor and the front recovery point, and then by using another star dropper as a lever in the middle of the rope loop we twisted the rope as tight as we possibly could - this ended up acting as a mini snatch due to the force it exerted on the front of the ute so when we tried to drive out it gave just enough pull to get back into a driveable situation.
Never used the method since, but never forgotten it either. You could probably do something similar with a snatch strap if you were stuck out on your own.
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ahhhhhhhhhh didnt see that, the cable/straps will know not to cut him in 1/2 if they snap cause hes in control.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Swaggers
I am learning some great methods of getting out of bogs, I have my main method, but have some great options from people's experiences.
Regards
Tjupurula
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ahhhhhhhhhh didnt see that, the cable/straps will know not to cut him in 1/2 if they snap cause hes in control.
your funnay lost!
cheers
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Ok, once used just a snatch strap and 6 blokes doing the "tug-of -war" style pull to recover a Pootrol stuck in the softest stuff on earth.
It was about 1985 during a club "Safari" style rally so there were lots of witnesses (gawkers) and volunteers. We had tried to winch the stuck vehicle but it started to pull the winch vehicle into the bog. We then chained a second vehicle behind the winch vehicle to act as an anchor and also doubled the pull with a snatch block - still pulled both winch vehicles towards the stuck one.
Access was really bad as it was a single track with no side access. I knew the snatch strap was just a big rubber band so I suggested a few blokes have a go (with me) at pulling the thing out. Well you can imagine the laughter and ribbing that I copped - you know " Ah, c'mon (w)anchor, that'll never work - two big 4b's can't do it, no way you can" I replied, great I have my first volunteer, 4 or 5 more and we can have a go, my shout at the pub if it doesn't work.
Anyway to cut a long story short - we did move it enough for it to gain traction and get out itself.
I didn't have to buy the beers..........but they did go down very well, funny how the laughter stopped too.
There is always a way.
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Here you are -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSPbDwnUC-M# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSPbDwnUC-M#)
:cheers:
That's a great video. Thanks for posting.
Cheers - Wayne
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That person's 'adventurous' standing where he is...
Yes, agree with that.
Note where I am taking the photo from. He could sand further out of the way even with the controller in his hand. This was with winch extension straps Not Snatch straps, there was steel cable on this winch and I have Plasma rope on mine wich is way up the top of the hill. The vehicle at the top is also connected to a tree.
I have seen a winch cable snap and it did not recoil nearly as violently as a stretchy snatch strap can, but I still would not want to be in the way or cop a shackle. At least if all other bystanders are out of the way it puts fewer people at risk.
But how far is enough when you see in the video the force of that bumperbar torn off with a snatch strap. It flew what 15 or 20 meters? and Would have killed anyone in the way.
Gives me a new respect for clearing the area properly.
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Hi Duggie
Out here during the wet we all keep our hubs locked in, and normally drive in high 4, but even in low 4, people frequently get bogged. It is just how it happens, no matter what sometimes. I have walked through a local creek to check, and walked all around in the water, thought it was okay, and two days later dug the car out.
Regards
Tjupurula
Isn't that the truth. The Black Mud is aw-sum - not....:-)
Actually. On a serious note I'm looking to get out there to put some antennas up in Mulun and Billi. We are hoping to drive two new ambulances out there.
How's the tracks at the moment. Any chance to drive out at the moment?
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Hi Steveand Viv
We have had our new ambulance delivered, and I have not seen you guys around, so I am hoping to catch up with you when you come here again. Do not try to come through the back road from Billiluna, it is almost nothing but water and mud at the moment, we have recovered four vehicles from bogs in the last week, that is enough.
Regards
Tjupurula
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Hi Steveand Viv
We have had our new ambulance delivered, and I have not seen you guys around, so I am hoping to catch up with you when you come here again. Do not try to come through the back road from Billiluna, it is almost nothing but water and mud at the moment, we have recovered four vehicles from bogs in the last week, that is enough.
Regards
Tjupurula
Cheers. There is another Ambo coming your way, two actually I think. I need to get out to Ringer Soak as well. Do you know if the rivers are passable ? I suspect with the latest rain I may be in for a wait or fly to do the radio work I need to do. Also we are looking to revisit re the new clinics so I should be out in the next few weeks. Will let you know
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Hi again Steve
The Duncan is currently closed to all traffic, hence noone is going out to Ringers Soak, but that could change next week. The road just east of Old Halls Creek has gone absolutely shocking, and the first 45 Km's after you leave Halls Creek are disgusting. Flora Valley Station are flying everything in at the moment, mand we have just flown all our fresh fruit and vegetables in, and we are starting to run out of some other stock, but the roads are quickly drying.
Be extremely careful if you drive in, there are some terrible washouts in the hills between Halls Creek and Ruby Plains Station, at the bottom of the creeks especially.
Look forward to seeing you again when you get here. Hopefully you got my email about possibly bringing a decent Router in for me, and emailing me the cost as well as some banking details so I can send you the funds.
Regards
Tjupurula
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to get out of a bog . you need a manual toyota land cruiser snath strap a winch and a bogged nissan. as you see sometimes on nissans 'TOYOTA RECOVERY VEHCLIE' well thats wrong because nissans cant do that because there already bogged and their saying help im bogged and i say should of bruoght a toyota mate. :4x4: O0
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i say should of bruoght a toyota mate. :4x4: O0
Problem with that is you then need to lower your IQ by the series number.... :o
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Problem with that is you then need to lower your IQ by the series number....
Is that information is also relevant of the vehicle owners of said brand :cheers:
( says a proud Ssangyong owner )
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Anything can get bogged, just give it to me.
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Hey there guys i have a good family friend whos son is now blind after taking a D shakle to the face wilst sitting in a car being recovered from a bog the shackle came through the windscreen and hit him in the face. It was a terrible accident he had just done his finnal yr12 exams was havin a bit of fun with his mates wen it happened He spent his 18th birthday in ICU. That day changed his whole life
I drive tower cranes for a living and have learnt to not trust anything as someone else said on here a chain is only as strong as its weekest link a statment wich i have seen first hand. Even the best equipment and gear used within its SWL can sometimes fail i always make sure i have an escape route or a plan if it all goes bush.
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Shi!! that is nasty to hear anyone injured like this. Brings home the reality of how dangerous it can be.
I once saw a guy hook up his snatch strap over the tow ball to do a recovery on a bogged mate. I went over to tell him how dangerous it was and suggested he connect a different way, I even offered a propper reciever hitch with a shackle. He told me to "F off or I would be more likely to get hit by a bunch of five than by a towball". We left them to it. They recovered the other vehicle without incident but it could have turned out differently.
It won't stop me from offering again if I see something else dangerous but it did put a sour taste in my mouth.
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Hi,
Mix kids playing on a soapy piece of plastic sheet, with a home made 'horizontal bungie jumper'.
It's all fun till some one loses an eye.
One eye was hit with the wire hook end, and the optic nerve to the other was damaged with the impact.
Blind in both eyes now at age 8.
Not mine, I only photographed the injury.
Apologies for being off topic, but it is about something breaking under stress that shouldn't have and causing injury.
I'm now over-cautious about anything under tension.
regards etc
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Few years ago got bogged in one of the back paddocks and my father and uncles decided to come and
help laugh at me. They formulated the entire plan on how they were getting me out.
The plan:
Tractor + wooden planks (2-3inch thick) dug in behind the wheels of an old '91 hilux.
Wooden planks weren't needed (as I tried to tell them, but they wouldn't listen to the 16 year old) and caused a bit of damage (for which I got the blame since I bogged it).
Started pulling, came easy as anything, back tyres got to the end of the shorter plank (other was longer than the wheel base and stayed down properly), the front end lifted up went over top of the front wheel, got caught between the ground, tyre and body of the ute, tractor pulled it over the plank (front of the ute balanced up in the air on one plank) planks finally snapped and tractor kept pulling out of the bog.
Nice bit of a dent up the bonnet and the wheel arch, but otherwise fine. Driver (me) was a little shaken by the experience though. As soon as I realised what was about to happen (saw log lift up) I got on the two-way but the tractor's one was turned off so they didn't stop. Beaut of an old ute lasted until last year in a hail storm and the insurance company wrote her off :(
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Hi again Steve
The Duncan is currently closed to all traffic, hence noone is going out to Ringers Soak, but that could change next week. The road just east of Old Halls Creek has gone absolutely shocking, and the first 45 Km's after you leave Halls Creek are disgusting. Flora Valley Station are flying everything in at the moment, mand we have just flown all our fresh fruit and vegetables in, and we are starting to run out of some other stock, but the roads are quickly drying.
Be extremely careful if you drive in, there are some terrible washouts in the hills between Halls Creek and Ruby Plains Station, at the bottom of the creeks especially.
Look forward to seeing you again when you get here. Hopefully you got my email about possibly bringing a decent Router in for me, and emailing me the cost as well as some banking details so I can send you the funds.
Regards
Tjupurula
No message mate. Try steveandviv10@bigpond.com I can get one our to Lee quite easy for you
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I have one of these. Made before they realise cars had electrical systems. I don't have the wires anymore (I think), but I have the rest of it ....
Kit_e
Never seen a car be winched sideways or backward by a bullbar mounted electric winch, they do have their place aside from saving money