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General => Previous Member Trips => Trips, Tracks, Touring and Reports => 2012 Cape York Members Trip => Topic started by: McGirr on July 11, 2011, 11:41:25 AM
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If you are heading up to the Cape the minimum requirements are:
2 Front and rear recovery points on the car
All terrain tyres or better
2 snatch straps, snatch strap equalizer, snatch strap joiners
Rated bow shackles
Winch....if you are considering one!!!
Car bra for water crossings
Spare studs and nuts
Belts and oil
Diff breathers extensions
I will add more later
Mark
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Will be watching this :D
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Maybe a spare engine mount for a 60 series :-[ :-[ :-[........................... ;D
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Diff breathers
I think you mean diff breather extensions so that they are up nice and high in the engine bay?
I would add spare bearings and castle nuts for the trailer.
Tools should include a socket set and spanners so that you can check nuts daily.
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If you are heading up to the Cape the minimum requirements are:
2 Front and rear recovery points on the car Check
All terrain tyres or better Check
2 snatch straps Check, snatch strap equalizer Check, snatch strap joiners Check
Rated bow shackles Check
Winch....if you are considering one!!! Check
Car bra for water crossings Check blue tarp will do the job nicely
Spare studs and nuts
Belts and oil Check
Diff breathers extensions Check standard on the Patrol ST Wagon
I will add more later
Mark
Not that much to do to my vehicle just a few items to get. Would a small blue tarp suffice as a car bra?
Cheers Rod.... 8) :cheers:
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Would a small blue tarp suffice as a car bra?
I had a silver one that worked a treat, not sure if a blue one would work though ;D
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Are 2 recovery points required on the back. At the moment I only have the towbar recovery hitch. I will add a a couple of hooks to the side as well just to be sure I meet the requirements.
Bert
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Tools should include a socket set and spanners so that you can check nuts daily.
one year we went tools consisted of shifter and a wheel brace tool box was left in shed oops :-* lucky for mates long way to go with out a few tools
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Nav is ready to roll...
Bill and Morag
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Ill be doing this trip next year in my 105 seires cruiser with ct
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watching this one
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:cup:
it has my keen interest too ;D
:worthles:
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whatever you do don't do a search for a water bra on ebay
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I used a tarp for the first two crossing and that was all good. The on the third it popped up so to speak and was doing nothing and also my light then filled with water. On the flip side I borrowed a bra (no, not the wifes) at Nolans and it did so much of a better job I would encourage you all to purchase one. They are easier to put on and they seem to do a better job creating that bow wave IMO
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whatever you do don't do a search for a water bra on ebay
Yes would need a few of them for the cruiser but would not mind the models sitting on the bonnet ;D
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Yes would need a few of them for the cruiser but would not mind the models sitting on the bonnet ;D
as long as there was a model for everyone one you needed it it think it would be worth while.......;D ;D
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Ebay water bra
http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m570.l1313&_nkw=water+bra&_sacat=See-All-Categories
can't find how to attach them to the motor car though.
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Ok back on topic ;D
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What is a snatch strap joiner? I was in the local ARB joint last week and they didn't know what one was either
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Hey McGirr what do you usually set your tyre pressures at and where do you play with them or do you just drop them at bramwell junction and leave them till you hit the black top
Cheers Diksta
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Can I still go if I don't have a Winch?
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Hi mystq,
There will be dedicated recovery vehicles on the trip ( myself included) as well as the mob pulling camp trailers. A winch is only on the want list not the need list.
cheers duggie
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Cheers duggie :D
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Just Straps make the snatch strap joiners, they go in between the two linked straps and look a lot like these ;D . We had one slip sideways during one of the recoveries last Cape Trip and it too became stuck in the knot, but most of the time them seem to work.
Note.......................the Crownie bottle cap is for size comparison only :cheers:
Cheers
John K
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Hey McGirr what do you usually set your tyre pressures at and where do you play with them or do you just drop them at bramwell junction and leave them till you hit the black top
Cheers Diksta
Depending on how rough the tracks are but once on the dirt I would suggest 28 to 30 psi depending on what load you are carrying.
Mark
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What happened to just using a magazine, newspaper or stick to join two snatch straps together?
Just Straps make the snatch strap joiners, they go in between the two linked straps and look a lot like these ;D . We had one slip sideways during one of the recoveries last Cape Trip and it too became stuck in the knot, but most of the time them seem to work.
Note.......................the Crownie bottle cap is for size comparison only :cheers:
Cheers
John K
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What happened to just using a magazine, newspaper or stick to join two snatch straps together?
We are flash these days mate!
We joined three straps together to slingshot people through Nolans, so I don't think the old magazine or newspaper would have held up to being dunked. Stick would have worked though.
There will be dedicated recovery vehicles on the trip ( myself included) as well as the mob pulling camp trailers. A winch is only on the want list not the need list.
I should have my winch rebuilt by then and have the big boots on the cruiser so I'm happy to do the same.
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What happened to just using a magazine, newspaper or stick to join two snatch straps together?
Just for those readers who might wonder about the magazine, newspaper or stick statement,
These items can be used to stop the straps from
Binding together so tight it's impossible to seperate them.
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Cheers mate, good point. I might have confused some with that statment. Thanks for clearing that up. This has worked for me for many years of wheeling......
Just for those readers who might wonder about the magazine, newspaper or stick statement,
These items can be used to stop the straps from
Binding together so tight it's impossible to seperate them.
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For joining snatch straps I use a small section of dowel and a velcro strap to hold it in place. I'm not a fan of using anything compressible as after a hard snatch recovery it can become difficult to unbind.
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Not that much to do to my vehicle just a few items to get. Would a small blue tarp suffice as a car bra?
Cheers Rod.... 8) :cheers:
If you can I would suggest you get car bra. Both me and Frostd used the tarps and I had one occasion where it lifted up due to the length of the crossing. For Nolans we borrowed one and not only was it so much quicker to put on but did a better job creating that bow wave as well.
just my opinion though. No real issues either way
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Just for those readers who might wonder about the magazine, newspaper or stick statement,
These items can be used to stop the straps from
Binding together so tight it's impossible to seperate them.
Just a note that this is not guaranteed, I have had two straps still bind up to the point of being unseparable when using a newspaper. Ended up cutting the older of the two strapes to get them apart :'(
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i have just ordered the joiners, and i got a equaliser while there, the only thing i don't have the list apart from the winch is the bra now, so i am getting there, starting fitting new Mickey T's ATZ 4 ribs this week, by time the trip comes around i hope to have a new bulbar and winch.
look like i will have to change my signature for the iPhone tapatalk, didn't realise it brought up a map of the location..
cheers
Diksta
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Looks like I got to get a Car bra then, anyone know some good brands, prices?
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Just get a small cheap tarp to cover the front.......Works for many..
Looks like I got to get a Car bra then, anyone know some good brands, prices?
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Ok, Cheers Teabag.
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I can loan my car bra out after I cross the creeks for a 6 pack :cheers:
Mark
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I just bought Leanne a new one from tjm for $140 mystq
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I have one of these http://www.msa4x4.com.au/Products/WaterBra.asp (http://www.msa4x4.com.au/Products/WaterBra.asp) which are very well made as is everything from MSA.....
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I have one of these http://www.msa4x4.com.au/Products/WaterBra.asp (http://www.msa4x4.com.au/Products/WaterBra.asp) which are very well made as is everything from MSA.....
I thought you said just use a tarp, now you have a Car Bra ;D
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I have one but never really use it because of the space they take up. Hence I just carry a tarp now and the tarp can be used for various things, multiple use. I cable tie it to the bulbar. Car bras are bulky. If you must have one the one I posted up is very good. IMHO a tarp does suffice. I should have been more clear in my post, sorry.
I thought you said just use a tarp, now you have a Car Bra ;D
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I have one but never really use it because of the space they take up. Hence I just carry a tarp now and the tarp can be used for various things, multiple use. I cable tie it to the bulbar. Car bras are bulky. If you must have one the one I posted up is very good. IMHO a tarp does suffice. I should have been more clear in my post, sorry.
Ok cheers for that, amazing how much gear you can accumulate 8)
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well i am getting there is regards to requirements and spares
so far i have 3 snatch straps (thou 1 is a bit dodgy)
snatch strap joiners x 2
equaliser
spare shock and bushes for camper
spare wheel studs and nuts for the cruiser
wheel bearing for camper will turn up monday
Cruiser is getting fitted out with a set 285 70 R17 Mickey T ATZ 4ribs next week
still need to order wheel studs and nuts for the camper, swell as spare shocks and bushes for cruiser.
i have a belt and hose kit for the cruiser as well as coolant and oil
so yes i am gearing up and even if i don't need any of it i will always have it for spares for the next trip to where ever that maybe
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Looks like I got to get a Car bra then, anyone know some good brands, prices?
Berlei ;D
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Cruiser is getting fitted out with a set 285 70 R17 Mickey T ATZ 4ribs next week
Same boots as mine will be ;D
I think we have the same stud pattern, so will have plenty of spares for this trip!
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Same boots as mine will be ;D
I think we have the same stud pattern, so will have plenty of spares for this trip!
which is the same as my camper so spares galore
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which is the same as my camper so spares galore
And I'm carrying two spares as well - never can be too prepared!
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And I'm carrying two spares as well - never can be too prepared!
yeah i will be carrying 2 spares for the cruiser and 1 for the camper so essentially 3 spares
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1st of the new Mickey T's big difference in size the extra clearance will be good
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Minimum Requirements ? = Can of worms , stock standard anything will get to Seisa on the cape depending on road used ,,, minimum this and that reminds me of when the wife pulls up at the Middleton Pub midway between Winton and Boulia in her Kia Rio with all of 2 inches ground clearance and parks between modified to the max Nissan patrol and a 100 series , loud comment from one woman to her husband ? " Tell me again why we had to spend thousands of dollars to modify our car for a trip to Boulia to see the camel races ?? "
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Alloy C/T i am sure i have heard your story about your wife and i am sure that some one has already told you this but i will say it again- NOT EVERYONE TRAVELS ON THE MAIN ROAD LIKE THE LOCALS DO. And yes i was on last years Cape Trip I saw the damage that occurs, the recoverys that had to be under taken and the equipment that had to be used and what has been written for Minimum Vehicle requirments is not over the top....
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Minimum Requirements ? = Can of worms , stock standard anything will get to Seisa on the cape depending on road used ,,, minimum this and that reminds me of when the wife pulls up at the Middleton Pub midway between Winton and Boulia in her Kia Rio with all of 2 inches ground clearance and parks between modified to the max Nissan patrol and a 100 series , loud comment from one woman to her husband ? " Tell me again why we had to spend thousands of dollars to modify our car for a trip to Boulia to see the camel races ?? "
Agree to a certain amount. I have done 4 trips to the Cape and have hired out campers for 4 years sending them to the Cape.
I have seen a Nissan pulsar drive up the main rd to the Cape and yes a stock standard car can do it no problem traveling at a safe speed. We travel the OTL track which requires high vehicle clearance , good tyres, quality shocks and springs, some spares etc. This is required to avoid costly damage to a vehicle.
I have seen vehicles roll , chassis bend and snap, bullbars fall off , shockies snap, bearings collapse plus minor breakdowns where having the simple tools will fix the problem and it does depend on the driver. To be towed from the Otl to any where costs well over a thousand dollars.
The list is a guide and some enthusiasts do have a well kitted out vehicle. Always better to be safe than sorry.
Do not feel I have taken offence to your post but just giving my response to the post and talking from experience.
Mark
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Minimum Requirements ? = Can of worms , stock standard anything will get to Seisa on the cape depending on road used ,,, minimum this and that reminds me of when the wife pulls up at the Middleton Pub midway between Winton and Boulia in her Kia Rio with all of 2 inches ground clearance and parks between modified to the max Nissan patrol and a 100 series , loud comment from one woman to her husband ? " Tell me again why we had to spend thousands of dollars to modify our car for a trip to Boulia to see the camel races ?? "
Not sure if you are trolling or not, but there is a big difference between travelling a well maintained dirt road (which is what the Cape development road is) and the Old Telegraph track. Sure you can get a Kia up the development road to Seisa, but I'd really like to see you get past Palm Creek.
Yes we managed to get stock standard vehicles through the track last year, but the risk of damage was quite high. Far better to be prepared than to cause major damage or injury just because someone on a forum says that they got a Kia to Boulia.
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Minimum Requirements ? = Can of worms , stock standard anything will get to Seisa on the cape depending on road used ,,, minimum this and that reminds me of when the wife pulls up at the Middleton Pub midway between Winton and Boulia in her Kia Rio with all of 2 inches ground clearance and parks between modified to the max Nissan patrol and a 100 series , loud comment from one woman to her husband ? " Tell me again why we had to spend thousands of dollars to modify our car for a trip to Boulia to see the camel races ?? "
I am sure i have read that quote in a mag or somewhere
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Jetcrew :D
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Let's not turn this thread into an electrical thread ;D
If you want to discuss, comment or have your opinion noted start another thread elsewhere please. If you want to discus my recommendations on what is required on this trip not a problem.
Thank you.
Mark
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A lot of situations like pulling another vehicle through a creek can be done with a winch extension strap which are longer and do not stretch giving a better pull and do not create a surging effect on both vehicles .the right lb strap will need to be used
A snatch strap is designed to free a vehicle from a bog or sand or to create a lifting effect on a stuck vehicle. in pulling or towing instances they can be dangerous as they create a surge between the 2 vehicles ,making it difficult to regulate speed in order to have both vehicles moving at the one speed .
I have sometimes when stuck just needed a little pull from a recovery vehicle ,prob is when you use a snatch strap ,the recovery vehicle must first take up all the tension on the snatch strap before my car will obtain the little pull it needs. So this means increased speed on the part of the recovery vehicle.
I am not suggesting for one minute that a snatch strap is not the go to strap for most situations but sometimes stretch is not required and a pull is all that required. The combined stretch of 3 snatch straps joined together to pull a vehicle through a creek is an unneeded amount of stored energy which upon failure will travel some distance imho?
In a recovery you must first establish what you are trying to achieve pulling a vehicale is best done at a constant speed with the joining strap gradually loaded and maintained at the load without jerking a stretch in the strap makes this very difficult.
If you use a snatch strap as a tow strap you get a lot less surging, not more. Try it.
We used snatch straps at Nolans as it was highly likely the vehicle would get stuck halfway through. Hardly the kind of situation where you want to change straps when water is coming in.
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Every recovery if different >:D and in my humble opinion 8)
I like snatch straps if your lazy or potentially need that extra snap / pull ...... IE boggy sandy river river beds / boggy muddy crossings / sandy beach bogs ect :cheers: They are good for inexperienced 4x4 drivers as you will get the extra pull exactly when you need it ...... though they can be extremely dangerous due to the extream load placed on your strap and vehicle ..... extream caution should be used during any recovery.
Every other recovery is best performed via a singal / double / triple line recovery using the winch ............... slow controlable ect 8) But on a river crossing you will take on water :'(
A 4x4 with trailer is a very heavy beast to recover and you need to start with the extream recovery techniques and go from there. 4.5T+of static weight is a lot different to your mates unladended 4x4 truck. Plus if it get's soaked / the 4x4 goes under water....... your in the **** with everyone ???
I have used most recover bit's and pieces and I have seen winch extension straps almost double under extream loads so they two will also offer some snatch strap characteristics.
Using a snatch strap when winching in a very boggy situation can be very usefull ... load up the strap with the winch then use a little go pedal and you will concur what was previously unachievable. It all takes practice and starts with getting your self stuck ;D
All I can say is play it by ear and do what works for you with what gear you have. There is always more than one way to do anything ..... do what you are comfortable with ;D
yogi
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Let's not turn this thread into an electrical thread ;D
If you want to discuss, comment or have your opinion noted start another thread elsewhere please. If you want to discus my recommendations on what is required on this trip not a problem.
Thank you.
Mark
Understood ,post has been removed just in case it continues on
Jetcrew
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Understood ,post has been removed just in case it continues on
Jetcrew
I thought we were just having a healthy discussion ???
yogi
PS(I profess to be neither perfect or a recovery experts ........ just ask Tim or the wife ... Oh and not in that order either ;D)