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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: listo on May 14, 2011, 07:34:35 PM
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Hi all,
Picked up our camper yesterday, we didn't take cooking goods, only bedding, planning to stay in the camper for the maiden voyage and just get a counter meal for dinner. We stopped at the Big 4 in Rocky for a break before coming home this morning. At $52 an night for Jahna, myself and 1 and 3 y/o daughters for an unpowered site, i was blown away. The facilities were nice, there's no doubt, but for kids the age of ours, the only attraction was warm showers and mowed grass. As for older kids, it was a pool and a video games room. We aren't made of money, so we can't work out how they justify these prices when for $20 extra we could have had a self contained cabin with cooking gear and footy on tv
I admit, it was good to camp with the kids, but for that price, there aren't too many Big 4 parks you'll see me at
Listo
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Now you know what the attraction is to bush camping......
But that price is crap.....$24 to $30 a night is all you should pay for a powered site !!
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But that price is crap.....$24 to $30 a night is all you should pay for a powered site !!
Based on?
Big4 address a market segment, if you don't like it don't stay there.
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Big 4 parks have some great facilities normally, however are normally the most expensive parks.
We went to book into one at Bright, and were quoted over $120.00 for a grassy site. And you recon you couldn't justify $20.00. Needless to say we drove out of that park and drove another 30ks up the road and got a site for $30.00 with room to spare.
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While I agree they are expensive - most of them are at a pretty good standard, with cathderal beach on Fraser being the worst one I have seen. We will however stay in them every now and then because they usually have hot showers, clean toilets etc etc and our son enjoys playing on the jumping pillows with dad (although I would draw the line well before the $120 mark).
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We didn't find the Big 4 parks magnitudes dearer than other parks of similar standard but you are right, it is hard to justify for a short stay or if you can't get the value out of the facilities.
D4D stated it pretty succinctly when he said “Big4 address a market segment, if you don't like it don't stay there”. Big 4 tailors their parks to families that are using it ‘AS’ the destination as opposed to the people who just want a camp for the night and as such the parks are all about the park experience.
When we did the big trip we never stayed in these sort of parks (again, I don’t think it’s confined to Big 4) if we were just in and then out next morning. There is absolutely no value in that. We did however stay in a few around the country if we were in for a number of days or a week. We have much older kids than you so we as a family were able to use all of the facilities and get the value out of them. The best example would be Mac Ranges Big 4 in Alice.. That’s a great place to spend a few days between desert adventures. We have done that twice now (2007 and 2010) and no doubt will do it again.. Sunday pancakes is cool
They make a great contrast to a few weeks in the bush or covering the big distances day after day so in my opinion they have a value, you just need to decide if they have a value to you. Which clearly they don’t
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We stayed in the Big 4 Cairns Coconut Holiday Resort for a few nights on our way back from up the Cape. It was a good place to get cleaned up, and had plenty of stuff for the kids to do (2 x jumping pillows, numerous pools and water activities).
Money well spent in that situation.
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most of them are at a pretty good standard, with cathderal beach on Fraser being the worst one I have seen..
i agree with this statement, visited friends staying there at Easter time and thought the place was very run down. apparently it just sold at Easter time to new owners, so will be interesting to see if they clean the place up and make it more like most other Big 4 parks around the country.
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The good lady works at a Big 4 and I'd have to say this park caters well for there guests, at different times there had camp kitchen cook ups where they do pancakes for all guests, Easter egg hunt at Easter time , zoomba dancing, water aerobics , kids club and more. They have the police visit during peak holiday periods and have great facilities. Don't know what there sites are worth.. but the way they pay the good lady, they can't be cheap.. Regular guests have received wine and chocolate's at different times and i guess it all costs money..
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We stayed in the Big 4 Cairns Coconut Holiday Resort for a few nights on our way back from up the Cape. It was a good place to get cleaned up, and had plenty of stuff for the kids to do (2 x jumping pillows, numerous pools and water activities).
Money well spent in that situation.
Actually, that Cairns Coconut was the dearest park we found anywhere in the country ;D We stayed there for 4 days and it pissed down the whole time. I made my then 13 yo daughter take 2 hour hot hot hot showers just to feel as though we were getting some value :angel: :cup: She didn't complain :D Not since I made her brother and her swim in the pools and jump on the bubbles even when it was cold and raining :cup:
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You hit the nail on the head there D4D, i didn't like it so i won't stay there. Better off down a creek somewhere for free, the only difference is no hot water.
I'm not saying i'll never stay at one ever, but for what rocky offered, i'd rather drive the extra 3 hours and get the kids home. We looked forward to the Big 4 name, simply for the jumping pillow as this would have entertained our two for hours, but this was not there.
I'll have no hesitation going to the Big 4 in Airlie Bch, it looks awesome, and in a fortnight i'll stay at Cania Big 4.
The point i'm getting at is, with stuff all to do, i may as well get a cabin for $20 extra or camp down the creek for free (which i'll do when better set up). Money's hard enough to get now without giving it away for nothing
Listo
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I'll have no hesitation going to the Big 4 in Airlie Bch
Listo
Make sure you stay at the newer one on the northern side of airlie beach, the older one which is closer to town is a bit run down and in need of some TLC, although the people that work there are just wonderful.
Sunday pancakes is cool
We too liked the one in Alice and the free pancakes on Sunday were a hit.
We are also big fans of camping beside a river with a campfire, but when on extended trips its always good to reward the wife for good behaviour with a few of lifes little luxuries.
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We also stayed at a few Big 4's as a reward for the kids and it was also a chance to wash sheets and all that. While it was expensive compared to other places jt was a good break if like Joff said you were setting up for a week or 4 to 5 days
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We've stayed at the odd Big 4 but tend to use them as an intermediate type of accomodation - and it has a specific purpose. Like others we use it for a re-charge, re-new type of stop, getting the washing sorted etc, and spending a couple of days exploring the area. Mostly we prefer quieter and more isolated spots but you can't always get these.
There are often cheaper and more basic parks but we've been bitten by some pretty poor ones in teh past and perfer to pay a bit extra for known services.
So the Big4 fits in between bush style camping and staying in a cabin or motel. Many of the Big 4s offer better entertainment than a more expensive motel!
So they have their place and their market and we use it accordingly.
:cheers:
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Id be happy to stay there - if they were dog friendly.
But for people that do want to stay at a cp that doesn't have dogs, they'd be the pick I guess. You know what you're getting at least.
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For $52 a night you should have been able to get an ensuite sight (private bathroom) if they had them, though some have minimum 2 nights on ensuites.
but $52 for an unpowered site is just plain rude. you should not have been charged for kids that young.
Typically anywhere along the coastal areas the parks are a bit of a rip off regardless of facilities, especially in peak times, go slighty inland and see the prices difference. and some with just as good facilities.
Example October (NSW School Holidays) Tuncurry powered site no slab $54 a night for 3 (2 adults 1 kids)
Same period went home via Cessnock (there's only 1 park) Big4 Ensuite $32 a night. ( " " " " )
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and in a fortnight i'll stay at Cania Big 4.
we stayed there about 5 years ago and it was a nice place, will be getting pretty cold out that by now aswell as we found out on our visit ....lol
have a wander right down the back of the park when your there, i did so and found a flock of red tailed black cockatoos feeding on the lawn. also found them down at the dam down the road also, ones at van park were easier to try and get pics of, the ones at the dam would fly off before you got anywhere near them.
they do a bird feeding show in the afternoons which is great for the young kids, and plenty of adults enjoyed it aswell, they also used to do a free morning tea a couple of days a week aswell.
cheers
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We do stay at Big 4's occasionally as we have a family and like the cleanliness and facilities. (jumping pillows, pools, parks, etc)
They are expensive, but so are most these days.
Obviously there are exceptions, but most offer good facilities for the money.
The obvious problem is if you don't want the facilities you still pay for them.............
We do use them so don't mind paying. Horses for courses I guess.
On the subject of exceptions - Coober Pedy big 4. I can save you some time. I'll email you a photo of my posterior ;D
Saves you the trip that way.
Then of course the flip side. Big 4 Alice Springs. Best park I've ever stayed in. Great service, great facilities, clean as, and friendly staff.
I reckon if you don't need the facilites, go somewhere cheaper or go bush. But for a great famliy park with good facilities, try a Big 4
Cheers'
Brian
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Actually, that Cairns Coconut was the dearest park we found anywhere in the country ;D We stayed there for 4 days and it pissed down the whole time. I made my then 13 yo daughter take 2 hour hot hot hot showers just to feel as though we were getting some value :angel: :cup: She didn't complain :D Not since I made her brother and her swim in the pools and jump on the bubbles even when it was cold and raining :cup:
Fantastic attitude to water use, you showed them ???
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We wouldnt stay in one for an overnighter but for an extended stay with 3 young kids we are happy to pay the extra coin for the facilities and the entertainment to keep the kids occupied they definately have there place
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My wife & I stay away from parks that aren't dog friendly (even if we're traveling ourselves). Would prefer to support the guys that welcome our 4 legged mates :)
So no Big4 for us.
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jeez for 120 bucks a night ide be leaving with a weeks supply of toilet paper a coke bottle full of soap ,a stack of brochures for starting the camp fire and asking one of the ladies to behing the counter to give me and the missus a masage . ;D
outrages .
craig
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I dont know where your going to be charged $120 a night we are staying at a big4 on the NSW mid coast on the beach at a powered sight for $44 a night in the school holidays
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Harrington big4 is over $100 per night in holiday season for a powered grass site and it is a minimum of 2 or 3 days.
Out of holiday time you would get the same spot for $35
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I dont know where your going to be charged $120 a night we are staying at a big4 on the NSW mid coast on the beach at a powered sight for $44 a night in the school holidays
Bright in peak holiday season. When quoted the price I asked if that was for two sites, and was politely told it was for one only.
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That was 120 bucks for an un powered site at a park without a pool from memory GD
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That was 120 bucks for an un powered site at a park without a pool from memory GD
Yeah that's right. Unpowered piece of grass, and if we wanted a swim we had to go to the council pool outside the park.
To be accurate the price quoted was $117.00 (with a 10% Big4 members discount), so that would have been $130.00 full price (2 x adults and 2 x teenage kids).
What amazed me was the park was almost full, so there are plenty of people out there prepared to pay.
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My wife & I stay away from parks that aren't dog friendly (even if we're traveling ourselves). Would prefer to support the guys that welcome our 4 legged mates :)
So no Big4 for us.
X2 for us and they are few and far between. We found a great one at Caloundra that will do us fine when we get the urge to go to the coast. Have stayed at Treasure Island Big 4 on Gold Coast when we had the billy lids, they absolutly loved it. So they have a place, just not for everyone.
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When at the Melbourne Caravan and camping show we were told that from July 1st Big
$4 parks will be able to have dogs. Not sure if it was all parks though.
Regards
Crisp Image
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When at the Melbourne Caravan and camping show we were told that from July 1st Big $4 parks will be able to have dogs. Not sure if it was all parks though.
Up to the park owners discretion I believe
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We stayed in the Big 4 Cairns Coconut Holiday Resort for a few nights on our way back from up the Cape.
That's just down the road from our house. It's expensive, yes, but for kids it's a wonderful place. Friends of ours book an unpowered site for the night there, but don't actually bother about taking their tent. They use the facilities all day - kids have a ball. Then go home for dinner and to sleep, and come back the next morning for a couple of hours play. It's a cheap water-park weekend for them, and the kids have a blast. They don't do it every weekend, but occasionally it's great.
I don't think it's just the Big4 parks that are expensive, although they're probably the most visible. We've stayed at three independent places in the last 9 months - two proper caravan parks (one in SEQ, one up here) and just a general camping spot. Each of them has been over $30/night for a basic, unpowered patch of grass. A powered site is usually only $5 more, which I find confusing, but I guess you're paying for the floorspace, not necessarily the power.
I suspect it's just the way the market is going. If people will pay the $30/night, then as a park owner you'd be silly to charge less. Their costs are probably going up all the time as well.
Thanks!
Matto :)
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I notice there are a few here that don't like parks without dogs. If you are ever up that way, can i recommend the Beachcomber at Cardwell. It's a beautiful tidy park, nice pool for kids and adults, pet friendly, happy hour every day at the bar over looking the beach, and the owners (Graeme and Sandy) are the loveliest people you would meet. We were there over christmas and new years in a fishermans cabin and they've got us for life now ;D
As for the big 4 parks, lesson learned, i'll stay away from Rocky now. Cania is dear too, $48 a night but at least it's powered and there's a jumping pillow that will keep the kids going for hours. When there's choices and i'm a bit better set up, the parks can get stuffed if we don't have to stay there and we'll just go down the creek for the night or weekend.
Listo
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If you are ever up that way, can i recommend the Beachcomber at Cardwell.
Not trying to be funny Listo, but do you know if it's still there?
It sounds like a nice place for a quick getaway, but I know a lot of the businesses in Cardwell (especially those along the front) have taken such a bettering earlier this year that the owners have given up and won't be rebuilding. It's sad, because Cardwell is such a picturesque spot, but I can't say I blame them. To have spent to much hard work and tears after Larry rebuilding, only to have your hard work destroyed overnight again - the psychological toll that must take on people is immense.
If they are still operating, I'd like to get down and support them.
Thanks!
Matto :)
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I'm pretty sure they are Matto, I've seen a few articles of them rebuilding again. Bloody hope so, that would be one of two of my favorite holiday spots
Listo
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I'm pretty sure they are Matto, I've seen a few articles of them rebuilding again. Bloody hope so, that would be one of two of my favorite holiday spots
Listo
Excellent. Good on them then. With a rap like that, I think we'll need to check it out in the near future then.
Hey - quick general question on pet-friendly parks - are everyone's dogs well behaved? What if you're *ahem* the one with the bad dogs? Are only good dogs allowed? ;D I'd love to take ours with us some day, but they're a little too friendly and inquisitive - any person needs to be asked for a pat, and any possum/cat/shadow needs to be investigated and, if found troublesome, barked at.
Thanks!
Matto :)
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When we were there, we had a 6mth old Great Dane pup... Not the best idea. Our first night there, we went to IGA for half an hour. Sandy called near the end and said we need to get back as she was going mental. We couldn't leave her for 5 mins without her barking up a storm so we ended up putting her in a kennel for the week... That was our first and last experience with taking a dog to a park with us
Listo
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Here is BIG4's response to my question re dogs, 8)
BIG4 has decided to allow BIG4 Holiday Parks the option to accept dogs from 1 July 2011. While some BIG4 Holiday Parks will decide to welcome dogs in their park, not all BIG4 Parks will accept dogs. Parks that choose to accept dogs are required to go through a qualification process to ensure dog-specific infrastructure is in place to meet BIG4’s high quality standards. We pride ourselves on the high standards, great facilities and friendly and welcoming environment of BIG4 Holiday Parks and have quality control measures in place to ensure these standards are met – and that will not change. Detailed information will be available on BIG4.com.au in late June. :cheers: :cheers: