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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Johnno convert on March 26, 2011, 02:29:58 PM
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Hi all
Just interested at what other people are getting (L/100 KM) whilst towing their CT. Please state what vehicle you are driving and what sort CT you are dragging behind.
I have noticed a big difference in economy from our old trailer that was running 4WD 235/75/15 or similar and our new one running light truck tyres 185/70/14.
We have a 3.8 Mitsi sedan and towing a Johnnos light off road deluxe. Best so far is 10.5L/100Km and worst 11.4L/100Km, mind you that was going up Mt Ousley and incorporated the Lakes Way hilly twisty bits just out of Buladelah. I reckon out west I could get really low 10's.
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Mate
My 1hz cruizer towing a Krumberley gets between 18 and 25 l/100k. It has a 280l tank and i have spent $500 filling it up. So i would take your 11.4, smile and enjoy seeing Australia with your camper...
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Prado D4D, 11 normally, 12-13 towing the Tambo, 13-14 towing the Goldstream, 15 towing with the 2nd spare tyre on the roof. Worst case economy gives me 1200 klm range ;D
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Yikes Darren!! :'( I hope you have shares in a fuel company or are related to some mega rich Sheik!!
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No but when i see pictures of baby seals dying due to global warming i know its worth it...
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Prado D4D, 11 normally, 12-13 towing the Tambo, 13-14 towing the Goldstream, 15 towing with the 2nd spare tyre on the roof. Worst case economy gives me 1200 klm range ;D
I am thinking a bigger tank would be good too or maybe an auxiliary one.
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My GQ Patrol TD42T auto with Trackabout 2 adults 3 kids and associated bits and pieces gets about 18lt-20lt per hundred on 265/75/16 AT's.
Not even my Calais sport wagon gets 10.5lt per hundred during the week :'(
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I am thinking a bigger tank would be good too or maybe an auxiliary one.
I have factory 180L capacity :)
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GU IV Patrol 4.2TDI 14-15l/100ks, towing a KK ltd (probably weighing around 1.5 ton "wet") around 18l/100ks both tug and Kamper running 285/75/16 (33") AT tyres.
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62 series cruiser, highway.................13L/100Km
With 1.5t camper, highway................16L/100Km
Cruiser is about 2.6t & manual on 35in muds ;D
I'm happy with that, :cheers:
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We get between 14-16l/100kms towing our tambo, which weighs in at 1100kgs.We have 285/75 Mtr tyres.Not bad considering all the gear on the cruiser but I always drive at no more than 95km/hr and never tow in 5th gear.
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My GQ Patrol TD42T auto with Trackabout 2 adults 3 kids and associated bits and pieces gets about 18lt-20lt per hundred on 265/75/16 AT's.
Not even my Calais sport wagon gets 10.5lt per hundred during the week :'(
Thanks jtraf you just made me feel better....my 4.2TD (non turbo) Maverick manual is getting those same figures towing our 1.2T CT all fully laden and running 33" tyres. I thought there was something wrong with it...now I'm not thinking so.
Normally around town it will do 12.5 to 13 per 100k and anly a tad better on the highway (not towing). I found that speed makes a difference too so we sit on around 90 to 95 on the open road.
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My 1HZ cruiser (no turbo) get 17L per hundred towing the camprite. Doesnt seem to get any worse than this though.
It's about 14 L per hundred without the camper. Doesnt get driven much without the camper though.
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06 GU Wagon 4.2L Turbo Diesel, ally roof rack with High lift Jack and Shovel on the side & awning, running 33inch Cooper STT's, Dual Spare wheel carrier, ARB Steel Bullbar, Blackwidow drawers with 40L Engel in the back and 2 dogs and 2 adults, about 14-15L/100km not towing, with Adventure GT Camper Trailer (heavy) currently running 31 inch Mickey T's ATZ usually stacked with firewood, about 16-18km/100km.
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Mate
My 1hz cruizer towing a Krumberley gets between 18 and 25 l/100k. It has a 280l tank and i have spent $500 filling it up. So i would take your 11.4, smile and enjoy seeing Australia with your camper...
I always thought the 1HZ's were better than that and I was looking to change over to a diesel or Turbo diesel. My 80 series with a 1FZFE goes about 28 litres to the 100km on either petrol or lpg when towing the camper and runs around 24 l/100km without. I have just advanced my timing to see if it can get down around 20-22, even if it doesn't it has lots more poke for doing it so I am happy as long as the milage doesn't get worse.
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I always thought the 1HZ's were better than that and I was looking to change over to a diesel or Turbo diesel. My 80 series with a 1FZFE goes about 28 litres to the 100km on either petrol or lpg when towing the camper and runs around 24 l/100km without. I have just advanced my timing to see if it can get down around 20-22, even if it doesn't it has lots more poke for doing it so I am happy as long as the milage doesn't get worse.
Years ago when i had a f100 with a trick 302 to tow my race car i set up a dual stage dizzy that uses a solinoid and vacum to change the timing whan yo went to gas.
On my car the 35's are the killer, and how high the car is. Its slow and uses heaps of juce. The motor runs as sweet as a 1hz turbo can but its just slow...... Goes ok in the scrub though..
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My ML Triton, 3.2 TD Manual with a chip it chip averaged 10.2 per 100 when towing the camper trailer, Softfloor offroad camper, 700kg empty
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ML 3.2 DID Triton manual with a mild lift, and 245 x 75 BFG KM2's, some ARB bar work and a dual battey under bonnet gets between 9 - 10 litres per hundred on the hwy, bout the same around town. Throw the roof rack on with the shovel and awning, add the loaded Trackabout on the back and that pushes out to between 11.5 to 13 litres per hundred. All these figures are with four onboard and my two friendly 40 litre Engels.
As others have mentioned I travel at no more than 95kph and use 5th gear only when appropriate. As with most diesels, the econemy gets better the longer the motor is running, the DID loves the long trips :cup:
Cheers,
Disco.
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That's mt setup below, but the furthest trip I've towed is about 1/2 tanks worth so far, so no real reading yet :(
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ML 3.2 DID Triton manual with a mild lift, and 245 x 75 BFG KM2's, some ARB bar work and a dual battey under bonnet gets between 9 - 10 litres per hundred on the hwy, bout the same around town. Throw the roof rack on with the shovel and awning, add the loaded Trackabout on the back and that pushes out to between 11.5 to 13 litres per hundred. All these figures are with four onboard and my two friendly 40 litre Engels.
As others have mentioned I travel at no more than 95kph and use 5th gear only when appropriate. As with most diesels, the econemy gets better the longer the motor is running, the DID loves the long trips :cup:
Cheers,
Disco.
Great to tow with these ML's
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Great to tow with these ML's
Nice looking CT you got there bobnrob,
She looks like an off roader & so I guess one day there'll be a 4x4 towing it? :D
I started my camping the opposite way...4x4 towing an onroad CT. Eventually the bug bit & the confidence was up enough for me to venture further down those rougher tracks to delightful camping spots. ;D
Happy trails - Wayne
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Best so far is 10.5L/100Km and worst 11.4L/100Km, mind you that was going up Mt Ousley and incorporated the Lakes Way hilly twisty bits just out of Buladelah. I reckon out west I could get really low 10's.
No one likes a show off! ;)
Reckon my best is around 12-13.
:cheers:
Craig
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We have a ML 08 GLXR with racks and flat basket, lift, tyres and barwork get around 13l/100 around town and about 15l/100 with the trackabout and the awning, shovel and jack on the roof.
Tried one of those chip it chips and diesel went thru the roof some weeks we were getting 350-400 kms out of a 75l tank tried changing settings
no good blew s*%$ loads of smoke just cruising along the highway biggest waste of money i have spent in a while >:(.
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NS Paj DID Manual 9.3/100 is average, 8.7/100 on a trip was the best, 10.8/100 pulling CT at 100kmh on sealed road, more like 12.5/100 pn dirt.
If my ML triton is anything to go by this should get better still.
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Mate
My 1hz cruizer towing a Krumberley gets between 18 and 25 l/100k. It has a 280l tank and i have spent $500 filling it up. So i would take your 11.4, smile and enjoy seeing Australia with your camper...
This is one of the reasons why I got rid of mine... We used to average around 16.6 with 50/50 suburb and highway.
We now have a 3L TD 2010 hilux and with stock standard tyres we get around 8.5L around town with no air con, 9.5 with air con. Towing lifestyle extenda with 265/75R16 MT's we get around 10L/100 around town... One very happy camper! (pun intended!)
BJ
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I am going to sound a bit ignorant but what is a 1hz apart from being 1 hertz. they seem as thirsty as all get out.
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1hz is a reliable old school motor. It powers a vehicle that is big and has plenty of room. Don't try and compare it to a small/medium sized vehicle. Mine returns 17L ph towing and I got roof rack, drawers and 33's ect and it's always loaded to the hilt. I recon it's doing ok fuel wise.
We also own a CRDI upspec Terracan that returns 8L per hundred and has plenty of power but it does not even get a look in for our trips away.
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I am going to sound a bit ignorant but what is a 1hz apart from being 1 hertz. they seem as thirsty as all get out.
Xtrailer,
They are the 4.0L diesel engine found in the old 80 series land cruiser. Don't get me wrong, they are a solid motor, but can be very thirsty - like mine was.
BJ
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No one likes a show off! ;)
Reckon my best is around 12-13.
:cheers:
Craig
Remember I have a sedan not an urban assault vehicle lol. that would make a lot of difference
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thanks for the education. That will be one motor I WONT be buying lol.
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Xtrailer,
They are the 4.0L diesel engine found in the old 80 series land cruiser. Don't get me wrong, they are a solid motor, but can be very thirsty - like mine was.
BJ
Well, not quite right. They are a 4.2 lt natrually aspirated diesel engine that was built to last, unlike these new common rail engines.
They were found in 80 and 105 series cruisers as well as troopys and tray backs.
I reacon around 16l/100kms isnt to bad considering the large vehicle they are, usually with camper on back and modified to the hilt(as most are).
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I have a 4L Prado V6. bullbar, BFG 270/70/17 tyres. I get 18-20 l/100km fully laden with the CT on the back. Worst I got was 26 driving from Coober Pedy to Port Augusta into a headwind all day. Normally get 16-17 driving around town in Sydney peakhour traffic on the M2.
Mal
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Boy am I glad I didnt get a 100 series as a daily drive. Diesel prices now would be killing me. >:(
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We have a 3.5 litre petrol auto Monterey (Jackaroo with gay alloys), and drag a 1.25 tonne loaded CT.
We recently got 65mpg ( I need to reset the scangauge to metric) on a run of 6 kilometres, boy was I impressed, but that is only coming down the Toowoomba range towards Brisbane.
The rest of the time we average 15 to 16 l/100k travelling around 90kph on real roads, but that jumps to 18l/100k at 100kph.
Dirt roads are around 15l/100k at 80kph, probably due to corrugations and tyre slip, and roads around St George returns around 45 litres/100k, because the bumps are so bad, the revs increase significantly when all the wheels are off the ground.
The vehicle has a snorkel for improved breathing, and the exhaust restrictors are removed and a semi sports muffler installed for improved flatulence relief.
Head winds, hills etc obviously results in worse figures.
Cheers
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Hi xtrailer,
I have a 2010 Triton GLX-R, stock tyres and same CT as you. Last trip was from Liverpool area to Lake Conjola and back up to Maitland area (CT attached the whole time). Achieved approx 10-10.8lt/100kms (Mt Ousley included in this trip plus F3 doing between 90-110kms/hr).
Generally get about 7-9lt/100km without CT depending on destination.
TJ ;D
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Hi
I have a 120 D4D 3ltr Prado and tow a Jayco outback Dove. Fully loaded, tank full of water, bikes on back, and with a roof rack on the Prado carrying spare wheel, we get 15-16 ltrs per 100kms. We are not retired yet so don't have time to drive at 80kms p/hr, we drive to the speed limit. So, basically happpy, but if we were not so hamstrung with time, would love to discover what we could actually get by slowing down. Michael
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Our Disco diesel was getting around 15l to 17l/100k until we found a problem with the power upgrade file we had been using, so we emaled the company and they sent us out a new file, now it's back to normal, depending on the terrain and my right boot, between 12l to 15l/100k 3" over size tyres, 1.4t camper, not bad I think.
Baz.
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by Blinky Bill
Nice looking CT you got there bobnrob,
She looks like an off roader & so I guess one day there'll be a 4x4 towing it?
Sold as semi off-road Wayne - means it has an extra leaf in the springs ::) :laugh:
No 4x4 down the road, minister reckons she'd never see me >:D
But will be going for something with more ground clearence so we don't have to stick to the black ribbon. Something along the lines of Outlander, Territory etc
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Well, not quite right. They are a 4.2 lt natrually aspirated diesel engine that was built to last, unlike these new common rail engines.
They were found in 80 and 105 series cruisers as well as troopys and tray backs.
I reacon around 16l/100kms isnt to bad considering the large vehicle they are, usually with camper on back and modified to the hilt(as most are).
stand corrected re the size... All I know is it sucked a lot of juice around town! :)
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We have a 3.5 litre petrol auto Monterey (Jackaroo with gay alloys), and drag a 1.25 tonne loaded CT.
We recently got 65mpg ( I need to reset the scangauge to metric) on a run of 6 kilometres, boy was I impressed, but that is only coming down the Toowoomba range towards Brisbane.
LOL Funny man. I could do better than than down Mt Ousley I bet as the fuel will turn off on the decent down hill runs. Without the CT on the back I get around 8.5 or less dependent on the terrain. The best I have got out of the 3.8L is 7.9L/100 on a run down the F3 to Sydney, but I reckon I could do better on the level road out west.
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Prado 150 D4D, Towing the camper (900-1000kg) for 500k out of 1100 we got around 11l/100km
Got a trip coming up where we will tow for all the trip and will see then. But for now happy, very happy
Regards
Crisp Image
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You would be happy with those figures in a Prado. What did you do on the other 600kms?
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I have a 4L Prado V6. bullbar, BFG 270/70/17 tyres. I get 18-20 l/100km fully laden with the CT on the back. Worst I got was 26 driving from Coober Pedy to Port Augusta into a headwind all day. Normally get 16-17 driving around town in Sydney peakhour traffic on the M2.
Mal
I have a 3.0 D4D 08 Prado and I get aroung 10.5 -11 l/100 not towing, but with roof rack siting on 110km/h all day. Goes up to about 11.5 in the city. Towing the KK and follu loaded from a holiday into head wind up toward Roxby with kids push bikes on the roofrack we get about 14 l/100. Add to that roadworks in western Victoria last week and we got our worst even of 15.8 l/100. Head wind, constant stopping and starting and long sections of 40km/h, not good for fuel consumption.
One thing I did notice with the Prado is the day we added the roof rack our average consumption jumped by about 1.5 l/100.
We also have a 2.8D 97 Hilux that we towed our old 700kg soft floor camper and when we hit head winds we would use up to 16.5 l/100 and max speen would be around 80km/h. So quite happy with the Prado even though it is not as bullet proof as the old motors were. The old motors might use more, but we had water above the stearing wheel inside the Hilux some years back and she still ran and runs even today. The guy down the street drove his on 3 cylinders in 45C heat for 270km to get home. Can't do that with modern cars.
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Hi xtrailer,
I have a 2010 Triton GLX-R, stock tyres and same CT as you. Last trip was from Liverpool area to Lake Conjola and back up to Maitland area (CT attached the whole time). Achieved approx 10-10.8lt/100kms (Mt Ousley included in this trip plus F3 doing between 90-110kms/hr).
Generally get about 7-9lt/100km without CT depending on destination.
TJ ;D
That is fantastic. I take it that it is a diesel? We wouldn't mind a 4WD for our big trip but were turned off by the fuel consumption figures. Having said that, that may be a 2WD triton too.
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Our Disco diesel was getting around 15l to 17l/100k until we found a problem with the power upgrade file we had been using, so we emaled the company and they sent us out a new file, now it's back to normal, depending on the terrain and my right boot, between 12l to 15l/100k 3" over size tyres, 1.4t camper, not bad I think.
Baz.
3L/100K is a significant difference over a tank. I bet you notice the difference in the hip pocket too with fuel prices being what they are! So much for technology sometimes lol!!
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Towing the KK and follu loaded from a holiday into head wind up toward Roxby with kids push bikes on the roofrack we get about 14 l/100. Add to that roadworks in western Victoria last week and we got our worst even of 15.8 l/100. Head wind, constant stopping and starting and long sections of 40km/h, not good for fuel consumption.
One thing I did notice with the Prado is the day we added the roof rack our average consumption jumped by about 1.5 l/100.
I am not a fan of roof racks for that reason as it knocks the drag coefficient ratio to the billyo. Even if you have a rack on the CT it is better. You can make a pretty cheap wind deflector too for the trailer which will help with fuel consumption.
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3L/100K is a significant difference over a tank. I bet you notice the difference in the hip pocket too with fuel prices being what they are! So much for technology sometimes lol!!
Yes we do, I think that the first file he sent was more about power and not about torque for towing, at the moment we are looking like our fuel economy without the camper is going to be a very good tank, this new file seems to have more torque, it's down a bit on excelleration, but seems to hold the hills a bit better, will be interesting to see how the economy turns out.
The reason for the power upgrade, was because of the increase in tyre size and the weight of the camper, winch, roof racks, drawers in the back, it's amazing how much you loose when adding all these things.
Baz.
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Thanks jtraf you just made me feel better....my 4.2TD (non turbo) Maverick manual is getting those same figures towing our 1.2T CT all fully laden and running 33" tyres. I thought there was something wrong with it...now I'm not thinking so.
Normally around town it will do 12.5 to 13 per 100k and anly a tad better on the highway (not towing). I found that speed makes a difference too so we sit on around 90 to 95 on the open road.
Hey Vince,
My beast usually goes through 15-16lt around town unladen. Have always looked at the guys driving manuals reporting between 10lt and 14lt per hundred and it makes me cringe.....Mine being auto does not gear it up for the same economy and it works harder when loaded. It doesn't help that it has all the offroad gear installed as well as a 3in lift.....With the loaded trailer in tow I usually sit at around 90-100kays max but will be looking into diff ratio change in the coming months and a jump to 285/75/16 muds for an up coming trip....
Have looked at other more frugal cars but they will cost me a lot out of pocket and I own the GQ outright....it is low kays just over 200k......it it reliable......it is mechanical not electrical.........it does what I need it to do even thoguh it chews more feul.....
Looked at a new 76series which was just under $70k drive away........but $70k buys a lot of deisel for the Patrol!!!
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Hi xtrailer.
You could always get a Prius with a motorbike trailer to tow the camping gear behind. That would be good on fuel. Especially if you dont drive faster that 60kph to the caravan park.
Just don't forget to put vasaline on the FM radio antenna. It helps the air slip around it and reduce drag.
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This is one of the reasons why I got rid of mine... We used to average around 16.6 with 50/50 suburb and highway.
We now have a 3L TD 2010 hilux and with stock standard tyres we get around 8.5L around town with no air con, 9.5 with air con. Towing lifestyle extenda with 265/75R16 MT's we get around 10L/100 around town... One very happy camper! (pun intended!)
BJ
I have gone the other way as I use to own a 4 cylinder Turbo Diesel ute which gave an average economy around 9L per 100kms around town and without the Camper attached.
This was a fantastic 4WD, but when towing the Camper I didn’t feel confident doing remote trips as just didn’t have the torque for long soft sand patches. Also on the road the trailer bounced the ute around and felt like it was the tail wagging the dog so to say.
I have since changed to a Landcruiser with the 1HZ which gives 12L around town and enough torque to feel confident to tackle these long soft sand patches with ease. Also on the road the bouncing has reduced to what you expect from towing a trailer.
Yes the 1HZ is a old fashion slug, but it’s a reliable slug which that just keeps on going.
Seeing my do a lot of beach driving I don’t keep economy records when towing as the sand throws the economy out. We also run the motor at night for the showers via the heat exchange which also eats into the fuel.
But we all have our reasons :D
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You would be happy with those figures in a Prado. What did you do on the other 600kms?
Round town and to work and stuff. We live in a country city. So it is not really city driving.
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Driving the Surf with it's 1KZTE 3.0 engine, turbo diesel with D-Gas, we manage to do 10l/100km not towing.
Towing our KK Sports Limited Edition over Xmas, on bitumen and gravel was 15l/100km.
When towing over soft sand, corrugations (I don't like them) it was 18l/100km.
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I have a 3.0 D4D 08 Prado and I get aroung 10.5 -11 l/100 not towing, but with roof rack siting on 110km/h all day. Goes up to about 11.5 in the city. Towing the KK and follu loaded from a holiday into head wind up toward Roxby with kids push bikes on the roofrack we get about 14 l/100.
Pretty much the same with ours, bout 10-11 l/100kms not towing and about 13-14 l/100kms towing the 1500kg Trackabout. Not driving like a granny and setting cruise at 115 on the freeway and 105 on Pac Hwy.
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Based on what I read, the 16 year old Surf isn't much different then the newer Prado's.
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We were getting 11.2 L/100K and 14.2 L/100K whilst towing 1400Kg.
However with the new 275/65/17 tyres we are now using 12.2 L/100K.
I imagine we will use around 15L/100K whilst towing.
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Hi xtrailer.
You could always get a Prius with a motorbike trailer to tow the camping gear behind. That would be good on fuel. Especially if you dont drive faster that 60kph to the caravan park.
Just don't forget to put vasaline on the FM radio antenna. It helps the air slip around it and reduce drag.
HOW DARE YOU USE THE "P" WORD ON THIS FORUM!! LOL ;D ;D Ok point taken but I think that there is a lot to be said about economy.
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Hi all. Seeing as we have now bought a Johnnos and selling the Xtrail I thought a name change was in order so I am now a "Johnnos convert".
Cheers
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FYI You cant get a tow bar for the car that starts with a "P"
My parents have one and they had their old trailer towed to the tip and left it there!
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Hi Crisp Image
I thought that was the case, as I have a Hybrid Camry, and I cannot even have a tow bar fitted to carry the bikes on. we had to get roof racks. Camry now 1 yr old and roof-racks still in the original boxes. Just as easy to drive the Prado.
Michael
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Reply by Johnno Convert - That is fantastic. I take it that it is a diesel? We wouldn't mind a 4WD for our big trip but were turned off by the fuel consumption figures. Having said that, that may be a 2WD triton too.
Hi Johnno Convert,
4x4 Diesel and it was in 4wd the whole time due to wet weather BUT there was no off road during this trip (I usually drive around in 2wd unless raining).
I am really pleased with consumption as my last car was a Surbaru Forester XT Turbo (premium unleaded) >:(. Didn't take me long to alter my driving to suit a Diesel).
TJ ;D
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Your all soft, I'm still winning ;D
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I run a 1HZ landcruiser set up similar to laith and probably get similar economy strangely. My previous vehicle was a 3Lt GU patrol auto and it was about 11-12lph daily and about 14 with the camper on the back. My best run with it was 420klms on 50 lts of diesel but i was travelling behind a 22 foot caravan for most of that.
Your all soft, I'm still winning ;D
I reckon my wife's 3.4 Prado would give you a run for your money with the camper on the back. I reckon the fuel gauge moved slightly slower than the second hand on the clock.
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Boy am I glad I didnt get a 100 series as a daily drive. Diesel prices now would be killing me. >:(
We also spend a lot of time enjoying the roadworks on the M2, its certainly increased our fuel consumption since they started the "upgrade"
We have a auto Pathfinder and generally do around 13km/100 around town, towing the Jayco Eagle outback can vary consumption from 12km/100 for freeway to around 15km/100 for hills and dirt roads.
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ML Triton DC Auto 3.2L Diesel tray-back, pulling a 2010 Lifestyle Extenda trailer. CT tyres are Mud Terrains, ute tyres are currently factory Bridgestone Dueler H/T's but we're going to D694LT Dueler A/T's later in the year. All gear, with the exception of a big orange Tropical Esky, goes into the CT.
We get between 10.2L/100km on highway & sealed Rds (80-110km/h), and it goes up to 12L and sometimes hits 13L/100km on dirt & unsealed roads. It's gotta be slow-going and hilly for us to go above 13L (i.e Forest Roads, stoney tracks in 4H; and serious hill climbs/range crossings)
I've never taken the CT on sand (i.e. Fraser Is), but the Triton would always suffer when loaded up pre-CT and economy would go up into the high-teens/low-20'sL/100km with the tray-back loaded up. With the CT carrying it all, I'm predicting high-teens on the sand if the tyres are set correctly all-round.
We're pretty chuffed with the economy.. It'll serve us well when we do long around oz style trips.
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Got these stats from Gas Cubby app on my iPhone This is a mix of towing and not towing so happy with that :cheers:
Max 11.41 L/100Km
Min 9.43 L/100Km
Average 10.20 L/100Km
Total Cost $645.10
Total Km 4502
Total Ltrs 459
Total fills 8
Total Days 53
Cost per Km $0.14
Cost / Ltr $1.41
Cost / Day $12.17
Cost / Fill $80.64
Ltrs / Fill 57.38
Km / Fill 562.75
Km / Day 84.94
6.98 Km / $
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Recently went to Bundaberg and back. 700 km. Sat on 100/110 mms. 4 people in car, air condition on, towing vacationer off road CT with a new Subaru outback diesel. Got 8.4 l/100 km. Was really happy with that.
Mark
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Recently went to Bundaberg and back. 700 km. Sat on 100/110 mms. 4 people in car, air condition on, towing vacationer off road CT with a new Subaru outback diesel. Got 8.4 l/100 km. Was really happy with that.
Mark
That is almost a third the amount that Burnsy uses in his fuel blackhole!!
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That is almost a third the amount that Burnsy uses in his fuel blackhole!!
I would hazzard a guess that 4 people in Burnsy's rig would be more comfortable and have more room for their gear than in the Subaru not to mention how the Subaru would handle towing the weight of a full sized camper.
And then theres the issue of how a subie would go keeping up with Burnsy's in some rough stuff.
Cruisers have proven themselves to last the test of time. I rather pay more for fuel.
You should really be trying to compare apples with apples.
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We all have reasons for what vehicle we use to tow our campers/caravans with and economy is one variable. Of course a road based vehicle is going to give better economy than a large 4WD.
But comfort, amount of boot space and the cars towing ability should also come into play.
Big 4wds are going to cost more to run, but if you want to camp at remote places then you have no choice and that’s the price you pay. But if you never venture off-road then you get the privilege of a small car which is going to cost less to run.
I get the bus to work each day so my cruiser sits in the garage 5 days per week, so economy was put behind comfort, enough boot space to cater for wife & 2 kids, towing & 4WD ability.
Everything is life is a trade off.
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Too true. You do have to weigh everything and I wasn't meaning to come across as a cruiser basher or large fourbie for that matter, as long as they get dirty now and then!! Maybe when we get to retirement and join the grey nomads ranks, we will get a fourbie (a real one that is). It is amazing how many places you can go in a 2wd vehicle though
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It is amazing how many places you can go in a 2wd vehicle though
Fully agree, before I was married with kids we got older model Falcons and Holden’s towing boats into some unbelievable places. But we normally had 4 guys in the car to push or dig us out when we got bogged.
Now with a wife & 2 young kids, getting bogged would not be an enjoyable experience. :D
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I remember seeing a "soft roader" RAV4 one of the earlier models that had gone on the beach near mungo brush and totally toasted his clutch. I think it was part inexperience and part under engineering. Like anything you have to drive to the conditions and the vehicle (unlike the French tourist in a 4WD van on Samurai Beach recently who paid with his life).
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Recently went to Bundaberg and back. 700 km. Sat on 100/110 mms. 4 people in car, air condition on, towing vacationer off road CT with a new Subaru outback diesel. Got 8.4 l/100 km. Was really happy with that.
Mark
That's pretty good considering a friend of ours with the same car gets around those figures without towing 8)
Baz.
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Figures for the Sigma, towing a KK........13 - 13.5l/hk......and thats sitting on 110 -120 k/ph and no pussy footing around going up hills etc.....just set the cruise and let it dump the fuel in if it has to !!
Now I have a chip in it, the figures seem a touch better, but haven't done any accurate ones yet ..
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Sigma ???
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Figures for the Sigma, towing a KK........13 - 13.5l/hk......and thats sitting on 110 -120 k/ph and no pussy footing around going up hills etc.....just set the cruise and let it dump the fuel in if it has to !!
Now I have a chip in it, the figures seem a touch better, but haven't done any accurate ones yet ..
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Gronk Dose the Sigma take the treg well ???
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Gronk Dose the Sigma take the treg well ???
Yep, no worries !! ;D But I must say .....it's the latest model Sigma !!!!!
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Just squeaked in there ;D
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Gee, some good numbers there. We get 16/100 towing the Jonnos and 22/100 across the Simpson
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Gee, some good numbers there. We get 16/100 towing the Jonnos and 22/100 across the Simpson
What sort of Johnnos you dragging around?
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Off Road Grand ???
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Yep, no worries !! ;D But I must say .....it's the latest model Sigma !!!!!
Oh that Sigma :D
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I'm still lost. Are you talking about an Outlander or Pajero.