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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Teabag on March 20, 2011, 10:35:26 AM
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Just out of curiosity, who's Axle is sprung over or under your leaf suspension? Also, is yours the upgrade 2ton suspension?
Now, the reason I ask is my Jayco Hawk outback and Nutto has exactly the same camper with only 10 or so difference in build number yet his is sprung over and mine under. This gives him an easy extra 3in in height. The only diff is mine is the 2ton suspension and was wondering if this is the norm or and Jayco, what ever works on the day type thing...... :cheers:
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A little confused now going outside and getting my head under the Jayco ???
Jayco specifically state that the Outbacks have the "Underslung axle" for improved Ground clearance, which is standard on the Outbacks as per the following pic.
(http://www.whiteheather.co.nz/jayco/campertrailers/images/2010-cmp-outback.jpg)
Mine is spring is under the axle. Think i better give Jayco a ring on monday >:(
This could get quiet messy as the annexe walls will then be too short if its fixed.
And as far as i know Jayco automatically upgrade the GVM when two water tanks are fitted, and having a look at the placard mine is not. Maybe they have placarded it wrong as Teabag you are saying you have the 2t upgrade and the axle is also over the spring.
Anyone know what the diiference is in the upgrade?
Teabag is there any chance you can count how many spring leafs you have, and possibly someone with the standard GVM?
In that case by the time the water tanks are filled i am stuffed!
Sorry for all the questions, i think you may have opened a can of worms.
BD
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My placard in the front boot states 2000kg and mine is 7 leaf springs but not sprung over as in your picture. I may have to call Jayco to see if this is what they do for the 2t suspension. Nutto's was an easy 3in higher.....
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When I ordered my Jayco I specifically asked for the 2 tonne axel upgrade, my dealer told me because that I'm going twin water tanks and a few other options that my hawk would be to heavy and that Jayco would upgrade the axel at no charge. If I specifically ordered it with axel upgrade it would cost me $400.00.
Seems to be a bit of a grey area.
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When I ordered my Jayco I specifically asked for the 2 tonne axel upgrade, my dealer told me because that I'm going twin water tanks and a few other options that my hawk would be to heavy and that Jayco would upgrade the axel at no charge. If I specifically ordered it with axel upgrade it would cost me $400.00.
Seems to be a bit of a grey area.
Yes, not really the query. I'm just trying to work out why some appear sprung and some are sprung over.......
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I have a 2010 Swan, but asked specifically for the axle to be underslung and u/g to 15" tyres for extra ground clearance, but this is not indicated on the placard for some reason? I also have 2 x tanks but don't recall anything regarding axle upgrades?
ATM: 1414kg
GTM: 1288kg
TARE: 1114kg
Axle load capacity: 1400kg
I have 6 x leafs fwiw
* Forgot to say that I have shocks fitted as well, not sure if this matters or not?!?!
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This will be an interesting thread to watch, wonder what sort of warranty work Jayco is going to be up for.
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Well, interesting results already. Might have to give Jayco a call with WTF......I want sprung over to gain the height........
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Turns out i have got the 2000kg axles, i just was not looking hard enough! And it has 8 Leafs.
I still might hit them up for a Payload upgrade.
(http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq272/jsouvas/placard.jpg)
Back on topic, look forward to Jayco's Response on this.
BD
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Turns out i have got the 2000kg axles, i just was not looking hard enough! And it has 8 Leafs.
I still might hit them up for a Payload upgrade.
(http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq272/jsouvas/placard.jpg)
Back on topic, look forward to Jayco's Response on this.
BD
Interesting, yours and mine have same payload but one is slung different to the other. When it goes in for warranty on the door, they can spring it over. >:(
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Mine was built 8/09 it is set up as per the picture Black Diamond Posted. My OB was standard and has an axle load capacity of 1600kg according to the compliance plate. Interestingly is it has a empty ball mass of 137kg and BD's has 133kg.
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Mine was underslung from factory.
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My 2005 dove outback is under slung standard from factory with a load rating of 1350 kg. :cheers:
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As per Black Diamonds posting "Outback" should have "Underslung" axles imagine my surprise when our Outback Expanda arrived without ??? I enquired about this with the dealer, who said it was something to do with legal coupling height requirments ??? go figure they run the same chassis as the campers just wider or longer as the case maybe.
At a show I looked under another the same model as ours, surprise surprise "NOT" underslung, then looked at a Sterling Outback dual axle. and it was underslug ???
My 06 Eagle was underslug
08 Swan was Simpicity
10 Expanda overslung
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G/day Teabag
Our 09 Swan O/B is over sprung 7 leafs and 2 rebound springs
Atm 1572 Gtm 1427 Tare Mass 1272
and the Empty Ball mass is different to yours and Black Diamonds our Mass Ball Weight 145 ?? don't know why they are different
Load Cap 1600
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(http://blkmav.com/images/worms.jpg)
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(http://blkmav.com/images/worms.jpg)
Thanks again for your valued input....... ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks again for your valued input....... ;D ;D ;D
No problem, I checked my Goldstream but it doesn't have an axle so that's all I had to add :)
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No problem, I checked my Goldstream but it doesn't have an axle so that's all I had to add :)
So, that makes you a post whore then. ;D
Wouldn't expect anything less from a Goldstream owner......... ;D
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Wouldn't the ball weight vary on models and accessory's, (1 or 2 gas bottles, pole carrier, 1 or 2 water tanks, battery's)
My 07 eagle O/B was under slung
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Our 08 hawk o/b is underslung
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My 10 eagle is underslung.
That lift will alter a few things?? Annex walls, hitch height, stonegaurd.
V8ute.
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So, that makes you a post whore then. ;D
Wouldn't expect anything less from a Goldstream owner......... ;D
I second that ;D post whore he is :cheers:
At least we get ours out you load and proud keyboard Camper! ;D ;D ;D
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Wouldn't expect anything less from a Goldstream owner......... ;D
You Jayco owners must be weird. What is an axel? Is that anything like an axle? ;D
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So, it seems that:
Outback with 1.5t axle has 7 leaf pack with axle underslung, which is what mine is.
Outback with 2.0t axle has 8 leaf pack with axle overslung, as per Teabags, BlackDiamond, which also results in 2-3 inches less height (which annoys Tbag no end >:D >:D).
This is all related to legal hitch height, which Jayco are quite anal about. I found this out way back when I was researching campers, and asked Jayco t'ville about underslinging a std on-road jayco, to which they said they would not do it as it would put the drawbar hitch height beyond the legal limit.
Now, the hitch height on my O/B is near on the upper legal limit of about 420mm above ground.
With a 2.0t axle (assume it is physically larger than a 1.5t) and the extra leaf (all of 6 odd mm), these must combine to put the drawbar over the legal height if it is underslung like mine, and I reckon this is the line that Jayco will push when you ask them about it.
One thing to remember about this whole hitch height thing is that it only talks about "towball" height. Nowhere in any of the literature does it mention or relate to couplings (Tregg, orac etc), so, Teabag, I reckon dig up some info on the legal ball heights and, if they take this line, hit them with the "but I don't have a towball, I have a coupling - the laws only talk about towballs" approach.
Until then, looks like you have 3 inches less than me!!!! ;D ;D ;D There's a reason why I walk they way I do LOL >:D
:cheers:
Nutto
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So, it seems that:
Outback with 1.5t axle has 7 leaf pack with axle underslung, which is what mine is.
Outback with 2.0t axle has 8 leaf pack with axle overslung, as per Teabags, BlackDiamond, which also results in 2-3 inches less height (which annoys Tbag no end >:D >:D).
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Hang on - I re read some of the thread - so TB, do you have 7 leafs on yours too? Does this count the first really short one at the base of the leaf pack? I did, and count 7 on mine.
If so, then you must have a different spring rate/curvature?
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Mine is spring is under the axle. Think i better give Jayco a ring on monday >:(
This could get quiet messy as the annexe walls will then be too short if its fixed.
And as far as i know Jayco automatically upgrade the GVM when two water tanks are fitted, and having a look at the placard mine is not. Maybe they have placarded it wrong as Teabag you are saying you have the 2t upgrade and the axle is also over the spring.
Anyone know what the diiference is in the upgrade?
Teabag is there any chance you can count how many spring leafs you have, and possibly someone with the standard GVM?
In that case by the time the water tanks are filled i am stuffed!
Sorry for all the questions, i think you may have opened a can of worms.
BD
Teabag, BD's is sprung the same as yours too, so it seems a std thing to do with 2t upgrade.
BD, mines as per the std jayco pic you posted, with 7 leaves (including the really short one at the base of the leaf pack).
:cheers:
Nutto
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;D Jayco are stumped and dont know what they are on about, they are trying to tell me that i was an option to get an underlung axle, when i told them they were wrong and the Outbacks are supposed to have it standard, they said that it was a dealer error and i need to speak to them which i did, and they checked every outback in the yard and they were underslung.
The Jayco dealer doesnt make these campers, Jayco themselves do so how is it the dealers fualt ???
Jayco were trying to tell me that the broschure didnt say anything about the underslung axle as standard which it clearly does. They had a look at the broschure whilst on the phone then they realised i was right. Stumped again.
I think Nutto is probably right, but Jayco need to specify that the 2ton axle option is not underslung if thats the case.
Im waiting for a return phone call so i will let you know how i go. ;D
Cheers
BD
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;D Jayco are stumped and dont know what they are on about, they are trying to tell me that i was an option to get an underlung axle, when i told them they were wrong and the Outbacks are supposed to have it standard, they said that it was a dealer error and i need to speak to them which i did, and they checked every outback in the yard and they were underslung.
The Jayco dealer doesnt make these campers, Jayco themselves do so how is it the dealers fualt ???
Jayco were trying to tell me that the broschure didnt say anything about the underslung axle as standard which it clearly does. They had a look at the broschure whilst on the phone then they realised i was right. Stumped again.
I think Nutto is probably right, but Jayco need to specify that the 2ton axle option is not underslung if thats the case.
Im waiting for a return phone call so i will let you know how i go. ;D
Cheers
BD
I also rang Jayco today but the dealership and what Nutto is saying is correct and the way our suspension is with 2t is correct but there should be a 50mm spacer to lift it up to a regular outback. I now have to check mine to see if 50mm spacer is fitted............ :cheers:
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I also rang Jayco today but the dealership and what Nutto is saying is correct and the way our suspension is with 2t is correct but there should be a 50mm spacer to lift it up to a regular outback. I now have to check mine to see if 50mm spacer is fitted............ :cheers:
Top Stuff Teabag, I might check it tonight as well.
:cheers:
Cheers
BD
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Nice detective work guys. I was researching on the net only a few days ago trying to find answers on this very topic. Bushman pointed this out to me on the weekend while i was crawling through his Expanda.
I thought at the time that even though the axle on the O/B expanda is overslung it still looked as high as my underslung O/B Hawk. I'll be interested to find out if it is actually the same or just in my head.
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Why do Jayco fit swing up jockey wheels on some outbacks and not on others.
Could this also be something to do with some having higher drawbars due to different spring set ups ? ???
Glenn :cheers:
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Why do Jayco fit swing up jockey wheels on some outbacks and not on others.
Could this also be something to do with some having higher drawbars due to different spring set ups ? ???
Glenn :cheers:
I found having a removable jockey wheel good as some places I set up there wasn't enough lift in the thread alone to level the van
so being able to move the whole jockey wheel in the bracket was a big help
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It's all got to do with overlay axles and straight axles. What you'll find is most Pop Top Jayco Outback units have 1600/2000kg straight axles due to their weight, however Camper are lighter so therefore only have overlay 1450/1600kg axles.
Some Hawk, Eagle, Swan & Flamingo's will be upgraded to 2000kg straight axles from 1600kg depending on the options fitted due the axle loading and braked capacity. This is also the case when you opt for larger rims and tyres due to braking capacity. The Flamingo ST is standard with a 2000kg straight axle due to the weight of the unit.
When Jayco believe a unit will be over weight they'll fit a 50mm packer with a 2000kg axle so the unit will have a legal loading and braking capacity. The 50mm packer is added to the chassis between the main members and the spring hangers to raise the unit as the straight axle drops the camper by 50mm. This will return the camper to standard Outback height.
A coupling CANNOT exceed 460mm whether it be a Trigg, Hyland or a standard ball setup.
Hope this helps.
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It's all got to do with overlay axles and straight axles. What you'll find is most Pop Top Jayco Outback units have 1600/2000kg straight axles due to their weight, however Camper are lighter so therefore only have overlay 1450/1600kg axles.
Some Hawk, Eagle, Swan & Flamingo's will be upgraded to 2000kg straight axles from 1600kg depending on the options fitted due the axle loading and braked capacity. This is also the case when you opt for larger rims and tyres due to braking capacity. The Flamingo ST is standard with a 2000kg straight axle due to the weight of the unit.
When Jayco believe a unit will be over weight they'll fit a 50mm packer with a 2000kg axle so the unit will have a legal loading and braking capacity. The 50mm packer is added to the chassis between the main members and the spring hangers to raise the unit as the straight axle drops the camper by 50mm. This will return the camper to standard Outback height.
A coupling CANNOT exceed 460mm whether it be a Trigg, Hyland or a standard ball setup.
Hope this helps.
Hey Macgyver nice work :cheers:
Im gunna pop my head out shortly and check :cheers:
cheers
BD
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It's all got to do with overlay axles and straight axles. What you'll find is most Pop Top Jayco Outback units have 1600/2000kg straight axles due to their weight, however Camper are lighter so therefore only have overlay 1450/1600kg axles.
Some Hawk, Eagle, Swan & Flamingo's will be upgraded to 2000kg straight axles from 1600kg depending on the options fitted due the axle loading and braked capacity. This is also the case when you opt for larger rims and tyres due to braking capacity. The Flamingo ST is standard with a 2000kg straight axle due to the weight of the unit.
When Jayco believe a unit will be over weight they'll fit a 50mm packer with a 2000kg axle so the unit will have a legal loading and braking capacity. The 50mm packer is added to the chassis between the main members and the spring hangers to raise the unit as the straight axle drops the camper by 50mm. This will return the camper to standard Outback height.
A coupling CANNOT exceed 460mm whether it be a Trigg, Hyland or a standard ball setup.
Hope this helps.
That's a pretty handy explanation, and only your second post on Myswag. Nice work. :cheers:
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Just had a look underneath.
Has the 50mm square tubing between the hanger and chassis which extends right back to the rear hanger so all looks to be in order :cheers:
(http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq272/jsouvas/20032011266.jpg)
(http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq272/jsouvas/20032011271.jpg)
Thanks CDB :cheers: Obviously i spoke to the wrong person at Jayco.
Ha Got ya! You work for Jayco! Check his Profile :cheers:
cheers BD ;D
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So, we now have a worker from Jayco on here. I hope he has a good sense of humour....... ;D
PS: Thanks for the good oil and insight. :cheers:
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You can't claim he works for Jayco just on the website in his profile ;D :police:
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Hey Guys... always happy to help with the small amount of knowledge I have ;D
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Hey Guys... always happy to help with the small amount of knowledge I have ;D
If a Jayco has a ATM of 1538 kgs should it have a 1500 kg axle or 2000 kg axle???
Cheers V8ute.
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Hey Guys... always happy to help with the small amount of knowledge I have ;D
Top Stuff mate :cheers:
Now get ready for the barrage of questions ............... :police:
All good mate thanks again ;D
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ATM includes the ball weight, work off the the GTM which is the Tare + Loading for the braked axle capacity. The GTM needs to equate to less than the axle rating.
I would assume the axle is a 1600kg axle but with 15" rims the braked capacity then drops to 1500kg so as long a the GTM is under this weight then that would be fine.
By the way i'm questioned out lol
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Thanks 4 your help/knowledge.
Cheers V8ute.
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OK, finally checked mine and yes it has the 50mm spacer the same as Black Diamonds but the thing I did notice was another spacer of about 20mm between the axel and spring? This would decrease height another 20mm and not sure why considering Nutto's is still at lease a couple of inches higher than mine......WTF..... ???
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The 20 mm spacer is a locator for the centerbolt on the springpack
20 mm spacer should be welded to the axle
:cheers:
Brett
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OK, finally checked mine and yes it has the 50mm spacer the same as Black Diamonds but the thing I did notice was another spacer of about 20mm between the axel and spring? This would decrease height another 20mm and not sure why considering Nutto's is still at lease a couple of inches higher than mine......WTF..... ???
Mine is 10mm and welded in place.
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OK, finally checked mine and yes it has the 50mm spacer the same as Black Diamonds but the thing I did notice was another spacer of about 20mm between the axel and spring? This would decrease height another 20mm and not sure why considering Nutto's is still at lease a couple of inches higher than mine......WTF..... ???
I would say that the 2000kg upgrade in this case is worth far more than just the axle. Having this section of chassis supported by the additional 50x50 tube is a real good thing given that it is the area that Jaycos have historically formed cracks in their chassis.
When ordering do you give Jayco your car hitch height? Your camper seems to sit level with your hitch height so maybe the packer was put in there by them to get to the level you needed. Another explanation could be that they work out spring compression with the van wet (all water tanks, gas bottles, batteries and jerry can holders full) and use packers to bring them to a standard height based on this. Are yours and Nuttos van exactly the same specs, if not I would suspect he has a higher wet weight and therefore did not warrant the packers? Then again maybe I am over complicating things and Jayco just do watever they feel like on the day >:D
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Teabag, remember that your van has been optioned to within an inch of its life and all the options add up in weight. You may find the alot of the height difference will have to do with spring compression even though these items have been factory fitted. Also depends on the amount personal gear you've added as Jayco allow 300kg for its camper range except for the Flamingo ST which has 375kg due to the shower & toilet.
Do both your's and Nutto's campers have 15" rims or does one have 16"s?
Jayco didn't get to be the company they are by doing whatever they like and in fact after owning three Jayco's I wouldn't own anything else ;D With the amount of Jayco owners on here... i'm not the only one who likes them :cup:
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I would say that the 2000kg upgrade in this case is worth far more than just the axle. Having this section of chassis supported by the additional 50x50 tube is a real good thing given that it is the area that Jaycos have historically formed cracks in their chassis.
When ordering do you give Jayco your car hitch height? Your camper seems to sit level with your hitch height so maybe the packer was put in there by them to get to the level you needed. Another explanation could be that they work out spring compression with the van wet (all water tanks, gas bottles, batteries and jerry can holders full) and use packers to bring them to a standard height based on this. Are yours and Nuttos van exactly the same specs, if not I would suspect he has a higher wet weight and therefore did not warrant the packers? Then again maybe I am over complicating things and Jayco just do watever they feel like on the day >:D
Hey Burnsy you might be on to something here :cheers:
I remember Jayco asking me what tug i have and they made a note on the order when it was sent to Jayco.
Maybe not relevant but CDBoi84 might be able to answer this.
cheers BD
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Do both your's and Nutto's campers have 15" rims or does one have 16"s?
Jayco didn't get to be the company they are by doing whatever they like and in fact after owning three Jayco's I wouldn't own anything else ;D With the amount of Jayco owners on here... i'm not the only one who likes them :cup:
Both are 15in.....
Not getting into a bagging this and that contest but just trying to clarify differences. Now, the height diff between the two is beyond noticable. Jayco got to the position buy providing a product at a reasonable price. The thing is, when you call the dealers, they don't have the answers to avert questions like this. Now, don't get me started onto build quality considering the van was new and had to wire up the fridge myself with dangerous wiring which has been reported to Jayco for action..(yes, built to a price)...Again, this wasn't meant to be a bagging Jayco thread but trying to find answers to questions that dealers couldn't answer...... ;D
Your input is valued and I'm glad someone from Jayco can answer the issues some of us have..... :cheers:
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Ok, a bit more background on Nutto's Hawk vs Teabags 'lowrider' Hawk >:D >:D ;D (settle down TB - longer shackles mate, prob solvered?... >:( )
My camper is basically stock. The tare is stamped at 1084kg with 129kg ball weight, with the all up allowable weight being 1384kg, so I have the minimum weights that are as per the jayco specs in the 2010 sales brochure
Teabags is about 250kg heavier than mine dry, hence the 2t upgrade.
We both have the same 15' rims.
My camper was not a special order, it arrived as dealer floor stock the day before I phoned up about it, therefore, it was not designed around the vehicle hitch height, which none seem to be anyway as these things are production line so can't see them making adjustments to hitches to suit vehicles. The dealers only ask what you have as a tug to make sure it is suitable for the job (how am i going cdboi84? - jump in if i'm barking up the wrong tree here.... ;D).
Now, remember how I was banging on about hitch heights earlier, & Cdboi84 confirmed the max height above ground is 460mm. Well, I made sure the camper was level, then took a measurement from the ground to the underside of the chassis at the a-frame drawbar (just in front of the jockey wheel) and low & behold, I am right on the legal max height of 460mm!! As seen in my sig pic, the rig is level
So, what is this height on BD & TB rigs with the 2t setup?
:cheers:
Nutto
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Hey Nutto I always thought yours looked alot higher than others........
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Checked my hitch height this morning and mine is just over 405mm.
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Checked my hitch height this morning and mine is just over 405mm.
Mate, that's just too low - get up on the limit... ;D ;D
Might as well have 22' wheels & pimp it good.....hehehe ;D ;D ;D
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ill check it out tonight as well.
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Mate, that's just too low - get up on the limit... ;D ;D
Might as well have 22' wheels & pimp it good.....hehehe ;D ;D ;D
Yep, might as well. ;D ;D ;D
Go the low rider....hehehehe 8)
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Nutto do you need a milk crate to climb into the Hawk? Or are you looking at the extra step modification ;D
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Nutto do you need a milk crate to climb into the Hawk? Or are you looking at the extra step modification ;D
It's a bit of a struggle, I tell ya ;D - might have to get teabags bottom step of him to add to mine - his is nearly on the ground anyway.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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It's a bit of a struggle, I tell ya ;D - might have to get teabags bottom step of him to add to mine - his is nearly on the ground anyway.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Your safe, they can't stack shyt that high....... ;D
PS: TIC
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;D ;D
Thanks for the entertainment fellas
This is Gold
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Your safe, they can't stack shyt that high....... ;D
PS: TIC
Hehehe... 55mm mate, 55mm... that's this much lower |.......................................| :'( ;D Ya don't really need that bottom step.... >:D
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Nutto you could always dig holes and sit the tyres in there so you need the bottom step ;D
Also as you might remember I once owned a N/A 01 Hilux. I was wondering you encounter skateboard style speed wobbles with the amount of power the hilux puts out with the Jayco that high. ;D
Rich
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Rich,
Dammn wobbles - sh#t yeah - don't even go there.... >:( such is the acceleration awesomeness of the lux, I'm finding that I frequently operate outside the speed rating on the 'awesomeless' std issue GT radial A/T's on the hawk, thereby, getting the dreaded death wobble. Thankfully, i have enough power in reserve to accerate more to pull the wobble straight, but this is bloody risky, as by this time, the tyres are screaming 'enough enough, you sic hilux'!!!
I'm gunna need z rated tyres - it's the only answer.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Damm that lux is sic....... >:D I don't know how you managed with your 01 model, as that is EFI, unlike my mechanical injected firebreather, so you had 3 more out-of-control kw's to manage.....you must have had a hell time with that thing >:D >:D ;D ;D ;D
Anyway, back to Teabags lowrider hawk - lad's been through a few tissues... :'( :'( ;D ;D
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So, my Jayco Hawk (so called Outback) is really a fully sick low riding chick magnet....... 8).......Soon, I will be way too sexy for this place....... 8).......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YUXIKrOFk
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I wonder if I can get the Low Riding Jayco to do this........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlD1KgfHGXs&feature=fvst
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Checked my hitch height this morning and mine is just over 405mm.
Just checked mine as well and its exactly the same, just over 405mm with 15" wheels.
The easiest way is to get some more height is change the tyres to 31x10.5R15
Current tyres 235/75R15 are 733mm overall diameter.
and the 31's are 775mm.
A difference of 42mm which we need to half so that will give us 21mm extra height which will still leave us about an inch shorter than Nutto 8)
Story of my life ;D
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Just checked mine as well and its exactly the same, just over 405mm with 15" wheels.
The easiest way is to get some more height is change the tyres to 31x10.5R15
Current tyres 235/75R15 are 733mm overall diameter.
and the 31's are 775mm.
A difference of 42mm which we need to half so that will give us 21mm extra height which will still leave us about an inch shorter than Nutto 8)
Story of my life ;D
Cool, you can join me in the low riding so called Outback club...... ;D
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Cool, you can join me in the low riding so called Outback club...... ;D
;D Trendsetters we are.
I couldve done with the extra height crossing the howqua river at Bindaree last weekend i tell ya, i nearly took the spare off. The only thing that saved it was the Myswag wheel cover :cheers:
So TB if you knew going 2t axle would give you 55mm less height before you ordered it, which way wouldve you gone?
Cheers
BD
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;D Trendsetters we are.
I couldve done with the extra height crossing the howqua river at Bindaree last weekend i tell ya, i nearly took the spare off. The only thing that saved it was the Myswag wheel cover :cheers:
Cheers
BD
And that a certain trailer had also cleared the way ;D
Even my daughter asked how Captain Crunch was doing today
GG
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;D Trendsetters we are.
I couldve done with the extra height crossing the howqua river at Bindaree last weekend i tell ya, i nearly took the spare off. The only thing that saved it was the Myswag wheel cover :cheers:
So TB if you knew going 2t axle would give you 55mm less height before you ordered it, which way wouldve you gone?
Cheers
BD
I would not have ordered that extra water tank or gas bottle......but hey, still does the job but would have loved it be a true Outback height.
PS: mine was measured with water tanks and camper empty of any personal gear.......
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I would not have ordered that extra water tank or gas bottle......but hey, still does the job but would have loved it be a true Outback height.
PS: mine was measured with water tanks and camper empty of any personal gear.......
Same here. A couple of Jerry cans of water and jobs done.
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And that a certain trailer had also cleared the way ;D
Even my daughter asked how Captain Crunch was doing today
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Yes you got that right Garrick :cheers:
Cleared the way like a dredge and left a nice beacon to navigate through.....
(http://myswag.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11613.0;attach=29655;image)
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Great read :cup: :cup:
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I would not have ordered that extra water tank or gas bottle......but hey, still does the job but would have loved it be a true Outback height.
Its a caravan............deal with it ;D ;D ;D
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Its a caravan............deal with it ;D ;D ;D
I've dealt with it and all the more comfortable for it....... ;D
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Yo, TBag wid da pimpin low ridin chick magnet, ya need to update ya signature text....
outback 2t axle pimpin lowrider
Fully sick 8) 8)
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Yo, TBag wid da pimpin low ridin chick magnet, ya need to update ya signature text....
outback 2t axle pimpin lowrider
Fully sick 8) 8)
Wasup, you dissin my ride bro......Might have to put a cap in your ass..... >:D
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Well homies I was down at my Jayco dealer on Friday picking up my Expanda after getting a little work done. I walked around sticking my head under some campers and Expandas checking out there axles.
There were axles under slung and over slung everywhere depending on configuration. So I asked the question what to GO.
I was told this; 2t axles on camper trailers are under slung. I then asked why has the 2011 mdl Expandas have over slung axles (mine doesnt 2010) he said that they are forever changing things slightly during the production year.
The standard axles on the camper trailer (Outback) are generally over slung. They wont over slung axles on onroad models any more.
Flamingo and Swan nearly all are underslung because they have 2T axles.
I think this is what they said ;D ;D I dont think they knew the exact reason but I gave them someting to think about.
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Cruza driver, cheers. When mines comes out of warranty I will be spring over the suspension to gain extra height. I know I have at least 55mm to play with.......If I go over, so be it..... :cheers:
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Cruza Driver your kinda on the right track... but other way around lol. 2t axles are straight so cannot be underslung so packers are added to bring the height back up to standard Outback height (on Campers). All Campers on a 1600kg axle will be underslung as they are an overlay axle not a straight.
Pop tops and Caravans will differ slighting depending on the size/options fitted/weight of the unit/spring setup/tyre type etc. There will be many combinations and will vary from model to model. Customers are wanting more and more options so Jayco would be allowing for this in their axles and braking capacities.
However as i said before the coupling height no matter what the spring/axle setup must not exceed 460mm from the ground to the center of the coupling as this is a legal requirement.
Unfortunately your Dealer doesn't seem to know alot about the setup types and why they are the way they are.
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Im still waiting for my dealer to call me back a week later........
Not too fussed because i now know the answer, but i suspect they are still trying to get their head around it ???
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They mentioned about the different axles but they thought they were all straight now.
As for the Dealer not knowing what I was talking about I think they hadn;t been asked this before by the way they answered my questions.
Oh well my old Hawk '07 mdl was over slung so all was good there ;D
Thanks cdboi84 :cheers: :cheers:
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No probs... trying to spit it out in away it makes sense lol :cheers:
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Far enough but why can one Outback be at the 460mm and another at 405mm which is a 2in difference? IMO all Outbacks should be set at the same hitch height or at least as close as practical to it.
PS: Yes, mine was measured empty. ;D
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I wish i had an answer for you mate :-[
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I wish i had an answer for you mate :-[
Cheers, thanks for your explanation and honesty. ;D
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Cheers, thanks for your explanation and honesty. ;D
yep thanks for helping answer any questions it's much appreciated
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getting back on topic....
here is the suspension/axle setup on my hawk....
(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o332/TheFlyingBadger/Public/MySwag/IMG_0003.jpg)
(http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o332/TheFlyingBadger/Public/MySwag/IMG_0001.jpg)
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That's a funny place to keep your Woolies card :laugh:
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That's a funny place to keep your Woolies card :laugh:
everyone's a bloody comedian. I couldn't be @rsed getting up to get a tape measure to measure the axle size...:D
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I just noticed on Black Diamond's compliance plate that although the axle was rated to 2,000 kg, the ATM was only plated to 1,656kg. This may be a silly question but why isn't the ATM plated to 2,000kg?
Cheers, Rob