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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Wortho on January 18, 2011, 08:03:30 PM
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Hi,
I was travelling westbound on the M2 in Sydney on the way to pick up the new CT, I was charged $2.20. On the return Eastbound trip I had the CT in tow and was charged $7.10. This is the class 4 rate that I thought was only for trucks so I sent an email to Roam express who replied asking if the CT was over 2 metres tall, i advised it is only 1.8metres but the tow vehicle has a rooftop tent on the roof that makes it over 2 metres. I explained this but they never replied and the $7.10 charge still applies. Has anyone else had similar issues when towing a CT through the toll plaza's?
Update; Roam finally replied and asked if I could possibly lower the roof rack to below 2 metres, well that means we would have to take the rooftop tent off which is not possible when the in-laws are using the trailer. I then rang the RTA who provided the etag and they said no problem we will instruct Roam to adjust the charge.
So it looks like I have to go through this hassle every time now, I think I will leave the etag at home and let them take a photo next time so at least they can see it is a car and trailer and not a HGV.
Cheers
Mark
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I have had this from time to time. I argued successfully that I had been charged the standard rate on many occasions, and so the higher charge was a system error on their part.
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Not here in Qld ... CT is still free.
This from the GoVia website (https://www.govia.com.au/via/home/About+go+via/Toll+costs+by+tolling+point/): Cars Class 2: Four-wheeled motor vehicles, including taxis which are not commercial vehicles (including vehicles towing a trailer or caravan). Click on the link to see how they work out the charges here in Soggy Qld, and then I'd check how it works in the state you were driving (like Qld, but not drunken).
Kit_e
P.S. Roam Express says to "see your toll company" about the charges. Is it done by the Gov as well?
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Good thread as i was thinking the same thing the other day on the Eastlink, be interesting to see when the bill arrives at the end of the month and i will add my bit then.
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The operators of the M2 have a stronger desire to make money than most, for example, if you attend a meeting at their office next to the toll plaza the only way you can access the building is to go throught the toll gates. However, the building's car park EXIT, boom gate controlled, comes out BEFORE the toll gates meaning that for every meeting I attended they got 3 lots of toll charges from me....
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No tolls in Adelaide to worry about, NO decent roads either ??? ???
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No tolls in Adelaide to worry about, NO decent roads either ??? ???
No decent roads in Qld but they still charge us tolls....and do.t get charged if towing a trailer incl CT
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I know we had to give the CT rego number to GoVia when we applied for our tag but never been through a Toll with the CT so unsure if we get charged or not?
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HHHMMM towed the Panda up and down the M7 and M2 recently so will be checking my next toll statement.
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The operators of the M2 have a stronger desire to make money than most, for example, if you attend a meeting at their office next to the toll plaza the only way you can access the building is to go throught the toll gates. However, the building's car park EXIT, boom gate controlled, comes out BEFORE the toll gates meaning that for every meeting I attended they got 3 lots of toll charges from me....
I don't get the M2. It is one of the most choked roads in Sydney (if not the). From 7am to 930am or so every week day it is an absolute car park. I used to use it often, Kellyville to Botany everyday. Took years off my life.
Man I don't miss tolls. I was doing $350 per month on them.
I get hammered for the boat when I go through a toll. It's such an effort to drop the canopy that I would rather get fleeced the extra couple dollars. :-[ No issues with the camper yet. But I might try the Big Jules angle when I am bored one day. ;D
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Hi,
I was travelling westbound on the M2 in Sydney on the way to pick up the new CT, I was charged $2.20. On the return Eastbound trip I had the CT in tow and was charged $7.10. This is the class 4 rate that I thought was only for trucks so I sent an email to Roam express who replied asking if the CT was over 2 metres tall, i advised it is only 1.8metres but the tow vehicle has a rooftop tent on the roof that makes it over 2 metres. I explained this but they never replied and the $7.10 charge still applies. Has anyone else had similar issues when towing a CT through the toll plaza's?
Cheers
Mark
Because they work out the hight by a light beam & the amount of axels by a pressure pad, If you are over a certain hight and have a combernation of three axels or more they will just think it is a car/caravan combo or a truck. I would be ringing again and find someone who's in charge and see how you go.
Cheers Dave.
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Hi Rescue1,
Anytime I have needed to go the office at the M2 toll booths, I have asked for a 'ticket' to get through the booths.
I didn't use the M2 to get there, and get off at the Mac Uni ramp. No problems as long as you don't use the M2.
John.
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hahahaha !!!
Apparently my CT went for a drive down the M7 all by itself. For this privilege it needs to pay $1.13 plus $15.00 admin, transfer and now a "2nd query" fee.
I don't think Roam liked my response, maybe my CT was chasing after my car as it didn't want to be left alone in SW Sydney, if they check their records my car was about 0.25 seconds in front of it :laugh:
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hahahaha !!!
Apparently my CT went for a drive down the M7 all by itself. For this privilege it needs to pay $1.13 plus $15.00 admin, transfer and now a "2nd query" fee.
I don't think Roam liked my response, maybe my CT was chasing after my car as it didn't want to be left alone in SW Sydney, if they check their records my car was about 0.25 seconds in front of it :laugh:
Haha...
I leave my etag at home now and they are forced to take a picture and look up the trailer rego, so far they have not mistaken it for a 40 ton truck like they did when I carried the tag.
I have added the trailer rego to my account online though so they don't charge me admin fee's for chasing the number up.
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Black Diamond
I will ask my daughter, she works at the call centre for Eastlink.
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Have you thought of taking the wheels of the car...that will lower the height and then you won't have a toll issue..having said that I have towed CT and trailer through tools atoms Brisbane with no issues
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a few years ago I had removed my tag for a comp and forgot to replace it. I had to drive up to the pay booth. With a straight face they quoted me the truck fee. I asked to repeat the price, they did. I laughed and said for a Suzuki, not a Kenworth. Was told yes thats right. Ok get the manager.....(wow they have tunnels) he too asked if I would lower the car to save the confusion....lmao OK I'll do that
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SMH what a ripoff. So glad I don't live in Brisbane anymore. I do recall anxiously raiding the ash tray trying to find 40 cents to pay the toll on the Logan motorway. How times have changed.
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I don't use the tag anymore..........
I just added the rego number to the account.
They take the photo and bill the account.
I got sick of fighting every week because my ladders on the roof sometimes triggered a truck charge.
I would have thought that this was a regular problem and they would look into it, but it appears that until it starts costing THEM money.......alls good.
Besturds.
Oh and by the way. What was the 3 x 3 fuel levy for???
God now I've started.........SORRY.
I'm leaving. bed time anyway.....
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I have a NSW eTag and left it at home when I traveled through Brisbane on my way to Fraser island, not thinking that I would need it. So I thought I would do the right thing & rang the QLD toll company to pay the toll fee straight away as per the signs along the hwy saying you have 48hrs to pay.
Then when I got home & received my next statement, they also kindly charged the eTag as well for my trip up north >:( >:( RUDE!!
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Your toll tags work Australia wide ... as advertised on their website here in Qld.
Kit_e
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Whats a Toll Road???????? >:D >:D >:D
dont have them in Tassie
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Stuff your tolls, don't have them here and hopefully never will. Perth freeways are a carpark at peek times like most cities I guess . Tolls sound like a reason to print money, what a rip off. We pay enough taxes now. Who voted the idiots in that brought about this extortion.
End of rant
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Only expienced a toll road for the first time last year. I must say its something I'm glad Perth doesnt have. I've worked with a guy who flatty refused to drive on a toll road out of princapal, but then again he is one of the most stuborn persons I know ;D
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Nothing wrong with toll roads as long as you get some advantage for your money. I drive from Brisbane to Canley Vale in Sydney on occasions and always use the toll roads in preference to fighting my way from the end of the F3 round the north-west suburbs (when are they going to fix Pennant Hills Road?). Here in Brisbane the new Airport Link tunnel (toll free until 22nd August) cuts 10 minutes and about 14 sets of traffic lights off my journey to and from work. Driving from Tullamarine to Dandenong is much quicker and easier since the toll roads opened.
You pays yer money and you makes yer choice. If the cost isn't worth the time and stress saved you don't use it - a classic example of that is the Clem7 cross-river tunnel in Brisbane.
Whether I will pay the Airport Link tolls on a daily basis is still under consideration, but I certainly use toll roads when I have the trailer hitched on. And I've never been charged for the trailer.
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or the government could just build the goddamn roads out of your taxes and then you dont get extorted for the next 50 years????? in w.a we have nice freeways and highways built criss crossing perth that a re just as parking lot as the lnes you have in sydney in peak times - but we dont have to pay for the privilege
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Whats a Toll Road???????? >:D >:D >:D
dont have them in Tassie
same here, no tolls in WA.
and *excellent* roads. shame about the drivers
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WA
Population 2.4M
Mining Royalty income $4.9 billion
Income per capita $2,000
QLD
Population 4.5M
Mining Royalty income $3.4 billion
Income per capita $755
Which may be one reason why the roads in WA are free and the roads in Queensland have tolls. And the whole point of our toll roads is that they aren't parking lots - that's why we pay to use them. Can't say the same for Sydney and Melbourne though - but the alternatives are even worse!
Population data from 2012 census, mining royalty data from 2012 State Budgets
Edited to correct wrong data
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area of western australia - 1/3rd of the australian continent
federal funding for western australia - negligible
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I did a trip to Geelong last year and encountered 3 sets of traffic lights between home and the outskirts of Geelong 2 sets getting onto the M7 and the 3rd at Holbrook. The Sydney motorways have reduced my travel time dramatically, but, I'm usually travelling against the traffic...
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WA
Population 2.4M
Mining Royalty income $4.9 billion
Income per capita $2,000
QLD
Population 4.5M
Mining Royalty income $3.4 billion
Income per capita $755
Which may be one reason why the roads in WA are free and the roads in Queensland have tolls. And the whole point of our toll roads is that they aren't parking lots - that's why we pay to use them. Can't say the same for Sydney and Melbourne though - but the alternatives are even worse!
Population data from 2012 census, mining royalty data from 2012 State Budgets
Edited to correct wrong data
How long have the toll roads over there been in place? I bet it was long before the mining boom and the quoted income per capita that WA has.
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How long have the toll roads over there been in place? I bet it was long before the mining boom and the quoted income per capita that WA has.
From Wikipedia: The original bridge (formerly named the Gateway Bridge) was opened on 11 January 1986 and cost A$140 million to build.[1] The duplicate bridge was opened in May 2010.
And this from Qld Motorways: In August 1987, four separate contracts were awarded to complete different sections of the motorway. Construction of the motorway commenced on 1 October 1987. In 1997 the Logan Motorway was upgraded to four lanes (two each way) and the Gateway Extension was constructed. The Paradise Road Interchange was constructed in 2007 with two additional toll plazas being added onto the Logan Motorway Network. These toll plazas were later replaced with overhead tolling gantries as part of the introduction of free-flow tolling.
So as you can see, Qld's 5 tolls have been here for quite a while.
Kit_e
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at the end of the day you eastern staters, instead of spending 100xxx in tax to buy something and then 20xxx a year to maintain it. think that spending nothing to build it but 50xxx a year to use it is a good deal
the companies who run it think its an excellent deal and as such hire previous politicians on extravagant pay rates to ensure it continues
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at the end of the day you eastern staters, instead of spending 100xxx in tax to buy something and then 20xxx a year to maintain it. think that spending nothing to build it but 50xxx a year to use it is a good deal
I don't think it has much to do with me (personally) at all as I prefer the buy something decent and have very litte upkeep version.
If the people constructing our major cities actually had brains and made "by-passes" to get around them rather than a meandering series of stop lights and tight corners to get through them ... there would be no place for toll roads ... period.
Here in Brisvegas, things are made much worse by the lack of infrastructure for getting over the river. Everyone must cross the river to get to the other side (ha ha), but we only have a few places we may actually do so in a vehicle ... all of which are now seriously clogged with traffic and no politician who really gives too hoots about it.
We have only one major road to get over the river without passing through the city. And it's a troll bridge. The only other way around the city (and not use said troll road) is via Wivenhoe (a 3 hour diversion on a very badly maintained country road) but it is the Brisbane Valley scenic option. When running a business, I'm sure you'll agree they don't use the second option here.
Kit_e
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I feel I pay enough taxes - income tax, fuel tax and associated regos etc... (as does every one else who drives) for the govt to build and maintain roads, not palm it of to some private company to build and charge everyone for the next thousand years.